Is this girl trying to manipulate me?

[Kaida]

I already fucked this girl once back in September. She’s a junior and I’m a freshman. In bed she seemed incredibly experienced and had a super sexy vibe.

Its almost like she worked on her fundamentals the way everything was on point, even her voice sounded mad sexy.

Shes also a very forward girl. I approached her first, but she was the one who texted me first, called me first to come over, initiated sex first with me almost immediately I entered her apartment. Signs of high experience

We tried to get together again a few times after the first fuck, but its like every time she called me I was either busy, she was busy, or I was with another girl.

After a while the texting slowly died around mid October.

November 11th I called her again to set up a meet and she enthusiastically agreed over the call. We texted shortly after:

Me: I’m going to get something to eat then I’ll be otw

Her: Ok I’ll pick u up from your house later

Me: I’m back

She left me on delivered after that, no apology, no explanation or anything. Which was mad weird because she seemed eager, but okay, whatever. I wasn’t tripping. I’ll forget about her and just text her when she pops in my head again.


Fast forward 2 months to today. Over the last two months she’s almost always been viewing my insta stories first, and has seen a lot of the preselection and stuff I post.

I called her randomly at 7pm today once I got back in town. Heres how the conversation went:

Me: Hey! Hows it going

Her: Hey! Havent heard from you in a while… since you’re always so busy with all your girlfriends

Me: Lol ur chatting
Me: What you up to?

Her: I’m good just cleaning my apartment. How about you?

Me: Spring cleaning? ur so old .

Her: Haha howw

Me: Wouldnt be suprised if you have cats in a few years

Her: Haha you’re just young. I’m actually getting a dog next month. You should come see him! (Shes already technically inviting me over)

Me: Haha I wouldnt mind.

Her: Sooo… what are you doing

Me: I’m just chilling in my room

Her: Are you back in town or…?

Me: Yeah I just got settled in.

Her: Thats good…

Me: I can come over there

Her: Of courseee. What time?

Me: I can come now

Her: Oh not now, I’m busy cleaning

Me: When?

Her: Probably around 9, or I’ll just call you when I’m done.

Me: Alright, bet. We’ll talk

Call ends

She seemed very enthusiastic, in both her tone and words. She even seemed more invested than I was.

9pm passes, no call
Around 9:45 I text her a single “?”. No response, no apology, no nothing. Silence

I post something unrelated on my snapchat story a few minutes later… and shes the first one to view it within 30 seconds. Lol.

So weird. This is the second time she’s set up a meet enthusiastically and just gone cold and its irritating.

I’m starting to think she’s doing it on purpose because I wasn’t sensing any signs of a potential flake. It sounds like something straight out of a seduction book: 1. Make him think you’re completely available and you’re just within arms reach 2. Go Cold on him. Classic push pull

And the fact that it’s so irritating i guess might mean its working, but not in the way she wants. She probably wants me to chase her but i’m just getting annoyed

I just want to send a ball in her court message and get it over with, but I’m thinking it’ll seem too invested. Normally a BIHC works like:

Girl: *Agrees on meet*

Guy: *Checks in*

Girl: *Apologizes / Gives Excuse*

Guy: *BIHC*

But without her sending an apology, I’ll have to double text which may make me look too invested since I’m still thinking about the fact she didnt show up. I may be overthinking it though.

2 Questions:

Guys with past experiences like this, do you guys think shes gaming me?

Whats an effective ball in her court message I can send so I can just call her out & let her chase? Keeping in mind she still hasnt sent me a message back

 

[Will_V]

Sounds like she's gaming you a little bit, I wouldn't call it 'manipulation' unless you consider female game to be that. She's trying to get a grip on a situation that she she doesn't feel in control of - wanting you while knowing you're swimming in pussy.

You really needed to handle her a lot better. For starters, you aren't leading the way you should. Look at the two times when things were about to happen and then they stalled. In the first one, you text her 'I'm back'. Ok? So where is the leading? Do you want her to figure out how to actually get the two of you together? It comes across as you being flippant and not caring to figure things out, and expecting her to be all enthusiastic and maybe figure it out on her own.

The second time you waited for her call. You never do that with women, they rarely take initiative (even though they usually appear perfectly ready to do so, it's just an illusion). It was up to you to call/text her, warm her up, connect with her a bit, and then sort out the logistics.

Another thing, you pushed quite hard to see her the first time when she wasn't actually that invested, trying to settle on an immediate time to meet. It came across very eager and she knows that means only one thing - you're gonna want to bang. And when she knows you're eager to bang it makes the whole thing far less interesting for her - you're probably not going to want to actually seduce her.

Overall your attainability for anything beyond a one night stand is at rock bottom, and that makes her feel very iffy about actually doing anything - even if you got her home her ASD would be off the charts (like the other girl you posted about - see a pattern?).

The way to go here is to be dominant and leading BUT take it slower, connect with her a little more, give her the feeling that she's actually getting you and not just your dick. Make her feel like she's chasing you for sex and not the other way around.

 

[Kaida]

In the first one, you text her 'I'm back'. Ok? So where is the leading? Do you want her to figure out how to actually get the two of you together? It comes across as you being flippant and not caring to figure things out, and expecting her to be all enthusiastic and maybe figure it out on her own.

I think I called her as well planning to take the lead more on the call. She didnt pick up though

The second time you waited for her call. You never do that with women, they rarely take initiative (even though they usually appear perfectly ready to do so, it's just an illusion). It was up to you to call/text her, warm her up, connect with her a bit, and then sort out the logistics.

Definitely realizing this more and more lol. I’ve already cut “Let me know” out of my vocabulary with women.

I would’ve been completely fine calling but she said “I’ll call you around 9” so I thought it’d be too eager to call her when she said she’d call me.

The way to go here is to be dominant and leading BUT take it slower, connect with her a little more, give her the feeling that she's actually getting you and not just your dick. Make her feel like she's chasing you for sex and not the other way around.

Crazy thing is thats exactly what I wanted to do, but on the call it felt like she wanted me over so fast I was like bet and stopped trying to connect.

All this happened yeaterday night… should I call her today and try again?

If so, how should I call out what happened yesterday so I dont look like I’m ignoring it

Calling her again might up my attainability in a healthy way because now it looks like I want her. Or I might just look horny and eager

 

[Kaida]

Crazy thing is thats exactly what I wanted to do, but on the call it felt like she wanted me over so fast I was like bet and stopped trying to connect.

All this happened yeaterday night… should I call her today and try again?

If so, how should I call out what happened yesterday so I dont look like I’m ignoring it

Calling her again might up my attainability in a healthy way because now it looks like I want her. Or I might just look horny and eager

Bump

 

[Will_V]

Way I'd do it is like this:

1. Give her a few days or a week of space, and get her out of my mind.
2. After a while, reconnect with her and build up a little bit of banter on the phone.
3. Get her out for a walk or a lowkey date of some kind, and seduce her again there.

You already sent the '?' text, so suddenly calling her and showing investment is going to look a bit needy and flipfloppy. Since she seems to miss you when you're gone, thinking about how you're with all your 'other girlfriends', giving her some space is a good idea, and makes it seem like you're 'oh cool, don't want me, back to the end of the queue you go', which is only going to make you more attractive even if it's hard to swallow.

And then when you reconnect, you don't need to address directly the issue but instead do it indirectly by showing her a bit more consideration and warmth, taking her out somewhere, giving her good conversation, and showing that you enjoy her for more than just sex. You want to give her the things that make her just comfortable enough to feel like she's got a fighting chance against all those other girls without increasing your attainability too much. And then her own desire to compete for you will help move things to the bedroom.

In the meantime, be sure keep seeing other girls to keep your head in the right space, so you can be ready to let her go if she wants something from you that you can't give.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

Guys with past experiences like this, do you guys think shes gaming me?

Manipulating you? Is she breathing? lol, I kid, I kid.

Typical female behavior, especially at that age, hot and cold.

Standard Operating Procedure for getting the next bang

1. Keep the Social Media Marketing Going
2. Give her opportunities to hang out with you

A lot of these chicks want to "kick you off your high horse" because it feeds their ego.

But more likely - she's just the typical girl at that age, jumping on the newest shiniest things.

No need to read anything nefarious into it.

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

I already fucked this girl once back in September. She’s a junior and I’m a freshman. In bed she seemed incredibly experienced and had a super sexy vibe.

Its almost like she worked on her fundamentals the way everything was on point, even her voice sounded mad sexy.

Shes also a very forward girl. I approached her first, but she was the one who texted me first, called me first to come over, initiated sex first with me almost immediately I entered her apartment. Signs of high experience

We tried to get together again a few times after the first fuck, but its like every time she called me I was either busy, she was busy, or I was with another girl.

After a while the texting slowly died around mid October.

November 11th I called her again to set up a meet and she enthusiastically agreed over the call. We texted shortly after:

Me: I’m going to get something to eat then I’ll be otw

Her: Ok I’ll pick u up from your house later

Me: I’m back

She left me on delivered after that, no apology, no explanation or anything. Which was mad weird because she seemed eager, but okay, whatever. I wasn’t tripping. I’ll forget about her and just text her when she pops in my head again.


Fast forward 2 months to today. Over the last two months she’s almost always been viewing my insta stories first, and has seen a lot of the preselection and stuff I post.

I called her randomly at 7pm today once I got back in town. Heres how the conversation went:

Me: Hey! Hows it going

Her: Hey! Havent heard from you in a while… since you’re always so busy with all your girlfriends

Me: Lol ur chatting
Me: What you up to?

Her: I’m good just cleaning my apartment. How about you?

Me: Spring cleaning? ur so old .

Her: Haha howw

Me: Wouldnt be suprised if you have cats in a few years

Her: Haha you’re just young. I’m actually getting a dog next month. You should come see him! (Shes already technically inviting me over)

Me: Haha I wouldnt mind.

Her: Sooo… what are you doing

Me: I’m just chilling in my room

Her: Are you back in town or…?

Me: Yeah I just got settled in.

Her: Thats good…

Me: I can come over there

Her: Of courseee. What time?

Me: I can come now

Her: Oh not now, I’m busy cleaning

Me: When?

Her: Probably around 9, or I’ll just call you when I’m done.

Me: Alright, bet. We’ll talk

Call ends

She seemed very enthusiastic, in both her tone and words. She even seemed more invested than I was.

9pm passes, no call
Around 9:45 I text her a single “?”. No response, no apology, no nothing. Silence

I post something unrelated on my snapchat story a few minutes later… and shes the first one to view it within 30 seconds. Lol.

So weird. This is the second time she’s set up a meet enthusiastically and just gone cold and its irritating.

I’m starting to think she’s doing it on purpose because I wasn’t sensing any signs of a potential flake. It sounds like something straight out of a seduction book: 1. Make him think you’re completely available and you’re just within arms reach 2. Go Cold on him. Classic push pull

And the fact that it’s so irritating i guess might mean its working, but not in the way she wants. She probably wants me to chase her but i’m just getting annoyed

I just want to send a ball in her court message and get it over with, but I’m thinking it’ll seem too invested. Normally a BIHC works like:

Girl: *Agrees on meet*

Guy: *Checks in*

Girl: *Apologizes / Gives Excuse*

Guy: *BIHC*

But without her sending an apology, I’ll have to double text which may make me look too invested since I’m still thinking about the fact she didnt show up. I may be overthinking it though.

2 Questions:

Guys with past experiences like this, do you guys think shes gaming me?

Whats an effective ball in her court message I can send so I can just call her out & let her chase? Keeping in mind she still hasnt sent me a message back

this will explain everything:

GC vid by Coach Hector

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

this will explain everything:

GC vid by Coach Hector

And short answer - yes, she is playing the fuck out of you

I wouldn’t say it’s for bad intent, she just wants you in her pocket, take that however you want

But don’t take my word for it, Coach Hector will explain it better.

 

[Kaida]

Okay @Will_V I pinged her this time.

I opted to text because its much easier to strategize.

I texted her an initial low effort ping message, she replied in 2 hours so I roughly matched it, asking about how shes preparing for her big sorority party tomorrow.

After I replied, she replies very fast in between me typing so I couldnt even get the second message off.

I then asked what she was bringing to prepare and she didn’t reply.

I wasn’t tripping because I thought I’d see her at the party, but she was nowhere to be found. I’m not sure I should double text since she didn’t answer my question which is bad. It’s different if I sent a statement. Shes viewing my snapchat posts of the party as well so shes on her phone.

I think she’s very adhd when it comes to replying to messages. I am too sometimes when I have a lot

Heres the messages:

https://flic.kr/p/2psPrXT

 

[Bo Diddley]

Okay @Will_V I pinged her this time.



After I replied, she replies very fast in between me typing so I couldnt even get the second message off.

I then asked what she was bringing to prepare and she didn’t reply.



https://flic.kr/p/2psPrXT

Quick tip OP - not sure it would've made a difference here, but you can help avoid the texting derailment/convo abandonment by combining your messages into one - hit the "enter" button on your phone instead of "send" and space the second message before the first one, all in one text.

 

[Kaida]

Okay @Will_V I pinged her this time.

I opted to text because its much easier to strategize.

I texted her an initial low effort ping message, she replied in 2 hours so I roughly matched it, asking about how shes preparing for her big sorority party tomorrow.

After I replied, she replies very fast in between me typing so I couldnt even get the second message off.

I then asked what she was bringing to prepare and she didn’t reply.

I wasn’t tripping because I thought I’d see her at the party, but she was nowhere to be found. I’m not sure I should double text since she didn’t answer my question which is bad. It’s different if I sent a statement. Shes viewing my snapchat posts of the party as well so shes on her phone.

I think she’s very adhd when it comes to replying to messages. I am too sometimes when I have a lot

Heres the messages:

https://flic.kr/p/2psPrXT

@Will_V ^ I just thought about this girl but I looked at our messages and she still hasn’t replied. I texted her initially trying to set something up but she just left me hanging there.

Is it dead or is there something else I can try?

Im thinking maybe call text switching or a ball in her court message.

I have a good feeling this girl will chase if I throw a good and well timed BIHC, maybe after trying one more time.

 

[Will_V]

@Will_V ^ I just thought about this girl but I looked at our messages and she still hasn’t replied. I texted her initially trying to set something up but she just left me hanging there.

Is it dead or is there something else I can try?

Im thinking maybe call text switching or a ball in her court message.

I have a good feeling this girl will chase if I throw a good and well timed BIHC, maybe after trying one more time.

Personally, I'd just wait until I ran into her again and show her what she's been missing in person.

You say you already fucked her a while ago, and then your schedules never aligned and the texting faded out? That's typically going to be hard to recover from unless she is really really keen on you. By now she's probably got other dude(s) and there's a good chance she feels like you rejected her by not finding a way to make things happen before. That would explain why it feels to you like she's trying to manipulate you - she's trying to find a way to have more control this time and not experience the same 'rejection', and has mixed emotions about you.

I don't think a BIHC would work at all - these are for when she's invested in you but being wishy washy. Right now it's not clear she's invested in you at all, and from her perspective, it's probably you that's being wishy washy.

If you want to try text again I'd just leave it a few days, stay chill, text her again and within 3 or 4 messages try to set up a meet in a public place somewhere with no pressure. Then seduce her there without any grudges about how she's been behaving.

From her point of view you fucked her and vanished, and when you do that you're going to have to deal with a certain level of defensiveness, flip flopping, testing and so on when you try to come back.

And when you message her, avoid getting into boring questions, this is the death knell for texting as women are very good at not responding to random questions. Also don't forget to offer a little bit of information about yourself, get her thinking about you and what you're up to.

The best frame is to be chill but not all that available - she has to feel the impulse to pursue you a little bit.

 

[Kaida]

Personally, I'd just wait until I ran into her again and show her what she's been missing in person.

I doubt I will honestly. Shes a junior so she lives all the way in the apartments, and I think she must reallly be a homebody because I really havent seen her out in months. She didnt even go to her sorority’s founders day party.

You say you already fucked her a while ago, and then your schedules never aligned and the texting faded out? That's typically going to be hard to recover from unless she is really really keen on you.

She was very keen on me before . She texted me first, invited me over first, pounced on me first, and begged me to stay the night.

I said I couldnt stay because the thing I use to take my contacts out before bed was back at my dorm. She proceeded to uber to her friends house to get her car, drive back to her apartment to pick me up, drive back to my dorm to let me get my contact fluid, and bought me food on the way back .

Back then I was still new to this whole thing so I didnt realize how fast it expires if you dont try and convert her fast.

If you want to try text again I'd just leave it a few days, stay chill, text her again and within 3 or 4 messages try to set up a meet in a public place somewhere with no pressure. Then seduce her there without any grudges about how she's been behaving.

And when you message her, avoid getting into boring questions, this is the death knell for texting as women are very good at not responding to random questions. Also don't forget to offer a little bit of information about yourself, get her thinking about you and what you're up to.

The best frame is to be chill but not all that available - she has to feel the impulse to pursue you a little bit.

Okay, sometimes with my messages they get boring if something doesnt hook fast.

Is there a message I can send that will hit immediately and let her know I want to meet her in public (without being too pushy)?

I have a feeling that even if I send one or two messages to try and setup the conversation she’s just not going to reply.

I need to get to the point fast but I don’t know what to send without seeming too eager

 

[Will_V]

@Kaida you might want to read this: https://www.girlschase.com/content/ultimate-guide-how-get-girl-back

Sounds to me like she's in autorejection.

Is there a message I can send that will hit immediately and let her know I want to meet her in public (without being too pushy)?

I have a feeling that even if I send one or two messages to try and setup the conversation she’s just not going to reply.

I need to get to the point fast but I don’t know what to send without seeming too eager

You have to become a very patient man if you want to turn something like this around. The fear of putting yourself out there and being ignored will come through if you try to secure the outcome with some overbearing message that tries to be failsafe.

A little bit here, a little bit there, never pushing but only offering, and never losing confidence or becoming needy, is what makes a bird return to the hand.

And treat her well next time, if there is one.

 

[Kaida]

@Kaida you might want to read this: https://www.girlschase.com/content/ultimate-guide-how-get-girl-back

Sounds to me like she's in autorejection.



You have to become a very patient man if you want to turn something like this around. The fear of putting yourself out there and being ignored will come through if you try to secure the outcome with some overbearing message that tries to be failsafe.

A little bit here, a little bit there, never pushing but only offering, and never losing confidence or becoming needy, is what makes a bird return to the hand.

And treat her well next time, if there is one.

Okay.

I sent her this (using fake name):

Me: Mariaaa
Me: u doing well
Me: I missed you at that sorority party that other day

No reply in 2 days.

I also spoke to Hector about it, he said that he personally would cut the bullshit and have a very frank conversation with her and call myself and her out on the games, while making it clear I like her and actually want to see her.

I plan to do that but I can't even get in the convo lol. Might try calling in a week or 2 and try that if she picks up

 

[Kaida]

Okay so I decided to call her up and have a frank conversation with her and end the games (This was about 4 weeks ago).

Basically called her (and myself) out saying that I actually enjoyed that night with her, and I do really want to see her and I know it may have seemed like I was playing games with her when I said no 3 times.

Got her to admit that she said no to me on purpose just to get me back. (Turns out the problem was I replied too late when she said she’d pick me up so she assumed I stood her up, and next time stood me up to get back.)

I wanted to segway that into a meetup, but she told me she wasn’t in town that weekend so we just ended the call.

Called her a week later, she was out of town again. No problem.

Had my birthday party a week later and posted the invite. she swiped up said she was going to come, but said later in the night her head was hurting and she couldn’t party. She then said we’ll celebrate fs later.

So then I texted her yesterday and a text conversation ensues:

Me: Mariaaaa

Her: Hey!

Me: wyd love
Me: i bet the retreat last weekend was fun
Me: my friends said it was

Her: it was! glad to be back though
Her: who do you know on the team?

Me: Dave and Jay, they really just acquaintances tho
Me: I feel like you enjoy being the mom

Her: lol, the mom. thats funny
Her: but anyways they’re cool, what u been up to?

Me: lol yeah my week been pretty busy
Me: gonna use tn and tmr to relax
Me: what u up to

Her: going to drink wine with my friends, then I’ll be free after
Her: starting to feel old going out lol, dont know what happened to the club

Me: sounds funnn
Me: Its not old until u reach 30 trust me
Me: I feel the same way w the club sometimes

Her: Right

Me: we should celebrate my birthday after ur drinks

Her: most def
Her: I’ll let you know when we finish

Me: fs love (9:30pm)


(3 hrs later, its midnight atp)


Me: ?

Her: I’m still at gabbys
Her: if we cant do tonight maybe tomorrow because I’m not sure I’ll be able to drive lmao

Me: all good just checking

Her: okay bet I’ll let yk I’m waiting on her roomate to take us home

Me: I’m doing some work so ima be up

Her: Okay I’ll let yk!
Her: & if we can’t hang tn we will def tm

Me: for sure

(1 hour later, almost 2am)

(I didn’t want to stay up much longer for a “maybe” so I sent another text to confirm)


Me: just finished my work
Me: u thinking tmr or u still good tn bby

Her: Tmr prob
Her: Sorryyy

Me: no biggie (2am)

(6PM the next day):

Me: wsppp

No Reply for 3 hrs. Usually replies within 1

Called her around 9pm: Nothing.

---

I feel like I made a mistake with the last texts. Whenever a girl tells me “sorry” like that it makes me feel like I did something wrong lol and the frame is off somehow.


Maybe I checked in too much at the end.

I also called her up to see what the deal was, because I dont wanna keep waiting and have her waste a slot I could put another girl in.

I also have about 3 other girls I put on hold for this one yesterday and she wasted a slot. Now she might waste todays slot too if I wait

What do you guys think?

 

[Kaida]

I’m actually so fucking annoyed. Very weird shit. I have no idea what to think right now.

She was giving all the good signs and at 3am a few minutes right when I’m supposed to come over she removes me as a friend on snap.

I think shes actually just being weird atp and am actually havent been so irritated like this at a girl in a very long time. Even though I take it all as my fault so I can learn I cant help being irritated.

Here are the texts (Read Above Post For Context!):

Me (6PM): wsppp

Her (9PM) : heyyy
Her: sorry I’m at work

Me: all good
Me: we still on?

Her: yeah I should be off at like 10

Me: fss

(11:30PM)
Her: I just got off
Her: U up?

Me: fasho
Me: u settled?

Her: I’m otw home now

(12AM Midnight)
Me: bet
Me: want me to come now
Me: or in a bit

(1AM - just as she sees me typing)
Her: I was just about to call you
Her: I was in the shower

Me: aii bet

(2AM)
Me: ?
(then I realize)
Me: dang I read that as about to hop in the shower
Me: another miscommunication lol
Me: we cant catch a break
Me: had a bag packed & everything

(Edit: I think this may have fucked it^ too eager. I thought she thought I stood her up so I tried to repair attainability)

(keep in mind that we didnt meet up multiple times before due to repeated miscommunications with her inviting me over and me saying no / almost standing her up and her returning it to get back at me)

(2:13AM)
Her: I keep falling asleep
Her: I’m ab to get up

Me: fasho
Me: want me to come now

Her: Lmao let me clean up my room first
*I like the message*


And I click on her profile by accident… and I see she unadded me.


It is now almost 4 AM and this girl has not texted. Wtf.

Shes flaked TWO days in a row and was making it seem like it was super on and everything. SHE suggested the next day and was even updating me as the day went.

I could have had TWO different girls today and yesterday but she flaked (while making it seem on) and wasted both slots

I’m especially irritated because I normally go to sleep at 11PM, and I stayed up for this girl because definitely I did not want her to think I stood her up again.



I’m so annoyed and I feel like calling her out on it bad. What should I say?

@Will_V @topcat @TomInHo @Skills

 

[topcat]

Man you’re still way too eager…

all this checking in


“ you ready..? you ready now?? you coming now?”

does that sound like a chill dude with shit going on? with options? nope

sounds like a dude who wants the pussy by any means and his put the girl attached to it on a pedestal.

New rule: if she says she’s coming, leave it. Check in once if she’s dragging. “how you doing for time?”

If it’s anything but “i’ll be there in [a reasonable timeframe]” consider it dead, day “cool” and find something else to do. You’re staying up waiting like a jackass..

Also if she says she’s coming ask her what time she reckons she’ll arrive so you’re not waiting indefinitely. If she’s moving tardy send her a “yo i’m falling asleep, perhaps another day?”

You need to learn to be cool whether you get the pussy or not. Chicks dig that attitude a lot as most dudes act like you do…thirsty as fuck. It actually leads them to flake less. Be cool and courteous even if they flake (it’s no biggie because you get pussy anyway, and won’t die if you don’t get it) and leave her to get back to you.

Ngl your thirst turns me off, and i’m not even the object of interest here. Imagine how they feel..

 

[Kaida]

@topcat

Overcorrection

Last time we set something up my responses were too chill and took too long so she thought I was standing her up and went into auto rejection thinking I didnt want her fr.

Hector Castillo looked at my messages and said the same thing, and he was the one who recommended I call her and have a frank conversation discussing the game-playing.

Fuck overcorrection man. I think she actually did unadd me after that.

You think its dead? Probably is huh

 

[topcat]

You think its dead? Probably is huh

You need a change in perspective

“do i still have a chance?! do i still have a chance?!!..”

Bro why does she still have a chance with you?