My Thoughts on Fresh and Fit

[Will_V]

To finally see just one chick, just one, held to account...

Catharsis.

The funny thing is that it's all one big business. These girls know what the deal is, they get a lot of exposure and onlyfans signups from the same dudes that enjoy watching them getting told what's what. So the guys like F&F make money from these chumps, the girls make money, and the chumps spend their money to enjoy nothing more than the imagination of putting a girl in her place and fucking her.

It's like the webcam business, but instead of porn you get to experience a successful domestic dispute. What a strange world we live in!

 

[Skills]

all the red pill, incel, manosphere topics are banned btw guys, when the red pill became popular i started posting counters to it in the forum on how ridiculous, but yea is marketing to drifters...

We're Banning Most Red Pill/Incel/MGTOW/Manosphere Topics. But Not Because We're Afraid...!

Hey fellas, The mods and I had a chat about whether we want to permit guys to start threads on here talking about red pill / manosphere / incel / MGTOW / etc. subjects. If you're just tuning in to that, that includes things like: AWALT/NAWALT Hypergamy The alpha/beta dichotomy...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[orkie123]

Yeah, totally agree with you guys, @West_Indian_Archie and @DarkKnight

And yet, as much as I understand that there is a kathartic feeling about watching your team “winning”… I personally get bored of those feelings really soon and get restless when things are not going MY way.

I guess I’m just wired different from the average chump.

Not a fan of these videos either.

One of the things I learned in life is that the coolest people are those that make other people cool. Putting people down (even if what they say is true) just feels distasteful.

You'll be in a relationship with a girl, she does something wrong.
You call her on it, but you end up being the villain.
She puts everything on you to the point where you, the person wronged, has to apologize.

I know this is quite common, but how do you actually deal with this? With my ex, I felt like the only way to avoid this shit was to be the one doing it and I didnt like that either. You can say avoid girls like that, but 99% of the time she was chilled + that side of her didnt come out for a while.

 

[Tim Iron]

Typical red pill stuff... I'm not interested. I already know how delusional some women can be... so I don't need to watch.

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

I don’t think it was avoided as much as it was discarded.

What’s the point of putting a woman “in her place” publicly?
What do you win besides a temporary feeling of mental conquest?

The humiliated girl is less likely to want to hang around with you and therefore less likely to have sex.
You lose mate value to any woman who saw the situation closely.
And it’s not like you’re going to convince the rest of the women to act any different.

Besides massaging your ego, I don’t see what’s the personal advantage of ”fighting the good fight against the entitled women”.

I don’t do this all the time but it just happens. I have a couple stories going,

Best one I’ve got is after new years went into a fried chicken place and was sitting around with my friend and then another friend showed up. We started shooting the shit and had talked about how the city had gone to shit with the banning of plastic bags.

Which I had said that wasn’t the worst decision, the paper bags are useful for putting over ugly bitches heads. Where these women then started getting uppity.

Anyways told em we aren’t talking to you this is a private conversation yada yada she called me an incel and then threatened to call the cops which it was there that I got pissed off enough to start roasting them.

Women in the modern day don’t realize that I could just go kick the shit out of them, and act as these giant censor things when you are trying to chat with your friends and are always there trying to ruin the moment. My one friend works twelve hour days and in one of the rare moments we get to sit around and shoot the shit then these loser women bud in.

I ended up saying “Rich coming from Flat Stanley and a chick with a crooked nose” and that just got them mouths agape. Then they yapped there yap recorded us yadda yadda. But I’m getting tired of women consistently showing up to places and trying to wreck my day/night.

I don’t care about the original video or whatever but the reason you’re apathetic is because you are too much of a pussy to stand up to women and have thus used apathy as a coping mechanism. Which is super beta.

 

[ulrich]

I don’t care about the original video or whatever but the reason you’re apathetic is because you are too much of a pussy to stand up to women and have thus used apathy as a coping mechanism. Which is super beta.

You referring to me or just talking in general?

I don’t stand up to women because random women don’t get into my conversations and try to censor me. I occasionally get the “you really didn’t say that” from my friends’ girlfriends but I just brush it off with a snarky charismatic remark and the thing deflates.

It may be a cultural thing, I don’t live in the US and I don’t hang out in hyper-progressive circles… but when I did, the closest random women got to “censor” me, was rolling their eyes and making snarky remarks.

So yeah, sorry.
Hard for me to feel consumed with rage for a disrespect that has not been addressed to me.

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

You referring to me or just talking in general?

I don’t stand up to women because random women don’t get into my conversations and try to censor me. I occasionally get the “you really didn’t say that” from my friends’ girlfriends but I just brush it off with a snarky charismatic remark and the thing deflates.

It may be a cultural thing, I don’t live in the US and I don’t hang out in hyper-progressive circles… but when I did, the closest random women got to “censor” me, was rolling their eyes and making snarky remarks.

So yeah, sorry.
Hard for me to feel consumed with rage for a disrespect that has not been addressed to me.

Nah wasn’t you meant the original OP was referencing the original video

 

[ulrich]

Nah wasn’t you meant the original OP was referencing the original video

Ah, OK. All cool.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

Not a fan of these videos either.

One of the things I learned in life is that the coolest people are those that make other people cool. Putting people down (even if what they say is true) just feels distasteful.


I know this is quite common, but how do you actually deal with this? With my ex, I felt like the only way to avoid this shit was to be the one doing it and I didnt like that either. You can say avoid girls like that, but 99% of the time she was chilled + that side of her didnt come out for a while.

I'm not up on the top PUA practices for relationship game.

And I'm the last person you should ask for GF advice....*

But for me?

0) I've yet to date a chick long term that is "too pretty" or "too sexual" or "too whatever quality" that I cannot replace.

Old me, that had "the hottest girlfriend ever, I'll never get another chick like this" - WRT to LTR's, I replaced her 6 times with more attractive/younger/better for me chicks.

My general advice for relationship game is that a guy can't really be in a relationship where he feels he can't go back out to the streets/clubs/online and get something else. A chick is never your life.

This is where I think guys need to start. So after you knocked off about 35-40 chicks, you've got a real good sample of what's out there. *37 is specifically from the secretary problem - as cringe as that sounds - to use mathematics to make romantic decisions - I find it useful*

So when this does come up....

Most guys give in to female demands in order to keep the girl around.

• A lot of chicks leave anyway (and I don't just mean short flings and gfs, I mean wives, people you buy houses with, meet families, and have children with)
• If the chick stays, the guy is often miserable. If I fix this, it will be something tomorrow.

The blue pill response is to communicate. Which means trying to use the language of therapy to manipulate the chick - who is in fact a master communicator and knows how to use therapy language and has been using against the guy the whole time (Mars and Venus bs - her job is not entertaining that bs, please believe it). *Fun fact - a lot of couples therapists lose patients because the therapist agrees with the male/boyfriend/husband....

Communicate? Cave in?

Been there. Done that. I have the scars to prove it.

Now I say, fuck all that.

Let me be clear, so folks are not deluded or misinformed - My position is extreme.

My extreme position is because of the extreme circumstance.

1) I call her on it. "I don't lie to you. I don't give you the silent treatment. I don't walk away. Do not try to gaslight or manipulate me, period."

2) Either She apologizes, or I walk.

I'm not trying to use any Jedi Mind Tricks on a chick I'm trying to "wife up".

• A guy can play all sorts of dread games.
• He can withdraw.
• He can start seeing other women, and keep his main chick.
• He can just dismiss her BS
• He can gaslight her back.
• He can cast doubt on her social ties
• etc

I'd rather be by myself than to deal with a chick that's going to make me question my sanity.

*But my take on it is extreme. Which is why you shouldn't ask me about relationship advice.

In terms of implementation, if you "stand on business" when it comes to your life - forcing people to play straight up- like all of the time - it just makes it easier to do it with chicks.

Or like we used to say, "be congruent" (yet another math term working its way into pick up)

To get on my soapbox

• Standing on business
• Being comfortable with conflict - especially initiating it, not just trying to dispel it
• And bringing a firm sense of self, asserting boundaries, calling out bad behavior

Are all key components to dealing with people, family, friends, girls you bang, and significant others.

This stuff is part of pick up, but it's not explicit. It needs to be explicit.

Being rigid from the start - expecting some random girl to always be on time - is dumb.

Expecting your long term relationship, the girl you share meals and your bed with, keys to your house, drives your car - that's a given.

Lemme get off my soapbox.

 

[orkie123]

I'm not up on the top PUA practices for relationship game.

And I'm the last person you should ask for GF advice....*

But for me?

0) I've yet to date a chick long term that is "too pretty" or "too sexual" or "too whatever quality" that I cannot replace.

Old me, that had "the hottest girlfriend ever, I'll never get another chick like this" - WRT to LTR's, I replaced her 6 times with more attractive/younger/better for me chicks.

My general advice for relationship game is that a guy can't really be in a relationship where he feels he can't go back out to the streets/clubs/online and get something else. A chick is never your life.

This is where I think guys need to start. So after you knocked off about 35-40 chicks, you've got a real good sample of what's out there. *37 is specifically from the secretary problem - as cringe as that sounds - to use mathematics to make romantic decisions - I find it useful*

So when this does come up....

Most guys give in to female demands in order to keep the girl around.

• A lot of chicks leave anyway (and I don't just mean short flings and gfs, I mean wives, people you buy houses with, meet families, and have children with)
• If the chick stays, the guy is often miserable. If I fix this, it will be something tomorrow.

The blue pill response is to communicate. Which means trying to use the language of therapy to manipulate the chick - who is in fact a master communicator and knows how to use therapy language and has been using against the guy the whole time (Mars and Venus bs - her job is not entertaining that bs, please believe it). *Fun fact - a lot of couples therapists lose patients because the therapist agrees with the male/boyfriend/husband....

Communicate? Cave in?

Been there. Done that. I have the scars to prove it.

Now I say, fuck all that.

Let me be clear, so folks are not deluded or misinformed - My position is extreme.

My extreme position is because of the extreme circumstance.

1) I call her on it. "I don't lie to you. I don't give you the silent treatment. I don't walk away. Do not try to gaslight or manipulate me, period."

2) Either She apologizes, or I walk.

I'm not trying to use any Jedi Mind Tricks on a chick I'm trying to "wife up".

• A guy can play all sorts of dread games.
• He can withdraw.
• He can start seeing other women, and keep his main chick.
• He can just dismiss her BS
• He can gaslight her back.
• He can cast doubt on her social ties
• etc

I'd rather be by myself than to deal with a chick that's going to make me question my sanity.

*But my take on it is extreme. Which is why you shouldn't ask me about relationship advice.

In terms of implementation, if you "stand on business" when it comes to your life - forcing people to play straight up- like all of the time - it just makes it easier to do it with chicks.

Or like we used to say, "be congruent" (yet another math term working its way into pick up)

To get on my soapbox

• Standing on business
• Being comfortable with conflict - especially initiating it, not just trying to dispel it
• And bringing a firm sense of self, asserting boundaries, calling out bad behavior

Are all key components to dealing with people, family, friends, girls you bang, and significant others.

This stuff is part of pick up, but it's not explicit. It needs to be explicit.

Being rigid from the start - expecting some random girl to always be on time - is dumb.

Expecting your long term relationship, the girl you share meals and your bed with, keys to your house, drives your car - that's a given.

Lemme get off my soapbox.

I appreciate this advice and it is very similar to what I was trying to do. The girl just wasnt compatible with it.

At the start of the relationship, I told her no silly silent treatment or blaming me for stuff outside of my control. She got it pretty quick as I was adamant I was going to leave.

Where things got tricky is she just moved on to the next subtle manipulation. She started lying about insignificant stuff. That cracked my armour for a while because the lies wouldnt affect me if she told the truth. I did my best to put my foot down, but she just got better at it until I had enough and I did leave. She wouldnt even admit to her lies when trying to get me back. I dno if she was pathological liar but she wasnt like this during the first year.

I wouldnt let it this far with any new chick that I go for LTR, but Ive been humbled enough to know it will probably happen no matter who it is. Its just whether the risk is worth the pain

 

[topcat]

Excellent advice, but..

35-40 chicks

really that low?

I’ve cracked about 4x that and still feel i haven’t scratched the surface nor found many super compatible…

Thought there’d be greater out there tbh.

If that is the case though, simply means i can lower my expectations and deal with what’s out there accordingly. Does leave me feeling a tad cynical though..

 

[ulrich]

Excellent advice, but..

really that low?

I’ve cracked about 4x that and still feel i haven’t scratched the surface nor found many super compatible…

Thought there’d be greater out there tbh.

If that is the case though, simply means i can lower my expectations and deal with what’s out there accordingly. Does leave me feeling a tad cynical though..

I’d say it depends on wether you’re sampling from the general population or from a specific niche.

Statistically speaking, the number 37 assumes a somewhat homogeneous distribution of desirable qualities in a large population… but for mate selection, it would be more appropriate to group women in niches.

It’s not the same to sample 37 women from all stages of life to sample 37 women exclusively from nightclubs, for example.

For a personal example, I dated over 40+ artists and really struggled to find LTR material.
Then I changed my niche and got a physician girlfriend who is sweet, feminine and nurturing in less than 3 tries.

So yeah, 37 is a decent sample size… as long as you’re sampling for multiple niches.
Not sure if that is your experience, @topcat

 

[Skills]

Excellent advice, but..

really that low?

I’ve cracked about 4x that and still feel i haven’t scratched the surface nor found many super compatible…

Thought there’d be greater out there tbh.

If that is the case though, simply means i can lower my expectations and deal with what’s out there accordingly. Does leave me feeling a tad cynical though..

i don't agree with west, there is not really a number per se.... Nothing changes, you date a lot of women at the same time, if again key word if, one is outstanding, you keep it on probation period and you promote or demote accordingly..... The number of lays to be honest not important, the way about promoting to main is what is important.....

 

[Tony D]

You guys are my best friends...

 

[topcat]

i don't agree with west, there is not really a number per se.... Nothing changes, you date a lot of women at the same time, if again key word if, one is outstanding, you keep it on probation period and you promote or demote accordingly..... The number of lays to be honest not important, the way about promoting to main is what is important.....

ahh yes your classic approach, i do like it tbh. I'll continue to do this..

 

[Bismarck]

If you watch the presenter, he continually loses control of his emotions, insults the women, and display his fake alpha male rage upon them. But this is FEMININE behaviour. Masculine men do not act like this, nor do they care.

Real masculine men will take their punches, and they will attract the sort of women they desire.

Hey Zardoz,

I like to defer to the great Jungians Moore and Gillette when considering masculinity and its potentials.

All men have masculine and feminine sides, and trying to suppress the latter will only lead you to suppress your true self, which seeks expression.

Men can and should have emotions. Achieving mature masculinity is impossible without them.