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HeartOfChaos

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Got some new super baggy jeans yesterday. Heading to centrally London for late evening approach session, wearing one of my cool trucker / baseball caps, and with a beer in hand. lol.

For last few years, I often took breaks and drank beer / wine / shots of vodka , stopped for long cigarette breaks etc during my Daygame sessions to relive the feeling of grind and repetitiveness. lol.
 

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Got some new super baggy jeans yesterday. Heading to centrally London for late evening approach session, wearing one of my cool trucker / baseball caps, and with a beer in hand. lol.

For last few years, I often took breaks and drank beer / wine / shots of vodka , stopped for long cigarette breaks etc during my Daygame sessions to relive the feeling of grind and repetitiveness. lol.

Good luck! I'm going to have to start doing cold approach, online isn't working for me right now.
 
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HeartOfChaos

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Well you do in some cases propose the date, but you also wrote "I always go for the number". I am simply saying always go for the date proposal (soft close, not nailing down a time then and there).

The frustration you leech out here may be coming through in your approaching vibe, which translates to neediness and approaching her from a position of taking value rather than giving it.

@Ratata just posted a thread where he mentioned "tenting". Like you might be just need a few tweaks to stay away from body language that is overbearing. And I don't understand why you say you can't turn it back on her. The verbal content can be focused on her, like teasing and cold reading about her and her current situation. Otherwise what is your verbal content even about?

I probably misunderstood what you meant by "turn it back to her". If you mean a normal conversation between 2 humans, with a bit of flirting and cold reading thrown in here and there as situation and vibe allows, well, naturally it's there.

I meant I go for number after a potential date proposal, yes, it all depends on the situation... I've been doing this since 2009, none of this is new to me tbh, I tried all sorts of approaches, direct, indirect, situational, I approached women on the streets, beaches and parks...

"The frustration you leech out here may be coming through in your approaching vibe, which translates to neediness and approaching her from a position of taking value rather than giving it" - nah, I doubt that, given that vast majority of women I have talked to over the years generally tended to be positive about being approached or neutral at least..
 

HeartOfChaos

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Ok so back to process troubleshooting, can you lay out your verbal and non-verbal process in short form bullet points or similar?

Will try to write this a bit later, need to formulate my thoughts and think how to summarise it succinctly...
 

KJ Francis

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taking value rather than giving it" - nah, I doubt that, given that vast majority of women I have talked to over the years generally tended to be positive about being approached or neutral at least..
but the compliance wasn't there to move the interactions forward to an instant date? could be an issue with the texting too. if you use android there's an app qksms or quiksms that lets you copy paste messages

there's a GC article about reactions vs. results. a lot of people are going to keep an interaction social and positive, whether for safety with a stranger or just general humanity.

how often are you drinking alcohol during day game?
 

HeartOfChaos

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but the compliance wasn't there to move the interactions forward to an instant date? could be an issue with the texting too. if you use android there's an app qksms or quiksms that lets you copy paste messages

there's a GC article about reactions vs. results. a lot of people are going to keep an interaction social and positive, whether for safety with a stranger or just general humanity.

how often are you drinking alcohol during day game?
"but the compliance wasn't there to move the interactions forward to an instant date?" - Exactly.

I had so, so many women say something like "I am flattered", or "more people should do this", or smile at me, acknowledge my approach, blah blah blah, followed by inevitable "I have a boyfriend", or any other excuse.

I mean fuck, I even had some women say stuff like "You are a really handsome guy by the way...But no, don't take this as an invitation...I don't date strangers from the street".

Also, most of the time instant date isn't really possible - remember I did, and do, most of my approaches on busy London streets where most women are rushing around on the way somewhere. There is no time for instant dates most of the time, regardless if compliance is there or not.

Alcohol, are you questioning because you think this affects me? Lol, this is not an issue. In summer, I usually carry a bottle of wine or some beer cans in my bag, cigarettes, even some sex toys (handcuffs etc) with the idea of meeting a chick on a street, taking her to a park for an insta date, pop open the wine bottle with her, escalate, take her to a hotel or her place and fuck., all in one day... That's basically how I met my ex and fucked several other girls. That was my modus operandi for several years... And hence my approaches were super direct, where I suggested the idea of a hook up within 2 mins of talking, as a sort of filtering mechanism, to gauge how they respond and if they are up for it....I don't like "prolonged" official dates and wasting time...

I think the more pressing problem is that the current demographics in London aren't really suitable for me a lot of the time. I am pretty particular about the background of women I am interested in (for long term, at least), and it's like half the women on the streets, bars, transport I see, they are not the right ethnic origin / nationality / culture for me. Ironically, women from these background are actually more open to me, but I am not interested in them. I am pretty much exclusively interested in white women from southern or eastern Europe (and not all countries, just certain specific ones in that region), USA , Canada, Israel, and also Hispanic / Latina women from South and Central America. And that's just for a start. She has to have the right hair colour (dark-ish brunette), right age (under 30), right height (not too short, not too tall), be spiritual / somewhat religious, good education, come from a good family, etc etc... This means I don't even see that many women who I can say wholeheartedly I'd be deeply interested in... Hence in part the fast filtering mechanism I mentioned in above paragraph that I used over last several years... I mean if so many women I approach aren't likely to be long term material in first place, why the fuck would I want to mislead them and take them out on 2-3 dates???

And this is beside the point anyway, as I established over thousands of approaches that no matter how direct or indirect I approach them, vast majority aren't interested anyway... So basically regardless if I spent 10 mins talking and flirting with them gently, or basically say "Hi, you look great, fancy getting together at my place for some drinks and orgasms?" - the success ratio is nearly the same - and this is what I tested over so many approaches....And i literally used the lines like ""Hi, you look great, fancy getting together at my place for some drinks and orgasms?" on the street to success.. I had girls come to my place or hotel and fuck... IT'S like no matter in what style I talk to women, the final outcome is often pre determined in a matter of a couple of mins...I understand that sure, making gentle indirect approaches, or maybe going on 2-3 dates with a chick and toning it down may secure some more lays but at what cost? They are either up for fucking me pretty much from the second they lay their eyes on me, or there's nothing I can do to change their mind fundamentally. All this flirting, teasing, this sort of shit people talk on these forums never really make much of a difference to the final outcome I found...It only helps a bit to amplify the chemistry, and the vibe but the woman is pretty much intuitively decided that she fancies me enough to fuck regardless. based on how I look and come across... Not once do I remember converting a "maybe" girl to a "yes" girl, despite multiple attempts...




I treat them all as unique individuals, and would I fuck all the women I approach? Sure. Would I want to invest serious time on multiple dates with them before sex? No. I like adventures and fast sex with minimal dates. I've been on so many "dates " prior to 2014 (when I got into 3 year LTR) that I had enough of dates for a lifetime. Would I be open to to marry them? Definitely not, only a very small proportion...

It got so bad that over the last several years I started losing hope that I will ever find a normal girlfriend, let alone marriage material woman in UK, in London at least. I walk around the streets, and most women I see - I sense they are not my type of woman for reasons x y or z.... And the ones that I think would be my type, well, 99% aren't interested when I approach, so back to square one, and it's frustrating and sad.

I mean, I am a 6 foot 2 fit, lean, in shape white guy, good fashion sense, good sense of humour, top education, STEM PhD from top university, the girls who I've been with universally said stuff like "You are a great guy, always funny, always interesting, enthusiastic to talk to", blah blah blah... So what else am I supposed to do, turn myself inside out?

My ex (I am still hoping she'll be back) was the closest I got to somewhat marriage material woman (from my viewpoint, as she somewhat hit at least several of important criteria) over maybe last 7 years or so - after thousands and thousands of approaches... Honest to God, I left former pua-zone back in 2015 and haven't looked on pua forums since then (or maybe looked like once every few months), I never cared about pua and all this shite, and in the end I just want to be with a cool, nice, attractive girl who matches my criteria, who loves me and with whom I have deep chemistry with... So I can forget all these endless approaches, all this endless hunt, like a bad dream...And I hope I'll never come back to these forums again...

Sorry for the long post, by the way. Just wanted to explain and state various things and my experienced and views on stuff all in one go, sorry for jumbled mess...
 
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KJ Francis

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Alcohol, are you questioning because you think this affects me? Lol, this is not an issue.
because of how it could affect the girls' perceptions of her safety with a stranger approaching drunk during the day...?

as for being picky, are you currently getting laid at all? actual abundance also has wide ranging effects.
 
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