- Jan 12, 2020
Bah. What we are talking about here is not seniors generally being bad coaches, it is seniors being bad coaches for people with learning disabilities. You know, in school the best teachers for normal kids are not the best teachers for kids with various learning disabilities or problematic behavior. These are even often separated so that the problematic kids will not destroy the learning environment for the normal kids, which really serves nobody as the curriculum for the normal kids will not be internalized by the problematic kids anyway. You see exactly the same dynamic here.
You are a perfect example of this, you are still bitching about race after being 6 years on this forum and complain about the management and seniors, despite you have been treated very leniently (you are still here and some people still give you advice). Also you argue and complain about lacking respect when people point out the actions you need to do in order to progress.
I think that you are missing out most of what OhPry is saying , but it is fine , it is just you being you again
Yes , but when you are focused on building value for such a long time , and already have for some time some sort of a routine that is yielding constant results , it is kinda difficult to pinpoint on your own what exactly is not working
Many thanks for helping me to pinpoint what was washy washy @Razorjack
I am sure I could talk about the exact same topics without getting any kind of auto-rejection, in fact I have also funny stories from PU-trips to places like Bulgaria.
This is not about value or talking topics, it is probably more about subcommunications and understanding target demographics.
Such things are hard to debug over written communications, but I believe impro-theatre workshops or acting lessons would remedy it. Also studying what different demographics like and dislike.
You could be right and I could be totally off base, just I recognized a lot of the reactions he was getting from my own experience.
You just need to keep in mind that girls may perceive a totally different vibe from you than him or me, so that you've never experienced the same issues.
It took me the longest time to fix my issues, because no one on mASF could understand how a girl could have sex with you but didn't want a relationship further down the road. Maybe it's a very rare problem, who knows.
Other than that, totally agree that it's very difficult to debug this over written words on a forum, without seeing the interactions in person. Unfortunately that is all we have to go by and we are dependent on the person describing their problems gives us all the relevant detail. It does happen that guys (including myself) unintentionally leave out some vital detail.
Based on this back and forth with one of the most senior member on the board , more sensitive guys could say that you are arguing and saying that he is not right , even though you knew exactly who he was and clearly not showing too much respect & just thrashing the thread .
The truth is that RJ left because the forum became polarized and toxic , mainly due to some senior members going Al Qaida when people were not agreeing with their views.
Also do not forget that the whole "new school" vs "old school" debate started because some senior members were knifing other senior members over semantics . Let's never forget that ever !
Demographics will always play a role in communication.
However, your tone of voice, pausing, pace of speech, energy levels and enthusiasm. . . have remarkably strong effects on communication. You can vary each of these behaviors I've listed here. . . while saying the exact same things. And get vastly different effects and results when seducing women.
Learn the fundamentals of delivery which I mentioned above. Calibrate by making subtle or large tweaks in your language and topic choices. . . based on the frames you want to set and various demographics. Then you will be well on your way towards using verbal game to create compliance.
You replied this to one the lower ranks member when he was saying that he does not get the same results as you when using your verbal game .
Which is a super smart explanation , and totally agree with it . But now we also have the example of verbal game used by Hector in the article written by Chase about RJ leaving the forum ( hopefully it will not be permanent ) where basically he was saying in the first few lines that he wants to bang the girl and that it works .
Some girls are closed off when you approach them. Some reject you – HARD! Some might even seem impossible to get. Is there a way to get these girls… or is there not? Over on the discussion boards, we have of late had a dustup where a collection of several of our experienced members along with...
It means that Hectors verbal game is better than yours , the same , worst ?
Well the truth is that communication is mainly non verbal , only 7% of the communication represents actually spoken words , while 93 % is about body language , voice & tone.
So to some extent you can say whatever you want to say (spoken words) , and guess what you will get the same results
My opinion is that verbal game (what you say) is quite a personal thing and a reflection of ones personality , and that it does not really matter what you actually say as long as your non verbal communication is rock solid
Now , coming back to OhPry , my personal opinion is that you do not really relate with what he said , because mainly you never really experienced what he is talking about , and of course is difficult to communicate with someone that you do not really relate to .
I also hope that you understand that I am trying to be super diplomat , and said only 20 % of what I am thinking so we do not derail the thread again .
Would kindly appreciate if you would not develop my post further , unless I am missing something ( but kinda fail to see what that would be though )