Is MDMA or Cocaine A Guaranteed Way To Beat Approach Anxiety?

[Chrance]

This whole type business is dumb. It is not a real thing, and it’s usage is a perfect example of backwards rationalization.

1. You and her have sex
2. Oh, he must have been my type

1. She sucks your dick
2. Hmm, I guess I’m her type.

It’s a complete misunderstanding of cause and effect. You can’t find out if your her “type” till after you fuck her. If you say hey to a girl and you don’t have sex you’re left thinking “it’s cuz I wasn’t her type” when in fact maybe she was in a shitty mood or you said something embarrassing.

There is no “type” program in any human being lol. Total bullshit. No way anyway should be teaching their kids that - “son just be her type and you’re good.”

Also, typness makes it seem as if the perception of what an ideal man looks and behaves like is just a matter of total preference. If it were the case then there would be no consistency whatsoever in what man is considered attractive or not, when clearly there is much consistency. If women couldn’t tell what a proper (ie beautiful/handsome/ideal) man looked like than they would not be able to tell that there is a man dancing with a woman in this drawing

How could people reproduce if they couldn’t tell what a proper (ie adequate/beautiful/good/ideal) version of the opposite sex looked like? Wouldn’t be possible. A rock would loook as much as a woman as aurora lol. Anything about type or the subjectivity of attractiveness should be abandoned. Do you see physicists saying “well it’s all subjective anyway, let’s go home and jerk off.”? What about chemists saying “well, what defines a chemical is really just a point of view. Our work is now done. Let’s go jerk off with the physics department.”? Definitely not. Then why are people whose business is to uncover the cause and effect between starting a conversation and banging a girl throwing up their hands with “well, just be her type and you’ll have sex. There ya go.” Stupid and useless; doesn’t correspond with anything else we see in life. “Well that’s a nice painting because it’s my type. And these flowers here, well they must be my type as well since they are also pretty to me. And that German Shepard over there; must be my type also lol.”

@flatron bro, have you ever lied to someone before? If someone can lie their way through an interview to get a great job, or lie their way to get a raise, why can’t they lie to a girl all the way to a bedroom? - there ya go, verbal methods of manipulating a woman to sex is born

 

[Chrance]

Just last night a 40 something old man was showing me the scars on his knuckles and why his nose was crooked. Who knows if he was telling the truth but it sure altered my impression of him.

 

[Chrance]

Don't wanna sidetrack the OP's topic.

But don't get hung up on the word 'type' if it confuses you. Of course one mans trash is another mans picasso. Instead; Would you bang a girl who you didn't think was physically attractive?

And one mans dog is another mans cat lol. A girl doesn’t need to be that attractive to have sex so maybe. I’ve done it before. Satisfying sexual desires is separate from attractiveness. If we’re horny we can fuck a lot of things. But your ability to tell if an object is a woman or not requires you to perceive that object as adequately (more attractively) or inadequatkey (less attractively) representing what is called a woman. It’s the same thing as determining if your child properly drew a circle instead some mess with finger paint.

Vs

Whether or not you think one is better than the other is irrelevant; that you can perceive they have a similar relation yet one makes that relation clearer than the other is key.

Btw it really wasn’t your use of type that made me comment, I’ve just noticed it’s excessive use over time on forums. So nothing personal or anything

Also sorry for thread derail @SexNotValidation

 

[Grand Pooba]

MDMA and cocaine has been mentioned to me several times as a guaranteed way to lose inhibitions in social situations.

Not sure who gave you this advice, but it's pretty bad and comical advice!

Most beta and clueless guys use all sorts of crutches (drinking and drugs for instance) to be able to approach. They still usually don't get women, despite all of this.

Do you want to be on their level?

 

[Velasco]

The Donald uses both

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1171061222306996224

We Need To Talk About This Picture Of Donald Trump

Back when Trump cared to pretend he liked Hispanics, he tweeted this on Cinco de Mayo. But it may be telling us more about him than he realized.

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[Chrance]

regarding the OP, I tried phenibut on and off. It would either make me really social and excited about nothing, or at the edge of deep sleep. Totally unreliable. Oolong tea that I remember @Teevster recommending somewhere is actually pretty good. Better than coffee if you need a booster to get through the night

 

[Teevster]

regarding the OP, I tried phenibut on and off. It would either make me really social and excited about nothing, or at the edge of deep sleep. Totally unreliable. Oolong tea that I remember @Teevster recommending somewhere is actually pretty good. Better than coffee if you need a booster to get through the night

I actually prefer Ripened puerh for state but some oolongs work too, depending on the type. The sphere of oolongs is pretty vast.

 

[Velasco]

Most beta and clueless guys use all sorts of crutches (drinking and drugs for instance) to be able to approach. They still usually don't get women, despite all of this.

GP you know this isn't true lol

You have to find out if drinking works for your game or not. For me, I've learned it doesn't. For other guys, some kill it when they drink. We have a friend named "Blackout Romeo" because for whatever reason whenever he blacks out drunk, he goes home with a girl - and otherwise he rarely picks up women. It's the weirdest thing.

Everyone uses crutches/Performance (game after all IS performance art) Enhancing Drugs. Something that gives them an advantage over the competition. Whether that's TRT, libido pills, illegal drugs, dressing a certain way, meditation, tea, alcohol etc.,

some work better for others. and some are healthier alternatives over others. but at the end of the day they are still crutches

 

[Grand Pooba]

GP you know this isn't true lol



Everyone uses crutches/Performance (game after all IS performance art) Enhancing Drugs. Something that gives them an advantage over the competition. Whether that's TRT, libido pills, illegal drugs, dressing a certain way, meditation, tea, alcohol etc.,

some work better for others. and some are healthier alternatives over others. but at the end of the day they are still crutches

Haha, fair point @Velasco ! I stand corrected - we do have Blackout Romeo

 

[SexNotValidation]

Paul Janka (not only tall and handsome but also a professional PUA) is said to have had a 4.4% close rate. But that was him cold approaching
(which makes you wonder about all the superstars online who claim to bang like 50% of girls they open lol. Usually it's actually matter of spotting IOI's (attracted girls) and approaching them which muddies the waters when looking at the numbers. Or flat out lies)
With girls approaching you though, you'd expect better than a 2% close rate. Usually the answer in situations like that is as simple as escalation! Tell her she's hot! DO something. If she's attracted to you, you've now given HER a chance to show some intent back without her risking being rejected. It can all suddenly click with something as simple as that IF she is attracted (which she usually is if she opens you!)

where are you getting this data from?

i have read his attraction formula book and in there he claims 11%.

where are you getting this 4.5% for Paul Janka from?

 

[SexNotValidation]

Not sure who gave you this advice, but it's pretty bad and comical advice!

Most beta and clueless guys use all sorts of crutches (drinking and drugs for instance) to be able to approach. They still usually don't get women, despite all of this.

Do you want to be on their level?

i personally know guys who fuck 50-100 girls from nightclubs every year in my city who drink/get nearly drunk every night they go out.

unfortunately, alcohol did not work for me or i would do the same thing.

 

[greenleaf]

where are you getting this data from?

i have read his attraction formula book and in there he claims 11%.

where are you getting this 4.5% for Paul Janka from?

I've not heard that 4.5% either, although i'm pretty sure from memory that his ''11%'' was from phone numbers that he gets that lead to sex.
I'm not good at maths and my brain isn't working, but I think it still makes sense?
4.5% of the girls he opens from cold end up in a lay and 11% of numbers end in a lay - (so some girls don't give him their number)
Handsome, tall dude, too! Ouch - My own stats make more sense though with that in mind! haha.

 

[Chrance]

i personally know guys who fuck 50-100 girls from nightclubs every year in my city who drink/get nearly drunk every night they go out.

unfortunately, alcohol did not work for me or i would do the same thing.

Have you ever seen them go out and go to work? That’s 1-2 girls per week which is a lot. I don’t know anyone like that. I’d see them go in at 11:00pm, lockinto an interaction by around 12:00am to 1:00am and gone after 1:00am to 3:00am. I’ve never done a quick close though, only heard of them, so maybe that changes things. You should wing with these guys and follow their behavior. Pulling 1-2 girls per week is absolutely no easy task so their game must be good beyond just approaching a lot.

 

[greenleaf]

Pulling 1-2 girls per week is absolutely no easy task so their game must be good beyond just approaching a lot.

I guess that depends on how hot the girls are and handsome the guys are though? My (occasional) wingman has a ridiculous close rate (God, I hate even thinking about him as it messes with my state, although I don't think i'm out gaming tonight so it doesn't matter! ) and I'd bet my car that he could get laid 2 times per week like it's the easiest thing in the world, and he really doesn't seem to have much in the way of 'game' at all tbh. He tends to get huge attraction from his looks to the point girls are very forward and direct and then he just needs to escalate without saying anything completely stupid lol

 

[Mr.Rob]

personally know guys who fuck 50-100 girls from nightclubs every year in my city who drink/get nearly drunk every night they go out.

Do you know any guys that do Coke every night they go out and pull this much?

I mean they exist, and some guys do well on Coke and are pretty charming charismatic people... But the addiction will take much more from you in the long term than it gives in the short term.

As for MDMA you prob wouldn't be able to do it every day and function. Once a week maybe but that stuff messes hard with your neurotransmitters and burns holes in your brain.

Not to mention you'll have to deal with sketchy people, worry about getting robbed and having someone cut your drugs with horrendous shit to increase their profits at your expense. I know the phentylnal stuff they use these days causes a lot of deaths from accidental overdose.

So idk if that all sounds like it's worth it then uh... well maybe you should go for it after all.

 

[Chrance]

I guess that depends on how hot the girls are and handsome the guys are though? My (occasional) wingman has a ridiculous close rate (God, I hate even thinking about him as it messes with my state, although I don't think i'm out gaming tonight so it doesn't matter! ) and I'd bet my car that he could get laid 2 times per week like it's the easiest thing in the world, and he really doesn't seem to have much in the way of 'game' at all tbh. He tends to get huge attraction from his looks to the point girls are very forward and direct and then he just needs to escalate without saying anything completely stupid lol

I guess I’m pretty skeptical about anybody who says they bang a lot of chicks. Ive met several guys who initially seemed like they closed a lot and even bragged as well but after seeing them actually go to work, I realized they were lying and posturing or pulling pigs. Even if the girls aren’t that hot it’s still very difficult. I’ve only met one guy who was good looking with good game and he struggled just as much as I did. I also don’t see really good looking guys get hit on that much. Girls will check them out but that’s it. Unless a man has repeatedly shown himself to talk to then leave with a girl repeatedly (like almost every time you see him) there is no reason to think he gets laid a lot. Make outs, grinding and number collecting don’t count. Also, guys go on vacation or don’t go out and chase chicks every weekend so to get to 50 that’s definitely more than 1 per week on those weeks they go out

It could just be due to the city I’m in. It’s like 75% dudes most nights. Only like 5% of the people out are girls worth hitting on. Every player is clamoring for those chicks.

 

[Toby2030]

Look, I’ve seen you on here for so long now, and it doesn’t really look like you are making any progress.. People coming into pick-up are often very close-minded. They have a very limited view of the world – I did have that myself too. If you really want to become good at something, you must expand your horizons, and be open to new inputs. Learning pick-up is hard, which is also why you see so many people working on it for 3 months, and then quitting, because it’s too hard. Look yourself into the mirror – is this really what you want, or are you fine with average girls and social skills? If you REALLY want hot girls, then you must take action, be open-minded and trust the process.

Do you know how you learn a skill faster than the average person does? You focus on the fundamentals of the skill, you find your sticking points, you ALWAYS move towards resistance and pain – fighting your mental demons, you advance through trial and error, laugh about your mistakes, and tries to learn how things are done, not just how they appear and get that deep understanding of why it works.

A lot of great people have tried to help you. When a lot of people are giving you the same advice, it’s probably because the advice is true. But you still reject everything. Do you know why this forum exists? For feedback. You can’t expect to post on a forum designed for helping each other becoming better at game, and not get feedback. You learn faster by taking actional advice from people better than you are. That’s how I moved up in my sports career, and that’s how every skill is learned best. Yes, it’s hard to take action when you face pain, because every single progression you’ll make requires you to go through pain. And that leads to the first question? Do you really want this? Pick-up is not for everyone, and that’s all good. But seeing someone whining, and not making any progress is a waste of everybody’s time. Well, it’s even damaging for the forums.
People, in general, are unwilling to accept or welcome change in general and are always looking for comfort and security. If you want to become good at something you HAVE TO stay open and be willing to change. No matter what you learn, you’ll have to run full force into a wall, change direction and do the same over, and over again. You are fighting against your primal instincts.

You have paid for coaching from 3 of the top 5 best people on here, and haven’t seen progress. I don't know who, but the girlschase guys are some of the best in the world. If you don't see progress from them, it's probably time to look at what you are doing wrong personally.

Start a journal and let your action talk the words. Don't see this as an attack - I'm trying to push you here.

 

[The Emerald Archer]

I tried phenibut on and off. It would either make me really social and excited about nothing, or at the edge of deep sleep. Totally unreliable.

I used to take Phenibut regularly for ~3 years or so back when Happy Hippo Herbals (owned by Chris Deoudes from GLL) carried it in their inventory. They discontinued it around a year ago, I forget why exactly but I think it has to do with legal reasons idk.

But if it's making you sleepy it's probably because you were dosing it too high in one sitting. I use to take 1 gram or so at a time then wait 2-3 hours before taking another gram. When I dosed it like that, that shit was AMAZING. You feel awesome, music sounds awesome and it really curbs your social anxiety. I miss it honestly.

When Chris wrote about it in his review article he compared it to taking a very small amount of MDMA. It's not actually MDMA, but in terms of the effects it can feel like a micro-dose of it.

You do have to be careful though, because you can develop a dependency on it and can experience withdrawal symptoms if you take it every day. I never took it more than 3 days in 1 week, and majority of the time it was only 2 days/week - Fridays/Saturdays.

Where did you order yours from if you don't mind me asking Chrance?

EDIT: On the topic of doing coke, no I don't recommend it and yes some guys will do it to look like a hardass because they're too self-conscious/anxious socially.

I used to do blow on and off for about 2 years and looking back it was not very wise, and I definitely did it because I thought it made me look cool. Thankfully I've wisened up and matured a great deal since graduating from college, but let's be real here cocaine is a HARD DRUG. One of the most addictive drugs there is. You don't know what could happen or how dependent you could become on it and for what? To look cool, get girls or to beat some social anxiety? C'mon that is just foolish and high-risk/low-reward.

I'd look into Kratom if you want some sort of "boost". Though it can fuck with your libido and if you have trouble getting/staying hard, probably use sparingly. On the flip side, if you suffer from premature ejaculation kratom will work nicely for you.

 

[Mr.Rob]

On the flip side, if you suffer from premature ejaculation kratom will work nicely for you.

Really? Haven't heard that ever before. Interesting.

I guess that makes sense since it acts on the opioid receptors and I know opioids have that side effect.

I just don't totally buy in that kratom is as safe as it's made out to be. Need to research it some more