This has gotten interesting...
Z Vaunswa said:
When they fail to answer these questions correctly, they lose the girl, and again it's not because of there status but it's because they just don't know how to progress with women.
Now, on to a real life example. If you want to compare solid game stats vs. frat game stats then I'll cite a few examples.
1) I'm in college, and I have 13 lays (within a year) under my belt, with 11 of those girls being college girls. (non frat game) vs. 6 lays within a year by the president of the frat at my friend Josh's college campus in Loyola where the ratio of girls to guys is 3:1.
2) My friend Matt who practiced non-frat game amassed 10 lays (and numerous more escalations) vs. 3 lays by my frat friend in Chicago at a campus where the ratio of girls to guys is 1.5:1
On average, a college man regardless of being in a frat or not will usually do about 4 new lays a year whereas a man who practices solid game can get as many lays as he wants.
So basically, having solid game is the backbone behind "perceived status" and is the actual backbone behind new lays. Solid game itself is composed of fundamentals.
Just chiming in
-Richard
I agree with the fundamentals -> perceived status argument, obviously. But, we're talking simple math here. Your game + President status of a frat, and you backload your shit with authority, assertiveness, and popularity. I'm currently president of my fraternity and it's given me some ins and boosted attraction before.
Utilize social status in college by letting it come from others.
- I was talking to a girl at the gym and she asked me what frat I'm in (I baited her by inviting her to a fraternity party). The guy in our group conversation butted in once I revealed my fraternity, "Yeah, and he's president!" She looked up immediately and said "El presidente, huh?", giving me a seductive look.
- Upon meeting a lot of new people, they respond "Oh yeah, I know you. I hear your name come up a lot." I usually respond with a laugh and "Oh? Is that a good thing?" They usually just say "yeah! You're involved with a lot in this school."
If you don't have game it obviously won't do much for you, but
it's male authority and it supercharges your game.
So status is not necessary, but it is very helpful.
That president just isn't as good as you, Richard
T Vaunswa said:
if you are good enough like anatman appears to be it can help your abilities by pre selection. but again if the shotgun approaching continues and you get bad results on those approaches this advantage will quickly dwindle down any preselection. How you should go about college game is to select your target based on signals of interest and rely on situational opens and things I have outlined in my college game post.
I'm still dealing with my reputation issues, but they have calmed down. A friend has notified me that several girls approached her about me, and she reported that so far I'm still in safe territory, but it could tip over into "he's that aggressive playboy; if you're talking to him, he's probably trying to fuck you" realm. My solution?
Mix in some more indirect game and in super populated social situations play some shy game. It'll throw some curveballs to my critics and intrigue the curious.
That being said, if you're at a big school, cut your teeth with some direct day game. Don't go TOO crazy with it (space them out temporally and geographically), but don't be afraid of bad reputation, either. If you're at the intermediate/advanced level, have fun with it and see what happens.
So, I agree with Tool; it depends on your skill level.
Z Vaunswa said:
For you, it'd be much better to go indirect-direct (which I hate....), or go situational-direct (which I also use). With undergrad girls, you'll have to "have a reason" to talk to them in the first place (which sucks), and make it a situation where you two "stumbled into one another," then found a common interest in making lemon meringue pie =P
Marty, give it a few more tries implementing the knowledge you gain here. If you see no noticeable change in results, go with Richard's route.
Marty said:
Anatman,
Can you describe the "fratstar intellectual asshole who dresses like a GQ model" look/vibe in a little more detail? I think you do better with undergrads than practically anyone I've seen on this forum... wondering if I can gradually incorporate elements of that style in the coming weeks/months.
Interested to hear your description. And yes, your elucidation of the reactions you get from girls and what that says about their level of attraction was helpful and interesting, but it's something I'll probably save for later when I'm a bit further progressed.
Planning to hit the campus tomorrow lunchtime and see if I can crack this nut
or at least get a feel for how hard it is
-Marty
I appreciate the compliments, Marty! =D
"GQ Look"
The look is just anything classy/saavy like this.
Or just look at any outfit that Express could put together.
Vibe
- The vibe is ultra sexual and super cocky.
Fratstar aspect
- You give girls a lot of "are you fucking stupid?" expressions (i.e., "skeptical" if you want to tone it down).
- You want to laugh at a lot, especially at things that nobody finds funny. I'm deeply fascinated by logic and laugh anytime someone commits a blatant fallacy - in class today I lost my shit when one guy was arguing against prostitution by appealing to feminist ideology (e.g., "patriarchy and the aggressive male sex drive should be tempered"). No one else laughed, but I got some looks of intrigue. They wonder "what does that guy know that I don't?"
- Related to this, you also make people laugh a lot. When I was still a fucking dweeb, I was always the class clown (up until late high school), so comedy is a specialty of mine. Edge out "clown" with "sexy" and "cocky" and you become "that cocky asshole who will probably tease me all night, but I still want to fuck him."
- Make sure most of your humor is sexual (I went back and forth with a girl last night who has a boyfriend for like 10 minutes. Never once did I seem creepy and she even consented to me slapping her ass; I even joked that me and her boyfriend should double team her). If you want the master of this,
you need no one but the magnificent Tucker Max. If you've never read his material (he labeled the genre "fratire"), then you should. He's one of my heroes and probably my primary influence in breaking out of my shy shell in high school.
Intellectual
- The intellectual Byronic characteristic then softens that "I shouldn't like him" notion lots of girls get when you inevitably dip into jerk territory.
- It also enables you to deep dive well, because, you think about shit a lot. You have responses for pretty much any issue, thus you can relate to anyone (rather than game that is suited for specific niches). It gives you depth (let this characteristic come out slowly and only if she deserves it).
E.g., I gave a persuasive speech in class today entitled "You Should Try A Non-Monogamous Relationship For 3 Months" (which I'll be posting the Powerpoint for shortly). Everyone loved it and a girl even complimented me after class, saying "You know, I thought you were gonna half-ass it and just make fun of everyone, but you made some really good points." She then chased me and continued to compliment. I'm thinking of fucking her
She's like a 7 and already knows what I'm about, so it should be easy.
E.g., in that same class, when I challenged the guy speaking about why prostitution should remain illegal, I whipped out some neuroscience, inductive logic (causation vs correlation), and knowledge of feminist criticism (which I lambasted. I've studied it A LOT).
Combine all of this with a calm mind that can ignite at any second with fratlike behavior (e.g., yelling and "bro-ing" out occasionally), and you have a deadly fucking combination (right now I'm still trying to regain some of the asshole-edge I lost while I was cultivating warmth and vulnerability).
Hope this helps, Marty! It will definitely increase your success rates with undergrads.
