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AsianPersuasion

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The weather was crap today in Minnesota, but against my better judgement, I went out anyway to practice my conversational skills. It started really slow, and I was afraid I would have to report getting nothing, but as it turns out, I'm actually really glad I chose to dress myself up and get out there in the misty cold rain that reminded me of Seattle.
Once again, my memory isn't the best because of the length and number of conversations I had.

Woman #1: After going into H&M very quickly, shivering, I looked around to find people, but didn't see anyone. This was the place I got the number yesterday, so I had high hopes though. I went to buy a vest, and while I was waiting in line, I spotted a woman with the most awesome hair I had ever seen, and so I got out of line to let her know my thoughts.

Me: "I didn't want to be one of those guys who stared at you from a distance and didn't even come by to tell you how great you looked. I'm AP, and I think you look stunning!"
Her: "Oh thank you! I'm (name)!"
Me: "So what are you doing here.. Besides talking with an awesome guys of course."
Her: "Haha, I'm just shopping around!"
Me: "Wait, before I continue.. How old are you?"
Her: "I'm thirty!"
Me: "REALLY? Wow, you honestly look like someone more around my age."
Her: "Yeah, plus I live with my boyfriend. I can still talk to you though!"
Me: "So what do you do for a living?"
Her: "I do hair and make-up in Bloomington."
Me: "Huh.. You're the first person I've met in the hair business.. That means your really into fashion and art right?"
Her: "Well, I try to be, haha! Not today though anyway."
Me: "Shit... If you're dressed that nice on a lazy day, I'm curious to see what you put on when you're dressed to kill!"

This is when the conversation stagnated.. I tried to lead it to how she got into hair and makeup and if she had the artist personality, but I never got anything that I could use to continue the conversation, so I we ended up parting ways and I went to pay for my vest again.

Girl #1 I went shop to shop trying to find girls to approach, but the place was scarcer than usual. I had various conversations with the hired guns at the shops, but didn't dare hit on them so I could continue using their place as a hunting ground. Eventually, I gave up and settled on trying to pick up a girl with pink hair I had met previously while walking by, but decided against trying anything.

Me: "You know, you've got the most creative hair I've ever seen! I'm AP, what's your name?"
Her: "Haha, thank you! I'm (name)"
Me: "How old are you?"
Her: "17."
Me: "Really? Me too! What school do you go to then?"
Her: "The Math and Science Academy."
Me: "I didn't even know one existed! Haha, does that mean you plan on going into a math or science major."
Her: "I guess so.. I mean, that's kinda what everyone at the school does when they graduate."
Me: "That's no reason to decide a career.. Haha, I mean, you're your own person, and you can be whatever you want to be... To be honest, you seemed to me more like an art person with that hair."
Her: "Haha, I'm actually a little bit of both!"
Me: "Cool! So am I! What kind do you tend to create? Pictures, photography, music...?"
Her: "Um.. I play guitar!"
Me: "Really? I do too! Can I see your hand?" *I felt her fingers for callouses that guitar players receive.*
Her: "I just took off the callouses actually."
Me: "Keeping your hands soft for someone special huh?"
Her: "Hahahahaha! No! It's not like that!"
Me: "Why not? I know I love soft hands. How long have you been playing?"
Her: "Not too long.. About 3 years."
Me: "Eight for me.. Though my progress stopped after I quit lessons three years ago."
Her: "Wow, that's really long! My boyfriend played for seven though. Me and him play together a lot."

I continued conversing with the girl anyway, planning on asking for her number at the end so we could be friends. The conversation shifted from music, to why she didn't plan on joining that industry. After she asked me what I wanted to do, and I launched my monologue about wanting to be a doctor that would change the medical system, I borrowed Artisan's line.

Me: "So now that I'm done with this whole monologue, it's your turn. Tell me something unique about you."

Before she could answer, her manager said something, and she ended up disappearing somewhere in the back. I waited for a while for her to come back so we could exchange numbers, but I grew impatient.. Especially because she wasn't single, so I headed out. I'll ask later.

Girl #2: This one was at DSW browsing alone. This conversation was kind of painful.
Me: "I didn't want to be one of those guys who just let you walk by without letting you know how great you look.. I'm AP, you look amazing!"
Her: "Oh thanks! I'm (name)"
Me: "So what are you doing here? You know, besides flirting with an awesome guy?"
Her: "I'm just shopping around."
Me: "For any event specifically?"
Her: "No."
Me: "Wait. Before I continue, how old are you?"
Her: "I'm 13."
Me: "Wow, really? I'm 17!"
Her: "Yeah, I look a lot older than I am don't I?"
Me: "Yeah, you look pretty enough to be someone my age!" (Not the best answer, but I was improvising.)
Her: "Thanks!"
Me: "What school do you go to?"
Her: "Um... I don't think I should say.."
Me: "Why not? I go to Tartan... So anyway, tell me something awesome about you! I'm totally putting you on the spot."
Her: "Um.. I play volleyball.. and I dance.."
Me: "Oh, cool! What kind of dance?"
Her: "Hip-hop"
Me: "Can you do body rolls?"
Her: "Haha, yes."
Me: "I've been trying to learn hip-hop dancing on youtube so I wouldn't look completely stiff on the dancefloor.. I've actually been looking for a teacher, but for now, I'm stuck with beginner videos."
Her: "Haha"
Me: "Do you do any latin dancing?"
Her: "No."
Me: "I know some basics of that too."

Thankfully, her mom called her phone and she had to go. I was losing threads to talk about, so I was pretty thankful that it happened.

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Potential Success #1: I drove to my old hunting grounds after dropping my mom off and as I was walking through the door, a gorgeous Latina walked out. After I passed her, I called back and told her how great she looked. She's the first walking girl who was walking fast to actually stop when I opened her.

Me: "I didn't want to be one of those guys that just let you walk past me without telling you how great you looked. You look absolutely adorable! I'm AP!"
Her: "Aww, thank you! I'm (name)"
Me: "Did you just come in for the starbucks or something?" *gesturing to the coffee in her hands*
Her: "No, I actually work at Barnes & Nobles and now I'm off haha!"
Me: "Really? Wait.. Before I continue, how old are you?"
Her: "I'm 19."
Me: "So that means you're still in school then huh?"
Her: "No.. Well, yeah, but college."
Me: "For what major?"
Her: "I don't know, I'm still indecisive! Haha!"
Me: "Well, you're young and attractive, so you've got plenty of time!"
Her: "Haha! Thank you!"
Me: "Not just as a pretty girl either. Look at you! *gesturing to her clothes* You're a pimp! Well, if you could have any job in the world, what would it be? I know I'd like to be a rock star."
Her: "Haha, rockstar.. I don't know.. I'm so indecisive! Haha, I'd need them to hire me first!"
Me: "Well all you'd have to do is give the manager a wink and a smile and you'd be in for sure."
Her: "Haha, yeah, I wish it worked that way. My boyfriend is waiting for me though, so I have to get going!"
Me: "Oh, okay! I wouldn't want to delay you."
Her: "Thanks for the compliment though!"
Me: "Wait.. I know you said you had a boyfriend, but I think you're really cool and I would like to get to know you better. Do you think we could exchange numbers?"
Her: "Um... Could you give me yours?"
Me: "Why?"
Her: "Well, I don't feel comfortable giving you mine just yet. I'll text you though!"
Me: "Pinky swear?"
Her: "Haha, yes!"

We pinky swore, I gave her my number, and hugged her goodbye. Normally I'd write off one of these as a girl trying to let me off nicely, but hey... pinky swear is some powerful shit.

Girl #3: When you approach, the best thing that can happen is getting a date, and the worst is that you get a funny story to tell. This is one I'll probably tell my bros and laugh about it. This one was shopping with her sister.

Me: "I didn't want to be one of those guys that walked right past you without telling you how great you looked. I'm AP! What's your name?"
Her: "Thank you! I'm (name)"
Me: *turning to the sister* "Are you her sister? Hi, I'm AP! I won't be long, I promise!"
Sister: "How old are you?"
Me: "17?"
Sister: "She's eleven. *tugs away sister* Let's go."

Whoops.

Success #1: I saw a gorgeous blonde at a piercing shop with her friend. They were at the front desk, so I hesitated at first to approach, but I went anyway.

Me: "I didn't want to be one of those guys that just walked past without telling you how great you looked. I'm AP, and I think you look amazing!"
Her: "Oh my god! Thank you! I'm Morgan!"
Me: "Wait.. Before I continue, how old are you?"
Her: "18. How old are you?"
Me: "I'm 18 too! Barely legal!"
Her: "Haha!"
Friend: "Hi!"
Me: "Hi there! I'm AP, are you two friends?"
Friend: "Yeah!"
Me: "Sorry if I'm interrupting anything between you two!"
Friend: "No you're fine! Just keep talking to her and forget about me!"
Me: "So 18 huh.. That means you're still in school. What are you planning on majoring in?"
Her: "I want to be a medical coder."
Me: "Oh, so you're into the medical field too huh?"
Her: "Um sorta. I'm just going to be the one in the back entering in the information, and that kind of stuff!"
Me: "Huh.. that's interesting... Why coder then? Why not medical doctor or nurse?"
Her: "I'm terrified of blood! Haha, what about you? You're into the medical field?"

And so my monologue about being the doctor that changed the medical field began. At the end..

Me: "So now that I've given you all that, it's your turn. Tell me something awesome about you!"
Her: "Umm... I don't know.. *turns to her friend* What's something awesome about me?"
Friend: "Haha, um.. She plays volleyball.. She gets scared easily.."
Her: "No I don't!"
Me: "So does that mean I'm scaring you?"
Her: "No, you're fine! Haha! (name of friend)!"
Friend: "I'm trying to keep it positive! Haha, let's see.."
Me: "Everyone's got something special about them."

The woman about to do her piercing came up and asked if I was here for anything. When I told her I was just talking to her customer, she said as long as I wasn't harassing her, I was fine.

Me: "No, don't worry! I'm not bothering you, am I?"
Her: "No, he's not."

She was still trying to think of something when it was time for her to get the piercing.

Me: "Okay, well I think you're a really cool person, and I'd really like to see you again. Do you think we could-"
Her: "Yeah! We can exchange numbers!"
Me: "Perfect! What's your number... And when do you think we might be able to meet up?"
Her: "I'm not sure yet.. Just text me and I'll let you know!"

So I asked for her name one last time before I headed out and kissed her hand after I shook it one more time, wishing her good luck. This one has texted me back, and we're currently working on logistics.

Girl #4: I saw this one as she was coming up the elevator as I was coming down. I opened normally, but she was catching up with family and her boyfriend, so the conversation didn't last.

Girl #5: This one was sitting on a couch alone and looking glum, so I went over, sat down and opened.

Me: "You look a little sad. Something wrong?"

She talked about how she had lost her friend and was hoping that he got her message, but she was otherwise stranded at the mall. We introduced ourselves, but after I asked her age, and she asked mine, she told me she wasn't interested in younger guys.. At the very least barely legal was too young.. But then she said it also depended on if they could drive. When I told her I could drive, she asked if I could take her home, and I saw this as an instant date opportunity, so I took it.
We talked on the way out, but before I could get to know her, her friend came to retrieve her. I left the place anyway, because I thought I saw the other two girls and didn't want to be seen doing anything risky that might hurt my chances, because I had a really good feeling about that girl.

Things I did well:
1) I'm not cracking under pressure and stopping the conversation prematurely
2) I'm getting far more comfortable making conversation from nothing
3) My conversations are getting deeper and more personal
4) My approach anxiety is now almost non-existant.. In fact, I look forward to each one.

Things I could improve on:
1) Conversation still needs work
2) I need more infield practice with people I wouldn't normally relate with
3) I need to learn to tell a girl's age better
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

TomGray

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Nice FR, Asian. You're progressing well. I wish I discovered this site when I was 17. One thing I've picked up on is that you seem to be overqualifying the girls. Hot girls know that they're hot, it doesn't do to keep telling them about it. Just open with a compliment and then qualify them genuinely not effusively. You could take it even further and "treat the whore like a queen and the queen like a whore".
 

AsianPersuasion

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Hey TomGrey! I definitely need to work on that. Right now I'm not as good at conversation as I'd like to be, so I need something to prevent the girls from auto-rejecting and thinking I'm just going around indiscriminately taking numbers... I am kinda, but they really don't need to know that.
Once I get better at finding ways to qualify the girls via their personality and who they really are, I won't rely on compliments about the way they look too much. Until then, I'm just improvising, and looking for anything I can find to qualify them.

Once I get my conversation down, I'll be on my way to treating queens like whores.
 

Laowai

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Nice, nice.

Me: "Wait, before I continue.. How old are you?"
Her: "I'm thirty!"

Why do you keep asking their age? Does is aid/progress the pick-up? No. It's just like when you asked them "do you have a BF / are you single" fairly early on. It doesn't gain you anything, but it makes them acutely aware that you're much younger than them. Avoid, unless they ask.

Her: "Um.. I play guitar!"
Me: "Really? I do too! Can I see your hand?" *I felt her fingers for callouses that guitar players receive.*

You gotta relate better to that. Her playing the guitar is special - make her feel special for doing something special. There was a good conversational thread to expand on and connect on, but you didn't.

Me: "Keeping your hands soft for someone special huh?"
Her: "Hahahahaha! No! It's not like that!"

Lols. Good, sly framing of her sexually.

Her: "Wow, that's really long! My boyfriend played for seven though. Me and him play together a lot."

Ouch.

Me: "So now that I'm done with this whole monologue, it's your turn. Tell me something unique about you."

She's already told you lots of why she's unique. Make sure you qualify her on THAT to make her feel special and appreciated. Artisan's line is best used at the beginning and for fast number-closes.

We pinky swore, I gave her my number, and hugged her goodbye. Normally I'd write off one of these as a girl trying to let me off nicely, but hey... pinky swear is some powerful shit.

Pinky swearing is the bomb.

Me: "So does that mean I'm scaring you?"

Avoid any negative framing of yourself.

"Perfect! What's your number... And when do you think we might be able to meet up?"

Better to ask for her schedule. "What's your schedule like for the next few days?"

You should be checking for their logistics at the start of the convo. Are they waiting for smb? If they are, get their number faster.

Also, what did you learn about women, self-improvement, and pick-up on that session out? (Hint: you can use some of the feedback I just gave you ;) )

All in all, you're doing excellent. Take better care to qualify them on what they say and do, except for just complimenting them on their looks.
 

AsianPersuasion

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Thanks for the feedback Laowai! I'll do some hunting before and after my job interview at a nearby mall... Just not in that specific store in the mall of course.

Lessons learned:
1) I need to do a better job at qualifying the girl with more than just what she looks like
2) I need to think faster and react to good threads that I can expand
3) Age, relationship status, asking about either of these are not useful to my seduction... I'll leave it out in the future.
4) Better frame control would be great
5) My compliments and comments become a lot more sincere and less gamey the more I interact with new people. Regardless of whether or not I get a date on that day, these interactions are helping me grow.
 

Smurf

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Nice AP!

That Morgan girl seemed extremely receptive to you! That sounds like it could definitely lead to something! Also, the way her friend let you talk to her and was actually helping you seems like a good sign also. You must have you fundi's at a good level, man!

Keep that shit up bro, and "pinky promise", you'll have an LR before the summer ends!

Jake
 

AsianPersuasion

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Thanks Jake D.! I'm going to call Morgan tomorrow when I am with my friends. I went up to her alone, and I don't want to give her the impression that I am always alone.

I do hope that something happens between us. She was cool about the whole thing, so I'm curious to see the rest of her personality
 

PinotNoir

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Hey man, I've recently started reading some of your FRs, and you've got some balls, no doubt haha. Are they like 100 lbs each?

The 11 year old story is great haha. I actually had a similar thing happen to me. I was at the bookstore flirting with this girl for a long time, until she dropped her age on me... She was like 16, and I was 25 at the time (26 now), so I gracefully said goodbye... Now, I always bring up "what college do you go to?" or something to frame their age out of it. I never ask a girl's age directly; however, in an article by Chase, he suggests doing it for older women. Ask the age real quick, make a joke about it like it's not big deal, and then quickly talk about something else. I personally haven't tried that technique yet, but I suggest not asking for an age (even with younger girls) unless she starts hinting at yours. Instead, just stick to asking about school like you have.

Try to change these lines up:

I didn't want to be one of those guys who just let you walk by without letting you know how great you look.
For the pink hair girl, you commented on something unique to her that you liked. Try to pick something personal to them that you like, else women can pick up on this being a "line." Luckily, this will work fine for girls in your age range, but the older they get, the more savvy they become.

So what are you doing here? You know, besides flirting with an awesome guy?
This can come off too arrogant too fast. Even if a hot girl walked up to me and said this, it would put me off. You also don't want to be hit with, "What awesome guy? Where is he?" The women in your area seem pretty nice though. However, if the conversation is going excellent, then I don't have as much of a problem with this, but at the beginning, she doesn't know that you are awesome yet. I would even prefer this line over the above, "What are you doing here? Besides breaking men's hearts. ;)" I say drop it, and just think of something else entirely.

Lastly, there seem to be a lot of taken women in your area! I assume most are telling the truth, but you never know. I suggest framing this early subtly: "So will your boyfriend get made that you're flirting with me?" With women, it's best to be subtle (except on the direct opener, that is fine). If you find out that she has a boyfriend, I suggest ending it a little quicker for now. It's good to get conversation practice and practice getting around either the truth or lie, but it may not be worth it right now. If you know some information about her, you can end it with that, "Well, hey, I gotta get going, very busy. But, since you play guitar, I also play bass/drums/piano. We should trade contact information and jam sometime?" If she says something like "my boyfriend wouldn't like that," I like to say, "What is this? 1912? I didn't think men still controlled women. I'm just looking for innocent fun... ;)" or instead of the last sentence, just frame it more as a friend, "I just want to hang out is all." However, don't get attached to these girls, probably just friend zoning yourself, but you never know...

I think in 2 years you'll start writing articles for GirlsChase haha. You got potential, and I wish I had known about all of this stuff when I was 17! Best of luck.
 

AsianPersuasion

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Thanks for your faith in me PinotNoir! I think that 1912 line is genius, and I'll definitely be using that! I've never once seen a pick up boot camp advertisement in Minnesota for even our nicest city due to the scarcity in women, and to make matters worse, I happen to live in a small suburb outside that city. Though the difficulty makes for a great training ground, my best option is the mall because it's one of the few places somewhat populated.

I do need to work on getting more unique compliments because I'm feeling bad for saying the same thing to every girl. Unfortunately I can't look dead at her, so I'll need to learn to think faster the moment we make eye contact.
 
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