ITT: We share our three biggest limiting beliefs right now.

[The Emerald Archer]

It was unnecessary to talk about his avatar (because no one really cares about an avatar). And you don't have to tell anybody "we are just having a conversation" when you juts scolded another forum member for no reason really. And you certainly don't have to be all alpha male, college frat "Yeah bro" about it. Just ask if the guy could explain things in simple terms instead.

If you wanna be a helper of people, and I get the feeling you really do with threads like these and that reply of yours, you must be prepared that not every one will be alike. Many, many guys on here are so different, it doesn't make sense to try and fit them in one box. But if we don't understand each other, yes, difficulties may arise. Then you find ways to handle these situations in a more mature way (or you don't resolve them)

Well said, Lover. Not only what op said to Chrance about his avatar and the "English please" comment (which was completely unnecessary and not constructive in the least), but there was this comment made a few weeks back that didn't sit well with me:

@Protean

Look dude, know your place and cool the fuck off before you attack someone more senior. I talk to senior members who are struggling to build that process and I am talking of a problem relevant to most men out there. Now I don't even know your situation, whether you have a job, responsibilities, or who knows what, but I have seen you take shots at me and ignored them.

Rookie, listen up. Go out there and earn your success, get your lays, contribute value, have countless men thanking you through PM, and then (maybe) you can come talk about hire order shit.

Until then, sit the fuck down and be humble.

That's completely inappropriate and was nothing but pure tooling to a newer member on the forum. I'm not sure why that wasn't flagged or why a moderator didn't step in about that, but I found it egregious.

And to try and pull rank on a newer member (for what I thought was a perfectly valid and constructive criticism) in that type of manner... Christ. I think there needs to be proper accountability here. My $.02.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I actually wanted to double down on my criticism of @Chrance and say that I have zero regrets. Sure, I could have been "nicer" myself but it's obvious to some degree that he wants validation from being seen as smart and using higher order words as if we are discussing philosophy. The point I got from what his limiting belief was where he falls into the hierarchy. I informed him that in most social settings, him sounding like that will make other people roll their eyes unless they are the very scholarly types themselves. Even the Ivy League kids who are out having fun will go "alright cool down professor, we're not in class anymore".

No need for anyone to get worked up, I wanted to get my point across and let him know about his limiting belief. Society is not going to change for him, the choice is on him to find where his style might work or change certain things about himself.

As for you @The Emerald Archer, this is actually a thread where we are all best trying to help each other out. I understand that you love to stir the pot and start shit on the forum because that is who you are, I've rarely seen you post quality content, but seriously please get on your soapbox elsewhere. If you need to go cry to the fucking mods over shit I said weeks ago, go fucking cry to them.

Me and @Protean had a beef and I told him I was not having any of it, yeah I pulled rank no doubt on someone who I saw at the time a junior member trying to take a shot at me, and we settled it like men then and there. You seem to have some hidden agenda so go cry to the fucking mods, tell them how evil I am, and who knows you might even get me banned as that would be the best thing that happens for you in this god forsaken.

Don't ruin my thread with this shit though, take your soapbox elsewhere.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

A special request to @Lover and @The Emerald Archer as well as anyone else, mind taking this PC baby attitude elsewhere or even to the mods? They might delete a post or ban me but I don't want this thread going offtopic. As far as I know, outside of @Chrance being sensitive and others freaking out, the thread has largely been on the right track.

 

[Chrance]

lmao what big words did I use? Gravity lol? Could be that maybe you’re just looking for a problem where there is none, going further by implying I’m being “sensitive”.

Several readers understood what I was trying to say, so this “validation seeking” is not obvious. What is actually obvious to everyone is you have 0 self awareness. You can’t even use bro language properly lol.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

lmao what big words did I use? Gravity lol? Could be that maybe you’re just looking for a problem where there is none, going further by implying I’m being “sensitive”.

Several readers understood what I was trying to say, so this “validation seeking” is not obvious. What is actually obvious to everyone is you have 0 self awareness. You can’t even use bro language properly lol.

Let me counter your petty little insult with some advice.

In life and if you ever do business, being concise will be your best friend. If it can be said in 10 words, don't use a 100 to say it.

Second of all, I legitimately took time out of my night to genuinely try to help you and point out why you feel the way you do about social hierarchies and your insecurity about that, as someone who has been there. If you cannot see that for what it is, I have nothing else for you.

Have a great night!

 

[Chrance]

fair enough

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

fair enough

Well hey, just like the quarrel I had with @Protean a while back, it's done like that. Do take my advice to heart though for your limiting beliefs, it came from a good place.

 

[Chrance]

Hold up.

Here’s what you just did:
1. Insulted my post and my character for no reason
2. Got called out by everyone and cornered like a chimp
3. Backpeddled by painting insults as actual advice
4. Then once convo ended, tried topping it off as if you did nothing stupid, like I should be lucky to be graced with your insults lol

0 self awareness my man

 

[Hue]

@Oh Pry

I was pretty happy when you made this post, since the majority of your issues in developing on the boards have come from beliefs that multiple senior members have poured HOURS into attempting to helping you with. I thought perhaps you'd precisely identify your core issues, which in people's overall growth process is a super important step - and being able to do so willingly (rather than you posting about your epiphanies) is a strong skill to have.

Yet, here we have a storm of shit and toxic behavior brewing.

The only time that anyone I'm referencing has ever approached anything close to attacking you is when they either A) were just giving you some well deserved shit, with a laugh and a wink or B) you became extremely defensive and petty about their comments, and attacked them or acted condescending to them first.

What this post has turned into is "let Oh Pry comment on everyone's issues", rather than a conversational forum that has members being vulnerable and thereafter seeking guidance. My earlier post was both to suggest that people enact solutions THEMSELVES once they've identified an issue and to see if anyone had anything about my issues that might have been helpful, if they chose to comment. Posts like this can be beneficial because they show that everyone has their issues, none of us have it 100% figured out, and to put some real constructive criticism to work.

"English please" when @Chrance made a fairly well articulated description about how there's somewhat of a paradox in that recognizing inherent hierarchies mean that somewhere in there, everybody is inferior (among other things). So how is one supposed to simultaneously not take criticisms too hard or compare themselves to others, when out there are individuals that completely shit on everything you've worked hard to grown into? I'm somewhat of a perfectionist and I completely found value in what he said. I've thought about the very thing many times. Did you follow his post?

I can't believe any of the mods missed this,

"Look dude, know your place and cool the fuck off before you attack someone more senior. I talk to senior members who are struggling to build that process and I am talking of a problem relevant to most men out there. Now I don't even know your situation, whether you have a job, responsibilities, or who knows what, but I have seen you take shots at me and ignored them.

Rookie, listen up. Go out there and earn your success, get your lays, contribute value, have countless men thanking you through PM, and then (maybe) you can come talk about hire order shit.

Until then, sit the fuck down and be humble."

...but this is not at all acceptable behavior on the boards. Consider this a public warning. Being condescending like this is not cool, man. And you completely contradict yourself by demanding he be humble when you lack an ounce of it and speak to your superiority. In regards to the original comment (calling you a KJ) this is not the first time someone has said this. If you're not a KJ then one thing you may want to consider doing is putting in some attempt to not come off as a KJ. Just like some girls have resting bitch face but are actually sweethearts, it's easy to rub people the wrong way about shit.

Lastly, in forums like this, it's pretty much common sense that no one ever NEEDS to listen to what anybody says. Just because someone has good shit to say, nobody is obligated to listen to them. That's why people provide suggestions, or ask questions when they give advice, like "have you ever considered that....? " instead of just sticking their face into a person's business and yelling at them to go do something because they're right and are the authority therefore everyone has to listen. Especially when talking about peoples beliefs, it's an even more important time to choose proper phrasing around these subjects.

It's hard to get someone to change their mind, but it IS POSSIBLE with proper tact, consistent effort, and well-timed comments, and your overall growth on the boards is probably the biggest example of that! I would hope you can find resolve in that, but, you probably won't. Not my problem, so I'm not gonna get triggered if you don't listen.

Stop with the petty insults and the condescending tone. That's me telling you as a moderator, not as your friend.


Hue

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I have zero regret for what I said or did on this thread, take that for what you will.

My view was that instead of me making it all about my own beliefs which I did not even mention, I try to comment on the beliefs of others and genuinely help them with what I best know. For some, that definitely worked, for others, they were overly sensitive since their ego took a hit and members who usually love to stir the pot found an excuse to derail the thread.

As for past posts and just concerning me in general, if I feel like someone has repeatedly gone after me on past threads and made certain comments, I will talk down to them if needed. If I get personally attacked and called a KJ, especially by someone who I felt like at the time has not gone out, done that many approaches, or written that many field reports, I will point that out. What I do not get is why that is being poured over on to here. I respect people who have earned it in my eyes and those who come at me, it's not going to be met with hugs.

As for this thread, I'll refrain from sharing my limiting beliefs and let it go on as usual. If I feel like there are members I can genuinely help and I know will not be overly sensitive to my feedback, I'll give my feedback. If not, I'll not comment and hopefully someone more cautious with their words can.

Now I put the ball in your court @Hue as well as that of other members on there, do we let the thread go on with its original intention of being conversational or do we just let it derail into one whole argument because some people took what I said the wrong way?

 

[The Emerald Archer]

As for you @The Emerald Archer, this is actually a thread where we are all best trying to help each other out. I understand that you love to stir the pot and start shit on the forum because that is who you are, I've rarely seen you post quality content, but seriously please get on your soapbox elsewhere. If you need to go cry to the fucking mods over shit I said weeks ago, go fucking cry to them.

Me and @Protean had a beef and I told him I was not having any of it, yeah I pulled rank no doubt on someone who I saw at the time a junior member trying to take a shot at me, and we settled it like men then and there. You seem to have some hidden agenda so go cry to the fucking mods, tell them how evil I am, and who knows you might even get me banned as that would be the best thing that happens for you in this god forsaken.

Don't ruin my thread with this shit though, take your soapbox elsewhere.

Lmfao nah dude, you’re just making stuff up because you got called out for being an ass and now you’re just trying to save face with make-believe comments like this one. Be more specific and actually provide evidence for how I stir the pot. You were an asshole and you got called out, plain and simple.

There’s no need for me to “cry to the fucking mods” when I can just call you out like a real man and point out your behavior. And clearly, I’m not the only one who noticed and agreed that your behavior (both in this thread and the scuffle with Protean) was egregious.

As far as my content quality goes, I doubt you’ve even read many of my posts beyond a quick glance. Probably because you’re too busy playing “Pastor Oh Pry” posting about epiphanies and preaching how you’ve “seen the light”, only to turn around a week or two later and post another thread about “how to be popular and get hot Instagram bitches like Dan Bilzerian” or another “is life over after 30?” post despite preaching that you've moved past those things.

Furthermore, you tell people to listen to you and take your advice when you are incapable of doing this yourself. From the older, more experienced guys on this forum who have much more life experience than you and I do and have answered your questions from a place of actual experience. Like the “is life over after 30?” posts or the “is it possible to have a fulfilling and fun social life where you mingle with hot girls and cool guys?” posts. Oh yeah, and do I need to mention the incessant posts about race?

While you’re too busy mentally masturbating about social status, and fantasizing about making people jealous by showing up to the bar/club with girls on your arms, and how to be like Dan Bilzerian, or bragging about how much time you spend on the internet churning out posts some of us are actually playing the game of life and making progress towards our goals while you continue to spin your wheels.

As for me having ulterior motives, haha well Hue hit the bullseye. You claim that this was a thread to be positive and where everyone could be vulnerable and open, and you turned that into another latest edition of “Pastor Oh Pry” psychologist authority figure and on top of that never participated yourself. So, don’t accuse me of negativity or derailing the thread after you clearly did that yourself.

I can refrain from participating in your threads, so that you don’t get your panties in a bunch when someone points out a criticism. But if I see you being an asshole like you did with Chrance or berate Protean like you did the other week (which as Hue agreed is unacceptable and was shocked it went unnoticed), or if you try to make baseless accusations about me that clearly are false, then I’ll put an arrow in you

 

[Teevster]

I have zero regret for what I said or did on this thread, take that for what you will.

Time for some introspection.

 

[Lover]

@Oh Pry

There are different (better) ways to give great advice and different (better) ways to address something that is not clear. My suggestion was one of those better ways because 1) it shows tact and maturity (@Hue mentioned something similar), and 2) you aim to cooperate with the people you're helping, not to aimlessly teach people things they might not really care about (such as ivy league schools and whatnot). Some people like you might not care much about how you give advice, you might think whatever you put out there is a treasure. But my experience tells me that majority of people do care about how they give and receive advice. - in other words, what the treasure is for the receiving part.

I mean, if a tribal elder told you "Look rookie, know your place, girls don't really care about culture and social status when it comes to hookups or relationships. They care about fundamentals, confidence and the way you carry yourself. Go to a fucking ward already, and get some help for your limiting beliefs bro. Stop fucking arguing with me". Would you take his advice? NO you wouldn't, for two reasons. 1) you care a great deal about culture and social status, more than he does, and 2) the bold parts are completely unnecessary. Does he seem trustworthy if he has to say things like that? No way. He's just being an ass in the way he's telling you to fuck off. And you might question his credibility. (Hint) Delete all the bold parts, and with more details and actionable steps, his piece of advice would look much better. Not only is the advice good, and you can't help but feel a little bit of connection to this guy.

If you have zero regrets for anything you wrote in this thread after you were called out, good for you. I also had zero regrets when I was being patronizing and put people in their place (in real life). Yeah, it gave me some satisfaction knowing I "won" against them. I won the battles, but I slowly realized I was losing long term. I was pushing people away instead of pulling them over to my side. You know what the end result is? You end up ostracizing yourself instead of creating connections, friendships and alliances. This is just how social dynamics work, nothing PC about this.

If you can live with that consequence, be my guest. I know that I couldn't. And for someone like you who cares a great deal about status and reputation, I have a hard time believing this is what you want.

Best of luck

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

So my suspicion was correct, @The Emerald Archer has a vendetta and as I said, he's added almost nothing of value to this forum. Now to play forum vigilante? Give me a fucking break, get a hobby and fix your shitshow of a life before making any threat against me or calling yourself a "real man". This is all you get by the way, my 4 lines to your soapbox of a novel about how bad of a person I am. Oh mods help us, Oh Pry is such a scumbag, pllleeeassse, I have to put these underwear over my jeans right now and can't seem to find my cape. Moooommm where did you put it!

I am not changing my attitude and the mods can do with that as they please, even if it means a permanent ban.

You see, I have invested years into this game making approaches, having painful nights from rejection, having great nights I shared with the folks on here, and taking action until something worked. I have written about countless approaches, lays, and interactions with women to the point that members come on my reports to thank me and PM me to ask for advice, some saying how much I have inspired them. In all those years, I rarely cared about forum drama or what a senior forum member who put in his work could improve on. I was the last one in that situation to give them advice let alone call them names.

I do whine at times and have my breakdowns where I need help, at times I am annoying as shit, but I took more than enough action to improve my life and my circumstances. Read the field reports and in those years, I never initiated an attack or name-called any member, I argued with them if they attacked me (aka with Hector) but I never went at them first.

So when anyone is relatively new, has not taken that much action, and is spending most of their time having debates with senior members about politics and offtopic shit, it kinda annoys me. When that same guy somehow decides they can call senior member names? I am not showing them an ounce of respect, I am calling that shit out for what it is. I never got the types who want to stir the pot and start drama by attacking others in the first place but when they are not even taking any action to improve themselves or their own lives, they need a harsh reality check and I'll give it to them.

Skills has called me a KJ and Velasco even called me a pussy, I didn't attack them. Why? As much as I have moments when I cannot stand their asses, they have earned my respect by paying their dues, putting in the work out there in the field, and proving that they are serious about this shit.

 

[The Emerald Archer]

So my suspicion was correct, @The Emerald Archer has a vendetta and as I said, he's added almost nothing of value to this forum. Now to play forum vigilante?

(Sigh) The arrow bit was a joke hence the wink at the end… it wasn’t meant to be taken literally smh. Perhaps if you had decent social awareness you might’ve gotten that joke.

I have news for you Oh Pry: you’re not important enough to me to warrant a vendetta. And I don't have time to play forum vigilante, I'm too busy playing life. You should try it sometime.

Like I said before, I don’t need the mods because I can handle you myself. And why would I want you to get banned? You’re hilarious entertainment. It’s funny as hell to see your attempts at comebacks like this right here:

Oh mods help us, Oh Pry is such a scumbag, pllleeeassse, I have to put these underwear over my jeans right now and can't seem to find my cape. Moooommm where did you put it!

Hahah that makes no sense at all lmao but this is what I mean, great entertainment. It’s like laughing when the socially awkward dude at the party says something. You laugh not because he’s funny in a cool way, but because he’s so cringey you can’t help but laugh your ass off. Thanks for the chuckle dude.

Give me a fucking break, get a hobby and fix your shitshow of a life before making any threat against me or calling yourself a "real man".

You really should practice what you preach. I mean… have you read any of your posts lately?

• I had a weak foundation and not sure what I want out of life anymore
• Enjoying the party demon after 30 if you have money.
• Handling inner game/mental aspect of going for girls you want despite unfavorable circumstances.
• How unique my case is and wanting to slay into older age
• Using game and meeting women to grow social life, status and community. Crazy?
• "Cool" girls and high status women as they age.
• Being the guy that brings girls to events and out with him.
• Outside of Dan Bilzerian, what other older men are breaking the mold?
• The healthy way to think about race and ethnicity as a guy.

As evidenced by the same posts that are rehashed, it seems like you're struggling to fix these same issues and get what you want in your life. Does this sound like someone who has any business telling someone to fix their life…?

I never got the types who want to stir the pot and start drama by attacking others in the first place but when they are not even taking any action to improve themselves or their own lives, they need a harsh reality check and I'll give it to them.

Riiiiiight because you didn’t just attack Chrance in this thread and instigate drama and negativity with your ivy league/sophisticated comments.

On top of that you still haven’t provided a shred of evidence to prove that I try to stir the pot with you, or that indicates that I have a previous vendetta against you. You’re just dodging and evading because you can’t back up your claims, because they’re completely false.

I’ll take your continued evasion and dodging, and failing to provide evidence that backs up your claims about me to mean that you don’t have a legitimate argument and that we can move on.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Man, for someone who sees this shit as a joke, you sure as hell seem to invest a lot of research and lecturing on this.

 

[Velasco]

Damn.

You didn't have to do it to em like that @The Emerald Archer

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Damn.

You didn't have to do it to em like that @The Emerald Archer

Whoa watch it, you might get 5 more paragraphs out of em!

 

[Teevster]

This thread is leading to nothing productive other than a shit-storm. As a moderator, it is not my role to act as a judge in this debate. My role is to keep this place clean of conflicts and allow for a smooth discussion. This thread works against the interest of all.

I will close this thread for now. It may be reopened if the mods find good reasons to. For now, until further notice this thread is closed.

 

[Mike Silvertree]

Oh Pry,

1) I agree with everything Hue said.

2)The behavior you exhibited in this thread is toxic to this community and is not going to be tolerated. You need to chill the fuck out. You post loads of introspective navel gazing crap, and are in no position to be hyper critical of other people's posts. Most of yours suck. There was nothing wrong with the posts you criticized. And the criticism was not constructive, but rather, it was mean spirited and condescending. We are not going to put up with any more of this style of posting.

You now have had multiple Moderators and Administrators respond negativly to your behavior here. Unless you are completely clueless, you will take this as a sign that you are skating on thin ice, and change your behavior.