Nightgame street openers

[average_daygamer]

I'm trying to come up with nightgame street openers, as that is where most of my approaches take place.

So far I have:

"Hi girls, you look great! What is everyone doing tonight"

"Girls, hi, What's the party!?"

"Hi, how's your night going"

"Excuse me girls, I'm looking for friends tonight, mind if I join you"

"Hey, I like/nice dress!"

The problem I am having is that I am struggling to show intent. Particularly if it is a dark street, I feel very creepy to approach.

Conversely, if the girl is dressed sexily like in a miniskirt that is also something that makes me excessively self conscious. And also feel like people might think I am harassing the girl(s) due to the clothes she is wearing, or lack thereof.

So these are my sticking points with nightgame. I definitely feel like as soon as I approach, a timer has started before the girl issues a blowout or a stranger will intervene in the approach.

 

[Teevster]

"Hi girls, you look great! What is everyone doing tonight"

"Girls, hi, What's the party!?"

"Hi, how's your night going"

"Excuse me girls, I'm looking for friends tonight, mind if I join you"

"Hey, I like/nice dress!"

So, a quick exercise. Can you, based on your knowledge of frames point out what is wrong with these openers? I will tell you answer, don't worry, I just want to make a point referring to some of your past threads where you mentioned problems with hooks and flakes, and in order to provide any sensible advice, I'd like to know your overall understanding of frames (also a good exercise for you).

-Teevster

 

[empath]

So, a quick exercise. Can you, based on your knowledge of frames point out what is wrong with these openers? I will tell you answer, don't worry, I just want to make a point referring to some of your past threads where you mentioned problems with hooks and flakes, and in order to provide any sensible advice, I'd like to know your overall understanding of frames (also a good exercise for you).

-Teevster

Though its for @average_daygamer

I will just try to see my own understanding of game as well. Though I don't do night game.

1. Compliment, followed by a question. No value provided, infact its a group so value is taken. Making a statement would have been better. They would correct and invest in the conversation.

2. Same as above, no value, no challenge, why she even would be interested unless a very attracted women.

3. Decent opener.

4. Value taking opener, a big ask, also heavy DLV

5. Decent opener, if delivered right, though if a neg or assumption is added reaching hook point will be easier, eg. Nice dress, looks like you are all dressed up for your date

 

[gameboy]

man empath you ruined it for avg dg...

 

[Skills]

those are bad ass shoes??

what you guys are scheming?

what are you guys celebrating??

whose birthday it is? (birthday group)

who is the bride?? (bachelorette group)

where is the afterparty?

how is your night going?

you guys don't look from around here are you?? (foreign looking people)

^ that is more than enough...

 

[Teevster]

Though its for @average_daygamer

I will just try to see my own understanding of game as well. Though I don't do night game.

1. Compliment, followed by a question. No value provided, infact its a group so value is taken. Making a statement would have been better. They would correct and invest in the conversation.

2. Same as above, no value, no challenge, why she even would be interested unless a very attracted women.

3. Decent opener.

4. Value taking opener, a big ask, also heavy DLV

5. Decent opener, if delivered right, though if a neg or assumption is added reaching hook point will be easier, eg. Nice dress, looks like you are all dressed up for your date

Bingo- Although the only "decent" opener here is the last one - it is totally neutral, neither good or bad. Number 3 is in my opinion is not good, because along with your other observations (which I 100% agree with), it is clear that the the guy using this opener is looking for a good night - it is implied. It provides no value, but rater is a lame openers that conveys "I want something from you".

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

where is the afterparty?

how is your night going?

I do not like these. Too much value seeking. Instead "You girls seem like you need a party", or "you girls seem like crazy party goers - you'd be awesome to have at a crazy afterparty".

The second one has a crazy good rate. It triggers responses like "where is the afterparty?" "what do you mean us being "crazy partygirls/partygoers?", "what's a crazy afterparty?", "how crazy is it?" etc...

It also implies I have some cool shit going on - even if I don't lol.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

man empath you ruined it for avg dg...

Yes he did lol.

-Teevster

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

I do not like these. Too much value seeking. Instead "You girls seem like you need a party", or "you girls seem like crazy party goers - you'd be awesome to have at a crazy afterparty".

The second one has a crazy good rate. It triggers responses like "where is the afterparty?" "what do you mean us being "crazy partygirls/partygoers?", "what's a crazy afterparty?", "how crazy is it?" etc...

It also implies I have some cool shit going on - even if I don't lol.

-Teevster

Can you go into more of why you don’t like “how’s your night going?”

That’s my main opener in night game, tbh I’ve been getting neutral reactions might try some of the openers above to set the pace better.

 

[Spike]

Mine is “hey. What’s ur name?”

easy to remember

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

Mine is “hey. What’s ur name?”

easy to remember

What kinds of reactions have you gotten from this?

I assume you just go straight into convo after that right?

 

[Spike]

What kinds of reactions have you gotten from this?

Well I get laid pretty frequently so good reactions.

I assume you just go straight into convo after that right?

Yes

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

Well I get laid pretty frequently so good reactions.

Yes

Perfect imma try this, and I like “what are you scheming” seems fun and playful

 

[gameboy]

Mine is “hey. What’s ur name?”

easy to remember

Mine used to be "Hey, who are you?" when I did night game in my 20s. Pretty good reactions usually, got me a decent number of lays and a few girlfriends.

 

[Skills]

Mine used to be "Hey, who are you?" when I did night game in my 20s. Pretty good reactions usually, got me a decent number of lays and a few girlfriends.

Yes this one works has to be de with happy vibe, enthusiasm and surprise.. a lot of acting and voice inflation. ... Forgot about that one..

 

[Skills]

I forgot to i was going to wear that outfit.... Really skimpy slutty dress or really high high heels

 

[Spike]

Has to be done with happy vibe, enthusiasm and surprise.. a lot of acting and voice inflation

Too much. I’m not gonna get myself into that state each time I approach a girl “hey!”

which is why I like about mine. Besides its simplicity, it doesn’t require forcing yourself to go high energy when you just don’t feel like it.

Nonchalant, low energy with a smile

 

[Teevster]

Mine used to be "Hey, who are you?" when I did night game in my 20s. Pretty good reactions usually, got me a decent number of lays and a few girlfriends.

I have used this one with great success too.
-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Can you go into more of why you don’t like “how’s your night going?”

That’s my main opener in night game, tbh I’ve been getting neutral reactions might try some of the openers above to set the pace better.

Because it does not do anything good, and at worst, it conveys that you are looking for fun, not bringing the fun. In most nightgame setting, women are extremly sensitive to value - it is like high school all again. Mystery had a point there.

What is implied with "how's your night going"? A frame that you are looking for something - which rarely sets a good frame.

 

[Skills]

Too much. I’m not gonna get myself into that state each time I approach a girl “hey!”

which is why I like about mine. Besides its simplicity, it doesn’t require forcing yourself to go high energy when you just don’t feel like it.

Nonchalant, low energy with a smile

For me is automatic is like me saying is too much to act like the gif you posted...