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So, focus more on noticing the positive signals and defocus on the negative signals.
Looking at women's signals as a 'glass half-full' - rather than a 'glass half-empty' like guys who are beginners/lower self-esteem.
I still think always looking for signals is a bit too passive - and very difficult for alot of guys, with a steep learning curve, from my experience.
Women are so crafty at avoiding showing interest signals, especially if she's more experienced with men and dating. I think that's the biggest difference between younger (less-experienced) women and more experienced or older women.
More experienced women become much more savvy in hiding all of their interest signals - either due to having many long-term boyfriends or marriage (where they've learned to suppress those signals towards other men, for the sake of maintaining a committed relationship) or to avoid heartbreak/rejection or appearing too easy to new men. Some women have accrued this level of experience before 19 or 20, if they're attractive enough to have had alot of male attention.
The only truly reliable way I've found to re-orient guys into actually seeing women's interest is through compliance/investment from women. Telling guys to only see the positive signals, even when I point them out repeatedly, doesn't usually work to help or encourage men of a woman's interest (due to the above - women are craftily hiding their interest) unfortunately.
Additionally, those signals are easier to see by a third-party observer - it's much more difficult for women to hide their signals from everyone and much easier to hide them from the man she's interested in because she's so focused on him, as opposed to a random onlooker she's unaware of.
For example; I see women looking at a student (or my friend) and as soon as he looks back at her, she anticipates him seeing her, she turns away before being discovered. She's turned towards him, watching him, open body language, etc.
I've seen this a thousand times.
This is the 'Bootcamp Effect', as I call it: you go out "infield" with these guys and you point out attractive women for them to approach (which he would never have seen on his own) and women giving him signals.
Then once in he approaches, tell him the signals being observed by the seduction coach from a distance (that the student may not see or be focusing on, his focus is usually elsewhere).
After the bootcamp is finished and he goes back to where he lives, none of these third-party observations are available to him - having a second or third set of eyes to see attractive women outside his peripherals or awareness or simply any women giving him signals at any time - is a very under-rated amount of help for a man in seduction.
A good wing (or friend) can help with this - but often other guys are usually under-informed about women's signals or too focused elsewhere to see these signals and they can't be with you to help all the time.
Once guys re-orient themselves to pro-actively focusing on compliance/investment (or lack thereof) - it's like a domino effect for noticing other additional signals that are helpful in a secondary way, rather than many small (and sometimes difficult to observe) signals being solely relied on.
Looking at women's signals as a 'glass half-full' - rather than a 'glass half-empty' like guys who are beginners/lower self-esteem.
I still think always looking for signals is a bit too passive - and very difficult for alot of guys, with a steep learning curve, from my experience.
Women are so crafty at avoiding showing interest signals, especially if she's more experienced with men and dating. I think that's the biggest difference between younger (less-experienced) women and more experienced or older women.
More experienced women become much more savvy in hiding all of their interest signals - either due to having many long-term boyfriends or marriage (where they've learned to suppress those signals towards other men, for the sake of maintaining a committed relationship) or to avoid heartbreak/rejection or appearing too easy to new men. Some women have accrued this level of experience before 19 or 20, if they're attractive enough to have had alot of male attention.
The only truly reliable way I've found to re-orient guys into actually seeing women's interest is through compliance/investment from women. Telling guys to only see the positive signals, even when I point them out repeatedly, doesn't usually work to help or encourage men of a woman's interest (due to the above - women are craftily hiding their interest) unfortunately.
Additionally, those signals are easier to see by a third-party observer - it's much more difficult for women to hide their signals from everyone and much easier to hide them from the man she's interested in because she's so focused on him, as opposed to a random onlooker she's unaware of.
For example; I see women looking at a student (or my friend) and as soon as he looks back at her, she anticipates him seeing her, she turns away before being discovered. She's turned towards him, watching him, open body language, etc.
I've seen this a thousand times.
This is the 'Bootcamp Effect', as I call it: you go out "infield" with these guys and you point out attractive women for them to approach (which he would never have seen on his own) and women giving him signals.
Then once in he approaches, tell him the signals being observed by the seduction coach from a distance (that the student may not see or be focusing on, his focus is usually elsewhere).
After the bootcamp is finished and he goes back to where he lives, none of these third-party observations are available to him - having a second or third set of eyes to see attractive women outside his peripherals or awareness or simply any women giving him signals at any time - is a very under-rated amount of help for a man in seduction.
A good wing (or friend) can help with this - but often other guys are usually under-informed about women's signals or too focused elsewhere to see these signals and they can't be with you to help all the time.
Once guys re-orient themselves to pro-actively focusing on compliance/investment (or lack thereof) - it's like a domino effect for noticing other additional signals that are helpful in a secondary way, rather than many small (and sometimes difficult to observe) signals being solely relied on.
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