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ocantu1987

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Awesome advice man, ill put that on my goals list!

One thing i learned was take the good out of my approaches. This last girl called me james bond when the last group called me nervous, so i think the future looks bright for me :)

ill be checking out your journal man, you sound very experienced. I could learn something.
 

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well got laid last night. This girl from my social circle out of the blue texted me that she was coming to town to visit her grandma, we fucked before and it sucked for me since I lasted about 3 seconds in bed lol.

I told her to come over later and she did. I was playing with her big ass tits, and she had her hand on my cock. I quickly made my move, and got her on my bed. I was going to do missionary, but it felt awkward, so i had her climb on top. It felt great that she was on top, but her leg was cramping up on her so we tried another position, on our sides. I t seemed to be working, but her mom and grandma were blowing up her phone, she didnt tell them she was with me. She ended up leaving in the middle of sex lol I think we went for 5 minutes straight which is definitely an improvement i didnt cum though, i also rubbed one out before hand which i think helped alot, i was breathing more as we were fucking which i also think helped.

Once again I didnt cum, since she had to go before her grandma killed her, it was 2:30am lol no big deal

I think this girl gained a little weight from the last time and she had some body odor on her wich i guess i understand since she drove 200 miles before hand. The next girl i get with has to be hot lol this girl was not hot, she has some DD tits, but she is not attractive. My dad says "pussy is pussy" so got to roll with it.

got to look at it as training, sex is definitely not like porn. I found myself trying to figure out on the fly what to do, as well as talking her about what we should try. Im not very sexually experienced, and i seen now it will take practice.
 

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went to the bar with my friend, i wasnt planning on approaching since I was not dressed nice, and physically drained from the girl last night (aka no loaded gun) lol

we saw two girls walk in dressed really nice, they werent watching the game at all. My friend was curious about them so i decided fuck it, im the only man that can approach since he cant.

I walked to them,told them they look nice and it was not smooth at all, they were smiling, and they asked me if im alone. I said I was with my buddy, and i pointed to him, and the girl couldn't see him, so i waved at my buddy signaling that he was there. haha the girl saw my buddy and quickly told me we are about to leave, i didnt persit and dismissed myself.

first approach of the day.not in state at all, but tried anyway and will keep trying ;)

went to a strip club and met a german stripper,she had big tits and a nice ass. well i guess she seemed to like me since i showed interest in her country, i know a few german words, and she seemed to like it. I think i could have grabbed her number, but i dont trust strippers lol they just want your money lol. I f i met her during daygame it would be different.
 

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wanted to post this for my notes. I got to try to lead more and take chances to move women. I am thinking of my past interactions and thinking hmmm maybe I could have invited that girl to grab a smoke with me outside, then go for the makeout hmmm perhaps.

"Hey I'm just like will. Since your only having 10-15 mins reactions try risk-taking things such as, kiss her unexpectedly for a couple of minutes see how she reacts, a good sign would be, one will be her smile, eye contact body language if you feel everything seems positive, or this interaction is going will definitely take that risk, TAKE THE LEAD! Just grab her hand and just take the lead. At this time she will be into and she will be focused on you more than anything. Women don't know what the fuck they are doing. That's why you do all the work, women don't do it, they do things of how you do it and how they respond to. Just keep trying new things in your interactions as we'll. You should be be fine. Hope this helps :)
 

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haha just did an approach at lunch. I was heading to the grocery store and as i was parking my car i noticed a cute latina on her phone walking to her car. I am not in the mood,i got a sore throat, i watched porn yesterday,im dressed terrible wearing a cap, but I said fuck it. She was already in her car so i signaled her to lower her window, she had a puzzled look on her face.

Me:excuse me, i thought you were cute and I had to say hi *smile on my face*
Her:*she partially smiled* okay...hi
Me:what u up to today
Her:um just shopping *she was still puzzled*
Her:i have a boyfriend though
Me:eek:h yeah is he real or imaginary? ;) *smile on my face*
Her:umm...real... *she was still puzzled,girls always laugh at this.She didnt haha*

i saw that she wasnt feeling me at all so i excused myself and said Ill leave you alone, i think she was in a bad mood. whatever, still trying to keep myself warmed up, i stop approaching and i lose my prowess haha
 

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Shit! im still sick with a bad cough, sore throat. I also watched porn again erghhh I really believe it effects me socially and it effects my ability to attract women. Its no coincidence that I have attracted women with 3-4+ days of no porn/masturbation. Will beat this!

Porn is terrible, wish the usa would ban it everywhere. Got to stay positive, heal up this week and do a ton of push-ups with cold showers to beat the desire to watch porn. I might pass on going out this weekend and watch the NBA playoffs.
 

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Went to go practice pool and I was surprised to see 2 cute latina girls playing together lol this pool hall never has any women. I told myself i better approach. I think one of the girls glanced at me, and tried to hold eye contact with me, but I looked down lol im rusty again.

I was nervous plus not in social mood, but I went for it anyway. I approached them and they were very warm with me. They were spanish speakers, and I opened them in spanish. I think they were surprised how fluent I was and I think they liked that. Just said hi where yall from and do yall wanna play a game, and they instantly agreed.

Tried to make conversation with them, but not much investment on their part. Pure small talk erghh. One girl was laughing at all my jokes really easily, wich I thought was a hit. Cant seem to get girl to invest, this has been a problem for me. Theses girls were giving me one word answers.

I ended up beating them at pool haha I said I was through and told them nice meeting yall and bounced. Man I should have asked out the girl who was laughing at my jokes lol I know they come sundays, they told me. I looked back and 2 girls I approached and dated, didnt talk much at the beginning either. I keep thinking i need deep rapport then ask them out. Next time Ill just straight up ask a girl out, even if she giving me small talk.
 

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haha reread radeng post haha got to quit thinking i have to deep dive before i get a number close and move girls more. Got to listen to the advice I receive.
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

ocantu1987

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radeng said:
Dude! Get off the porn and get out there!

Yeah man, you definitely got this. Consciously practice your fundamentals, your voice tone, everything just like a guy in a movie who's a badass. Then get those numbers fast. Don't even worry if they are flakey or if its awkward, just start racking up numbers in your day game. Just ask every time. Get 20 numbers. If you really wanted to, you could probably get 20 numbers in 2-3 weeks pretty easily. It wouldn't even be a ridiculous amount of approaching.

Go in with this general game plan:
-Direct or indirect opener with deep voice
-eye contact
-my name is Ocantu, whats your name?
-eye contact
-oh xxx, what do you do?
-oh really, thats cool I have a aunt who's in that(don't have to say this, just relate to her somehow).
-Is that what you always wanted to do, I bet you really wanted to be a painter?(or something stereotypical based on her looks)
-Look, I have to run, but you seem interesting/cool(whatever compliment you feel congruent with) we should grab a coffee next week and continue this
*hand phone over* put in your info and ill text you.

Boom done, 3 minutes max.

Some of the numbers may be flaky, but just get fucking good at getting them. I read your whole journal and you should have gotten tons of numbers! Your approaches seem really solid, you just cannot second guess yourself. No matter what happens. Just relax, maintain strong eye contact, lean back, don't smile unless you say something that you want to be funny and ask for the number EVERY TIME. That script above is my baseline script for number swaps and Ive used it for years. I usually go indirect as my fundamentals are very strong and I usually come up with a witty off handed comment on the spot. I use direct if I can't think of anything else.

Its time to move on from just approaching now, you've GOT to start leveling up. Number is the new focus in day, moving is the new focus at night. Don't think about anything else. The first thing out of your mouth in the morning should be "lets grab coffee next week."

Get pumped, because once you start racking up numbers getting girls on dates is easy. Then, once you start getting girls on dates, its just a matter of time till you get laid. Then, you'll actually have a numbers statistic, where you'll know, ok out of 15 numbers, I usually get 5 responses, 3 dates, 1 lay. AND ANYTIME YOU WANT, just go get 15 numbers and boom, within a week, dick will be wet. Then it only gets better from there.

Get on some dates son!

thanks radeng, ok will listen here. Im confident i can go for more numbers :)

on fundamentals, i think mine may not be great yet. I rarely get IOI from women before I approach, I think i should look back at my fundamentals. What did you do to improve on your fundamentals radeng? I have to get this down :)
 

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I highly recommend radeng's visualizations. As I've said in the past, I generally feel that affirmations and visualizations are a crock of shit, however these ones are working very nicely for me :)
Ray
 

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Thanks for the help guys! I always looked up to eric northman on true blood, dude has massive confidence/fundamentals. At times i would pretend im him haha
here is a video of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp2Auorw6Lw
 

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Went out tonight, with a focus on fundamentals. I have been working on my walk on the treadmill at my gym and I think its cool. I start with my right foot then move my left shoulder foreword as I step, then right shoulder foreword as I step with my other foot. My left hand moves more to the middle of my leg. Im trying the gunslinger walk except toned down haha I get anxiety that people will make fun of me trying to walk like a gangster or something (cause i feel like one :)) nobody seems to have notice anything, i like my walk actually, i tried it alot on the treadmill (can see my reflection on glass) and a mirror at home, alot more shoulder movement involved in my walk to sum it up haha

Been foam rolling my upper back and i think it helps my posture big time, I walk with my head up. I constantly tell myself to pick my chest up head parallel.

Both my walk and posture were great tonight. I got more looks from the females as well. I was also well dressed. Pretended I was eric northman for a whie haha

Sadly it was ufc night at these bars and didnt see any sets to approach :( majority were couples, ugly chicks, and hired guns. Damn! fucking latina with huge boobs and great ass was my waitress, lord all mighty I should talk to hired guns more.....I dont know about that haha
 

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went to a salsa class tonight. Didnt see much prospects. one girl with a beautiful face and smile plus body fat lol was asking me questions. At the break i started talking to her more, but my social momentum was zilch. I couldnt keep a conversation with her at all. She told me her name and i instantly forgot it lol I thought she was cute, but im tired of chubby girls. She wasnt fat, but could lose some pounds.

I felt way off my game and my socials skills sucked ass. This is what i get for taking the week off and relapsing to porn haha currently on 5 days nofap, looking to permanently quit porn. Got to get my ass out there.
 

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went to the doctor today, turns out im losing a little hair. Im 27 right now and it kind of freaks me out that i wont be attractive without my hair. Several women have complimented my hair. The doctor is going to give me a blood test, if thats okay then hell describe propecia. Ill do what it takes to maintain my hair.

as I was waiting to be called on I saw and attractive girl sitting down.She had short shorts with chuck taylors, and latina my type ;) I got nervous and went to the restroom to piss and breath lol. I told myself you got to talk to her, my approach anxiety is back, but do something anyway.

I went to her and saw she was on her kindle.

Me: you dont look sick :)
Her: *she half smiled and looked down*
Me: so are you waiting too?
Her: *she didnt look back at me and she said mhmm*

I walked away cause her body language sucked ass, it felt like she wanted me to fuck off. Maybe im being negative again idk she was probably pregnant or something, having a bad day or her dog died.

My social skills sucked here, but at least i tried. For some reason this approach stung me a little bit, i got to quit being a pussy and do more approaches.
 

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Just got from a bar haha I did real good for 2 approaches. I went to my latina bar called ojos locos and didnt see much, except 2 girls at the bar area. I thought they were with the guys next to them, but I saw them leave together alone fuck. I almost got into a fight approaching a girl once, her boyfriend was at another table, ever since I dont mindlessly approach, i wait to see if there is somebody there.

a guy sat next to me and he seemed cool, I said "you here hunting girls like me too ?" he laughed and said "hunting beer" lol we hit it off. We talked a bit and he recommended another great bar to go to...bomshells! I said cool ill meet you there, i gave him my phone number. I am cautious of wings nowadays, I keep hoping to meet a great wingman, but Im always dissapointed. This guy was cool, but he did seem unconfident. Im a lone wolf.

I arrived at the bar and it was packed as hell. I saw a group of 5 hot latinas leaving and I said i better warm up, I said "wait you ladies leaving already, you got to let me buy yall a drink " I smiled and looked all of them in the eye, they were smiling,but baffled haha one girl said no and I said i was only playing and left, I felt warmed after that. No way i was buying them all drinks wtf im broke.

I kept walking around to look for a seat or place to camp, I must have walked around a ton. I passed by my targets, the ones i approached several times. Anyway i met up with the guy there and I said i was going to approach the 2 girls sitting over there. He was like "dude your a tiger haha" one girl was fat (amber), the other was slimmer but thick (stacy). she had huge breast omg i wanted to stick my tongue down there. here teeth were okay but she could use some work i give her a 7 out 10, my dad says pussy is pussy haha

I approach with "hey you ladies look like your having fun" i smiled, but they were neutral. I introduce myself and i asked the question about the bar, how they like it and such. I forget what i said to them, but my repartee was awesome with them. They were laughing at all my jokes and teases.

I did something diffrent this time, i sat down without asking permission and then I said "i wont stay long" false time constraints tend to work for me. Ive been reading "bang" by roosh v and its a great book so far, nothing taking away from girls chase, but he offers techniques for everything. He doesnt go direct, but im thinking indirect works better for me.

anyway we keep talking, they told me they rejected 2 other guys before me lol "we tell them we have boyfriends or that were gay, but not the good looking guys" haha I guess im good looking then. I was touching stacy quite a few times, she showed me her tattoos I touched them, we talked about the gym she showed her biceps I touched them as I was talking i would touch her hands, she didnt care at all. Her leg was touching mine sometimes under the table.

I was teasing and making these girls laugh alot. My eye contact was elite. They were telling me about a country music singer that i looked like, called brian something haha they asked me if i ever got mistaken for a celebrity haha i toke that as a compliment ;)

they kept sayin they were hungry and were going to dennys, i think that a window there, but I didnt know what to do there, mind was made uo to go to dennys, they didnt invite me

I told stacy " you seem cool lets hangout sometime, i gave her my phone" she said okay and put it in, she told me to call her so she can have my number. I didnt "ask" this time for a number, i gave her my phone and she dialed it haha im learning.

i left and sent her an icebreaker text "hey stacy, this is oscar aka brian lol save my number :) -oscar" she actually replied with "gotcha"

overall i hope this becomes a lay, but i know too that i shoudnt get my hopes up, she wasnt drunk so thats a plus. Ill write a note to myself and say "oscar do what you did tonight again and again, every weekend"

things i did well
conversation lasted an hour, i think it was because i was vibing with these girls, i didnt run out of things too say wich is a surprise
repartee was clicking everywhere, i teased them, i was sarcastic alot.
broke the touch barrier easily i touched ambers tattoo as well
I didnt buy them drinks at all, thats a first haha

thing i wish i could have done
MOVING THEM! i had no clue how to move them, i was tallking to them strait for a whole hour. I have some ideas, maybe buy menthols and say come get a smoke with me or something could use help here guys...
 

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thanks radeng, yeah i feel like im definitely improving. I feel like i put to much pressure on myself on bringing girls home from a bar, i said first just work on going for numbers every-time like you said, improve my logistics (i live 30 miles away from these bars), gain some more experience talking to girls. baby steps for now lol.

Yeah i plan on texting her tomorrow with the girls chase template here https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3701

I know bars are infamous for flakes/no replies, but im thinking you never know until you try, she may be horny haha and i can definitely help with that :)
 

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I texted that girl and never heard back haha. fuck it gotta keep moving foreword.
 

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im realizing that was only "one" number haha need to try daygame as i feel i can get more numbers there instead of a bar. 3 big malls within 30 miles of my house, more women to approach than my 3 bars combined
 

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Went to walgreens after my workout to get icy hot for my low back. As I walked in I saw a sexy tall white girl in an orange dress. I said i was going to leave her alone, but i ended up seeing her in the checkout line. She was doing her thing, the female clerk was talking to her, but this girl wasnt interested in her at all perhaps in a bad mood.

I tried smiling at her when she looked at me, but she did not return it. IShe left and I finished checking out. As I walked int the parking lot I saw she was still in her car texting. I was already getting ready to leave when I said fuck it. I went to her window....

Me:Hey sorry this might sound random, but i thought you were beutiful and i had to say hello.
Her:ummm...okay....thanks (baffled look on her face)
Me: Im really shy, i dont mean to scare you, anyways whats your name?
Her hanna....
Me:im oscar, nice to meet you
Her: ....
Me: so....um....you live around here?
Her: yeah
Me:eek:kay...um sorry i am nervous and i would like to get to know you hanna, can i take you out for a drink sometime?
Her: sure (she is going for a pen and paper)
Her: okay tell me your number
Me: haha thats old, give me your number (I tried to give her my phone)
Her:ummm, just tell me your number lol
Me: come on thats the oldest trick in the book, just give me your number its the same thing lol
Me: so does that mean no?
Her:yeah...im sorry
Me: lol I bet you tricked a lot of guys with that one
Her: ...
Me: well ill let you go, have a nice day

man that sucked. my fundamentals were off and anxiety was there. Im starting to doubt if ill ever get a date again. idk but this girl was not into me at all, i could see it big time, she may have been in a bad mood idk. She was actually taller than me which could have been a factor....fuck im not seeing any results, is it really worth it to keep approaching....

im hoping adding muscle to my 155lbs frame can improve my chances with wome as i am currently bulking. I feel that this my last straw as women just are never attracted to me. I know narrow j is swole. I want pussy in my life please god haha
 

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Actually I thought it was fucking awesome the way you called her out and persisted, gotta look for the small victories man, this gets a huge thumbs up from me :)
Ray
 
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