Ocantu Journal

[ocantu1987]

Hey guys, I started the newbie assignment today and had some success. I started on day 3 & 4 since I got the other stuff down already. My venues were 2 malls, 1 bookstore, and 1 bar. I started off by going to starbucks to get a coffee, the clerk or whatever you call her was a young girl (jail bait), I looked her dead in the eye and she looked down quickly haha. I left and went to mall #1 I walked to the front and said hi to a fatty, she didn't respond, later I locked eyes with another girl (nice looking) I nodded my head to her and said hi, she didn't respond. I said hi to a couple of old people and some other girls, I noticed at the mall I hardly ever get people to lock eyes with me hmmm. Everyone avoided my gaze haha ok whatever.

Went to Barnes & Noble bookstore and spotted a good looking latin girl, I said Hi and she responded with a hi back. I could of approached her but didn't do it, oh well I said hi at least.

I went to mall #2 and said hi to more old people and some girls, but I nodded my head to them and smiled mostly some replies and some no replies nothing interesting.

I went to my favorite bar of all time, Fox and Hound. Man I remember three years ago I was with my wing man I approached two hot latinas there, of course I was super drunk, but they didn't care at all haha. They complemented me on how confident I was at approaching them (beer balls) and they said come on over. I look back that night and realize we could of toke those girls back home, but I got too drunk and left them erghh. Any ways I went to scope out the place and smiled and said hi to the greeter and talked to her a little with laser eye contact (man eye contact is easy for me now). I sat at a table watching a game, I got a waitress, her name was Leia and Introduced myself as well. She was cute and I ended up talking to her, well she broke the ice first, I got only one beer and she said "is that all" since I was leaving haha. I said yeah i was scoping out the place (laser eye contact and smile) and we talked about her name meaning lioness in spanish and she said her hair was as bad as a lion or something and I said "no, it looks nice" haha. I could of deeped dived her, again I miss a chance to deep dive.

I never took waitresses seriously since chase calls them "hired guns" and it feels like they are nice too you because they want a tip haha similar to strippers lol.

Not too bad today, feel it will take some hard work to approach, but I ain't done yet haha. IMO I really don't like malls, they seem too much. I think I can approach at other places most likely such as school, gym, bookstore, bar. I will do whatever works best for me.

Does anyone approach at the mall?

 

[Waterboii]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

Alright Ocantu, thats a pretty solid start! Even if she is getting paid to be nice ... its good practice! I've found malls tough too. Mostly because I can't stand them in general... I like being outdoors. But keep putting yourself into different situations and venues, don't just write one off because of a awkward day. I almost did that with the beach actually (I just feel more comfortable in nice clothes), and it turned out to be one of most successful places. I'm looking forward to the next post brother!

Keep on keeping on!
WB

 

[ocantu1987]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

Thanks waterboii, man oh man I just now blew a chance to talk too a hotty in my class erghh, I have a problem when it comes to school, I have to get a girl "alone" for me to approach and thats what happened tonight she was leaving and talking to a friend I was going to direct open her on how good she looked tonight, but she was around people and her friend. she was also going as going one way and me another (so chasing?). I have to talk her before the semester is up hahah actually I will.

 

[ocantu1987]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

Breakthrough today!!! Last night at school I could have talked to a hot latin chick , but I saw her surrounded by her classmates and I chickened out. I was feeling mad about it all day, why the hell did I not approach her erghhh and I started feeling depressed. I went to the gym today and saw a cutie come in, I saw her walking with her friend to talk to this guy I know, I asked the guy
"hey man who is that chick in pink?"
"there are friends that I knew back in high school"
"Are they single?" "yep"

So I was thinking about approaching and skipping a step of the newbie assignment and flat out tell her she is cute and I wanted to meet her haha, I was overthinking alot, but I said fuck this I will feel worse if I dont approach so just do it, it will make me stronger and BAM, I approached her haha I was nervous and I told her I was nervous (whoops) but I told her hey, I thought you were cute and I wanted to meet you, she was like oh! okay, my name is ashley,Im oscar nice to meet you. I said again i was nervous and that is all I had to say and left hahah whooooo! My first direct approach finally, I can do situational all day, but direct makes me nervous hahah steady progress

 

[Waterboii]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

YEAH OSCAR! That is pretty much exactly the thought process that goes through my head when I'm approaching. And I bet you do feel better huh? I wouldn't worry too much about a girl in a big group yet, thats a tough one. It sounds like you know where you're heading next, opening smoother and getting some rapport and eventually a bit of deep diving. Just keep working on it, it'll come my man!

WB

 

[ocantu1987]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

YEAH OSCAR! That is pretty much exactly the thought process that goes through my head when I'm approaching. And I bet you do feel better huh? I wouldn't worry too much about a girl in a big group yet, thats a tough one. It sounds like you know where you're heading next, opening smoother and getting some rapport and eventually a bit of deep diving. Just keep working on it, it'll come my man!

WB

Thanks man! I do feel good. I knew i would feel worse if I didn't do anything learning from my mistake the previous night with that other girl, i knew this was the time.

I also don't like groups or if there alot of people around a girl (even if she is not talking to them), I prefer a women that is by herself. From what I read chase says to address the leader first haha but I talked to the other girl only haha

 

[ocantu1987]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

Last night I decided to get out. My cousin and my friend both flaked on me, so I decided to go to a bar alone for the first time and dang I am proud of myself lol.

1st bar, I went in and the whole place was jam packed because they were showing a ufc fight. I ended up standing around like a weirdo with no beer because of how busy the place is erghhh. So, I did my first situational approach and went up to a group of older latin women, I say they were like 10+ years older than me. Im 26

I was a little off my game(fundamentals) since i was sober haha
Me: Hey ladies, I got a problem.
Them: oh yeah whats wrong?
Me: I am over there standing like a stiff, and I want to sit down and watch the fight, is this seat taken? (this place was jam packed, with no seats anywhere except them)
Them: sure, go right ahead
Me: Thank you, Im Oscar by the way
Them: Mayra, Naomi.

So I sat there watching the fight, I struggled to talk to them as they didn't find me interesting at all. I would say a few things here and there they would
invest a little and I also asked if they were single and they all said yes, I was like no way I find that hard to believe. They were like "Why?" I said because you ladies are so beautiful and they looked at me like a fucking idiot haha, I think these girls didn't like how young I was so they backed off of giving me advances.

I was wasting my time here and I just left that bar and went to venue #2

I went to a sports bar, I got a drink and scouted the area for singles and opened up these two girls, one was very attractive but a bit on the chubby side, but that is what I like though (she was my target). The other girl was a fatty, but I opened them easy like this...

Me: Hey, are guys friendly?
Them: what? yes we are lol, why?
Me: well I havent seen anyone come up and approach you girls and I thought hmm they must be pretty intimidating, but I have to see for my self (said with a smile)
Them: haha
Me: Im Oscar
Monica: Im monica (my target, dang she had a pretty face)
Nereyda: Nereyda (I got her name wrong several times, I called her lorena haha whoops)

So I got into some light banter with these girls, learning from my mistake from last time of asking to sit with girls to early. After a few sentences I asked if I could join them and they said yes, So there I was my second approach of the night haha I didn't approach anyone else so I was sitting with them and they were the opposite of the last girls haha very nice.

I did my best in getting them to open (deep dive) and I asked them interesting questions, such as do you travel, at your job do you plan on doing that forever, what part of mexico was your family from blah blah. Nereyda was the one investing more, but monica was more reserved (fuck, always the ones your interested in) I was starting to run out of stuff to say, but they assisted with conversation.

They asked if i was alone tonight and I told them the truth that I was and that my cousin backed out on me.

They were surprised that I approach them as they never get approached. I was the only guy talking to them all night lol girlschase trained baby!

They asked me out of the blue if I was married and I acted stupid looking at my fingers like I was a retard and they just burst out laughing lol I said "nope, no ring here haha" (good repartee there)

I asked them if they were single and they said yes, but later on monica took back that statement saying she is not officially single tonight or something, I was like oh shit, maybe I said something wrong erghhh

They were a few times were they were looking at me like I was stupid for saying something, but they seemed to forgive me about it. The other PUA roosh says that you are bound to say stupid things so just keep moving forword. So that is what i did. You just got to do your best.

The touch barrier with monica was broken quite early in the interaction. I touched her quite frequently and she never repelled. For most of the time her elbow was touching mine and she just never moved it. I asked about her bracelet that she got from another club all while touching her as well as touching her arm while making a point alot.

From there I made a mistake, I asked her for her picture since she was taking some of her friend. She was like "not by myself" , I was like okay, with me then? and she said yes. I got a little too close to her as I put my arm around her and my head tilted towards her WHOOOOPSSS, "she was like why so close?"
I said i am sorry, but I don't think she heard me and so I backed off a little and we got a picture together anyway. I wanted a trophy so i got her picture, but I think I overstepped her boundaries a little bit, when I got close to her haha lesson learned

the next big mistake I made was saying LTR (haha reading too much girls chase lately) when we talked about their long term relationships, they were like "don't say that it sounds wrong". I was like oh crap it sounds like DTF haha whooops i didn't think about that. they didn't like me saying that at all and I am glad they didn't kick me out haha lesson learned.

So the night was finishing up and I decided to get their numbers and I gave monica my phone, i said put your contact info in and she did. then she asked me are you getting everybody's? with a weird face like i don't want to give you my number unless you get everybodys. I was like "how about I just get yours" with a smile on my face and she complied.
Nereyda gave no problems and gave me her number right away.

I didn't ask them for a date or anything, i just gave them my phone. Big mistake, I should have told them what the hell i want to text them for haha. lesson learned.

Overall Nereyda gave the most compliance/investment, monica was reserved with me (couldnt deep dive enough, but our EC was strong and she never repelled my touch and we touched alot. My EC was great with both girls, my posture needs some work though haha

I texted them an hour after I got out of the bar and I sent this

"Hey nice meeting you. Save my number. Oscar"

no reply yet from either girls. I really want to see monica again but don't know what to do haha any tips guys? this is a long read sorry about that.

 

[ocantu1987]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

Two approaches today. I went to kroger and saw a girl with a nice body, i made my move

Me:Hey, I saw you earlier and I got to say you are the prettiest girl I have seen today.
Her: lol thank you, sorry I am married haha
Me: ohhhh noooo (with sarcasm) ok well have a good day.

Second approach I was at the gym
I finished my workout and approached a girl on the elyptical machine

Me: hey, i haven't seen you in a while (I have seen her before plenty of times)
Her: oh hey yeah I am back haha
Me: Im oscar
Her: Austin? (haha was nervous, got to speak up)
Me: no Oscar lol
her: Im suzy
Me: so erghh im sorry i get nervous haha
Her: (she smiles)
Me: Are you single?
her: yes i am
me: great
me: so what you working out today?
her: Just the elyptical
me: are you going to that kickboxing class?
her: no, not tonight I am tired from work
Me: where do you work at?
her:utmb
Me: so do you have a degree?
Her: I do , i work with kids playing video games all day lol
me: (I made a surprised look since i like girls who play video games)
me: really? dang
her: what do you do?
Me: You know I got promoted just a while back to head taco maker at taco bell (lame lame lame i will never use that line again erghh)
Her: (she didn't laugh)
me: Im just playing, i do auto cad
her: wow, auto cad?
me: yeah, you know about it?
her: yeah i work with engineers
me: oh cool
me: would you like to get some coffee with me sometime?
her: sure! you want my number?
me: you know i don't have my phone right now, so take my number.
herk, what is your number?
me:xxx-xxx-xxxx, why don't you give me a call right now for me ( smart that i did this, since she would most likely not text me first)
her: (she complied) this isn't a fake number is it? ( a little insecurity, she is not that hot, but she is cute enough for me)
me: I don't give false numbers to pretty girls
her: haha thank you
me: well got to go, you have a good night.
her: yeah you too, nice meeting you!

overall my fundamentals were off, i am better with alcohol but i am getting stronger

 

[ocantu1987]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

It been a while since I have been on here lol I never did complete the newbie assigment, I just skipped ahead and did one cold approach at my gym and it totally unlocked me in a sense, ever since then I knew I would always have the ability to approach no matter how much time has passed.

well today at my gym I approached a latina as she was leaving. I quickly got out of my car and I wasnt quite quick enough and she was already inside her car, so I signaled her to role her window and she did.

Me: (good EC) hey, I saw you earlier and I couldnt help but notice how cute you were and I had to come meet you.
her: oh thanks, Im monica (she was actualy a sweet and nice girl, she looked cold and bitchy just from the outside, but I was totally wrong)
Me: Im oscar!
her: Nice to meet you
Me: So monica how long you been coming here?
Her: oh on and off for a year or so.
Me: oh okay I see your taking that aerobics class, I heard its tough.
Her: yeah it is, you should try it sometime.
Me: cardio makes me lose weight (hmmm, I actually was serious about this one lol Im a 160 pound guy trying to bulk up haha)
Her:LMAO
Me: so monica are you single?
Her: no Im not
Me: I knew it lol I always thought that girls who drive trucks are always married, ,my co workers think I am wrong lol.
Her: well not necessarily, I like big things. ( lol was that a sex frame there haha)
me: so are you married then?
her: nope
me: boyfriend (EC with smile)
Her: yes, long term relationship
Me: how long?
Her: one year
Me:kids?
Her: no
Me: Im asking too many questions huh monica lol?
her: nooo your okay
Me: well it was nice meeting you monica, maybe we can be friends
Her: yes, nice meeting you

Franco, can you change the name of my journal to ocantu journal? thanks!

 

[ocantu1987]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

I signed up for Plenty of fish and so far it sucks lol I got one girl to respond to a few of my messages and then she just stopped lol I prefer the real world, but I dont meet new women during the weekdays and thats where I think online dating can help. I think my pictures are okay, I only got two of them, I used chases profile with small tweaks but basically the same thing. I think I will write my own here soon...

I messaged about 15 girls yesterday and no response lol online dating is rough.

 

[ocantu1987]

Re: Ocantu Newbie assignment

another gym approach tonight. I saw a nice looking latina getting on the stairmaster and I said fuck this dont think too much, just do it and I went over there.
Me: Hi, Ive never seen you before, and I just thought you were cute and I had to come meet you, Im Oscar. (my fundamentals were okay, i looked her in the eye , but I was shivering a little, she may have noticed lol)
Her: oh hi im serenia (she was very nice)
Me: So how long you have been coming here?
Her: I just started, I just moved here.
Me: oh really where from?
Her: Liberty, Texas
Me: oh okay, so what diffirences have notices compared to your hometown?
Her: Oh its okay (Hmmm, lack of investment on her part)
Me: are you single?
Her: no, I have a boyfriend.
Me: oh no, real boyfriend or imaginary boyfriend? (thanks to saha daygame for this one lol)
Her: lol real!
Me: okay, well it was nice meeting you, remember my name is oscar. Maybe we can friends
Her: okay bye!

 

[ocantu1987]

erghhh, yesterday I failed to approach a cute white girl (I actually prefer latinas) she was at my college waiting to register. She took some glances at me and then sat down. I wanted to go direct, but here is where I think direct would have been too strong, since she was sitting around so many people. I pussied out, which is strange since I have cold approached few times this past couple of weeks.

I think I am still a little blue after the last girl I dated and made out with dumped me, I got to return. I need an approach, might check out walmart and buccees today lol.

 

[ocantu1987]

wooooo! I made one approach today at the mall, I visited three other places and had some nerves and didnt do shit. I thought just something was wrong with me, why can I approach at the gym and not walmart lol all in my head. I went to repair my sunglasses and I ended up talking to the lady that was helping me, she wasnt my type, but I had a good conversation with her and that loosened me up, so I went outside and saw a cute, young latina I said bingo, target acquired

Me: excuse me.
Her: yes?
Me: Do you know where starbucks is? (haha it was right in front of us)
Her: right there lol
Me: Im just kidding, I thought you were cute and I wanted to meet you. Whats your name (solid fundamentals, yes!)
Her: lol oh thank you im Leslie.
Me: are you single Leslie?
Her: no i am engaged actually
Me: oh really? you got a ring then?
Her: *shows me her ring*
Me: Dang nice! well congratulations. You take care Leslie.
Her: bye!

Haha I felt strong again, she was smiling and caressing her hair. My EC was strong. I need to start daygaming more often, I have been depending on night game too much.

Next time I got to approach groups and maybe other girls that are not usually my type like older women. I saw two beautiful indian girls walking and should of approached, I saw a latin milf probably 35ish Im 26, should of approached, but said na she is to old. I am very picky, I like latinas 20-28, by themselves not with a group. Like zphix says you got to challenge yourself lol

 

[ocantu1987]

At the gym last night I saw a cute light skinned african american girl, I like latinas, but I decided to approach anyway to keep me from getting rusty.
She got off the phone near me and I didnt think and went for it.

Me:Hey, you're cute, what is your name?
Her: Marissa.
Me: Im Oscar.
Me: is that kickboxing class going on today?
Her: yeah.
Me: are you single?
Her: *smiles* no.
Me: what a shame,ok

Her body language said that she wanted to leave, and I just backed off, oh well she is not my type anyway lol

 

[ocantu1987]

At the gym last night I saw a cute light skinned african american girl, I like latinas, but I decided to approach anyway to keep me from getting rusty.
She got off the phone near me and I didnt think and went for it.

Me:Hey, you're cute, what is your name?
Her: Marissa.
Me: Im Oscar.
Me: is that kickboxing class going on today?
Her: yeah.
Me: are you single?
Her: *smiles* no.
Me: what a shame,ok

Her body language said that she wanted to leave, and I just backed off, oh well she is not my type anyway lol

 

[ocantu1987]

Went to gamestop yesterday and noticed a white girl (HB 6.75, she was under-dressed) walking in with her 4 year old son, she gave me a quick glance and also when I walked in she was looking at me and then I looked at her and she quickly looked away hmmm IOI. so I was browsing and she was to and I opened her with situational.

Me: so do you play video games?
Her: no not really
Me: you just here for your son?
Her: yeah, but I played this game (points at Catherine the game)
Me: oh hey It that game really good I heard it was challenging
Her: yes, it is very challenging and funny too
Me: ohh okay (I went back to looking for a game)

5 minutes later she was leaving.

Me: so what did you get?
Her: Watch dogs
Me: oh, well you have a nice day then.
Her: okay

Looking back I need to really work on my conversation game, also this girl was with her son and It felt awkward with him around that I didnt give it my all to ask her for a coffee date.

 

[ocantu1987]

wow! re-reading my old post brings back memories haha I have been out of action for a while I got with one girl who was not from a cold approach, I banged her on day 2 and she went back home 200 miles away, we texted for a while then all of a sudden she stops answering my text hmmm. Man I love her body, she was on the thick side but had 36DD boobies that I loved. She may come back to town one day and contact me, but I dont have to wait on her anymore, she always says shes coming but never shows lol.

one lesson I learned from a previous girl is never burn a bridge, never get mad because you never know (just get another girl), they may change their mind and want to fuck you again. this last girl pissed me off a lil bit but I never let her know it, I just stopped texting her lol. If she comes back I will act like nothing happened and bang her again, but in the mean time their is always more women!

I have been re-reading everything and I plan on getting back out again it sucks that you have to pay to view the articles on the website now, but I got to do the best I can and ask questions more. My fundamentals need activation again, I look down all the time and when people look at me unexpectedly i also look down erghh head up, practice looking at everybody in the eye, chest up shoulders back.

 

[ocantu1987]

Got xrays friday, and the girl taking my insurance was cute, but she had some nice boobs. she was really receptive to me, laughing at my dumb jokes. I gave her my "bald headed"drivers license and she instantly told me that I look so much better with hair *sweet!* I knew I had to ask her out.

Me: hey rebecca are you single?
Her: ummm...well...yeah, its complicated lol *she got shy*
Me:I would love to take you out for a coffee sometime.
Her: *she was looking down, being shy*
Other lady:*she heard what I said* you guys would make a great couple!
Her: I dont know...its complicated lol
Me: well its up to you, here is my card.

havent heard from her since, I felt that was definately into me. I just gave her my card wich is a no no, I should have grabbed her number erghh my coworker who is 50 reccomended business cards on meeting women, I cant believe I listened lol lesson learned

went daygaming at the mall sunday. My AA has been bad and I went out and told maybe 7-10 women they were pretty and just left, no rapport. lol it fucking made me more confident and loose, did 1 decent approach to a girl walking.

Me: excuse me, do you know where starbucks is at?
Here: umm this way, no that way lol I dont know
Me: come on, every girl knows where starbucks is at lol
Her: *her face lit up*
Me: hows your day going?
Herkay *she walked away, smiling though*

my coworker was with me and he disagreed with everything I did. He doesnt have the balls to approach, but he is giving me advice lol I barely know the guy, but I wont be gaming with him around again.

Also today I asked out a coworker, she told me she was seeing someone lol she is fat anyway haha she has a cute face though, forget her.

still feeling a little down though, I got no girls right now and my low back is killing me I dont feel really social today, I would love to hear from rebecca, it would make my day...

 

[ray_zorse]

Haha yeah better take advice from those who have done it... I have a friend who I call AMOG buddy on my journal... constantly tells me I suck with women... has no idea I daygame like 2-3 times per week and have banged out literally thousands of approaches... dude is girlfriended up and admittedly has been able to arrange some 3somes thru his social circle but basically has no idea haha. Anyway if I was you I would try following a template as follows-
hi there! (she looks... you look) I was just blahblah and I noticed your amazing blahblah, you look fabulous! I'm ocantu1987. (you shake)
(she's foreign) hi (her name), is that Filipino/French/Chinese/whatever?
oh cool and you moved here to study? you're a business student...
(or) oh so you're tourist... heading to some museum/etc? what do u think of my city so far? (or) why did you decide to take your holiday in (city)?
(she's carrying a shopping bag) hey so you've been to my favourite store, I really like the blahblah from there... what dif u get, some dress even smarter than what you're already wearing?
(she's carrying a briefcase) looks like you just stepped out from the office to grab a bite to eat... you're in financial services?
oh right yeah sounds important... u got reports due today, meetings, entertain clients...?
(etc) you get the picture, cold read & get her sharing

Go get em

I wouldn't say excuse me or ask for directions or otherwise hide the banana except maybe to warm up. But IMO the best warmup is approach the first girl u see, treat first 3 as practice, hit it hard

-Ray

 

[ocantu1987]

@ray thanks man, ok will try it out next time I day game. I think your right, after that day I feel like I can approach at will now and not warm-up haha. Any advice you can give me on my journal is more than welcome on here ray

went to community college last night,did my homework and decided to walk around to see if I could find a cutie to approach. I started off saying hi to everybody and also made conversation with some teacher in the elevator. Found a girl sitting by herself, she looked okay from a distance....but she was not good looking at all, I decided to practice anyway haha I had a little bit of nerves, but it went great. I wanted to work on talking slower and throw in some teasing and I did. want to eventually learn to implement chase frames, but never figured out how to do them.

I opened her indirect with (*playful tone with a smile* having fun? lol you looked bored)for some reason I cant remember the whole interaction, she was definitely smiling and asking questions alot. she was taking a ceramics class and she was waiting on her mom, her mom showed up and she was leaving. I said well take it easy, she immediately asked for my name and I was going to shake her hand, but she told me she had ceramic clay on it, I immediately said the first thing that came to my head "oh well I dont want to die *sarcastic tone*" she burst out laughing, didnt make too much sense but I made her laugh. I think I could have grabbed her number, but that would have been wrong on my part, since she was not attractive at all and I wasnt going to text her lol.

Didnt find any other women at the college. Lets see what thursday brings.