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HellAtlantic

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Rode solo to a new bar. Had a $15 gift card to this place, was gonna go to either this place or some other dive bar where I knew the bartender who is hot but I stay away from bartenders cuz they can just be friendly for the tip. I walk in and immediately see a woman who I recognize from the complex where I work. Maybe she saw me maybe she didn't, I aloofly go to the bar and get to ordering. My back is to her, she's at a table with two other women. I turn around every once in a while and because there was TVs everywhere I was watching a little bit of everything and it looked like I was just enjoying myself and not necessarily catching a peek at her table every once in a while which was exactly what I was doing. After drinking 4 or so beers I turn around once again and this time we catch each other looking at each other and she says "hey don't you work at XXX location?".

Flame on.

I walk over and it begins. I approach from the opposite end of the table from her so that she was furthest from me. I engage all three girls by myself and really there's no better way to harden yourself and feel like a warrior than to talk to 3 girls by yourself. You have to have charm and a personality to keep all 3 engaged. It doesn't hurt to look good. Let's continue. Despite talking to all three it becomes very apparent which one I'm focusing on - the woman who recognized me from my work bldg. I always thought she didn't like me but dammit her titties were big. She herself was about a 6ish but the titties bumped her to like a 6.8.

Fast forward about 1 hour. She says she's going to go outside for a cigarette. I don't smoke. Quite the conundrum it would appear.

Sidebar: What I've learned from GC...this is an escalation window. She was looking to be isolated from her friends. I wouldn't have picked up on this had I not been for GC.

So I go outside with her. The only place to smoke is beside the entrance which for some reason is in the back where the parking lot also is.

She's smoking a cigarette. We're chatting. It's cold. We live in NY and it's chilly and the blizzard is not too far away. Heavy eye contact on my part. I'm waiting for a good opportunity but none seems to be there. She's finished with her cigarette and starts to motion for us to go in and I decide I didn't read GC all this time to not capitalize on everything I've learned. I pull her in by the waist and go for the kiss. She puts up a resistance. "You're married...I can't."

Sidebar: What I learned from GC...Don't use logic on a girl which only engages their rational brain. Girls like mystery in a guy so use path of least effort and keep them guessing by not saying more than is needed. Less words is always best. And the big lesson - even if she says no if she isn't leaving then it's a shit test to see how strong your frame is.

I nod my head in agreement and give a sexy smile. "Um-hmmm."

"Um-hmmm...? That's all you have to say?"

Funny thing is she's saying this and isn't trying to get out of my arms and I'm not even holding her that strong so if she wanted to leave she easily could.

"If you want to go inside then go", I say in a sexy deep voice.

"I will", she says with a smile she's trying to conceal.

"Then go," as my arms tighten around her. I go for the kiss again and this time we make out. Ppl are passing us to get inside. "Aren't you embarrassed to have all these ppl seeing us ?" she asks. I look her in the eyes and kiss her harder and grab her ass in both hands and let ppl watch. I'm an exhibitionist so I get more turned on by being watched anyway.

She says nothing can happen cuz I'm married. "If I didn't know you were married it'd be a different story. You look so good but I just can't." She says for us to rejoin her friends cuz they were celebrating her friend's birthday and she didn't want to be rude.

We rejoin and I act totally and completely cool and chill and sit next to her.

Sidebar: What I learned from GC...when rejected don't take it personal. Take it in stride and be chill about it.

"You're being really cool about outside, you're not acting weird or anything", she says quietly to me.

I tell her about how we got to make out so it wasn't a total loss.

"You think that was making out?", she says with a sexy look, "i can make it much hotter than that, we were outside...in front of ppl".

Still in the game.

Eventually we go out for a second time and make out more, this time more passionately. Lots of fun. I get more hands on. No resistance from her at all the second time. I mention for us to go to her car to listen to music (I don't drink and drive anymore so I didn't have my car). She says "it's not going to happen. We're not going to have sex".

"Um-hmmm".

"There goes that 'Um-hmmm' again!"

We go inside, that's when we deep dive a lot. She's very non-judgmental about my relationship and why I'm looking for sexual attention outside of it. Anyway, outside again for one last cigarette and before its time to say goodbye.

Outside we're back to making out again. "Let's go to your car", I say. "We're not going to have sex, you're married", she passively says back. She can't even look me in the eyes to say this because she's unsure of it.

Sidebar: What I learned from GC...just lead. Always be leading. They'll follow."

"We're going to your car", I tell her and I put my hand on the small of her back and we walk to her car.

Long story short we didn't wind up having sex. I got as far as my shirt off and her bra off her sexy fucking titties. In the backseat. Every time she gave me resistance from trying to rub between her legs she's move my hand out of the way so I'd go touch something else. Rinse and repeat. At every resistence I would make out with her passionately to shut her up. Everytime she would mention my being married i would go back to kissing her. She kept saying she was going to lose control so I took that as an invitation to keep going but she just couldn't get past it. I then pause and say "listen if you don't want to do it then I'll stop. I don't want to stop. I want you so bad right now (I really forgot to use the phrase someone made famous here, "I want you to come so hard on my dick", such a hot line but hey you have to be in the moment and can't remember everything you read), I want to fuck but if I keep going and if you don't really want to do it then something awkward might happen (i.e., possible rape cuz in the end no means no, boys) and I'd rather we remember tonite as a fun nite." She agreed and we made out some more and then put our shirts on. I call an Uber and tell her I'd hang with her till it arrived. We fluff talk.

I texted her next day jokingly commending her for her willpower and tell her I'll see her around. Next time I text her will be whenever I'm riding solo again and want some company. Maybe in a week or two. I will make sure things go as I want next time. Gonna get that car sex next time.

Anyway I did this more to show that GC and Chase have a wealth of information *that works*. This isn't theory, boys, it works. Read reports and articles, keep doing it till it becomes second nature. Good luck to you.
 
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HellAtlantic

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I think ultimately why sex didn't happen tho, is because she might not have wanted car sex (it was only 12am and the lot still had activity in it) and she was hinting that she lived only 5 minutes away. Ugh, escalation window missed. However I mentioned to her earlier it'd have to be in a car if I ever were to cheat because my wife has Find My iPhone and we can see where each other are. She'd never suspect anything with car sex because the app would show me still at the bar. Also the snow had started coming down - again the blizzard was coming - so we probably should've been getting out of there. She offered to drive me home twice but I thought it'd ruin my manly frame to have her drive me home. She might've been suggesting for us to just get out of the parking lot. I had said I didn't want her to drive home alone in a blizzard (I live 30 min away from the bar). There's attraction here so I don't think this was a one time chance I blew, she completely accepted and bought into my frame as a sexual man. I'm married so I'm automatically disqualified as a BF.
 

Big Daddy

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The Find my iPhone situation fucks everything up, but why would you refuse that much investment from her? I'd be fucking annoyed to be driven around by women too until I realized that this was just silly. I think that Chase mentioning that women would drive him around helped with that too.
 

HellAtlantic

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BD: that's an interesting point you make about her being invested enough to offer me a ride home. My feeling in that moment was because she spent a large portion of the nite complimenting me and how manly I was (I'm not trying to fluff myself up here so please bear with me), and mentioned that her ex husband of 4 yr's was too weak and a Nice Guy that after their honeymoon she stopped giving him sex as she lost all interest in him almost immediately- with that in mind I felt it'd be showing too much "weakness" to accept the ride. I felt more in control saying "I'll find my own way home." And again the blizzard (I think the name is Blizzard Jonas?) was just starting so even tho I wanted to fuck so badly and I had just met her we really clicked and had a nice thing going so in that moment I also didn't think it'd be a good idea to go so far out of her way and drive all the way home in increasingly bad weather. I'm not a selfish monster.

Also as far as logistics go I felt the parking lot we were in was best, if we drove off together I wouldn't have known of an optimal place to pull over (this is NY, not some rural isolated town).

Find My iPhone is horrible haha. That having been said I think the best way around it for me is this - I'd have to hide my phone somewhere in the parking lot and go to this woman's place (she said a few times she's only 5 minutes away), watch Netflix or whatever the kids call it these days and then afterwards have her drive me back to the parking lot. She seemed ultra understanding and cool and I think she'd understand the need for these steps.

She was telling me I could have my pick of any girl in the whole bldg complex, I made it a point to talk about some of the girls I'm interested in just so she would understand that this isn't going to be a case of a guy leaving his wife for her, that I'm interested in lots of girls. I think it helped heighten the sense of "I think this guy is hot and he could get any girl her wants and here he is with me". I also think the fact that I showed I have no problem going out solo (she loved my reasoning behind it) and she said she stays home alone a lot - it might be very easy to reach out to her every once in a while with a "hey I'm out alone, if you're home alone why don't you just come out for a few drinks and we'll be lonely together" text.
 

HellAtlantic

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But again, this report was written for all the guys on the fence about red pill and game and GC - I really wanted to show that I was one of you guys and if it weren't for this site and the community here of ppl sharing their stories and experiences and reports no one would ever get better. Once you have your first success story - and success for you can be anything, it can be getting the balls to approach your first hot girl, getting like 20 numbers in a weekend, pushing thru LMR, the easy lay, anything because success is all relative - once you get it you will have a literal "a ha!!" moment, it all starts to click and your face will lighten up where you realize you've read about this situation before at GC or Chase or whichever expert and you know what's going on and how to handle yourself and handle the situation. This stuff works. Keep at it if you're doubting yourself.

Work on your inner game and how you present yourself to the world. This woman mentioned there was a lot of good looking guys at the bldg where we work but they all have a sleezy/creepy vibe and I stand out the most because of how I carry myself. How I carry myself is I work out 4-5x a week, make sure I'm dressed in nice clothes, make direct eye contact with every female and don't break contact until they look away first and I'm mindful to have a manly walk and good posture. This is the stuff that is preached here constantly and the good thing for you is everything I mentioned is within your control.

In the words of Brad Pitt as Achilles in the movie Troy: "Immortality...it's yours. Take it."
 

ray_zorse

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Hey mate this is very good, I had not noticed this report until you mentioned it in your other thread. You seem to have a pretty good idea what you are doing right and where you could improve for next time, so my only comments would be that it's awesome to see some concrete results, also I think there was probably no need to tell her you were married since it was basically a cold-approach scenario (notwithstanding that she works in your building, but that's basically a public place and so I do not think it counts as social circle). It would probably be better to wait until after you have laid her before revealing anything that could potentially hurt your chances, although in this case it may have given you relatability since it sounds like she's in essentially the same boat as you. What I would suggest is to get some tungsten rings, that is what I wear and they are totally awesome, never get scratched (my wedding ring was white gold and got scratched and dinged to fuck within months and looked terrible), and nobody can really tell if it's a wedding band or just a decorative item. When asked if you are married deflect the question with a joke "I have 17 wives but I can only fit 3 or 4 rings on each hand" or similar. You can swap out your wedding band for the tungsten before you go cruising. Also, I think your iPhone is overdue for some droppage ;) Maybe treat yourself to an Android model ;) Happy hunting, this is a wonderful reference point ;) cheers
Ray
 

HellAtlantic

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Thanks for your seal of approval! it certainty means a lot to hear an expert here give his thumbs up.

Since this report was written I reached out to the girl a week later like I said I would mentioning I was gonna be at the same bar. I received a text from here "oh ok lol" (I hate it when ppl throw in random haha's or lol's for no reason). She never showed up. I was going to the bar for drinks with coworkers so it wasn't a case of me going out of my way. She never showed up and I never sent a needy "hey are you coming?". On the ride home I deleted her number from my phone, didn't want to risk contacting her again from a needy frame, I rather be the cool guy she almost got banged by than tarnish that image she has of me and wind up looking like a needy loser. I reached out to her because I have unfinished business with her not because I want to be her friend and if nothing is gonna happen then no need keep in a ton of girls numbers on my phone. I'm not a single guy so I don't need validation by having hundreds of female #'s. I was ready to tear into her that night. I thought about her big tits that entire day. Oh well. She still has my # if she wants to meet up again but I certainly won't be contacting her.

You are 100% correct about the reference point Ray Z. Here is the reference point I have out of this encounter: I think she wanted it as badly as me and wanted me to really go over the top with aggressive moves. I was content to show my aggression through my persistence and overcoming each roadblock she put up but I think she wanted, in hindsight, for me to just disregard what she was saying and physically dominate her (tear off her clothes and pin her down kinda stuff). Because I don't do this all the time (I have to screen for discreteness and craziness cuz I can't have a girl doing something silly to jeopardize my relationship) I wasn't as calibrated as I could've been and stopped after like her 9th or 10th LMR. After a while I was losing stimulation and excitement from all the starting and stopping and restarting and having to go back to a previous step in the escalation ladder. Next time I will amp up the aggression and keep going until I hear a definitive "no! Stop!".
 

ray_zorse

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Yeah, well there are times they just fixate on something and keep going on and on about it until it gets uber annoying, in this case her LMR about your being married, and I have treated these cases as a lost cause as it generally means you fucked up earlier or she's just plain weird. So I would not be beating myself up over this. However, this,
"listen if you don't want to do it then I'll stop. I don't want to stop. I want you so bad right now (I really forgot to use the phrase someone made famous here, "I want you to come so hard on my dick", such a hot line but hey you have to be in the moment and can't remember everything you read), I want to fuck but if I keep going and if you don't really want to do it then something awkward might happen (i.e., possible rape cuz in the end no means no, boys) and I'd rather we remember tonite as a fun nite."
was not the right move IMO, I think we discussed this earlier (you referred to it as "addressing the elephant in the room" whereas I recommended paying more attention to "frame control") and the problem is it actually plants bad ideas in her mind when they weren't there before. Women are water, if you teased her "I think you are going to eat my face off!" (a chase frame) and chuckled a bit, "haha you know you want it bad" her thought would be "oh!... yeah, I guess I am!... yeah I want it!" whereas, with any kind of negativity her thought would be "oh!... yeah, I guess it is getting a bit rapey! oh no!". It's all in your demeanor / dismissing frames instead of fighting them.

As to her behaviour later, this is 100% standard and predictable, the closer you got to sex the more it looks to her like "OMG dodged a bullet there, can't believe I actually liked that guy", which is her subconscious reaction to your not passing her tests (the roadblocks she throws up to see if you are strong enough to dismiss them and hold your frame and navigate into her pants) and thereby losing attractiveness. Whereas if you actually did the deed she'd be thinking "OMG he is so handsome and suave, how can I get him", obviously neither viewpoint is an objective one since it all hinges on a few seconds and doesn't take into account all the things you did right and the connection you built and the time you enjoyed together, but that's chick logic, her whole perception of you, and the entire interaction, is made to fit her current emotion. Edit: Another way this can happen is if you escalated too early it can be hard to isolate because the tension is gone, she isn't thinking "OMG what is he going to dooo!! can I get this guy?! will he make a mooove!!??" and there is no challenge to her because you already played your cards, isolation=sex.

Anyway, lets not get too technical haha, it's all good sport, well played ;)

Ray
 
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