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LRx2/FR+: Terror in Miami

Mr.Rob

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Hey gentlemen I just got back from Miami and pimped fucking hard. I can feel the progress I made and have new found inspiration to go out and rule Orlando.

I went to Miami for the RSD Winter Summit. It was an extremely awesome experience to be surrounded by the top dudes in the field of seduction as well as having the opportunity to network with some extremely ambitious and talented seducers in the audience. If you get the chance to go I highly recommend going to an RSD program (Free tour, Hot Seat, Or Winter/World Summit) as you will learn a lot, get to see some of the best infield pickup footage in the world, and get the opportunity to meet some really on point people (and avoid the not so on point people haha).

I will say that RSD is a bit "cultish". On Saturday of Summit they did the Hotseat Transformational experience with live exercises where they break the entire 200 people in the room into groups. Then each member in each group takes turns dancing, jumping, and expressing themselves in whatever way they possibly want with the goal to feel what it's like to be truly free from the binds of social pressure. Well this is cool and all but then you turn around and the next thing you know you see 3 RSD dudes sandwiched between one another dry humping on the floor...

Yeah that's a random sample of the RSD crowd for you... 25% really solid on top of it dudes, 25% theory junkies that have watched every RSD video that average 20 approaches per year, 25% that go out regularly yet aimlessly and never improve, and another 25% that attend with the gun barrel in their mouth with hopes that the RSD seminar will change their mind on pulling the trigger to end their existence.

Nonetheless a great experience.

So each day I go to seminar and hear top notch seducers speak about their top insights in seduction as well as see their best video infield. You leave each night super inspired to hit it hard and shake shit up.

Here is each of the three report in chronological order of each night. The first report is pretty funny and details my role play with an more "senior woman" (29 yrs.) portraying her as my mother. The second report details my finding a cute yet petite Asian girl about my age and how I pulled her, her friend, and a random wing from the club back to my place (details strong leading and dealing with logistics on the fly). The last report is the third night in which I did not get laid but get very close on a night where I had almost zero energy and a formerly rough start.

Each report is from the same bar/club in Miami South Beach called "Mangoes". This is a great spot to go if you're on a budget in South Beach ($5 cover vs. typical $30-80 cover on the average Miami clubs). Also note that this place is about a 5 minute walk to where I was staying and thus had great logistics.

I've made effort to outline each report notably so you can skip to whichever report you most desire and browse through.

Enjoy!

LR: Incest with My Mother

I'm taking in the scene at this "Mangoes" bar, propped up comfortably against the bar, my gaze adrift into the club lights.

I'm still pissed off where at this shitty club (this was before I liked the bar better) and I keep thinking to myself that no matter what, any girl I see that I want is mine because I'm by far the highest value guy in the venue.

I had hopes of being in Story or Liv nightclub partying it up with some of the more talented seducers I met at Summit earlier that day but didn't have the budget to afford it. Oh well better to focus on the moment and enjoy myself.

As soon as I tell myself this I look to my right and a thick legged Latina woman with a tight dress on is tapping on my chest to ask me a question.

Her: "Where are you from?"

This girl is with a few friends that aren't nearly as attractive and have been bobbing around the back corner of the bar where we were situated now for a while. They've been talking to a few quite elder gentlemen now in between as well one aged about 45 and the other aged about 55, both unattractive. The 45 year old has been talking to the girl that just opened me the most.

Her: Where are you from?
Me: My mom and dad... (Sly smile)
Her: Shut up! You're terrible! haha
Me: You're probably right. Who the fuck are you?
Her: I'm Tamantha
Me: (I pull her closer into me so I can talk directly into her ear) I'm Robert

We start chatting, I meet her friends, and I find out they're all out for a bachelorette party to celebrate they're friend getting married. I tell them their bachelorette accessories suck and I'm very unimpressed. They laugh and I think my girl slaps my chest for being obnoxious.

She then asks me my age. I tell her to guess.

Her: I'm going to guess you're 28
Me: (In my head I'm thinking whaaaa??? Thanks!) Ah shit! You're going to leave me for the vultures now...

Note I'm purposely disqualifying myself in an effort for her to hopefully reach out on a limb and save me with the implication women do not prefer young men. Also note that I delivered this statement with a noticeable lack of care and indifference for if she did leave me because of my age. She knows I don't care about the outcome of this interaction.

Her: No! I wont leave you, age is just a number!

So here she's qualifying her beliefs and investing in my by telling me she's not going to leave me which is exactly what I was hoping for when I said this line.
A lot of guys when they say this (and I still do) will do it the wrong way and instead get a "no it's okay! you shouldn't be insecure about your age." So shoot for doing the former.

Me: Try and guess again for fun!
Her: 25
Me: I'm 22
Her: Oh my god! I'm like old enough to be your mom :O
Me: Nice to meet you Mom. This is going to be an awesome incestuous relationship
Her: hahaha oh my god
Me: Seriously what do you think our child is going to look like? It's going to be mentally retarded but it'll be worth it girl.
Her: (slaps my chest) No! haha.... (in shock)
Me: Yeah we're going to have to move to Mississippi where this shits legal. Here I know a bus that's leaving there now we can catch it if we leave now. (grab hand to lead her away from her peer group)

So were joking about this silly role play and how I'm going to impregnate my mother. Throughout this time I'm pulling her in close to me, wrapping my arm around her lower back and pulling her into me tightly.

We go and chat to my friend Luis who is chatting it up with another girl I pushed a girl onto him that wasn't going to well for me earlier. I introduce her to Luis and chat with the other friend again and we make a mini party. They're all laughing and hanging out and I kind of watch the three of them chat it up and hang off to the sidelines for a minute.

Mixing Shit Up
Then this blonde German girl I isolated earlier and moved around the club with walks by and I pull her into me in hopes that she'd see my pre-selection and flip around for me but she pats me on the shoulder and keeps walking. I wave at her dismissively with a mocking look of disgust on my face (jokingly acting here).

I turn back to my girl who is briefly got a glimpse of what just happened and is intrigued to make me hers but at the same time on the verge of auto-rejection in fear I'm going to throw her away for another girl.

I pull her back into me and resume conversation where we were and take things a bit more personal and connect with her so that I can rid her notion of auto-rejection and build investment into me.

We're leaning against the bar holding hands and talking and her friends and the old 45 year old dude that was with her group originally that I mentioned starts talking to her. I continue holding her hand as she faces the dude but not with the strength of holding onto her hand in a needy way (hard to describe that lol).

I'm leaning up right next to my wing and his girl so I see this come up and I know that I'm waaaaaaayyyy better than the competition here so I see no threat and I merely give a bored look, turn my face away from the girl and the competition talking, and chat my wing and his girl up while still holding her hand.

She doesn't let go and after about 2 minutes I see the dude kind of give up for the time being and go back to the main group of friends to where my girl reengages me.

We keep talking and I tell her we should go grab a nightcap together since the club is about to close and go spend time outside this shitty club. She agrees and I tell her we're going now she agrees but tells me she needs to tell her friends first.

I say "great idea let's go tell them now" and take her hand and lead her over to her friends.

Destroy the Dude, lead the day
We get to her friends and she's informing them of her decision. You know the typical girl talk jazz.

Well right as soon as she's done telling her girlfriends of her decision the old ass 45 year old dude (who I still have no idea of his relationship to the group) comes back up and starts chatting her up again and is apparently quite excited at himself for having the balls to come into our interaction yet again. However to my astonishment the girl the is entertaining him like he's actually cool.

No this guy is not going to derail this shit.

I take her hand that is closest to me

Me: Hey Tamantha! Fuck this old dick we're leaving. Come!

I say this in a very dominant and commanding way. I am not reacting to this guy but am merely communicating my boundary with her that I'm not going to waste my time here and I don't give a shit about her relationship with this old dude.

She complies readily to my leadership and I quickly lead her away from him and the friends... I look back and the guy has a sincerely sad look on his face as he comes into grips that some 22 year old horny shithead just took away the girl he bought multiple rounds of shots for.

We start walking towards my apartment (air BNB) and we keep up our motherly son incest role play we have going on making plenty of obnoxious and obscene jokes.

We get up in my apartment and before we enters she says

Her: My friend just texted me we're going to have to make this a quickie

Haha got to love older women! Tell it like it is right?

So we get in the apartment, I get her to take her shoes off, and I go pull her into the bedroom. She puts up no last minute resistance and I start railing her out pretty hard. We both get to climax and right after we both cum I say:

Me: I love you mother ;)

Aftermath
It turns out this girl hadn't had sex in over a year and my taking her home that night was the highlight of her year so far. I was happy to be of service ;)

Also I got the back story on the 45 year old guy chasing her around at the bar and it turns out that he was their waiter at the restaurant that they went to earlier when the got dinner and was flirting with her the whole night and persistently talked them into going to Mangoes with them. They relented and he'd been trying to get with her all night but she wasn't too sold on him.

When I was walking her home later that night to her apartment she told me how much she liked it when I cut him off and led her out of the situation.

So the lesson is make sure you do not withhold sex from women because you never know how bad they need your dick and don't be afraid to X-out a dude in your way... it might make her night!

LR: I Hate Mangoes

This is night two of my trip to Miami. This was a Thursday and I promised myself after the previous night that I would never return to Mangoes again. We made a pretty critical decision to go out to a legit South Beach spot.

So at seminar Derek introduced me to a few more of his past alumni and we decided we were going to go to Story nightclub, one of the hottest places in South Beach.... well typically :/

So we chose unwisely.

The DJ of the night was A$AP Rocky. Which I personally do not hate his music but the crowd that was attracted this night was sub-par and ghetto as fuck. I did meet one of the hottest girls on the dance floor and have her on me quite easily (gorgeous gorgeous blonde bombshell) but the friends fucking drug her away after about 10 minutes of us hanging out and leading her around.

After this I hit up probably 15 more girls and having a pretty slow night. The club was really dead that night for Story and the place was infested with RSD dudes so we burned the club down pretty fast.

We get out of the club probably around 2 AM and were thinking of where to go next. Someone suggests Mangoes.

"Surely their must be somewhere else open and close by!"

The group wanted to go and I did admit it had the best logistical situation out of any other option.

Back to Mangoes

So I get in the club again and the first thing I do is watch my buddy approach a pretty hot girl in high heels and a dress. I then look over to my left and see RSDJulien looking pretty crazy and in his head looking off into space about 10 feet away. It was a pretty weird sight to see that I had to double take. I'm so used to seeing him in video's being up on a girl being at the cause of the environment it was weird to see him looking stuck in his head.

As I go around the club I keep seeing different RSD instructors, it's like being in a video game or some shit haha. RSD Sam, RSD Madison. Whatever I still feel entitled to every girl in this lame club just as much as I did the night before.

I see this cute petite Asian girl with her somewhat fat friend. I open the Asian girl and she is quite receptive. I pull her into me and she is quite receptive to that. Out of nowhere the fat friend miraculously leaves. Holy Shit awesome I don't even have to say hi to the fat friend.

Immediately we have a sort of heated banter which I win and then we trade names.

I start deep diving her and find out she's 22 and I really probe her hard on who she is and what she is going to do with her life. The vibe shifts from really fun/playful to really serious in a matter of a few sentences and she starts qualifying herself to me to make her future plans for her life sound really awesome.

I like her answers so I move/lead her over to another side of the bar where I order a water and we continue talking. We flirt and banter a bit more and things are going great. The whole time I can see her eye's dilating and becoming bigger. I know I can pull her soon so I do.

I lead her outside and we sit down at a table for a second for her to smoke a cigarette (eww... but it's already 3AM and every other girl in the club either has an instructor or other RSD rando hitting on her so I figure I best not overly focus on the cigarette).

Here is a bit more deep diving on how she's going to become a child's psychiatrist and save the world and I rant about the epidemic of the modern man in dating to which she enjoys listening to.

Pulling with the group

I then take her by the hand and start walking towards my house to which she puts up resistance to talking about her friend is still inside and they don't have cell phones to reach each other.

I realize this is a reasonable objection so I take her idea as if it were mine and say

We can't go yet, we need to go make sure your friend is okay and get her

She is happy that I'm understanding of her need so I lead her back into the club and the search begins for the fat friend!

I lead her through the club and through each of the rooms to see if we can spot her friend. Along the way we turn one corner and RSD Jeffy is posted up on a pillar in the room watching one of his students nearby... he doesn't look happy to be at Mangoes.

We continue looking for her friend but cannot find her to no avail.

I decide that we will just post up and wait for her to come to us and hangout for a bit in the meantime.

About two minutes later she says "I think I see her!!" and take my hand to lead me over there to which I drop her hand out of disgust for not wanting to be led around the club by my girl.

We get over to her friend and lo and fucking behold she's chatting with one of the RSD dudes that is an alumni with Derek. Haha fuck yeah.

Him and his girl are having a great time together and I tell him the gameplan is to follow my lead as we are going to an afterparty at my place. The club is getting close to leaving so we tell our girls that we know of an epic afterparty and that we're going to go to it together and we lead them out.

On the way out I see RSDMadison and he gives me a fist bump on the way out... gotta love chill black dudes.

So we're talking about afterparty epicness and we get to my apartment block and we have to go down this alley to get to the entrance and they're asking "are you sure this is where the afterparty is?"

Me: "Of course looks can be deceiving you'll both love it once we get inside!"

So we go down the alleyway and open the door to the apartment block.

We go up the stairs and enter the hallway where my apartment is.

There is not a sound of an afterparty. The girls ask "Is this your apartment"

Key in the door, door open, look at girl "Yes", and walk inside.

They all follow.

Now that we're inside I tell everyone to take their shoes off and I tell my girl I'm going to show her the tour of the place. (there's three rooms altogether haha)

I show her my room and pull her inside and start making out with her. She reciprocates and we get busy together ;)

Funny story with roommates

So while we're having sex the fat friend and my newfound wing are on the couch making out. The next thing they know my roommate gets back from the club empty handed and tired, looks at the people on his couch and is wondering who the fuck these people are and if he's in the right apartment. He double takes and then they look up and realize they've been walked in on.

The girl then bolts up and heads to the bathroom in embarrassment or something. My newfound wing says "What the fuck man we were just about to get it on!! Dude I was soo fucking close!"

Roommate: "Dude just go walk in the bathroom with her"

Wing: (face is in deep thought processing the new information until lights blink on) "HEY! You're right!" (Bolts up and enters bathroom)

Roommate: sighs and grabs the handcream off his dresser

FR+: Fucking Sooo Close

So after the last night at Mangoes I told myself come hell or high water I'm not going to end back up at Mangoes tonight!

I was also super motivated to pull off a hat trick and pull as girl this night.

We went to a slew of free cover bars that we were told were good places to go to and were absolutely terrible. Weird unattractive, unreceptive crowds with cagey mean women in them.

Then the group I was with got excited to go midtown Miami out of South Beach to a spot they claimed was really good. I wasn't going to fight them on it so we head off to midtown Miami.

We get there 20 minutes to closing time, unknowingly, and it's about 2:10 right now.

Also my energy just reached an all time low and I was mega tired from low sleep the past two nights and I was just having a terrible time... not to mention that there were 3 fat girls for every skinny girl. Just not a good idea to come down this way.

So we pack up shop here and head back over the bridge to South Beach. One of the guys throws out the idea "Mangoes?"... at this point in the game? Sure.

So the next thing I know I'm back, once again, at fucking Mangoes. Well it's starting to grow on me what can I say.

Banging the Guns

So I start hitting it up in the club and things are going SLOW. I'm excited though because the quality of girls is much higher this night than it was the previous two nights and there are a few stunners walking around which is nice.

I'm getting blown out quite a bit and trying to force it with the girls that aren't blowing me out. I'm trying to get my energy up and stay fucking awake for this shit and all I keep putting through my mind is "get the Hat trick, three girls in a row, no excuses!"

I know I'm just looking for a girl to hook and follow my lead so I get my mind right and continue approaching.

There's like this spectrum of being a fun natural vs. being a pick up dude. I personally resonate more with being a natural and I seek to emulate coming from that paradigm the majority of the time just because I think it yields better results and its more fun. However sometimes I have bad/off nights or if I'm just gangstering it out and screening for one girl where I fall more into the being a pick up dude category and I'm just mass shot gun approaching everyone. A time and place for everything.

So I meet about three girls in a row. First is a stunning hot blonde German that I think I could've got hooked into me if I were more charismatic, wittier, and had higher energy but to no avail. Second girl hooked and we got along decently. I moved the 2nd one around and I thought this was going to be my girl for the night. We chatted, her friends all loved me, but when I moved with this girl one on one I ran out of things to say (she was doing a poor job of carrying the conversation) and we really just didn't click all that well. She was not challenging or that fun so we said our farewells and I went to find a new girl.

Third Times a Charm
Third girl I met right after this one hooked harder than the 2nd girl, we had instant chemistry, and like magic with her I had tons of witty cool shit to say that came out of nowhere. We danced a bit, I led her around the club, and met her friends who once again loved me. I moved this girl away from her friends for a bit and we talked, deep dove, and bantered more. I told her about an awesome afterparty we could go to and she decided that would be great.

We went to go collect her friends and one of them was a more dominant social butterfly personality and wanted to talk to every fucking person she saw haha. Plus there were loads of dudes approaching them.

We little by little lead them out of the club until we're on the street and now there's even more guys approaching all of them.

I go to talk to the two friends with aims of strategically pairing them up with two guys that will be able to lead the day and not fuck shit up. I turn back to my girl and theres two dudes talking to her. God damn now I have to go pry her back away.

My girl has a scarf so I tug her scarf to which she responds to and I slowly pull her around and pull her into me and tell her to put her scarf around me (that way she can't easily leave me with some rando if I momentarily separate from her again).

I see a few guys I know that are good with women and throw them on the friends but to no avail they can't understand each other (these are Argentinians) and so they bail. Then out of no where two obvious RSD dudes come in and apparently speak Spanish and are capable of communicating well with the two friends and appear to not be totally hated by them. This will work for now I think.

Pulling with the Randos

So I get the group walking and away from the god damned hoard of dudes approaching these 3 girls.

I'm more focused on having fun with my girl and I heard one of the RSD randos say something about an afterparty so I assume they're leading us somewhere cool.

The next thing I know we're at a pizza shop. I guess that's cool. Pizza and then jet off to afterparty. Perhaps these guys just need to build some comfort with their girls before they feel comfortable. I try to suggest to my girl to ditch her friends multiple times but she is very loyal and decided on staying with them. At the same time she's all over me, touching me, looking at me extremely sexually, and I'm just hoping these dudes no what they're doing and have a game plan.

The 4 of them go get and start eating pizza and my girl and I are just flirting, deep diving, and dropping sexual innuendos and thoroughly enjoying ourselves to no end.

In the back of my mind I'm playing out the logistical options:

1. pull the group to some afterparty location (their or one of the RSD dudes places as I don't have room to accommodate everyone at my place).

2. isolate my girl (already established she was sticking with her friends, though I could use a hard push)

3. Ditch the dudes and go with the group back to their hotel

4. Mystery logistic---------------------> FUCK HER IN THE PIZZA SHOP BATHROOM

I did not opt for #4 because I did not think of it until the morning after but it was the winning option by far and I'm still kicking myself for not thinking about this at the time.

In my mind I'm still shooting for option #1. The guys are doing decent by the looks of it with their girls so surely they're having a plan of some sort lined up that is favorable... I assumed wrong.

But before I get to this part of the story there's one more part I need to add that rendered my night fucked...

She Tests and I

Fucking fail.

So I've positioned myself as a pretty alpha dude in this girls eyes thus far and she's been very receptive to it as a result.

We're talking and I ask her what she likes me so much. She says a few reasons and I also point out that I'm a strong leader to which she agrees and then counters her agreeing with this:

But you failed to lead your friends, look you don't even have an idea where they are
Said with a challenge look on her face

I think typically I would've saw right through this would've disregarded this or said something witty but I think I was so tired and unable to think straight I started fucking explaining myself to her and its the wildest thing to see a girl super attracted to you steadily see the attraction literally drain out of her eyes and face to a solemn look of disappointment. Hahaha it fucking sucked.

But I figured fuck just wipe it under the rug surely I can fit one small mistake in there.

I turn to the guys. Its been 30 minutes by now and it is time to make a move so I ask them what the gameplan is.

They start agreeing and look to their girls and I shit you not. They start trying to sell, literally sell features/benefits/trial close and everything the idea of going back to a club or a strip club. I'm shaking my head in disbelief.

I interject. "No! We're going to an afterparty, lead them to an afterparty." They nod their heads and in such a low value way start trying to sell the girls on the idea of an afterparty.

No these girls closed their openmindedness towards these guys as soon as they came up with the idea to back pedal and go to another club, they're done.

I get up and show them how to lead properly... don't aks, tell.

I go over to the main alpha girl and all eyes are on me. I flirt with her for a second, get her to take my hands, get her to stand up, and then I tell her we're going to an afterparty and start leading her out the door and tell everyone else to follow us.

The dudes are like "whoa".

It was cool but these girls had all already made up their minds that they're no longer interested in these guys and that they are going home, adios!

Fucked.

I make a last ditch attempt to get my girl to take me home with her but she's pretty cold and closed off and she keeps interjecting she won't leave with me or take me with her. I keep persisting but to no avail.

I would have definitely had a fighting chance to turn things around if the guys would've led properly and kept their girls interested and closed them to someones hotel/apartment.

Still pissed as I write this a week later.

Last thoughts

If I could do that whole interaction over again given the variables thrown in with the RSD randos and going to the pizza shop I would've pushed hard to fuck her in the bathroom and I'm pretty confident I could've achieved this.

When we were talking in the shop her biggest concern was leaving her friends, she didn't want to leave her friends.

That's cool I can respect that.

Well we spent 30 minutes total in the pizza shop.

The friends were occupied happily by the RSD chodes the whole time. It would've been super easy to tell my girl we're going to do something crazy and get her to buy into the idea of "doing something crazy" or straight up telling her I'm going to fuck her in the bathroom.

Tell her to go to the bathroom and wait for 1 minute. Then at a moment when the friends are occupied I just peel off and enter the bathroom with her. If I could've gotten both of us in the bathrooom it would've been a definite thing and an epic story.

So what I learned from this is for logistical situations I need to be sure that I'm taking every option into account given the situation and playing them accordingly.

Great lesson learned.

I hope you enjoyed reading and as always,

Keep it pimping gents ;)

-Rob
 

lux7

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Nice man, loved reading through!
You've really reached consistency there, you prolly don't that much left to learn from RSD, you get the job done :)


A lot of guys when they say this (and I still do) will do it the wrong way and instead get a "no it's okay! you shouldn't be insecure about your age." So shoot for doing the former.

It's good she said that.
Props, particularly, on eliciting it!

I feel the upper stage though she'd still not say anything like that, as in this scenario she's still the one providing value -ie, her presence-.

In some relationships guys are very proud their women tell them "I'll never leave you", while I feel it's not the best position to be in.
Compare to a woman whom I once heard saying about moving out together with her man "if it doesn't work out I'd rather die than go through the pain", that's not a woman who'd ever say to her man "I'll never leave you" because she's too scared of being left rather than going around throwing her weight and reassuring his man because his man might be like "Uuu... Thanks.... Hopefully you won't turn into a stalker if things don't pan out well :S"

You can't get that easily at all before sex and a relationship though, so on the seduction phase "I won't leave you" is still golden.


25% really solid on top of it dudes, 25% theory junkies that have watched every RSD video that average 20 approaches per year, 25% that go out regularly yet aimlessly and never improve, and another 25% that attend with the gun barrel in their mouth with hopes that the RSD seminar will change their mind on pulling the trigger to end their existence.

Lol love the breakdown :)


I go to talk to the two friends with aims of strategically pairing them up with two guys that will be able to lead the day and not fuck shit up. I turn back to my girl and theres two dudes talking to her. God damn now I have to go pry her back away.

My girl has a scarf so I tug her scarf to which she responds to and I slowly pull her around and pull her into me and tell her to put her scarf around me (that way she can't easily leave me with some rando if I momentarily separate from her again).

I'm not into night game, but... You had a great time, a great connection... Her friends were around...
What were the chances she'd leave with two random guys?
Pretty low no?

4. Mystery logistic---------------------> FUCK HER IN THE PIZZA SHOP BATHROOM

What do you mean "Mystery"?


The friends were occupied happily by the RSD chodes the whole time. It would've been super easy to tell my girl we're going to do something crazy and get her to buy into the idea of "doing something crazy" or straight up telling her I'm going to fuck her in the bathroom.

Very possible you could have done it.
But don't be 100% so sure, many times I've done it with women seemingly very into me... But women aren't always so into "doing something crazy" as the men are.
It might have been the case, of course, but I wouldn't be so sure at all.



P.S.: lol funny I was just replying on your thread while you were replying on mine ahaha
 

Dern

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Lol! Hilarious report! Loved reading it! Funniest parts were when you described the RSD instructors and the fact that you went to mangoes 3 nights in a row!

I'm still pissed off where at this shitty club (this was before I liked the bar better) and I keep thinking to myself that no matter what, any girl I see that I want is mine because I'm by far the highest value guy in the venue.

I'm interested to hear how you acquired such a mindset. Whenever I enter a venue, I am usually so overwhelmed by the environment and all the white and jacked "alpha" lookin dudes with their bomb ass social circles that I just feel like a little bitch sometimes haha. But when I am running daygame, I usually feel like the most boss guy on campus cause i look around me and everyone just looks lame and depressed as fuck going to class or whatever, going on with their boring ass lives, and im just like approaching hot ass biddies and having the time of my life, feeling as if im the only guy who can approach sober, so i just feel great.
 

Mr.Rob

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Dern said:
I'm interested to hear how you acquired such a mindset. Whenever I enter a venue, I am usually so overwhelmed by the environment and all the white and jacked "alpha" lookin dudes with their bomb ass social circles that I just feel like a little bitch sometimes

Chase has an article called "See the Room" or something and I think where you can get this mindset is being able to have the perspective to see the room, environment, and people for what and who they actually are.

Nighttime venues are all a fake visade of status and coolness. Not always, as there are definitely venues where high status and cool people are actually cool high status people outside the club as well. However I'm referring to your average college bar, local city bar/club that your average dude/chick off the street frequents and is allowed to frequent.

When I first got to Orlando and started frequenting the college bars you see these jacked, cool dudes, with all the hot girls and their "seem" super high status and cool. I felt like I couldn't compete with these guys and they were out of my league to the point I wouldn't even approach the girl they were with.

However I met a lot of these people over the past year and even more of the girls that were going after these guys and I had a huge realization. None of these people are actually cool, have a clear sense of who they are, or are doing anything with their lives of importance or interest. Its this fake college status visade. If you took the cool popular person out of that social matrix they would be no cooler than some average joe off the street. Of course this is my value system that I am judging them by, but hey this is my movie.

Then I look at my life. I have a very clear sense of identity, I have a good sense of who I am and who I am not, I know my value system and the type of people I want to bring into my life, and lastly I have some awesome ambitious shit going on in my life. I am likely going to become a member of the college of businesses most prestigious business program in the school, I have accomplished some high level academic shit, I have a high level of self-development and successfully transformed my life, I have a real life story, and I have a level of purpose and direction higher than anyone at any regular mainstream bar/club in my city.
Why the fuck wouldn't I feel entitled to any girl in the venue when every dude in there doesn't even know who they are? Just another leaf in the fucking wind.

The tricky part is conveying this message and that's where game comes into play. But I've met plenty of the men and women in these bar/club environments and I'm not impressed by these people. I genuinely believe I am further along in my development as a man and will shit all over everyone 2-3 years from now in all aspects of life.

Thus when I see a girl I want to talk to in a "cool" group of guys at the local college bar, I see that girl and think "that's my girl". Then I'll size those dudes up and if I think they're not going to try to fight me if I enter their set I don't think twice about introducing myself to their girl and trying to peel her off that group. This is a very low hit ratio of success of course but it shows my level of entitlement in that environment.

Now if I were to enter a bar/club with a higher caliber of people that are actually successful and have cool shit going on in their lives I might not feel this entitled. But when we're talking about a regular caliber of people I just am the best option. Occasionally I'll meet a guy/girl I'm impressed with and we usually have a good conversation and maybe become friends. But 90-95% of everyone at these places I just know I am the best option based on meeting these people over time and getting to know who they are.

Get to know the people that you think are so cool, find out what they actually do with their lives and perhaps your perspective will change.

Dern said:
when I am running daygame, I usually feel like the most boss guy on campus cause i look around me and everyone just looks lame and depressed as fuck going to class or whatever, going on with their boring ass lives, and im just like approaching hot ass biddies and having the time of my life, feeling as if im the only guy who can approach sober, so i just feel great.

No different in the club in my opinion. These are the same people except they're drinking and pretending to know like they know whats going on with life and that they are in control of their lives. Its all a visade. Not bad or good but the truth.

Don't let a false environment influence how you project who you actually are. Act on the environment and make it react to you. Do not let the environment make you react.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this response.

-Rob
 

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Not much to comment on here, just thanks for posting this is some inspiring shit man
 

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I genuinely believe I am further along in my development as a man and will shit all over everyone 2-3 years from now in all aspects of life.

I've noticed a few in these forums have this mentality. And many "alpha-feeling" people have it.
And almost everyone doing combat sport have it as they feel they can physically kick most people's asses (including the ones you probably feel you can shit all over).

I am personally wary of this mentality though.
My assigned mentor in my first job, years ago, a senior leader in the organization, used to tell me I was too cocky and should take it down a notch. And I used to pretend listening while thinking to myself "fuck off, and fuck HR too, what a dumbass idea giving (a cool guy like) me this lame ass Pakistani dude as a mentor".
I still don't think that guy was cool, and not even that he was that wise, he was never able to explain how to take it down and why it was important after all.
But I think he was right about that being not the best approach to society/life.

There are many pros with a "I'm the top here" mentality, and it's attractive, and it's funny, and it makes you feel good too..
But the main issue I see with it is that it's very ego-reliant and ego-pumping.
Being ego-reliant, at each time you're not top dog you'll find yourself making excuses to protect your ego.

And once you hit a real hitch in life -you might never hit of course, but the danger is constant with that mentality- then you go "ooops, maybe I'm not shitting on everyone's head now.." and all your paradigm comes crashing down like a castle of cards (which incidentally is a period I actually went through some time ago)
 

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@Lux-

I genuinely agree with you. I'll go through phases of "I'm top dog" and then the world will bitch slap me back down and "Shit I have a long way to go and I'm not that cool".

However there is a middle ground, another side to the I'm the best mentality that will yield you the best of both worlds.

You see its not being cocky if its true.

Its a high-degree of entitlement combined with an air of genuine humbleness. You know you're the best option in the venue but you also realize you're a human, with insecurities, and have brown shit come out of your ass just like everyone else. You don't take yourself too seriously and you don't spend time engaging in mental masturbation thoughts of "wow I'm so much cooler and better than everyone here". You will talk to anyone that comes up and speak to people that aren't as good/successful and relate with them on an equal level.

But when were talking about pulling the hottie out of the club and competing with hoards of other men that are vying for her attention then yeah I just know I'm the best option. I know I'm further along in my development in my life, my self, and who I am whereas my competition hasn't even thought about those issues, which allows me to communicate I am indeed the champ. (again I'm referring to the average night game environment in my home city) It also allows me to not care about the feelings of other men vying for the females attention they want.

It's like Michael Jordan (who I would never compare myself to but for explanatory purposes I will use as a metaphor) competing with a college basketball athlete that isn't going to make the big leagues. It is a fact that Michael Jordan is better than the college athlete. You can literally line up the pro's and con's of each ones game and make a confident judgment that Michael is just better. And they'll play and compete and Michael will own the college amatuer and then Michael will be a gracious winner and shake hands with the loser on the way out. Hell they might even go out afterward and have a beer and shoot the shit together and Michael will hang out with him even though he's higher status.

But it is a fact that he is just fucking better. It is the truth.

So I think if you know you're the best option and communicate that effectively but at the same time intentionally humble yourself and not self-aggrandize then you will be able to have the gangster pimp swag, that women respond so well to, without the cockiness/arrogance that leads to your demise from delusion. Plus I think its worth noting that you are not allowed to take on the belief that you are a great option if you are NOT currently hustling your ass off and living the discipline necessary to be that entitled on point guy.

If I go work 12 hours a day, eat top nutrition, work out, and am on top of the game while everyone else is watching TV, complaining about how hard things are, and eating cheetos. No judgement if that's what you want to do (I think its pretty uninspiring but that is my value system) but when it comes to succeeding in life, statistically I'm just going to shit all over those people. And those people are the same people that go to the local college bar and the average joe bar downtown. I don't hate them or wish them ill (I actually wish everyone I come in contact with to be successful and create a life they would be excited to have) but I surely do not think we're on an equal playing field when we are not.

I also realize this may be an immature paradigm to come from and I'm about 99% positive it will change in the future to a healthier more mature paradigm. But this is where I am at in my stage of development and what I believe to be the most resourceful paradigm for achieving my current goals.

-Rob
 

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Yes Rob, it's all about balance. My favourite quote from RSD Tyler is "accept that you are already awesome, you are just on your way to becoming even more awesome."

Therefore, even though everyone is already awesome, we are more awesome because we have a pretty good sense of ourselves, exercise and eat right, cold approach women, and strive to be academically/occupationally successful.

Accept that no one is perfect, bit don't let that stop you from improving yourself.

Chase has an article called "See the Room" or something and I think where you can get this mindset is being able to have the perspective to see the room, environment, and people for what and who they actually are.

Nighttime venues are all a fake visade of status and coolness. Not always, as there are definitely venues where high status and cool people are actually cool high status people outside the club as well. However I'm referring to your average college bar, local city bar/club that your average dude/chick off the street frequents and is allowed to frequent.

When I first got to Orlando and started frequenting the college bars you see these jacked, cool dudes, with all the hot girls and their "seem" super high status and cool. I felt like I couldn't compete with these guys and they were out of my league to the point I wouldn't even approach the girl they were with.

However I met a lot of these people over the past year and even more of the girls that were going after these guys and I had a huge realization. None of these people are actually cool, have a clear sense of who they are, or are doing anything with their lives of importance or interest. Its this fake college status visade. If you took the cool popular person out of that social matrix they would be no cooler than some average joe off the street. Of course this is my value system that I am judging them by, but hey this is my movie.

Then I look at my life. I have a very clear sense of identity, I have a good sense of who I am and who I am not, I know my value system and the type of people I want to bring into my life, and lastly I have some awesome ambitious shit going on in my life. I am likely going to become a member of the college of businesses most prestigious business program in the school, I have accomplished some high level academic shit, I have a high level of self-development and successfully transformed my life, I have a real life story, and I have a level of purpose and direction higher than anyone at any regular mainstream bar/club in my city.
Why the fuck wouldn't I feel entitled to any girl in the venue when every dude in there doesn't even know who they are? Just another leaf in the fucking wind.

The tricky part is conveying this message and that's where game comes into play. But I've met plenty of the men and women in these bar/club environments and I'm not impressed by these people. I genuinely believe I am further along in my development as a man and will shit all over everyone 2-3 years from now in all aspects of life.

Thus when I see a girl I want to talk to in a "cool" group of guys at the local college bar, I see that girl and think "that's my girl". Then I'll size those dudes up and if I think they're not going to try to fight me if I enter their set I don't think twice about introducing myself to their girl and trying to peel her off that group. This is a very low hit ratio of success of course but it shows my level of entitlement in that environment.

You mention college bars, and that's what I want to bring up today, as I have been gaming in a college town for the last 3 months. You also mention this fake college status visage that seems to cover all of these people. I completely resonate with what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is that this whole fake college status visage is very real for the people involved in it (even though it isn't for you). A lot of the times I feel that the hottest girls don't care if you're some well-accomplished guy academically/occupationally with a true sense of who he is. They just want that hot frat boy who has big muscles and is at the top of his social circle. He may not be the most accomplished in terms of life goals, but he puts in work at the gym, goes to social gatherings, dresses well, and demands respect from his peers with a devil-may-care attitude. That is probably who they gossip about at night and at their silly sorority dinners.

This forum post talks about social status in college and how conducive it is to gaming:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10215&p=50010#p50010

I want to end this post by saying that Rob, you seem to have improved greatly at game over the past years or so, and thus, you may have the skills, fundamentals, sense of entitlement, dominance, etc, etc. to take these girls out of their fake realities and into yours. But for me, a skinny asian guy who's still working on his game and his muscles, with not much social status in regards to frats and sororities, it really puts me at a disadvantage. I'm 3 months into a student exchange right now (got 3 left), and I'm going to be hammering it home for the rest of the time here, but I gotta tell you man, it's been hard. I'm getting really good at sneaking into frat parties lol (I can join a frat but I'm on exchange and it wouldn't be worth it to be a pledge for the duration of my exchange, although I may rush during spring just so I can meet some guys and get a feel for who they are/try to build some connections without actually pledging), however, I am no one at these parties. For example, I walked up to some chick and her friend and said "hi." The hot one immediately recognized me as the guy who approached her on DP (the party street lol). Her less hot friend then started chatting me up, before the hot friend pulled her away and was like "let's go find the guy we came here for." Later, I see them talking to your stereotypical Californian frat bro (who, like you said, has probably nothing going on in his life, other than pussy, gym, and social gatherings). Take the cool popular guy out of his social matrix, and onto the street, and he wouldn't be cooler than anyone but your average joe you say, but the truth is that this isn't going to happen until graduation. Until then, I feel stuck in this fake social matrix that we call "college," with these fake girls and fake guys (don't get me wrong, I still love it here, I just feel utterly destroyed some days lol).

Last note, I want to bring up Chase's article on "how to have sex with blonde bombshells," where he talks about how if you want to sleep with these girls, you have to conform to fit their archetypes of what they want in a man. The exception (which may apply to you), is if you are exceptional in one way, or are extremely dominant. Anyways, feel free to take a look and keep the discussion going, I feel we are starting a real good conversation here.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-h ... bombshells
 

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Dern said:
A lot of the times I feel that the hottest girls don't care if you're some well-accomplished guy academically/occupationally with a true sense of who he is. They just want that hot frat boy who has big muscles and is at the top of his social circle.

Yes this is a very real phenomena and a legitimate barrier for my success. But every once in awhile I'll meet a truly stunning girl in greek life that is more realistic and can see through the visade or is kind of fed up with it all and we'll just hit it off. I haven't pulled and fucked one of these scenarios yet because they don't happen often but from time to time this will pop up and I endeavor to do so because I like this type of girl.

I don't try to integrate into these social circles because I genuinely do not resonate with them and their value systems for the most part. My time is better spent meeting more like minded people in different contexts. The greek life social circle who's primary activity is partying is just not people I care to add into my life or get to know on a deep level (there are exceptions mind you).

I think if I were in your shoes and going to these parties I might try to build hubs of people and bring the party. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NggqmAw6Qqg (RSD on the hub)

You can build fun, add value, and create instant status that way and build a mini social circle in a house party type of venue where this would be most suitable as opposed to cold approach.

On top of that (and this might not be true for the frat parties you're getting into) there are typically college girls at these venues that are not in a sorority (half are typically not at the college bars in my town) and then you're just dealing with a regular college girl and you don't have to worry about the social matrix effect. I meet a lot of pretty girls (sometimes stunning) that are not in greek life and then your biggest obstacle is holding their ADHD indoctrinated attention span and leading 110% of the time.

I like his article and I think it's true. Basically Chase is saying that for whatever demographic of girl and personality attributes you'd be most excited to have go market yourself accordingly to get that girl.

The girl I want is not a girl that is hugely indoctrinated in the college social matrix.. thus I do not care to market myself in such a manner. If I see a hot girl I want to meet that is in the college social matrix I'll expend the time to go approach her but if it doesn't go good I will find a better option 30 seconds later. I don't care enough to expend heaps of time/energy to integrate into that social circle to best access a girl I don't even care to bring into my life in the first place.

Why do you want to access these girls in the environment so bad?

I would never step foot into my local college bar if it wasn't the closest venue to my house (better downtown venues are 20 minutes from my house as opposed to 7 minutes).
 
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Mr.Rob said:

Yes it's true, age plays a big role in those mental paradigms as well, will all the due exceptions of course.

Agree with your post anyway, very well put together.
 

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lux7 said:
Yes it's true, age plays a big role in those mental paradigms as well, will all the due exceptions of course.

Agree with your post anyway, very well put together.

Good discussion Lux, I appreciate you challenging my paradigm. It helped me better understand my own psychology. Thanks for engaging this thread!
 
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