Just like 2016, I asked again for help

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What the fuck is going on?

In 2016, I was shocked when Trump won. I got amazing answers from GC.

Today, I ask again. Why did Biden 'magically' got votes? I can understand if Biden wins because people do vote anti Trump. That doesn't explain enough the increase votes from minorities.

you guys have sources beside theblaze, The daily wire, Toxic CNN, the washington post?

I want to kinda know what is going on.

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i explained why trump won https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/o...-president-being-polirizing-and-asshole-works


The style works until you over do it, (i do that style) but when you over do it (i am guilty as well) it totally backfires... And that did trump un doing he was uncalibrated...


here is by pure evil rip why he lost:

What do you expect me to say?

At a raw level, polarization is great. All polarization isn't equal though, as usual its about the CONTENT of the polarization, not polarization itself.

To use the Trump example, polarizing angry fearful white people against blacks, latinos, and muslims, using falsehoods and lies, so that they fearfully come out to vote in record numbers never before seen to the point of not needing to win ANY other demographic's majority vote, is negative and irresponsible polarization in the context of a presidential election. NO ELECTION IN HISTORY has been even close to this negative and devisive, thanks to Trump's choice of polarization tactics.

He didn't polarize the majority of the US to come together against a common enemy (like Bush in 2001, though he had a bit of external help there.) 2001 is an example of POSITIVE and unifying polarization. Trump's brand of polarization is a dumb or inner-game-issue man's use of polarization, Trump is very good at operating successfully at a lowest common denominator level, by various forms of exploitation (his business is built on expliotation and profit off of failure, as was his campaign). He won, but at what cost to every demographic in the US but whites? Winning isn't everything, HOW YOU WIN also matters.

So. . . polarization in general. . great stuff! Polarizing in some holier-than-thou or "I'm better than you" or "pit them against a boogie man" way is weak and ultimately poor for the greater good. It did no good for BD to go around shitting on everyone else with different relationship preferences than him, that's inner-game-issue polarization. Like Money Mateo, I took on the fight against that bullshit. This is the error that bothers me when it comes to polarizing types, when the polarization is fed by overcompensation of obvious inner game issues.
 

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Thanks Guys.

I appreciate the links. I hope more people share so I can understand.

One of my biggest mistakes on Trump is that if Biden wins, and this should propel Girlschase and everyone who is running a business.
My mistake was that I am thinking from an experienced customer. I was not in an echo chamber but more of not aware that there's different types of people/customers. The fact is that at any moment in time, there's always the masses. The masses are the ones that are not informed. They don't care about what happened before. They only see today, from their perspective.

Every guy tries to get every girl they meet into sex rightaway. Not saying that it's not possible.

If Biden wins, which I have a doubt, I still win, personally. Because I learnt this lesson and i hope me sharing this helps anyone, really.

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Thanks Guys.

I appreciate the links. I hope more people share so I can understand.

One of my biggest mistakes on Trump is that if Biden wins, and this should propel Girlschase and everyone who is running a business.
My mistake was that I am thinking from an experienced customer. I was not in an echo chamber but more of not aware that there's different types of people/customers. The fact is that at any moment in time, there's always the masses. The masses are the ones that are not informed. They don't care about what happened before. They only see today, from their perspective.

Every guy tries to get every girl they meet into sex rightaway. Not saying that it's not possible.

If Biden wins, which I have a doubt, I still win, personally. Because I learnt this lesson and i hope me sharing this helps anyone, really.

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The Republicans won (senate and sits in congress), people in usa just got tired of trump (his lack of calibration)... Biden won't be able to do much, the republicans control senate, supreme court, and they gain in congress (republicans won, republicans did not even want trump themselves in the insight)...

Trump handling of corona (public perception) was horrible... Covid was the biggest story of the campaign and his un doing...

For seduction avoid talking politics, bodily movements, and religuion with women or social circles.... (my girlfriends do not know my politicals or religuios leaning) they know about seduction cause is hard to hide...
 

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Trump handling of corona (public perception) was horrible... Covid

Exactly. The majority of the customers only see today.

The masses.

people in usa just got tired of trump (his lack of calibration)... Biden won't be able to do much, the republicans control senate, supreme court, and they gain in congress (republicans won, republicans did not even want trump themselves in the insight)...

Yea. This one. :( There's a lot of truth in this one.

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Trump was/is a player but again in seduction he went uncalibrated...

when he won, he was charistmatic, charming, polirizing, trollish, funny etc... in a good way that got him elected BUT

Biden who is a corpse with 0 charisma went 60 yoc.... Quiet, silent, charming, lay low, push pull what is funny is when hillary did this it totally did not work, cause the timing was not right and she went overconfident.... Again calibration...
 

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Trump handling of corona (public perception) was horrible... Covid was the biggest story of the campaign and his un doing...
His mistake was that he saw it for what it was. Bullshit. And didnt fall it like other countries who's leaders got praised for listening to China:

Covid was ultimately the tool they used to provide plausible deniability for the fake mail in ballots. At this point, all we can do is wait and see if the courts will reverse the decision.
 

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What was interesting is that you didn't see Dems win in the Senate and House. The hypothesis was that the Dems polarized their base with the social progressive agenda (key words like defund the police, socialism, etc). This could explain the shift in latino voters going for Trump.

More specifically, Cubans and Venezuelans are sensitive to the social progressive agenda because of experiences back home. People like AOC are getting a lot of media attention these past few years, which might have polarized these latinos.

To relate this to PUA, the politicians need to calibrate like Skills mentioned. What are the people feeling? Why vote Biden and not vote Dem for the whole ballot?

Andrew Yang put it well: That the policing of cultural policies is not the lower classes' concerns.
 

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I actually posted this on YouTube.

Someone was angry and ran around YouTube fighting the fraud case for Biden. So I posted this and he was agreeable.
so here was what I posted. You guys tell me where I'm wrong. I am afterall, a foreigner. At least I can be aware of.

"Take away the hyperbole,

Let's say we take the only obvious ones. I been observing from Nov 4. The 'sudden' rise numbers of votes for Joe Biden at wee hours in the morning. The photos of vote counting areas being closed off. 4 states 'suddenly' flip blue, and not one flip to Trump. The complete lack of reporting for a few hours on Nov 4. All mail ballots are Biden? Like really? Not even 10-90 or 30-70%.

Lastly, Biden spoke as if he is already President-elect, and everyone in the media, never says anything while Trump ask for a recount and the news media paint it badly.
Anyway, this is one man point of view, but many noted along the same opinion as mine.

And I am a foreigner. Even I can see something is amiss. So yea. How do you want to make another half of the US believe that there is not potential voter fraud/extra votes?

Especially when you make the sitting President discredit 'White Supremacy' every other week.
Common man :) LOLX"

I messed around and ease the tension
with the Joe Biden's infamous line. Haha!


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@Skills the corona fear was manufactured by liberals and msm precisely to get Trump on his heels and out of office. The only rational response Trump could have given, but would have been politically incorrect to say, is: “This is a flu, like any other. Everyone is going to get it. Let’s move on to other actual problems.” But people’s fears of catching a cold has been riled up by constant framing of msm. People, including myself, don’t notice a frame is being cast on them when it happens.

Notice joe never gave any clear answers on what he’d do for anything - corona, green deal, National unity, etc. But he doesn’t need to give answers, and he never needed supporters or an actual base, because the election was going to be rigged regardless thanks to mail in voting and shitty voting practices.

Some could say “well Trump should’ve figured out a PC way around the corona frame”. Lol. It is the citizens that got seduced by it and it is the citizens who voted against Trump on the basis of “well he didn’t give a PC response, so let’s go with the opposing party”. Now we all get to pay the price of people voting based off fear of a cold. There is no such thing as proper handling of a world-wide delusion.
 

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People like AOC are getting a lot of media attention these past few years, which might have polarized these latinos.

AOC is like the amplified evil version of Girlschase during college years. That superficial narcissist game with a straight face.

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There is no such thing as proper handling of a world-wide delusion

Funny. Once I get people to this argument, no one really argued with me on it.
Important, I didn't corner them like a mofo. I was really having conversations with people, on the handling of the pandemic.

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@Skills the corona fear was manufactured by liberals and msm precisely to get Trump on his heels and out of office. The only rational response Trump could have given, but would have been politically incorrect to say, is: “This is a flu, like any other. Everyone is going to get it. Let’s move on to other actual problems.” But people’s fears of catching a cold has been riled up by constant framing of msm. People, including myself, don’t notice a frame is being cast on them when it happens.

Notice joe never gave any clear answers on what he’d do for anything - corona, green deal, National unity, etc. But he doesn’t need to give answers, and he never needed supporters or an actual base, because the election was going to be rigged regardless thanks to mail in voting and shitty voting practices.

Some could say “well Trump should’ve figured out a PC way around the corona frame”. Lol. It is the citizens that got seduced by it and it is the citizens who voted against Trump on the basis of “well he didn’t give a PC response, so let’s go with the opposing party”. Now we all get to pay the price of people voting based off fear of a cold. There is no such thing as proper handling of a world-wide delusion.
The no PC response got him elected, he lost it cause he was uncalibrated, did you see the first debate
 

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was uncalibrated, did you see the first debate

I know this for Chrance but he was "off" man. Uncalibrated.

Sidenote: If there is voter fraud/extras, and let's say Trump wins, do we really want him to win?
It's like a father needing to take her daughter's handphone because tomorrow she got school and it's already 1am.

It's minor. It's easy to just let it be, but eventually it will just be a monster. I'm ambivalent because even this post, if I don't offer the next state, ppl get angry.

the 21th century problem where the next state is something everyone doesn't know. Thus Wokeness is replacing the religion for the natural mental emptiness.

okay too far. Cut. :)

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he lost it cause he was uncalibrated, did you see the first debate
....yet he was in the lead on the night of the election before ((they)) decided to stop counting/mail in votes showed up?
 
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Trump has plenty of blame to absorb on his end for sure, but let's not pretend that the "Deep State" or "Swamp" or whatever you prefer to call them didn't have it out for Trump from the very beginning.

I'll admit, I wanted Trump to win and if there hadn't been any shenanigans or mail-in-ballot catastrophe and Biden won, then I wouldn't have a problem with it because I believe in the following of a process.

If you guys don't already, I'd recommend following Scott Adams's channel on YouTube every morning (and his Twitter account). For those who don't know, he's the Dilbert guy. But easily the most balanced thinker of all the Political Pundits. He does lean Trump, but is excellent at not falling into the typical trap of picking a side and consuming all the sensationalism and propaganda from that party (right or left).

For the record, Scott Adams was one of the few people to predict Trump's election back in 2015.

people in usa just got tired of trump (his lack of calibration)

I really don't think so @Skills. Trump gained voters in every demographic except white men (who are most likely the Soyboys, Snowflakes, and White Knights/cucks. The left can have those guys imo).

~68 million people voted for Trump and the GOP. Not to mention the middle finger to the Democrats (especially the Progressive Left) by people voting GOP. That doesn't sound like people getting sick and tired of Trump to me.

Check this article out:

And I highly doubt that people voted Republican because of the other GOP politicians. They like Trump, because Trump is the poster boy for the GOP. You think people voted GOP because they like folks like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham?

They're your typical establishment politicians who are friends with all the Democrats and who are all cutting deals together when the cameras are off. I think Lindsey was spewing some bullshit the other day, after he won re-election, about how we need to "get involved" or "help rebuild the Middle East" for fuck's sake. I still need to verify this, so don't quote me yet. But it wouldn't surprise me in the least.


Chase was right, both in his newsletter last month about voting and in this thread from Christmastime 2019:

But the WSJ and the NYT have the same opinions on foreign policy. They both think largely the same things about Syria, Hong Kong, Venezuela.

They both have the same positions on big business. Each occasionally does exposés, typically on things that were about to erupt anyway and they wanted to get out ahead of the story and be the ones on the leading edge, but in general they are both very pro-big business.

It is worth looking at the nature of their attacks on specific big businesses, too. The NYT went hard after Facebook, because Facebook was blamed for not doing enough to stop Donald Trump's rise to the presidency. Google has far worse privacy violations than Facebook, overall, but the NYT has left them alone because Google came out and had meetings where the executives specifically asked how they can stop a guy like Trump from getting elected again... while on the other side of things, Mark Zuckerberg's attitude was basically "Hey, don't look at me!"

In general though, aside from when they are going after specific companies for specific reasons, both publications are extremely pro-big business.

Both maintain the same line that the economy is doing very well (it isn't. Real wages are down since 1980. And job growth at 200K or under per month, which is what is has been since the recession, is not good. Long-term unemployed is higher than ever, and there has been zero employment growth whatsoever for American citizens since the year 2000 -- the number of jobs held by Americans has actually deteriorated since 2000).

They're all on the same team, and all serve the same masters.

The news media is entertainment. Different papers pick a side: "I despise the Bad Orange Man! This man is an evil racist hater who is setting back progress!" "I support the Blessed Orange Man! This man is a beneficent savior who is sole bulwark against the collapse of Western civilization!" and then people, depending on their political persuasion, decide to read this or that paper, whichever one makes them feel more intelligent and better aligns with how they line up on social issues.

Meanwhile, they get fed the same exact messages on the most important issues: the world needs American soldiers to help install democracy; no leader is democratically elected unless he supports the American regime; it is okay for multinational companies to do anything they want, because they are not the government; we need as many immigrants as we can, and we should not be screening or limiting these people, because (conservative: we need more workers | liberal: it is morally wrong to exclude anyone, for any reason [except for a few kinds of people liberals despise, who should always be excluded]); religion is sort of irrelevant, because everyone should be happy living the perfect consumerist lifestyle and buying more things from the multinational companies and supporting the economy; the economy is the most important thing, humans exist to serve the economy; the banks are very, very good and we should make sure we support them at every turn, even if that means heavily taxing the lower classes to pay for banking scams; and so on and so forth.

The only thing news media disagree on is irrelevant social issues that cause a lot of outrage.

Meanwhile, they are in complete agreement about all the real levers of power, and present a unified narrative to their readership on these fronts.

Let the public fight about circus sideshows, and keep them blind to the conversations going on in the halls of power.

It is all propaganda.


But yeah, I think we all got front-row seats in watching just how powerful Big Tech and the MSM is and their ability to manipulate information and "control" people's minds. This is nothing new (at least to me), but the degree to which this has happened has been astonishing.

Just look at Trump's Twitter account over the past few days and how many of his tweets got censored. This is a sitting President of the United States and a candidate in this race and they're censoring him like that?!

Curious to see what happens to Big Tech in the next few months, because they can't hide it anymore (I don't even think they care about hiding it at this point, they just want the Orange Man out of office).

Anyways, here are some articles I bookmarked over the past few days if you guys want to check them out:

UPDATE:

A couple of tweets from Cernovich (anyone remember him?) to expand upon everything here regarding Trump and the GOP

 
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