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My pride can really get in my way... I want to hear your thoughts

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It all comes down to whether it benefits her or not. It’s not really about morality or fully humanity. You don’t expect full humanity from a dog or a traffic light. It just does what it’s going to do. Society duped us into thinking women were capable of living by moral/honor codes and stuff like men do but that was bullshit.

That’s why it’s not worth getting upset over anymore than it’s worth getting upset over a 5yo not being able to do your taxes. Those expectations were unrealistic to begin with.
Holding to her some kind of like “you should do the moral thing” is just expecting a 3yo not to grab the cookie in front of it. “What, little 3yo?? You ate the cookie?? Didn’t you think about the nutritional value of it and how it would affect your future appetite for dinner and weigh the pros and cons of taking the cookie and think about how it would make other people feel?? Didn’t you consider any of that??” No, they didn’t lol Because they’re solipsistic.


Hypergamy doesnt care if she liked you first.

Hypergamy doesnt care if you were strong yesterday.

 

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@Glow @Velasco

Actually Velasco's comment has really helped a lot... to provide me indeed with decent context. It's much easier not to take things personal (which I am obviously doing) when you contextualize it like he does. So thanks a lot there buddy :)

Glow I think that bad precedent part is partly because of my perfectionistic nature... probably also some strong old school social conditioning which I had.... I will let it linger indeed and become introspective about this part.. because I sense this is key.

But until then... Velasco has helped me a bunch :). this makes it easier to combine it with Bacchus' suggestions. This is what I needed.
 

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I have no idea what I am trying to do with pride honestly.. I think it's more embedded in emotion and the feeling that I otherwise compromise too much. The interaction feels soiled for some reason... as if there is bad precedent and I'm giving too much of myself by being forgiving. I haven't really figured it out to be honest. Am I keeping score? I have no idea. The feeling starts with "you dare?".. and then becomes automatic. And indeed... quite black and white.

I agree with Bacchus, reflection and decision is your friend here.

You want to find out what you want, the clearer the better. Actually I feel this way about life in general. It makes navigating life's journeys easier. You want to know where you want to go and WHY. It not only illuminates your path, but your obstacles.

So through this reflection you should be able to find out if this pride is serving you or not, as well as where this pride is coming from. Are your actions aligned with your goals? Maybe you desire a girl who is socially adept enough to run with you? But you may have desires that are conflicting, that can coexist.

As for ego being a tool, I think of it as a point of focus on the human psyche. How can we function if we are unlimited and infinite in our possibilities, the ego simplifies this: I am a man, I am a friend, I am a creative, I am seducer, I am a musician. But the reality is that the ego is limiting, just like a tool the ego isn't used for every possible situation, and you have limitless options, if you can see beyond your own ego and let it go enough to embrace something outside it.

Imagine a musician who sees nothing in himself but music. "Fuck the man, I'll never sell out, I'm a rocker to the core." And then his band breaks up, and he can't find a way to pay his bills. This could crush him... He's going to get a real job and work for the man? Or if he can step beyond his ego, he might see that he can embrace his "enemy" and go even further into that forbidden territory of getting a job, maybe be an entreprenuer or get into investing, he could expand his life in a way that his rocker ego didn't let him see.

As for you, you're a man with pride, a man whose earned his place, but you're also a student of the game and more. What options are avaliable? This is where it can get cloudy, and reflection will help you see the path that leads to your goals achieved. In each moment you will be asked your direction, do you stand up for your pride and seek out those who can run with you, or do you become the humble student and elevate your game to new heights or...

Keep in mind, those are just two "egos" I chose for you. You'll probably come up with better assessments of yourself than I did.
 
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@Bacchus I never considered it as another guy rattling me.. I rather blamed the chick because I gave her the agency in one way.. Hence the disloyalty frame. Especially when i already won the frame against the guy and him leave in case one.. It was an open goal from there.. But I became entitled and bitter.

And Bacchus to be honest you are totally right about the 1 year from here perspective... A couple of solid events aside... I did figure I was probably being too much of an hardass on a lot of occasions.. I will take this also into consideration. Mighty thanks for that. I think I am fighting against lingering old social conditioning... the same one Velasco is talking about in his last post.

Guys I appreciate the feedback from all of you and I will make sure it will be used. Maybe occasionally I'll slip back since old habits do not die that fast.. consider this a work in progress. I am not one who posts to vent and cry.. I make use of this and your precious time.
 

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DK, FLUX,

@DarkKnight dude! I agree with @ZacAdam dude that you can have a misplaced ego at times, I really like his insights and angle on this and very interested with his follow up to this.

Sorry i am late to the party here.

A lot of the guys gives their input. Let me try to collectively combine everything and give a macro view to this whole thing so it doesn't get lost in transition.

This will be very long. Hope this will be insightful and enjoyable for everyone to read.

And i explain at the bottom of this page, what i did that you guys didn't notice.
That will be a good complement to this thread/topic.


I'm guilty of auto rejecting girls that are interested when they've annoyed me, sometimes it's called for.

This happens a lot often and we never think about it as guys, consciously. This is especially when you have a bad day. But are the girls really interested in you?

I have many school of thoughts on this.


- You are judging based on reactions (process level)
- God/Awareness is trying to pull you out of your state. This is very real, especially after you discover that "empty" space. (fundamental level)
- You are losing, either from a bad day or the girl who reject you during cold approaches. Thus your next state must be a 'winning' one.

Thus this is why you, Flux, you reject women.

Because it's a yin yang thing. After our fragile body, is hope. Fragile Limited Human = Lose. Hope = Winning.

Sidenote: Why i recommend everyone to see it as a learning journey. Small wins from your 'losses' (rejection from girls)


When they chase and jump through hoops I'll usually give another chance unless they've really pissed me off! Haha

Added, to the winning term that i have just mentioned above. We are protecting ourselves from hurt.

Also, It's arbitrage. Why we like damsel in distress or young pussy. :) It's arbitrage (principle in business and life)

If they chase hard they really want you, I can be difficult about it, I have an issue where if you're to forgiving you set the tone you accept that shit but it's not always relevant.

My Personal experiences and I have an old Chase notes to reaffirm this.

Set some boundaries, or obstacles, make her invest even if it's a small thing. Like she talking to you and you don't pay eye contact to her for the first 1 minute,

It's small but it works. It's making sure that she perceives you.

Warning: Older men like to do this stupid shit with everyone. Don't do it if there's nothing. It's unnecessary. But it is a good experiment for qualifying strong girls.

and it's not relevant. like what Flux noted.

Sidenote: Have some physically unblessed girls as friends. Some of them will happened to see you talk to more decent beautiful girls and while there are terrible attitude girls, there will be a time where girls who know you are a good human being. They haven't seen you in awhile and they will seek your approval to talk to them by looking at you and because they are physically unblessed, this will be profound to you. And yes, they are friends. They don't think of you as lovers.

This is what happened to me. The experience is quite something else.

Suddenly this big (I'm talking really big) meathead prick interjected our set tried to amog me, use me as a bridge because he can't open, but I barely acknowledged him... but she did.. And suddenly she was giving him more attention than he deserved. I stayed aloof and relaxed, but I started to become irked by her.

Now, here is the source of the whole problem. LEt's talk about this.

Guys often do for 2 reasons.

- He who was like me who try to make friends and camaraderie. (Yes i did this unconsciously all the time)
- He sees weakness in your game

The act is similar but they are two completely different games. I hope everyone understands this.

Now, you did the right thing.
You didn't acknowledged him.
You didn't give him too much attention.


But here is where the gold is. Does she liked you? or Does she just being friendly to everyone?

Now, this is super difficult.
I don't care who you are. Maybe this is why Chase is the GOAT of Dating/Pickup/etc, for me.


Most women are both. She likes you. She also likes to be friendly to this guy. The big question is how much does she likes you to be enough to let her focus her attention to only you?

This leads back to Klimax question on the Girlschase chat, on how do we do cement that feeling quickly before the next date.

My answer
:

Using backward rationalization. Why?
You can't always cement quick enough. Because you also don't know what is her type (context, pre belief). Chase recommends this always.

Compliance.
Compliance.
Motherfucking Compliance.

Chase is GOAT. :)


The meathead got insecure started touching me and tooling me.. for you see he needed the validation that I am beaten.

Depends. You hate to hear this from me, given how i already responded this very late.
But it might be him comforting you, at least according to him.

At that point I snapped, grabbed him at the shoulder pinched hard and told him with a hoarse voice that I would become very unpleasant if he didn't stop his antics. He totally became intimidated (for good reason I was really raw.. ). Anyway he basically ran away while trying to save some of his dignity. The girl meantime was clinging to me again... but I was ice-icecold. Left her hanging with a smirk and vibed with others.

You have find out that he was Zac. :) The old Zac that likes to be friendly with everyone. You will see this phenomenon with many Indian, Bangladash, poor countries, countries with terrible social economics.

In Asia, this is a lot more if i am right. I am sure it is.

The problem is you will never whether it is an AMOG or guys being friendly. But the response is the same. Don't break circle. Compliance. Compliance. Compliance.

And if you want to try, Try Owen Cook method of carrying the girl on the spot and runaway from the guy, girl. He did that outside a nightclub. Quite funny. I saw it on an old video.

It's basically breaking state, when you do outlandish things. Because everyone in the game of life, knows the game has reach surface. Like the world today. Thus riots in the United States, social unrest across the world. :)

Sidnote:
Advertising reality, Reality (what is sold) and Real Reality is converging together. It's very ugly, unpleasant.


Aftermath: She tried to stay in my vicinity multiple times and even in my pathways hoping for a chance. She was obviously upset and close to tears.. but I became uncompromising..

You should have ask for her number after he left. You already won, Darkknight.

Anyway, i have had girl friends whom let me sit in the back of the car. And this 2 girls, who are my friends. They let me enter the car first. But that's one thing. They both sit at both corners of the car.

And that's just one story. :)

When you are strong mentally, and strong physically, or if you are an American, Asian girls will let you sit while they stand. It doesn't always necessarily mean that they like you. It's the frame.

You can ease this but sometimes girls just won't budge. It is more about her than you. She also might see you as a potential to hurt her.

High level psychopaths know this phenomenon inside out. I called it 'The Natural Submission'.

This Natural Submission has been abused throughout history.
In theory, i know how to abuse this. Especially If i am CEO, Boss (manager, supervisor, etc)
Thus why women are still protesting on feminism, has some truth in it. Which is this. :)

As a guy, you are technically an overpowered motherfucker, really. (though you are just a human but according to everyone, it's real)

This is PArt 1 of my Response :) Hope this helps. Thanos will Return.
 

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@ZacAdam dude.. you are wrong. The meathead was not being "nice and friendly". He tried to make insulting comments towards me. If he wanted to be friends I would know. Also he is pretty much one of the most uncalibrated guy in the gym who is always superloud and tries to be the stereotype of alpha male (on steroids.. probably literally in his case).

The weakness he saw in my "game" was that he is much bigger than I am and thought he could have forced himself in.

The man doesn't even fucking have game... he is big and muscular but awkward as fuck.

He was not "comforting me" why the fuck would he comfort me, I was not exactly being timid or crying hahaha. He tried to physically impose himself testing my boundaries. Which was a big mistake and which I punished him for the remainder of the days I saw him by making him submit with piercing eye contact.

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About the chick: did she like me enough to focus her attention only on me? Good question... given how fast she went to desperation I think she was pretty into me. But maybe not enough to make me her world. I had other girls who were more savvy who ignored intruders the moment I did. Maybe she was impressed by his (uncalibrated boldness) and physicality.. who knows. Thought of him as an authority figure maybe that would my biggest guess.

Anyway bro... thanks for wanting to help but Velasco, Bacchus and Glow already helped me bunch. I think further will only convolute things.
 
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dude.. you are wrong. The meathead was not being "nice and friendly". He tried to make insulting comments towards me. If he wanted to be friends I would know.

Don't You think that you are thinking in "linear"?

Because I'm writing this for you. And the way you read and perceive it as 'linear'.

You never think independently. It's always from your own context and this is reflected on your social interactions.

And to mentioned, 1)you must write down that he was making insulting comments.

Also he is pretty much one of the most uncalibrated guy in the gym who is always superloud and tries to be the stereotype of alpha male (on steroids.. probably literally in his case).

Uncalibrated does not mean an asshole but you clarify it clearly after.

He was not "comforting me" why the fuck would he comfort me,

According to Him. Not you.
Again, you are thinking in "linearity".

Anyway bro... thanks for wanting to help but Velasco, Bacchus and Glow already helped me bunch. I think further will only convolute things.

Part of me did not want to respond to this because there is a chance that you didn't get it.

Also, the guys have fill in the blanks.

I'm going to be an asshole here.

You making it as if you are this hotshot guy and while you may be that good.

If you bulldozed your way thru everything, you not going to get many girls, unless they are the strong ones. Even then, you have to go find them.

I had other girls who were more savvy who ignored intruders the moment I did. Maybe she was impressed by his (uncalibrated boldness) and physicality.. who knows. Thought of him as an authority figure maybe that would my biggest guess.

You don't know if she likes you or not.

And to mentioned, she was paying attention to him. Just maybe she was being friendly and you just can't handle rejection that well.

Like you are, right now.

Yes I'm calling you out on it. Because I see this as a recurring issue.

If you want strong girls, this is fine. Just bulldoze your way. But if you want more calibration, you have to ease down on that.

And I'm confident that it is not a women issue.

It is an underlying issue throughout your life's history.
 

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Zac right whatever man. You are definitely right he wanted to frame me as being a pussy because he wanted to be big friends and not in order to amog. He was pushing my shoulder because he actually wanted a hug.

And yeah man sure she didnt like me which is why she was almost to tears for the next following months.

You are the one providing your own bullshit narrative and totally ignoring what I wrote. Geez.

But ofcourse you know much better what happened because you were there, right?

Also I do not have to "write down he makes insulting comments" because I do not have to convince you that he was amogging me while he obviously was. Either trust what I am saying but dont make stuff up like the amog actually trying to be friends. Especially without any basis.

The other guys were a big help but you are just distracting with rubbish.
 
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You are the one providing your own bullshit narrative and totally ignoring what I wrote. Geez.

The bullshit narrative that you asked for?

:)

I was you. Some of it. Definitely not ALL OF IT.

Chase noted this. I'm sure this is a lesson for all Girlschase members, including me.

Don't Glorify Reactions.
My life, I glorify it. I glorify it to the max.

i think that every girl thought of me that way and while there are notes on this.

And this will break your bubble.

So you think that she is in tears for months, because you almighty destroy one guy?

That's according to you.
You are totally ignoring her point of view.

Like what you are doing to me, right now.
 
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Great contextual reply buddy. I did not even say she was close to tears because I destroyed that guy. Again you, making shit up.

Homie I was already helped out. You're bad poetry is only convoluting things.
 

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I'm not going to let you win on this one.

:)

You can bulldoze your way thru everyone. Definitely not thru me. You asked for it and ask me to help give some notes.

. I did not even say she was close to tears because I destroyed that guy.

Still thinking way too much about her before sleeping with her.

And I'm pointing you at your fucking problem:

Glorifying Reactions

Zac
 

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Sigh.. this man hahahahhahaha. Okay man do whatever you want.
 

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Get back to me when you are chill out.
:) I know you are an almighty and stuff.

But You might summon the Gods on me. Big problem
 

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And not forgetting.

Anyway bro... thanks for wanting to help but Velasco, Bacchus and Glow already helped me bunch. I think further will only convolute things

Amazing doesn't it that the dynamics totally changed?

A live example.

It's not just women who change 360. Men too.

Because you have now gotten notes that fill in the blanks from other guys, and your main goal is now achieved, in your mind.

Sidenote:
But that doesn't mean your old problem has evaporated.

Thus Klimax brings up a great question.

What tactics and techniques is strong to cement your position before you actually go on a date with her, to then sleep with her?

- Context (what she prefers, according to her phase)
- Your fundamentals
- Her beliefs

Going to continue my Part 2 Response and Klimax dilemma, on my journal.

For self reflection. YeaY
 

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Zac, when you change 360 degrees you make full circle. In others words nothing changes. You mean 180.

Anyway stop flaming me, I am not interested.
 

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Part of my response is flaming. I was really annoyed.

I will stop the flaming.

There's a lot of stuff that can be talk about. This is largely related to Klimax question, Chase article on Distracted Women and this post.

There's a lot of scenarios that can be talk about.

I'm trying to find a pattern from all this. Though the simple answer is compliance, compliance, compliance.
 

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@DarkKnight i totally can relate, i will tell you how i feel, and maybe i am wrong too, but if i am i have not problem being like that...

When things like this happened to me, i get the feeling of "second choice" "left over" kind of like the funny FAKE prank videos that the girls rejects the dude, till they see the cool car, then they want in and then the dude rejects them....

^ is an ego thing but is just your gut screening..... Actually in my get out of the friendzone advice i advice dudes to do similar to kind of "give up" with no bluff and kind of reject the interest then get other women, the girl typically see this and gets buyers remorse... Same happens in the dance floor girl rejects me, then i get other girls, then they want me and shit! but i am like "you lost your chance" yes is kind of an ego thing....


^ the thing is i do this, but then i come back later and seduce them at times.... My ex of 10 years was like that reject me for couple of guys, i got other women, i was second choice, i rejected her, just like your scenario (similar) then ended up seducing her...

But there been times i been in open relationships, girl start acting up out of the blue, giving me ultimatums (typical sign of them shopping you around), then i find out it was a "fake outrage due to another dude", and i don't want them...
 

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Zac, when you change 360 degrees you make full circle. In others words nothing changes. You mean 180.

Anyway stop flaming me, I am not interested.

I think this post is a good example of pride getting in ur way lol. ZacAdam reaching out to help u and u reject for some reason. Cause u are thinking and responding linearly it doesnt really matter what others said. it is like u already have ur mind made up. Its pretty obvious u arent talented w women so ur fake tough guy act doesnt really work lol maybe try something else
 

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A lot of you do not understand what happened in scenario 1:

lets say there is a hot girl, and there are 10 dudes that want to talk to the hot girl..............

9 out of the 10 dudes have approach anxiety and are scare to go up to the girl, and speculating all types of negative scenarios......

1 out of the 10 dudes which in this case is darkknight opens, cause he has cold approach skills as the interaction and micro-expressions of the hot girl are open..... The 9 dudes that did not open realized "fucked i miss the opportunity i did not open she looks like she doesn't bite"

then the meathead used darknight as a bridge fucking up the game by increasing the price of the hot girl = annoying and then tooling on darknight total misscalibration......
 

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Sounds more like orbiting look at me talking to hot girl. No where near pp in vagina
 
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