Illimitable men

[seanmagy]

Guys,i want to hear you opinion on a website called illimitable men by Rollo Tomassi..is his content worth reading?

 

[PalmaSailor]

I think it’s pretty good stuff, but it’s not by Rollo Tomassi.

Tomassi is the author of the Rational Male.

Both are worth reading.

 

[seanmagy]

Yeah.thanks for the correction there

i appreciate the response mate.

 

[PalmaSailor]

It’s a lot of reading, but I think the illimitible guy is from the U.K. and a lot more of his stuff is directed toward game whereas Rollo is a lot more intersexual dynamics.

yiu need both really.

 

[Vision]

Just be careful with Red Pill stuff... they have some good points but they wrap victimization and bullying other people into half truths.

It's the same with feminism and many other political groups with cult followings. Actually, a lot of marketers do this with their stuff as well.

Just be cautious that you don't end up down the "men are victims" rabbit hole that a lot of red pill guys will lead you down or thinking that all women are cheating sluts just looking for an opportunity to find someone better than you... it's all half truths and they tend to attack anyone who doesn't agree with them by calling them "blue pill."

I don't think this topic is fully allowed here because of how divisive it is and filled with BS and half truths but since you asked, I thought I'd let you know.

 

[PalmaSailor]

Just be careful with Red Pill stuff... they have some good points but they wrap victimization and bullying other people into half truths.

It's the same with feminism and many other political groups with cult followings. Actually, a lot of marketers do this with their stuff as well.

Just be cautious that you don't end up down the "men are victims" rabbit hole that a lot of red pill guys will lead you down or thinking that all women are cheating sluts just looking for an opportunity to find someone better than you... it's all half truths and they tend to attack anyone who doesn't agree with them by calling them "blue pill."

I don't think this topic is fully allowed here because of how divisive it is and filled with BS and half truths but since you asked, I thought I'd let you know.

Proper red pill is not about being a victim, or MGTOW or anything like that.

proper red pill in the context of women is a thorough understanding of intersexual dynamics and how women’s attraction is actually triggered.

There is a lot of stuff and hate surrounding it from various quarters, but that’s not what it’s all supposed to be about.

it is a different mindset, the standard narrative is “be nice to girls” and when men do that as a method, they end up in the friendzone while she bangs a “bad guy”.

the key is understanding why that happens and it requires an open mind to get there. Most men are so invested in what is a totally fem centric culture that they simply can’t make the leap. And so you get all sorts of shaming and hate.

 

[Vision]

Proper red pill is not about being a victim, or MGTOW or anything like that.

Proper feminism isn't about man hating either, but that's what it's turned into... a bunch of man haters.

proper red pill in the context of women is a thorough understanding of intersexual dynamics and how women’s attraction is actually triggered.

You might want to tell the red pill guys that.

There is a lot of stuff and hate surrounding it from various quarters, but that’s not what it’s all supposed to be about.

it is a different mindset, the standard narrative is “be nice to girls” and when men do that as a method, they end up in the friendzone while she bangs a “bad guy”.

the key is understanding why that happens and it requires an open mind to get there. Most men are so invested in what is a totally fem centric culture that they simply can’t make the leap. And so you get all sorts of shaming and hate.

Pickup actually does all of this just fine... so does alpha mindset stuff and various other things.

Why do we need "red pill" dating stuff if we're all already teaching this?

 

[Skjöldr]

Proper feminism isn't about man hating either, but that's what it's turned into... a bunch of man haters.



You might want to tell the red pill guys that.



Pickup actually does all of this just fine... so does alpha mindset stuff and various other things.

Why do we need "red pill" dating stuff if we're all already teaching this?

IMO there's a difference between "the Red pill/redpill" (The raw truth) and the self-proclaimed redpill community. Redpill in a game-related, practical context is good. Redpill for mental masturbation purposes isn't redpill, but that's my perspective. I consider myself a practical redpiller.

 

[PalmaSailor]

IMO there's a difference between "the Red pill/redpill" (The raw truth) and the self-proclaimed redpill community. Redpill in a game-related, practical context is good. Redpill for mental masturbation purposes isn't redpill, but that's my perspective. I consider myself a practical redpiller.

Exactly. But it’s easier to paint it with a generalisation brush and shame it than think properly about what’s being said and what the implications are.

 

[Vision]

IMO there's a difference between "the Red pill/redpill" (The raw truth) and the self-proclaimed redpill community. Redpill in a game-related, practical context is good. Redpill for mental masturbation purposes isn't redpill, but that's my perspective. I consider myself a practical redpiller.

Yeah, I mean, that's fair.

You could say the same about feminism, nazism, communism, or many other things. Those are idealistic things that then humans got ahold of and destroyed and created bad reputations around.

Unfortunately, the term "red pill" doesn't really mean much of anything... it's a term used by a lot of people for a lot of different things... it's used for politics (on the left and the right), conspiracy theory medical things, the manosphere, and in this case, dating.

And as far as I've seen, even in the dating sphere, there's no cohesion in the message of what redpill is... I've seen different people claim they know what it is or different "doctrines" for it... but even the doctrines I've seen are mostly whining about women with some good points and truth scattered in between it.

If someone can point me to an official statement on what redpill is, we could discuss this further.

Exactly. But it’s easier to paint it with a generalisation brush and shame it than think properly about what’s being said and what the implications are.

When you get guys claiming that they're red pilled, running around the internet, attacking anyone who disagrees with them and shaming them as "blue pilled," it's easy to see why people use a broad brush and make generalizations about them... the same way people do it with feminists, communists, nazis, and anything else you want to talk about.

Is nazism about white supremacy? No, it's a governmental system that focuses on a countries national interests... but people have flown the flag of nazism to attack other races for decades and, of course, Hitler and his whole regime have created a name for nazism.

But I can understand why people would generalize, paint with a broad brush, and shame it.