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A couple of days ago I got my first cold approach lay, after hundreds of rejections over the last couple of months. Not only that, but it was with a girl I considered a personal 10.

The approach:

I went out with two of my wings for some night street game, in ripped black jeans, a black scoop neck t-shirt, black Chelsea boots and a new denim jacket. Decided to try out this new less formal style as I wasn’t having much success with my more formal style in previous weeks (I suspect it may have been due to attainability issues)

We had been walking around the bar district for around an hour – we’d had a couple of strong group interactions but no real hooks. It was around 8pm, and still light out. Everyone was dressed up – it was Saturday night. I was getting a little frustrated with myself as my wings had been the ones to open most of the sets and I hadn’t really pushed myself.

That’s when I spotted her in my periphery. A sexy blonde with a ponytail and banging bod in activewear walking in the opposite direction. She wasn’t dressed up like everyone else. “This one” I thought without hesitation. I told my wings I was going for it, turned around, and ran up beside her, opening indirect. "Aren't you cold? I'm wearing a jacket and I am freezing, I can't even imagine what you're feeling right now"

She turned to face me and that’s when I realized how hot this girl actually was. Lightly tanned skin, sexy lips, perfect white teeth. She was a personal 10. I hid my interest first up. She laughed and we got to chatting as she walked. Found out she was walking home. She asked me where I was headed - I told her I was heading to meet my friends at a certain bar which was on the way (lies, I'd just ditched them). I found out she was a former flight attendant who had lost her job due to COVID (I got very excited about this, I have always had a thing for sexy flight attendants)

I made my interest clear after looking at her face a couple times, feigning a sudden interest. "Wow, you're cute. I didn't realize how cute you actually were before when I started talking to you". She went a bit quite and I couldn't tell what she was thinking, but the convo continued.

We got to the point where I had to turn off to head to my bar. She asked me which way I was going - I told her right. Without hesitation she said "I'll come walk with you!". And so we went, walking for another couple of minutes. On the way I seeded the date by talking about where I lived and the nice rooftop that just opened up nearby. When I got to the bar, I stopped to look at her. She started mumbling something - I think she was getting a bit nervous, which blew my mind. I couldn’t believe that I was making this girl nervous. I told her I had to go, but that if she was down, I'd love to show her that rooftop bar sometime. She quickly agreed, but still seemed nervous. "Do you have Instagram?" she asked. "I do, but don't really use it too much, I'll take your number". She gave it to me.

As I was entering it she started mumbling something again which made no sense at all. I gave a little laugh. "Don't worry, here, I'll call you so you have my number" and called it. She smiled and seemed relieved. We said our goodbyes and left - but she turned around to go back the complete other direction. She'd clearly come well out of her way just so she could keep talking to me. Some of the guys mentioned that I should have gone for the SNL. With how attracted she was to me, I probably could have. But I played it safe – at the time I was thinking my value would tank in her eyes if I ditched my friends to hang out with her. I called my friends afterwords, told them to meet me at the bar and we spent the rest of the night opening more sets.

Setting the date

I sent an icebreaker text the next morning. She responded, telling me how she had waited in line for an hour for ramen the previous night. I teased her about this, and immediately asked her schedule. She told me she was available Friday – I agreed to this (six days in advance – this was before my FU where you guys recommended not locking in a date this far in advance).

We got into some light chit chat throughout the week. She was asking me a lot of questions (how was your day/week etc.) and shared details about herself such as where she worked (COVID related). I answered on occasion, but sometimes deliberately ignored what she was saying, instead keeping things light and flirty (saying things like, “I’m going to bring a Hazmat suit on Friday, just in case”

On Thursday night, she texted telling me that there was a chance work was going to call her in on Friday, and asked if I was available Saturday. I actually had plans that evening, so was honest and told her that I would have to get back to her (but realistically, I knew I was going to go and cut short my other plans (beach with friends). I did this to make myself seem less available, as Velasco suggested. Friday rolled around, she confirmed that she couldn’t do tonight, I again told her I would confirm if I could do tomorrow later to keep the suspense. I then confirmed that evening.

The date

My original plan was to go to my usual bar, then head to the rooftop after 1-2 drinks. I couldn’t get a booking for my original bar due to the reschedule (I had made one for Friday), so we headed straight to the bottom floor of the rooftop which allowed walk-ins.

I got there first and found a table. She arrived 10 minutes later looking super sexy in a white lace top and pink shorts. We were sitting opposite each other which wasn’t ideal.

From the get-go she was enthusiastic, looking at me excitedly. I found out that she was actually 30 – a couple of years older than me. Pretty early on she set a sexual frame by bringing up how she loved dolphins because they were the only animals apart from humans that enjoyed sex. We started lightly joking back and forth about having sex with dolphins– I didn’t really take advantage of this opportunity to dig deeper into other sexual topics.

I knew what I was dealing with when, half an hour into the date, I extended my hand out across the table to make a point and she grabbed it. This was kind of awkward, we were now holding hands across the table. I relaxed my hand but she was holding on. She was looking at me almost needily. I was pretty stressed at this point – because I knew there was a real chance of me missing an escalation window and her enthusiasm dying down.

After 40 minutes I knew it was time to move. I suggested we go upstairs to check out the rooftop as I had promised her. The only problem was, this was Saturday night. The venue was absolutely packed. We couldn’t get up to the rooftop – she told me that we’d have to check it out another time. So we headed down again – I still felt it was too soon to pull and I wanted to physically escalate some more, she suggested sitting somewhere else - I picked a quite corner of the bar with stools so we could sit next to each other. We talked there for another 40 minutes, getting a few more drinks.

I made sure to hold on to her at points, putting my face really close to hers when I couldn’t hear what she was saying. I really wanted to kiss her but restrained myself from doing so. I found out she was into star signs which I ribbed her about. When she told me she was a cancer I playfully grabbed her and pulled her in close, saying “Don’t be so hard on yourself”. I seeded the pull by bringing up TV shows, and telling her that I didn’t really enjoy watching them by myself and only with other people.

The pull

Around 9:30 (we’d been there for an hour and a half total) downstairs started to get packed and loud – they were setting up the dance floor and all the 18 year olds were coming downstairs. We got one last drink – and then I suggested we find somewhere quieter after this – she agreed. At this point I went for the pull. “Hey, you know how earlier I was saying that I only enjoy watching TV shows with other people? I think we should do that, it’ll be fun (and quiet). She paused for a moment, then agreed, saying that she’d have to leave early as she had to be up early the next morning.

On the way back, she told me she was hungry. We stopped at a fast food joint on the way back – and like a fool I agreed to her suggestion of sitting down to eat. While we waited I remembered reading here that nothing defuses sexual tension more than when this happens – I told myself that when the food arrived, I was just going to naturally suggest we walk with it instead. As luck would have it, the joint messed up and thought we had said takeaway so I suggested we bounce and walk and she agreed.

Back at mine, we sat on the couch, put on the TV, and within 5 minutes were making out. No LMR.

I won’t go into full detail but want to point out a couple of memorable moments.

  • This girl looked absolutely flawless. Tightly toned athletic body, perfect skin, beautiful blonde hair done up in a ponytail, sexy lips and stunningly white teeth. The whole time it honestly didn’t feel real. I couldn’t believe this was actually happening. Not only that, but I couldn’t believe how enthusiastic she was for me.
  • I made her cum with my fingers within the first 10 minutes using the “come hither” motion to hit her G-spot – which I’d read in the 8 types of orgasm routine just last week. She directed me a little bit which made me feel a little insecure. After she came she immediately said “My god, you are amazing” and pulled me in for a passionate kiss. She complimented me throughout, telling me how sexy I was and how nice my cock was. I made sure to tell her how sexy she was too.
  • My housemates were out – when she found this out she excitedly said that “we have so many options”. She was extremely flexible and contorting herself on the couch in really sexy positions. This made me insecure about my limited experience – I felt like I was wasting the opportunity and was getting nervous that at any moment I would give myself away as having limited experience. This still fills me with dread.
  • While she was sucking me off, I felt myself getting close. I told her to hold off because I wouldn’t be able to control myself and wanted to fuck her first. She asked me “you won’t be able to go for multiple rounds?”. This made me insecure, because it’s true. I have an extremely long refractory period. I want to find out how to reduce this because it honestly worries me and makes me doubt my ability to ever become a really good lover.
  • I banged her in a couple of different positions on the couch, but it kept going soft which was really frustrating. I think it was due to excessive masturbation over the last couple of months (due to all the frustration of interacting with so many pretty girls but not closing). She was a champion, and didn’t hesitate to go down on me for as long as it took to get hard again, even with the condom on.
  • After about half an hour of this when I was still going soft (damn cock!), she told me she was happy for me to finish in her mouth. I had to actually concentrate really hard to do it – again I think it was because of the excessive masturbation – what set me over was thinking about the first time I saw her face after I approached her, how hot she was, how sexy her lips and how hot it was that they were wrapped around my cock right now.
Post Sex

We cuddled on the couch before she had to leave. She asked me what my schedule was looking like. Like a fool, I feigned aloofness and said that I was pretty busy, but that my Tuesday was free. She mentioned that she was going to be travelling interstate. We shared a passionate kiss and then she left. I told her to text me when she got home. She did, thanking me for the night. I said it was my pleasure and wished her goodnight. I feel like I should have qualified her saying that I had a fun night too, but in my elevated state of excitement I wasn’t thinking straight.

Where to now

I feel like I have dropped the ball. Post sex, I feel like I wasn’t as warm with her as I should have been – and I’m worried now that I might send her into auto-rejection. This was made even worse by the fact that, two days later (yesterday) I had another date I was running late for and accidentally texted her, which she jokingly responded to. “Hope whoever you were late for got the message lol”. I feel like it’s coming across like I don’t value her at all and only wanted her for one thing. I texted her today saying that I enjoyed Saturday and want to see her again.

One important point though – she accidentally took my necklace with her, and is planning on dropping it back to me. This means we may get some more face to face interaction soon. Either that, or she will drop it on my doorstep when I’m at work.

I feel like my post sex aloofness, in combination with the fact that I wasn’t able to stay hard, means that she won’t want to meet again. I hope I am wrong.

Either way, even if it ends up being bittersweet, this will always be one of the most memorable moments of my life. And it’s all thanks to GC and you guys.
 
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One important point though – she accidentally took my necklace with her, and is planning on dropping it back to me.


Looks like you two are meeting again.

To be honest since she's so into you and she's your perfect 10 as you said, you should be warmer to her, make her feel special rather than make her feel like she's been pump'n'dumped.

Let us know about how the second date goes ;)
 

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So, update on this. It's been almost three weeks since this happened now and I haven't been able to get her out to meet again. She has been slower with her responses. "I've been very busy" or "forgetting" to reply but still seems open to meeting again. I honestly think that because of the sex not being great she is just out there looking for a better deal but keeping me on the backburner. Doesn't feel good.. at all.

Regarding the necklace, some interesting observations in my texting. A quick summary:

1. I reengaged her when she came back from interstate a week after we slept together, saying I hope Friday went well (the funeral) and that she hadn't been called in for any more last minute shifts (call back to when she had been before and I had to shift our date). Got no response until two days later when she "forgot" to reply due to a massive week. She asked me how mine had been. I told her about a new improv class I'd started taking and invited her to make cocktails with me with a new cocktail making book I'd just gotten. No response.

2. Two days later, I figured it was dead, and asked for my necklace back. I didn't use any emojis or any exclamation marks. Simply greeted her and asked for her to drop it off, saying I was happy if she dropped it out the front. She responded within 10 minutes with a big paragraph telling me about how it was amazing I was doing improv, how she had done it in school and that it still made her nervous, commenting on the cocktail making book, and saying she was still happy for a catchup but has had no time (with plenty of emojis) and that she was happy to drop the necklace off tomorrow. Perhaps she sensed she was losing me?

3. I responded saying "maybe we can practice to conquer those nerves ;)" and responded to her questions, then asked for her schedule so we could have those drinks and told her she could just give me the necklace then. No response for 24 hours.

4. So again, I wanted to see if this would work again. Sent another text saying something along the lines of "Hey, actually, it would be ideal if I got the necklace back before the end of the week (this was Monday) and gave her my address, asking her to drop it out the front if that worked otherwise to save it for drinks. Again, no emojis or exclamation marks. She responded within 20 minutes saying she'd be able to drop it off tomorrow as she was in my area, and apologizing saying she had meant to do it today (even though I hadn't given her my address and had told her to save it for drinks)

5. I thanked her, not saying anything else. She then within 10 minutes responded to my schedule request, saying she was free Friday - I told her I would have to get back to her about that (even though I was free) and suggested that Sunday might work better instead. She said she would have to wait on her schedule for Sunday.

6. Next day (Tuesday), she dropped the necklace off at my house and texted me (I was at work). I thanked her. Reason I got her to drop it off is I felt it was weird using the necklace as a bargaining chip for her to meet up with me again. I wanted her to meet with me again of her own accord, not feeling like she was obligated to because of the necklace.

7. Wednesday I text her Velascos "I have some good news and some bad news" text saying I was free Friday but only after 8. She responds saying that actually she had to work early the next morning and could really use the sleep, and asking if we could aim for next week. I responded "Gotta get that beauty sleep ;P. Sure, that's fine. Still let me know about Sunday!". Probably too many emojis and exclamation marks.

That was Wednesday, it is now Sunday and nothing.

So yeah, overall, a bit of a bummer. My city went into lockdown again for five days yesterday too so technically we wouldn't have even been able to meet today (We would have been able to bend the truth and say we were partners, which she would have done if the sex was amazing).

Since she works in a COVID related job, I'm going to use the new lockdown as an excuse to reengage her today.

This is really a great but painful example of how sex can change everything. It's been the difference between me sitting her typing this vs hanging out with her making cocktails, banging and having her be head over heels for me the same way she was in the week leading up to and during the date.
 
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@Beam/Revival,

I removed most of those IRT posts. Left a few in discussing it for context in the thread (let me know if you want the other mentions of that here out as well, though).

Nice one on the lay. Nothing better than getting a girl you think is REALLY hot, who is also way into you. It's basically "match made in heaven" stuff.

I agree, sounds like she was pretty hard up looking for an SNL that night. Lucky she was still on the market later on when you met! A lot of times if a girl's looking that hard, she's going to find it, and if the guy is good she's going to be satisfied and not really looking anymore.

If you have a long refractory period, just tell her that: "Oh man it's the worst with me. Once I finish it's like 2 hours before I'm hard again."

Cut the masturbation, and definitely don't watch porn. Real women are a lot more exciting when the only way you see a naked female body is when you undress it with your own two hands. Any jerking off you do should be spent thinking about past lays or fantasizing realistic scenarios about how new ones might play out.

With a girl who's a 10 for you, you should basically just not give up so long as she is still responding.

Call her on the phone and get her onto phone calls. If she won't come out to meet, at least keep things warm, keep the vibe up, and keep building connection + interest. At some point she is going to say, "Well, screw it, I ought to meet him again," especially if she is not meeting anyone else. Judging by how frustrated she was at the idea of losing you when you met her, she is probably not meeting a lot of anyone else right now.

I would just quit masturbating totally if you can help it. Then prepare yourself for the possibility that when you meet up with her, you might cum quick. Just mentally prepare yourself to spend a night with her, and explain it to her: "Hey, last time I felt like my performance wasn't up to snuff. Honestly with COVID and everything I'd been jerking it a bit too much. Makes you bad in bed as a guy. So I laid off that, but it might mean I'm going to be a little sensitive the first round or two, since it's been a few weeks and we're still new to each other. I've got that long refractory period, but if we're spending the night together we're still going to get a few more sessions in. I just wanted to get all that out upfront so you weren't like 'What's going on with this guy?'"

That's going to take a lot of pressure off you as well, telling her that. Then you can just chill out and enjoy the girl instead of worrying about your performance.

Meantime, just be on her like you're kinda already her boyfriend. Lay off the false scarcity too much. Don't be totally available, but do more "Hey, we both keep missing each other. Let me know when you're free and I'll find a way to make it work."

Then if you have to take a day off work or whatever it is, just do that.

Maybe that doesn't play into the whole "a seducer's never supposed to chase women" or whatever it is thing, but you've already laid this girl, you just need to converted. Once you've been in her a few times she'll be a lot more available to you with her schedule and less flakey/uncertain about meeting up. Meanwhile, you need to do whatever you need to to get her out, lay the pipe a few more times, and turn her into a regular.

Chase
 

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Thanks for removing those posts - I deleted one but the rest are ok for some context.

It's good hearing that you can just speak your mind on these things. I tend to be really hard on myself. "I can't admit weakness, I can't admit I have a long refractory period or I'm going to cum quick, I'm supposed to be a manly stallion since that's the image she has of me. If that image gets shattered she won't want anything to do with me" which ironically has been pushing women away after sex. Allowing myself to be vulnerable already feels comforting but is still challenging - something I have to get used to doing in the moment.

Regarding masturbation, I've tried no-fap a couple of times - it generally makes me a lot more awkward and outcome dependent I find. But yeah, will definitely cut it down and remove porn altogether. I've also been using lube now every time to reduce death grip and restore the sensations back.

She texted me back at midnight last night and I responded. I actually have to travel interstate for work next week for two weeks which sucks (from this perspective, it's actually a really cool opportunity work wise). I texted her this a couple of hours ago and said that we should aim to catch up before I leave. Will keep the board posted.
 

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Texted her Wednesday evening, it's Friday now and no response. I leave on Monday morning. Disappointed, we're probably not going to be meeting before I leave - would the best option be trying to call tomorrow or leave a voice note/video on Whatsapp for a possible Sunday meet, or cool it for the next two weeks while I am away and reengage when I get back? Obviously Sunday meet is ideal but I don't know, this might come across as really needy if I call or video message tomorrow for a next day meet, especially since she hasn't been responding quickly/at all.

Call her on the phone and get her onto phone calls. If she won't come out to meet, at least keep things warm, keep the vibe up, and keep building connection + interest. At some point she is going to say, "Well, screw it, I ought to meet him again," especially if she is not meeting anyone else. Judging by how frustrated she was at the idea of losing you when you met her, she is probably not meeting a lot of anyone else right now.

So, I can either push for a Sunday meet, cool it completely for two weeks and reengage when I get back or periodically check in on her over the next two weeks by keeping things fun and lighthearted, building the connection, making no mention of meeting up until she starts thinking the above. I think Option C is the best way forward but would be open to opinions.. two more weeks is a long time especially considering it's almost been a month now already...
 
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So here is the deal on repeat hookups...If she wants one she will be clear as day about it. "come stay with me tonight"...." can't wait to have your cock in me again".....etc.

I'd say go silent the next couple weeks and only speak if spoken to. Plowing another field so to speak will make that more bearable....
 

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Texted her Wednesday evening, it's Friday now and no response. I leave on Monday morning. Disappointed, we're probably not going to be meeting before I leave - would the best option be trying to call tomorrow or leave a voice note/video on Whatsapp for a possible Sunday meet, or cool it for the next two weeks while I am away and reengage when I get back? Obviously Sunday meet is ideal but I don't know, this might come across as really needy if I call or video message tomorrow for a next day meet, especially since she hasn't been responding quickly/at all.



So, I can either push for a Sunday meet, cool it completely for two weeks and reengage when I get back or periodically check in on her over the next two weeks by keeping things fun and lighthearted, building the connection, making no mention of meeting up until she starts thinking the above. I think Option C is the best way forward but would be open to opinions.. two more weeks is a long time especially considering it's almost been a month now already...
You still approaching? Oneitis is oneitis no matter how hot she is .. don't let it slow you down when you're just getting started.
 

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You still approaching? Oneitis is oneitis no matter how hot she is .. don't let it slow you down when you're just getting started.
I am but am trying to be a little more persistent with this one, since I have nothing to lose.
So here is the deal on repeat hookups...If she wants one she will be clear as day about it. "come stay with me tonight"...." can't wait to have your cock in me again".....etc.

I'd say go silent the next couple weeks and only speak if spoken to. Plowing another field so to speak will make that more bearable....
It hurts that this didn't happen (or has ever happened for me really). But yeah, I'm going to go silent. But won't give up that easily - I might ping her with something funny in a couple weeks)
 

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I made her cum with my fingers within the first 10 minutes using the “come hither” motion to hit her G-spot – which I’d read in the 8 types of orgasm routine just last week. She directed me a little bit which made me feel a little insecure. After she came she immediately said “My god, you are amazing” and pulled me in for a passionate kiss.
Which routine is that? I'm interested lol

She asked me “you won’t be able to go for multiple rounds?”. This made me insecure, because it’s true. I have an extremely long refractory period.
This made me insecure about my limited experience. This still fills me with dread.
Man, you gotta chill. Like c'mon, you managed to pull a personal 10, this girl is flipping banging hot and it's all over you, what's there to be insecure about? Just enjoy it lol
Of course experience matters, but there's a lot of guys that banged lots of girls and had lots of sex and still can't make a girl cum for their lifes. Knowledge/skill >>> experience (time is only a vehicle for you to become better, if you're smart and work hard, you can get good fast).

This is one of the best LR I've read in a while, I wish I had cool friends to do pickup with me like you have
 
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I'd say go silent the next couple weeks and only speak if spoken to. Plowing another field so to speak will make that more bearable....
I really disagree, we're having a discussion on some other post about this and someone linked this article by Chase, which I think is a must read on the subject.
The man should be the one reaching out and having the girl come for a round two, waiting for the girl to magically beg for your cock again rarely works, even if she still open to it or wants it (I would say it specially depends on the type of girl, I can see that some girls wouldn't chase you for more sex afterwards even if they are hoping for it)
 

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I really disagree, we're having a discussion on some other post about this and someone linked this article by Chase, which I think is a must read on the subject.
The man should be the one reaching out and having the girl come for a round two, waiting for the girl to magically beg for your cock again rarely works, even if she still open to it or wants it (I would say it specially depends on the type of girl, I can see that some girls wouldn't chase you for more sex afterwards even if they are hoping for it)
In my experience a woman who is an SNL who wants to see you (and have sex with you again) will waste no time in arranging that again. I've had morning after calls and texts, and arranging to meet again the next night, I've had social media reach outs, I've had the "don't call me again" that texted me 2 weeks later to meet up.

The SNL's who didn't come back never gave any indication they were enthusiastically interested in another meeting. "Easy come Easy go " applies here...

In the OP's case he had some performance issues and she was travelling. Not the most fruitful grounds to build repeat business from.
 

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In my experience a woman who is an SNL who wants to see you (and have sex with you again) will waste no time in arranging that again. I've had morning after calls and texts, and arranging to meet again the next night, I've had social media reach outs, I've had the "don't call me again" that texted me 2 weeks later to meet up.

The SNL's who didn't come back never gave any indication they were enthusiastically interested in another meeting. "Easy come Easy go " applies here...

In the OP's case he had some performance issues and she was travelling. Not the most fruitful grounds to build repeat business from.
Actually I'm the one who was travelling for work. Cool opportunity but it's come at a really bad time since I managed to snag some really good leads before I left - still have one week to go and I'm counting down the days.

@Beck Bass this is the article with the routine: https://www.girlschase.com/content/8-types-orgasm-routine

And appreciate the kind words! I think I kind of have to be hard on myself a little bit though - this has happened multiple times now but.. I think in this case she was actually down to meet again but changed her mind due to how I handled her post-sex.

This article has given me a couple of clues as to where I might have gone wrong:

I think that she was actually evaluating me for my long term potential and was willing to overlook the mediocre sex, but my post sex aloofness and false scarcity made her change her mind. And then when I started pushing for another meetup it made her feel like I was only after sex, and since the sex wasn't that great she thought that there was no point.

To be honest though, I didn't see long term potential because she was a couple of years older, even though she was cool and banging hot.
 

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@Beck Bass this is the article with the routine: https://www.girlschase.com/content/8-types-orgasm-routine

And appreciate the kind words!
Thank you sir.

when I started pushing for another meetup it made her feel like I was only after sex, and since the sex wasn't that great she thought that there was no point.
Makes sense. This article is really good, indeed, I read it one of those days and it really clarified some stuff for me as well...
Funny how hard it's for us men to look at sex/relationships from the pov of women sometimes lol
 

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Plot twist!

I'm at the gym sitting at the bench today working chest when I see a sexy blonde walking past and think to myself "daammnnn son". Then I spot the side of her face and think she looks familiar. No, it can't be. I angle myself a bit better so I can see her and lo and behold, it is her. Mind you, my gym is nowhere near where she lives. What a crazy small world we live in.

I go up and say hi, we chit chatted, she seemed happy to see me but a little embarrassed, she apologized for not contacting me and said she got so busy over those 7 days (yeah, sure), saying how she had a great time and how I looked great (she looked at my bod when she said this which was popping from my workout). I said there were no hard feelings.

It was pretty polite platonic chit chat - reason she was there is my gym is part of a chain and my one is one of the best ones in the city, so she comes here on occasion for PT sessions - she then mentioned that she had also started seeing someone, but looked away when she said this. And then mentioned that that "if something doesn't work out (then trailed off and didn't finish her sentence). I exited the conversation soon after and wished her well. I didn't show too much interest during the interaction (it was actually congruent, I didn't feel much anymore and have gotten over her)

She then texted me soon after I got back saying it was nice seeing me and asking me if I'd checked out the ramen place she had referenced in our initial text. I said it was good seeing her too and made a funny callback to our initial text. She then responded pretty quickly and asked me another follow up question. I haven't responded yet. I honestly don't know if this is her just trying to overcompensate for feeling guilty or if she is not happy with the guy she is seeing and is open to something again (it was a good night for her, I managed it really poorly post sex which is part why it didn't go further)
 

Glow

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great stuff beam. Just remember these problems means youre on the next level - kudos

it sounds to me like you both was in a dance of insecurities about the other

use it to start realising that girls like this is an option for you and theyre actually nervous about YOU. Feel that confidence from that.

and when things sorta flatten out i find it easier to start over and engage her like i just met her and grow the connection by taking it a few steps back. Sorta reboot the connection. Just for another time if things flattn our and gets iffy like you describe.

My guess is the connection faded cause of both of you not showing interest - add a lil more courage next time and step it up more. One of my great level ups came when i started not reacting to girls insecurities but saw the reality and instead went supportive and providing the openings and subtle encouragements she needed.

i like chases retraction period suggestion - just be cool w it and know sex is about finding each other in it. Most girls are not as hard as you think just cause a guy struggles a lil. as long as you explain whats up and involve them so they dont draw odd conclusions about their own value as a woman etc. Understand that either you communicate the meaning or she will do it herself. Differs from woman to woman ofc. but i sense this one is sweet-sensitive to you from the imprint i get.

First step is relaxing in that though and i know all this is easier said than done.
 
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Skills

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Plot twist!

I'm at the gym sitting at the bench today working chest when I see a sexy blonde walking past and think to myself "daammnnn son". Then I spot the side of her face and think she looks familiar. No, it can't be. I angle myself a bit better so I can see her and lo and behold, it is her. Mind you, my gym is nowhere near where she lives. What a crazy small world we live in.

I go up and say hi, we chit chatted, she seemed happy to see me but a little embarrassed, she apologized for not contacting me and said she got so busy over those 7 days (yeah, sure), saying how she had a great time and how I looked great (she looked at my bod when she said this which was popping from my workout). I said there were no hard feelings.

It was pretty polite platonic chit chat - reason she was there is my gym is part of a chain and my one is one of the best ones in the city, so she comes here on occasion for PT sessions - she then mentioned that she had also started seeing someone, but looked away when she said this. And then mentioned that that "if something doesn't work out (then trailed off and didn't finish her sentence). I exited the conversation soon after and wished her well. I didn't show too much interest during the interaction (it was actually congruent, I didn't feel much anymore and have gotten over her)

She then texted me soon after I got back saying it was nice seeing me and asking me if I'd checked out the ramen place she had referenced in our initial text. I said it was good seeing her too and made a funny callback to our initial text. She then responded pretty quickly and asked me another follow up question. I haven't responded yet. I honestly don't know if this is her just trying to overcompensate for feeling guilty or if she is not happy with the guy she is seeing and is open to something again (it was a good night for her, I managed it really poorly post sex which is part why it didn't go further)
She Is with someone but still interested, keep the friendzone going without investing much time and effort, indirect, subcommunicating, you don't judge, you are not a clinger or potential to be clinger, you don't kiss and tell, and you don't want her to end her relationship... as soon as she gives you an opening pounce on it....
 

Beam

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@Skills how do you actually keep this going without getting sucked into a text conversation and also without taking a long time to respond to her? Would you ping her on occasion, add her on insta?
 

Mr. Hawaii

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@Skills how do you actually keep this going without getting sucked into a text conversation and also without taking a long time to respond to her? Would you ping her on occasion, add her on insta?
you can shoot your shot and try inviting her out to do something. keep it friendly so you give her reasonable doubt.
 
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