If you were to use a good looking guy's picture on Tinder to get matches and use your 'verbal game' to get her on a date, how can you do this in RL?

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@Velasco If he is in top 20% it literally is just not fucking it up. I have friends who pull like crazy on tinder. They can't pull for shit in real life but they have a lot more compliance on tinder because of their looks. The game is just different on tinder. It's just as building high compliance with verbal game - once you are extracting her it's about just not fucking it up.

I'm linking to Alek's whole series about hooking. The guy is more or less just asking how to hook in real life.
 

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@Velasco If he is in top 20% it literally is just not fucking it up.
Well this guy IS fucking it up. Having 'game' more or less prevents you from 'fucking it up' because you know what you're doing.

If you fuck it up = FU (Fuck Up) Report.
If you don't fuck it up = LR (Lay) Report.

Things like not dealing with the friends, pulling too soon, not going for the pull sooner (not noticing the escalation window), not escalating, over escalating, not giving her plausible deniability reason for bring her back home, not making her feel special, making her feel TOO special etc are all examples of fuck ups that prevented you from getting laid. but the term "don't fuck it up" is apparently a dirty word.

Just because a girl likes your looks doesn't mean it's game over. It just means there IS a game.

I know you like cooking, so lets look at this from a cooking perspective :)

First before we even getting started cooking, you decide you are gonna cook something that looks delicious/healthy, right? You are not gonna want to go to the store and buy the ingredients to make something that doesn't look appealing to you, no?

Ok now that we've made that decision, its time to cook our recipe.

As you know, some of those recipes will be super easy to make and take less than 20 minutes. Those are like almost impossible to fuck up, right?

While other recipes are more time consuming that are actually easier to fuck up because timing, temperature, too much salt, etc.

Easy or difficult, if you don't fuck up the recipe, the end result is a delicious and savory meal you get to sit down and enjoy.

I have friends who pull like crazy on tinder. They can't pull for shit in real life
The reverse is also true. There are guys that pull like crazy in real life (they know what they're doing), but 'can't pull for shit' on tinder due to bad text game (they don't know what they're doing).
 

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100% not true, i taught the 3 bounce method to a civilian that could not get laid that i work with, was spending a bunch of money getting going on dates ($60), and not getting laid... Taught it to him, lay every girl he went out with after, got a gf, got her prego... leave happily ever after... True story...

I taught another one dark seduction, save him from paying 18 years child support, i can go on and on... if you sound autistic that means you are uncalibrated to talking to a civilian...
Things like 3 bounce method and Convincing a girl to have an abortion are straight forward guides anyone whose never read anything on PUA and has no interest in ever becoming a PUA can read once and implement. (Coffee Shop->nearby Bar->Park near sex location.....increasing the flirting at each bounce location->Home. Tell her you want to settle down->Having a child right now is obstacle to that->Abortion->Dump her).

However for text game there is no straight forward guide a guy whose never read anything on PUA and has no interest in ever becoming a PUA can read once and implement. Because text game requires a lot of calibration (same as pulling girls in real life). And in order to teach someone calibration with regard to text game, it requires you sitting them down and breaking shit down to them in autistic-like detail. Which will only appeal to someone who is interested in becoming a PUA, like your student.

So it's for this reason I'd say that if, and only if, this guy were to come up to DaVinci and say, "dude can you teach me how to do this? I'll fucking pay you bro. Please?" DaVinci can get as autistic as he likes with this shit. But because he hasn't, then I don't see why DaVinci should tell his friend that he's gonna stop texting girls for him and instead sit him down and teach him how to text girls. PUA style. The only thing I'd suggest right now, is for DaVinci to maybe start thinking about other benefits he can get for helping his friend get laid.
 

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Learning game takes a while , and usually you see the benefits of it after you improve in at least several pillars .

in case of the op , maybe it makes more sense to go to escorts for the time being , till he reaches that milestone from where things start to connect naturally
 

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why do you suggest he pay thousands of dollars for something he gets for free?

because getting it for free in this case requires a lot of effort and commitment .

by the way he is framing his questions and logic , it looks like he does not really care about this journey too much ,and looks like he is looking for a magical way of getting good with girls , which does not exist .

it is not a shame to pay the bucks if you are looking only for the easiest way to get laid and you are not interested at all in self development :)
 

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because getting it for free in this case requires a lot of effort and commitment .

by the way he is framing his questions and logic , it looks like he does not really care about this journey too much ,and looks like he is looking for a magical way of getting good with girls , which does not exist .
My friend, I don't think you understand the situation correctly (but its fine because the title of this post is shit) :)

Lot of effort and commitment -> the guy getting laid here, is just handing his friend (DaVinci) his phone to text girls for him. In terms of effort, that's as little as you can get :)

and I don't see who you are referring to that is looking for a magical way of getting good with girls (the friend has no interest (at least that's what it seems), and DaVinci has been in constant communication with Alek on help with indirect game). :)
 

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Things like 3 bounce method and Convincing a girl to have an abortion are straight forward guides anyone whose never read anything on PUA and has no interest in ever becoming a PUA can read once and implement. (Coffee Shop->nearby Bar->Park near sex location.....increasing the flirting at each bounce location->Home. Tell her you want to settle down->Having a child right now is obstacle to that->Abortion->Dump her).

However for text game there is no straight forward guide a guy whose never read anything on PUA and has no interest in ever becoming a PUA can read once and implement. Because text game requires a lot of calibration (same as pulling girls in real life). And in order to teach someone calibration with regard to text game, it requires you sitting them down and breaking shit down to them in autistic-like detail. Which will only appeal to someone who is interested in becoming a PUA, like your student.

So it's for this reason I'd say that if, and only if, this guy were to come up to DaVinci and say, "dude can you teach me how to do this? I'll fucking pay you bro. Please?" DaVinci can get as autistic as he likes with this shit. But because he hasn't, then I don't see why DaVinci should tell his friend that he's gonna stop texting girls for him and instead sit him down and teach him how to text girls. PUA style. The only thing I'd suggest right now, is for DaVinci to maybe start thinking about other benefits he can get for helping his friend get laid.

^ such a ridiculous argument, 99% of pua texting guides are:

step 1: hi: this is mike from the mall

step 2: how does your schedule looks like

the end.....

this is just another silly argument, here is the point, show the dude basic stuff to do and the why? he can either do it or not, even if he starts doing it wrong he eventually get it right, if he is good looking is very small chance he is autistic, and there is little to 0 game needed... as i explained puahaters have 100000000000000000 of good looking models saying the most ridiculous crap (i don't think the op is doing anything gamy that is good in text i guarantee it)

the op decided he wants to cont. with this useless experiment...

my suspicious are the op feels some sense of seduction power, importance and control using some good looking dude or feeling important showing his "game" to his friend... which is fine... i am out of this silly discussion!
 

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and I don't see who you are referring to that is looking for a magical way of getting good with girls (the friend has no interest (at least that's what it seems), and DaVinci has been in constant communication with Alek on help with indirect game). :)

my point exactly , he is beating it around the bush thinking that one thing or another has magic powers , and by learning that he will be able to become a seducer .

the truth is that , first of all he does not feel good in his own skin. He does not feel manly , and does not understand the manly vibe .

being in contact with Alek to learn indirect game it is Super , but in his case is not sufficient .

he needs to find first his masculinity , and after that he will understand the substance of whatever his mentors will teach him
 

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my point exactly , he is beating it around the bush thinking that one thing or another has magic powers , and by learning that he will be able to become a seducer .

the truth is that , first of all he does not feel good in his own skin. He does not feel manly , and does not understand the manly vibe .

being in contact with Alek to learn indirect game it is Super , but in his case is not sufficient .

he needs to find first his masculinity , and after that he will understand the substance of whatever his mentors will teach him
you are saying indirect game = beating around the bush, unmanly, saying one thing vs something else will not make a difference in terms of outcome? ok lol :)
 

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you are saying indirect game = beating around the bush, unmanly, saying one thing vs something else will not make a difference in terms of outcome? ok lol :)

you are cherry picking what I am saying :)

I said that his posts so far are quite childish , and I do not really see any manliness in the topics he is creating . Like this one , being on tinder with someone else pictures . For me this is something that a woman would do :)

then more or less you keep his side , which is fine btw , but in the same time you kinda ignore maybe one of the smartest things chase said , which is not to talk about seduction with guys who are not interested in this topic .

in reality , what I get from this discussion is that the op is gelous on his friend because he is better looking and most likely he is getting laid more often than him , and he tries to balance this by trying to show him how seduce a girl and thus to feel superior that he knows game and the other guy is just lucky because he is good looking and if they would look the same he will be better :)

again , this is something that a woman would do

Again , he can learn from the best , and I am sure that they have a lot of cool things to teach him , but he will not progress that much without finding the manly guy within :)
 

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99% of pua texting guides are:

step 1: hi: this is mike from the mall

step 2: how does your schedule looks like

the end.....
i agree a lot of texting guides are shit :)

that's why you took the time to write this post for guys that are shit with texting girls:


however this guide is useful to those who have an interest in or are already PUAs. so they can ask questions for clarification such as:

What do you consider low and high % game?

Good stuff and thanks for bringing this topic up.

One thing, though. If I've grabbed her number and had her agree meeting up with me then and there (without hammering out the exact logistics), then going for the soft close would probably be counterproductive. A bit of fluffing and good to proceed to figuring out the logistics.
I'm not saying it's impossible to text a lot and have success...what I said is that usually it's better to not give her too much online ammunition to discard you (which is true). Too many variables, lots can go wrong, lots of time investment and you have to be on point on what you are doing charisma wise.
and that is just for clarification on your simple basic texting guide. we are not even talking about asking you "what should I respond to her text or should i respond?" "is this good" "what does this mean" - then getting into the WHY behind your decisions. this requires as i just wrote:
in order to teach someone calibration with regard to text game, it requires you sitting them down and breaking shit down to them in autistic-like detail. Which will only appeal to someone who is interested in becoming a PUA, like your student.
as i explained puahaters have 100000000000000000 of good looking models saying the most ridiculous crap (i don't think the op is doing anything gamy that is good in text i guarantee it)
Yes. That was back in 2014-15, no (you were around back then, i wasn't)? Now is 2020. And in 2020, the friend doesn't get girls with his 'game'. so he hands it to DaVinci. If texting girls online to meet were really easy then this guy would not be making comments like this
the competition is tougher online than in person, so saying that it is easier to bang someone via the internet than someone that you meet in the real life is just nonsense .

Me personally I have respect for guys who are good with internet game and pull out good looking girls , because well the game is the same , except for the approach itself :)
the op decided he wants to cont. with this useless experiment...
there is no experiment going on.....he wanted to know what is some attraction material to use to get a girl attracted to you, if you are not the girl's type. As I said you don't have to be the girl's type as you would online. Just good looking enough. (fundamentals). Then from there you have a bunch of attraction tech to amplify the attraction (teasing, pacing, etc)
 

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I still agree with what you quoted me on , and what I am saying is not changing that at all .

I am asking you only this , which you are dodging all the time .

is davinci really just trying to help a brother out because he genuinely cares about him and wants to be better with girls from the bottom of his heart , or he is trying to prove that he is actually superior than his friend , and then just say “ hey , actually I do not suck , it is just that I am not as handsome as my friend , and he is just lucky “ . The 2nd one will make him behave this way out of gelousy , which is a crazy thing to do

to me he just seems like he is gelous on his friend :)

also tone down the Scorpio power haha
 

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I still agree with what you quoted me on , and what I am saying is not changing that at all .

I am asking you only this , which you are dodging all the time .

is davinci really just trying to help a brother out because he genuinely cares about him and wants to be better with girls from the bottom of his heart , or he is trying to prove that he is actually superior than his friend , and then just say “ hey , actually I do not suck , it is just that I am not as handsome as my friend , and he is just lucky “ . The 2nd one will make him behave this way out of gelousy , which is a crazy thing to do

to me he just seems like he is gelous on his friend :)

also tone down the Scorpio power haha

You a weird ass motherfucker man lol. You're really getting analytical about another man's friendship online from a simple question or you're projecting. Whatever it is, keep on thinking and analyzing lmao.

I'm gonna keep learning bout what I need to learn.
 

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You a weird ass motherfucker man lol. You're really getting analytical about another man's friendship online from a simple question or you're projecting. Whatever it is, keep on thinking and analyzing lmao.

I'm gonna keep learning bout what I need to learn.

no needed senor , you just responded yourself ;)
 
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