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Metamorphosis - 10s on Rotation

Amir

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Hi everyone, I've lurked on these forums for a while now, and I've done some approaches on and off and even gotten some lays(like more than 5 for sure), but I've never taken seduction as seriously as I would like, which is the purpose of this journal.

My goal is to create a habit of writing and analyzing my interactions and also systematically change how I act and how I look at things to the point where I could have multiple 10s in my rotation.

Multiple 10s aren't the end all be all, but its more of a benchmark that I can look at and be confident that I've become a master at seduction and influence.

I want these extremely attractive women begging me to fuck them and have them be
my booty dial, and even further, i would like to have such a magnetic pull on these women, that I can they wouldn't care that they are a replaceable player on the roster.

When I'm done, I won't even see these women as 10s as I will have run through so many of them that the idea of a 10 isnt even exciting to me anymore as I bang one every night.

I believe that anyone, even if your chopped and broke, can develop the influencing skills needed to get a rotation of 10s. Of course, the uglier you are, the more insane your game has to be as I believe these other factors work sort of like multipliers to your game.

I've read so much about whether u should just looksmax, money max, or game max, but really i think the optimal path is doing all three - maybe not at the same time, but they all work together so why not. To neglect looks or money just because I want to rely solely on my game is an ego that would only get in my way.

Right now I'm broke as shit, but I'm getting into a sales job and I have a feeling I'm going to do pretty i well there.

I consider myself lookwise as a 7, but as I get leaner(about 18% bf rn) i think i can easily push 8, maybe even 9 as I'm also doing gymnastics rings every day and seeing some insane improvements in my physique.

I'm also working on my body language and my voice. I think the body language needs some work with just releasing tension, being more fluid, but as for my voice, I've developed a nice, deep and resonant voice - i just need to make it sexier and have more range in my tonality to create a more magnetic effect when I'm talking.

But right now, my biggest bottleneck is simply approaching. I can push through the discomfort but I keep waiting for perfect conditions


Bottleneck

I'm thinking things like
1 - "is she hot enough, wait let me see what her ass looks like" and ofc, every girl these days is wearing fucking oversized jeans... such a dogshit fashion trend that i cant wait to be gone.

2 - "what should I say" this one is like half as important as i think it is. Sure it does matter, but I feel like by simply opening with good body language and vocal tonality is good enough to push to the hook phase because my fundamentals are decent.

3 - 'is now the right time to approach" i keep thinking I need to do a full A-Z seduction but really, I can get a good set in less that 5 or even 3 minutes, and then number pull and continue working from there. Maybe I'm just scared to use the phone since I have little texting experience, but that just means I gotta find strategies and get better

4- "I'm too busy" This is honestly just a cop out. I'm thinking that engaging with women would take to much time away from the other projects I got going on in life but thats just BS. I'm framing women like they are not worth the effort/time economically but thats simply not true. More pussy is always good. If a girl starts to be a problem/eat up too much time I can just cut her off.
Even from a time perspective, the amount of time I'm thinking about fucking girls because I'm so horny is also an insane amount that would get fixed if i was just fucking girls, or at least be a little under control. If I can't fit girls into my schedule, then I am truly fucking up life and girls are not the problem here, I am. That's the frame here.


First Approach

I just did an approach on the bus with a cute girl from my class. Shes has a golden brown skin tone and a nice ass. Honestly surprised I got an approach done today, I think it was really convinient timing, and I was already lukewarm with the girl so the approach was easy.

I was walking out of the school building and i saw the buses parked there, thinking they were about to leave, I instantly started running and when I got to the bus I noticed her and she immideatly noticed me. My first question was whether this was the right bus or not. THAT was my opener lol(really needed the bus, but also it's a totally appropriate opener).

After she confirmed it for me, I then started to continue the conversation with her. The hook was basically already there since she knew me, but I don't know what exactly we talked about. I know I asked some questions about her moving to here from another country and then when we boarded the bus, I was able to strategically sit right next to her, by bringing up how dirty the other seats were.

When I'm sitting next to her, I started asking more about her major, to which she asked me about mine. This was my first fuckup, not because I told her my major, but because I kept talking about it. I don't think I said too much, but it was the first sign of my biggest error in this interaction.

I started asking her about how it was like living here and she talked about how shes juggling college, and a part time job. I asked her how she did it since the time it would take for all of that is insane.

We talked more on that, to which we then talked about our other random stuff that I don't really remember which goes to show how insignificant my verbals were as I just had this converstation like 20 minutes ago. (Reminder to fix this part of the interaction)

After this though, i found myself talking waaay too much about myself, to the point where the only thing i know about this chick, is some logistical stuff like the fact she lives close to my house and that shes an immigrant and what she wants to study. I asked about her life in the other country but we didn't dive deep enough and that's on me. I believe this is mainly because I need to work on my conversational steering, and learn how to elicit deeper topics to build a strong connection. Bus ride was 30 minutes so I at least held the conversion for the entire point.

Also, me talking about myself doesn't do anything but maybe position me for a boyfriend role, which is not what I'm trying to do. I need to put the light on her and get her to to tell me things she hasn't told to anyone else. Tactfully break past the social barriers and get her to truly open up to me in and feel good, being vulnerable with me. (This is a skill that I want to bring to all of my future sets. I need to figure out how to do it though. Reminder to look this up on GC and SS)

She left at her stop, and while I feel I could have number grabbed, it was far too sloppy. Seeing as she lives like a 2 min bus ride from me, I'm definetely going to number grab after our next class together, citing this as a reason, and insinuating some of the fun activies we could do together while exuding a sexual vibe - not outright saying what I'd do to her, but making her think it anyways. I think there is one problem here though, and while it was in my mind the entire interaction, I don't think i articulated this vibe correctly.

I needed a much more sexual vibe. Not like a in your face way... but my energy level itself. The way I was talking had to much energy in it. I needed to bring it down a bit, and while I tried to use sexual eye contact, and I had a deep voice, it simply wasn't enough to turn the interaction into a man to woman interaction. I could certainly feel that there was potential for a man to women interaction, but I couldn't get her to look at me for long enough to build up any tension.

Yes, tension

THATS what was missing. Whenever I had a good approach in the past, there was a layer of tension in every interaction. That certain spark that would just make the interaction 10x better for the both of us. I love feeling this when talking to a girl, as it feels like theres this untapped potential in the air, and I know girls love feeling it to. I just need to figure out how to consistently bring that to the interaction.

I think one way would have been to simply picture the conquest while I was talking to her. Picture how her lips would feel slowly gliding on my cock, or how nice the view would be as i bend her over from the back and enter her. THinking of it now, I can feel that sexual energy rise in me - i just need to exude it in the set. It would be that X factor that would put my mind in the kind of frame that would make everything I do passively better.

Because I had such a social vibe, I stuck to social topics. Had I had this sexual frame in my mind, I would have naturally led the conversation to more sexual topics, and i think THIS is where I needed to be. I could have definetly done it in a non-try hard way, i honestly just didn't think of it, because my vibe was off.

I also need to look at some sexual topics I can talk about just so I don't force myself to come up with new material on the spot. Obviously i'm not trying to recite bar for bar, but having a general framework of some topics that could easily elicit the sexual vibe i want to create would go a long way into making the interaction sexual consistently.

I think the ideal conversational mix would be something like 40% her just sharing deep details about herself, then when I talk, I don't share much about myself, only what she truly needs to know so I don't active FSC. Instead I talk about things that create frames that lead to fast casual sex. I need to talk about things that would probe her view on things like fast sex, acting impulsively, slut shaming, self exploration, doing exciting things with people you just met, and through these words, get her mind to view reality in a way where she's perfectly ok with coming off the bus with me right there to explore herself in my room, with my cock. My ability to do this will be a key part on my success in seducing multiple women and 10s.(reminder to figure out how to do this).

In terms of conversation %, 40-60% of her talking about her self, 20-30% me setting up sexual frames, 20-30% me setting up the right frames to set up the same day pull, and now that I write this 5%-10% of just straight up silence... building up that tension.

I need to create a situation where she's basically melting in my presence. And one way to do that, is to really take my time when I'm talking, and use this silence strategically. If she asks me a question I can play with the eye contact before I answer, and as shes likely to look at me as I start my answer, I can drag this out with pauses to basically get her to look at me more, which builds more tension. Once again, i think this would be much easier if I just had a powerful sexual vibe active to begin with.(Reminder to look up using silence in conversation)

I think If I had that sexual vibe, and therefore created a sexual interaction, the topics we would have discussed would have been inherently more exciting, and I would have built more compliance. This increased investment, would lead to way more eye contact from her,which would have built the tension even further. Now, on the topic of eye contact, I'm not sure if i'm doing it correctly. I think I used too much eye contact because I used it as a crutch to build the vibe. I need to look into the appropriate amount of eye contact, and more specifically, how i can use that to build more compliance(reminder)


To Do

Approach more : The first thing I need to do, is get way more sets in. I'm in school 2 times a week after the schedule change im about to do, so Ideally, I should talk to 2-3 girls each time i'm there. I can easily do this, i just need to come up with a system to easily get the approach done when I see the opportunity arise, I also need to spell out these easy approach opportunities so that when I'm in field I'm not thinking, I'm just doing.

Learn how to deep dive and when: I've tried deep diving people but its never had the effect that I was looking for. Also i think I'm doing it too soon. Just really need to understand how to do it and when to use it tbh.

Learn how to steer the interaction into seductive frames: i rememeber there being a really good thread here on this but I can't find it. Whenever I used this strategy tho, it was just obvious that this shit was fire. What I'm going to do, is write down all the frames that I want to ideally set in an interaction, and then I will create dummy conversations that I could use to develope a strong seduction based frame.


Touch more : I touched her only a little bit in this interaction, but man, I know just how strong touch can be in the interaction. I gotta do it way more. I'm going to look up some articles and browse throught the forums to see how some of you guys have done it. This would multiply my sexual vibe through the roof.

Practice Sexual Vibe: There's two things I'm going to do for this.
#1: I strongly belive, that the best sexual vibe, is the one you don't have to come up with on the spot. I think I should just passively be in a moderate sexual vibe at all times. And just bring up the ante when talking to a girl, or lowering it in some professional contexts. So what I'm going to do, is picture the conquest whenever I see a girl and get my mind on the habit of simply being horny around women. I think over a longer time frame, this would just solve the sexual vibe problem by itself.
- When I think of sexual vibe, to me, all it really is is a desire for women. Most guys have this, but most guys don't feel comfortable with projecting this desire and for good reason. It's very easy to overdo it and I think a part of that is because they aren't used to that sexual energy because truth to be told, being horny and aroused, while it feels good, is technically a feeling of angst. Desire comes from a place of not having what you want.

But, by always being in a sexual state of mind, not only do I get used to this tension in myself, but I get used to calibrating it so that I'm delivering just the right amount to get the influence that I want over women. I need to look up some articles on calibration as well

#2: As I'm talking to the girl, I'm going to picture the conquest - Fucking her, right then and there. I want it to get to the point where I can make the girl see what I see without me even saying it. There's a certain nonverbal skill here, and I believe it has to do with the eyes, and touch. I should look up trinagle gazing, other eye contact techniques, and touch.

Also I need to learn sex talk from the one and only, whose name need not be said.


Learn how to use silence: silence is where the tension is made. Talking naturally reduces tension unless ur using sex talk. So i need to learn how to use this silence for powerful seductive effect. I'm sure there's an article on this.


Eye contact and body language: I honestly have no idea what I'm doing with my eye contact. I know there's a lot of things it can do thought particularly with tension and attainability.


Also need to evade and deflect question on me. The more the girl knows about me, the more she can judge me to align with an arbitrary social standard she has in her mind, and the less mysterious i become. By keeping things vague, and brushing things off by saying "it's a long story" or "it's complicated" and revert the conversation back to the girl.

- I need to figure out if i need more attainability or less attainability. Like whats the philosophy here? Some girls can seem aloof but that could just be because they think they cant get you. Whereas some other girls think you're not attractive enough for them, and you need to get more compliance from them. It's a tough line to walk, and i don't think i can just read an article to figure out how to walk it - going to need to do more sets.

- In terms of body language, I'm not sure what I'm doing here either, I need to look at lovesystems bodylanguage again.

Also I need to relisten Gunwitches SMMA, i think this would give me the framework that I need to consistently go from Attention, Open, Hook, Isolation, Lay.

Clearly, lots of work needs to be done here, and I definetely wrote a mountain of text here, but at least for me, this is the only way I know how to get better. Writing brings everything to awareness, and if your aware of it, you can fix it.

By not writing everything out, there's some details that I would miss, and because of that, I would take longer to get better, which is not what I'm trying to do. I want my rotation of 10s right the fuck now.

I'm not sure what exactly i need to do to bring this back into my set but i will review alek's articles on it and write on it. If yall have any advice, or have experienced any of the bottle necks that i'm going through, pls share. I know there are some real lady killers on here, and even if you aren't super experienced, please share as well as it would be very helpful for me(and you as teaching others is one of the best ways to cement your mastery in a skillset)

I need to do a bunch of uni and work stuff but ima get back to this and work out some of the to dos. talk soon
 
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Amir

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Today I read @Atlas IV ' LR+, Daygame - One week, 12 approaches, 4 pulls, 2 lays, lots of “player” LMR, learned a lot of things. It was cool to see the kinds of things you can pull of in daygame, really shows that anything is possible when you get good.

Of note:
1) Use silence to build tension
2) Set up the essential pillars in every seduction. Atlas' post highlights the benefits of setting up sexual frames and sexually prizing yourself, building comfort with the girl, and having the sexual arousal all locked in before the pull, as well as what happens if these elements are missing.
3) Punish girls for lack of compliance. I think this is something you can do in every set unless you know the girl will auto reject, but even then, I kinda want to test it and see what happens. Girls very seldomly get punished like this as most guys are chumps that are desperate and will do anything to get a sniff.

So when you demonstrate your boredom of her after she doesn't do what you want her to do, it forces her to view you in a different light. One where you are not like the other guys, and one where she knows that if she doesn't play her part, she will lose you. Even if you hadn't built up a bunch of value or attraction in the set, the mere thought that she could potentially lose you will make her think that maybe you do have some value that she hasn't unearthed yet. Which as seen in atlas's post, everytime he pulled out the punishment, the girls soon after started demonstrating more compliance.

4) Pay attention to all the minor details in the set that the girl is giving you. What is the context of the situation? Where is she going? Where did she come from? What is she wearing? What is her general vibe? All of these are clues that I aught to attune to so that all of my gtame matches up with exactly what she needs in that moment. This is where the next level gains are made. Improving perception by know what details to look at.

Perhaps one way I can practice this is by looking at strangers and making snap judgement of their state, where they are going, and what their clothes say about their identity.

5) Move the girl to multiple places. multiple bounces. Builds comfort quickly which allows you to accelerate the sexual vibe with little FSC.

I also continued my set with the HB7 from yesterday.

HB7 Number Grab

This girl is is one of my classes, so when right before the class started I told her that I wanted to ask her something after class, as i realized something from our talk yesterday. My goal here was just to make her curious, but idk if it was effective. I will say, that while she did not come to me to ask what I wanted to ask her, she certainly didn't zoom out with her friend like she would normally do, and slowly walked as if she was thinking about what I would say to her. So maybe it was the play.

I then pull up to her side and tell her
"so I wanted to tell you in class, but I didn't want anyone else hearing, you know how nozy people are... but anyways, yesterday I realized that you actually like stops from my place, like super close, so i had an interesting thought" - my goal there was to communicate the value i place in discretion.

there she asked if i lived near xyz and I said no i live in abc, which she then explained that the stop she left at was one for a connecting bus to where she actually lives.

"i then so oh, so maybe its not as brilliant of an idea, but I was thinking... if our class is going to be as complex as it is, maybe we should review it together. We could go to my place and bounce ideas off each other."

from there the details are muddied, I know she liked the idea of studying together, but suggested we instead study at the school, i then accentuated the cozyness of my place and i don't think i was able to read her reaction to that. I think what actually happened is that hte convo went silent and she looked me in my eyes and i returned my strong eye contact. I didn't fill the space with any words, and I just looked at her. From there i said,

"so lets exchange contact info and we can set something up"

Afterwards i asked what she was doing now and she said she was going home. btw throughout this entire convo, it seemed like she was in a rush, so it adds up. the bus was about to leave.

right here though, i should have asked her to stay, first ask her if she needs to do something at her place or she just wants to leave early. Then if shes not actually busy, I can tell her

"
Skip this bus and come with me instead, there's something i'd like to show you and you could always come back here later and catch the next one."

from there I could build up the comfort that i need, and the arousal that i desperately need for this set.

Honestly boys, I think this set just doesn't have the compliance need to bring it through. My weak game in the last interaction yesterday cemented her frame of me, and now its harder for me to add a sexual vibe to it. And then couple that with me not getting her to stay with me to drive up compliance and give me more time to warm her up, i think this phone number is going to be a dud. She's in my class so I don't want to push for a close if I'm not confident it will work.

I gave her my number and asked her to text me so we can set something up, so ball in her court. If she doesn't message me, I will just open up more girls around campus and work those leads.

Also, i must say, I feel a deep infuriation with how she was walking faster/ahead of me as I was talking to her. This is the exact kind of thing that my metamorphosis here will address. I'm not sure what I would have done here, perhaps as @Atlas IV did in his recent LR+, I should have punished her in some way.

Maybe I should just walk at my own pace and if she outpaces me I dont care and put a bored look accross my face, basically subcommunicating that shes being extra/cringe/ socialy stunted. Ill do that on all my sets if i'm walking, i'll make sure shes doing so at my pace.

I'm going to relisten to SMMA when I can to instill the base framework into my mind. I only expect good and better things from now on, and I can't wait to hit up more girls.

I'm also going to look up some clips from 365 days, bradd pitt, and george clooney because i think my general vibe is off, and I should tweak it
 
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Amir

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Update on HB7 Number Grab
Definetly feels dead in the water - whats worse is that she's in my class and she definetly seems affected by my shitty attempt at a pull. Honestly, looking over the interaction, there was probably 0 attraction or compliance built, but for some reason I was confident about it.

Social Frame: in that one convo we had I was investing like 40% more than she was, espicially with eye contact.

Sexual frame: none whatsoever. i tried with eye contact and tonality but this is 100% ineffective when you don't have attention.

Emotional stim: what even is that lol. I should have dived deeper to connect with her for sure. If i dived deeper when I needed to(she mentioned some issues in her old country, maybe i could have opened her up there), it likely would have changed everything else.

for me to go for the number grab was fine, but to suggest coming to my place was just ridiculously uncalibrated. now that i think of it, I don't see this play working in ANY situation EVER. If you're trying to pull, do it when the girl is right in front of you. And if you are trying to pull over text, then you could have just pulled in person - all you've done is delay it and perhaps even reduce her compliance in the time you lost there.

So never doing that shit again.

But I think this was a very good start for me, caused me to let go of any delusions I had. Really need to work on my game, and my fundamentals(about 20 pounds more than i should be right now). Once i get those 2 locked in, i'm going to be slaying baddies

Side note: it's funny but I noticed I actually developed oneitis type symptoms for this girl. I think its solely because i haven't talked to any girls for a while, and my brain is in mad scarcity mode. As soon as I opened up tinder, all of the emotional thoughts surrounding this chick dissapeared instantly. What dissapoints me is not that I had oneitis, but that I would be worse off if I listened to my body.

I also reviewed like 30% of gunwitch SMMA
I dug through the past using the wayback machine and unearthed like 50 bacchus articles, absolute gems and looking forward to reading them again.
made a list of a bunch of articles i want to look over, and some journals to check out too. Hues, kvothes, atlas, lofty, kaida, maybe lobo's. and a bunch of the lr's. I also want to write out some useful frames/opening situations just to have them in the back of my head. Really think this will get me thinking different.

I go back to school this tuesday so looking to get some approaches back.
 
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Over the weekend I relistened to gunwitch SMMA and continued working on my fundamentals.

I also basically made like a curriculum of all the materials I'd like to look over going over all the steps of the seduction. I did the math and if it takes me 15 minutes to read an article, then at 3 hours a day I would finish all the articles in a month and a half so there's a shit ton. Obviously, lots of concepts on girls chase have been repeated over the years, so I'll probably cut down the list at some point.

Also have dave rikers, love systems body language, love systems social circle, sex god method, stirling cooper sex dominance, major mark erotic hypnosis somewhere on my list because i know those are definetly going to be useful at some point.

But the reason I did this is because I wanted to have an easily accesible library of prevetted articles that I could quickly get to during the liminal moments of life. I know the journey I'm taking will be a long one, so these small habits over time will give me the fundamental grasp over the concepts needed to achieve mastery.

This upcoming week is quite busy with exams, but i want to get at least 1 set in over 30 seconds.
 
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