PART 2: How to pass the AGE OLD shit test? (Scenario 2)

[Calibration]

Hey guys, I had posted a question a few days ago: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/how-to-pass-the-age-old-shit-test.26410/#post-151120
I'm assuming its ok to create another post since this was with a different girl and the interaction was completely different. If this is not OK just LMK, in future I won't create multiple posts.

Anyway, today I met a super cute 20 y.o chic and again the same thing happened (Facepalm)

tl;dr; Conversation went on for nearly 20-25 mins with lot of attraction but still she shut me down due to age difference. I applied every tip you guys had suggested but still it didn't go any further. Do you guys think age is really that HUGE girls make it out to be? I don't have a lot of reference experience with this, I had only one 20 y.o. in the past.

Long version: (Throughout the conversation, there was deep eye-contact and she was smiling or laughing all the time)
She was sitting across me at Starbucks and I went up to her and this is how the conversation went (hope I've covered everything that happened in 20-25 mins):
Me: hey
She: *lifts her head to look at me*
Me: I like your eyebrows!
She: *Laughs very loudly* and says thanks *looking at me with doe eyes*
Me: *Laughing along..* your reaction was funny
She: Why? *Still laughing*
Me: You were so surprised and you weren't expecting that.. I know you weren't expecting but your reaction.. haha
Me: Anyway, how do you grow them? (In reference to her eye-brows)
She: *didn't know what to respond* what do you mean?
Me: I mean, do you water them daily?
She: Ya, I water them and give them food *still laughing*
Me: *with a serious face* what about fertilizer?
She: oh! Ya of course.. fertilizer too. You?
Me: Nah.. I don't put fertilizer but sometimes..
She: *still laughing*
Me: Are you from here? Do you speak English?
She: Yes. Why?
Me: I thought you were either Latin American or from the Middle East.
She: Ya, I have middle-eastern roots
Me: I guessed it from your defined eyebrows. I have traveled a bit in the middle-east and everyone have those dark defined eyebrows.
She: Ya, true.
Me: So, what are you doing?
She: *she just doesn't stop smiling* What do you mean?
She: Oh, I'm a student.
Me: What are you studying?
She: Mid-wifery.
Me: *surprised* Whaat? I didn't know something like that existed. I know mid-wives but didn't know you study for a long time for that.
She: Gave a long explanation about that...how its popular in Europe and she loves that and how long the course is etc etc
Me: Surprising! Why didn't you instead become a doctor, if you had to study 4 years?
She: No, I don't like to do surgery
Me: But I think this is still stressful
She: Ya, I like challenges
Me: That's good. But, if you were a doctor you would have made a lot of money
She: Ya, but I always wanted to just do something with women and medicine but I didn't want to become a gyno or obstetrician.
Me: I told her about how I recently read about the huge salaries doctors make etc
She: Ya and she gave a long list of specialities which makes a lot of money
Me: I wonder how they enjoy all that money? Do they even have time for that?
She: Ya, I agree but that's how a doctor's life is.
Me: So, you'll be an expert in delivering kids and fixing pregnant women *Tried to spike it a bit since it was starting to get boring*
She: *laughs loudly*
Me: My engineer jargon..haha
She: What kind of engineer?
Me: I studied engineering but I'm an analyst. Doing a bit of project management. I deliver too but projects..
She: Oh ok
Me: So, anyway, I need to go.. we should catch-up another time (Old habits die hard. I'm guilty of not seeding the date since I have got so used to using this phrase that it came out naturally)
She: How old are you?
Me: 18
She: *laughs loudly* Nooo
Me: actually 19
She: No, really tell me
Me: What do you think? Take a guess
She: 28?
Me: Close.. 29.
She: I'm 20 *with an unamused face*
Me: Really? You sound very thoughtful and mature for your age.
She: Thanks.
Me: I mean you look 20 and have this playful energy but you're not someone who can't understand things.
She: *laughs again*
Me: Ya, so lets meet again
She: No, that's a lot of age difference.
Me: *acting surprised* Oh, this is interesting. Why do you think that matters?
She: I don't know, I always have thought not to go beyond 23.
Me: We'll meet and we never know what you'd like
She: No, that's something that I can't change
Me: Well, just out of curiosity and you don't have to go out with me. But why is that? Are you conscious that I'd have a lot more life experience?
She: Hmm.. I want to grow and experience life with someone.
Me: If someone is already experienced, isn't it a bonus and easy for you to just learn quickly?
She: Ya, someone like a brother but not father *there was a sexual undertone in what she said*
Me: *There were 3 guys sitting next to her and listening to all of our conversation. So, I did not want to say, "Like a Daddy you mean?" but instead laughed and said "Father?", something comes to my mind but I don't think this is the place to say that.
She: Anyway, nice meeting you
Me: Same, bye!

I more or less used everything that you guys had suggested
@Rakehell @J Wick @Skills @Will_V @moom @Chase @Teevster @StrayDog @Musicman

Are girls really that conscious of age-difference? Could I have done anything differently?

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

@Shawn dude! Age isn't a problem, for some girls it is and it doesn't matter what you'll do you can't overcome it in the short interaction you have, that's cool you can't win them all. I routinely seduce girls 18-21 and I have 10 years+ on some of these girls.

You could have done a lot of stuff differently, you didn't ask her out on a high note, you killed the conversation then tried to escape by a date invite. The date invite lacked qualification and direction it was very vague.
"I've got to go but you seem cool, we should grab some drinks sometime" would have been smoother but it could have been timed better.

You fell into her frame again when she told you she was 20, you start qualifying her and justifying your own qualification at this point which looks like you're desperately hanging in to the conversation.

The amount of times girls ask for my age, I ask them to guess, they then decide to tell me they're 18 or 19 and I just say cool, act unbothered like it's normal and they drop the age thing entirely. When she says she's 20 just say "cool, when are you free?" If you're unbothered and act as if she's accepted it if she's attracted she'll go with it. It shows so much confidence with what you're doing. If this is an objection she'll then bring it up.

When she brought this up as an objection you're on the defensive. She told you she doesn't go above 23 and you didn't address the objection you plowed on to the meet. You should have addressed this and teased her "oh that sounds very limiting, why is that?" "That sounds very limiting, you might struggle meeting a 23yo when you're 60" clearly taking what she's said out of context with the latter.

Your curiosity bit was horrible. This is an exit strategy that won't give you any information and was even self defeatist. Don't say you don't have to go out with me, she knows this, she's just rejected you dude. Do the above and you'll avoid this altogether

 

[Railer]

I like the line for addressing objections. How would you handle unspecific responses. Something like:

I don't know, I always have thought not to go beyond 23.
oh that sounds very limiting, why is that?
I don't know. It just feels weird.

 

[Skills]

Hey guys, I had posted a question a few days ago: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/how-to-pass-the-age-old-shit-test.26410/#post-151120
I'm assuming its ok to create another post since this was with a different girl and the interaction was completely different. If this is not OK just LMK, in future I won't create multiple posts.

Anyway, today I met a super cute 20 y.o chic and again the same thing happened (Facepalm)

tl;dr; Conversation went on for nearly 20-25 mins with lot of attraction but still she shut me down due to age difference. I applied every tip you guys had suggested but still it didn't go any further. Do you guys think age is really that HUGE girls make it out to be? I don't have a lot of reference experience with this, I had only one 20 y.o. in the past.

Long version: (Throughout the conversation, there was deep eye-contact and she was smiling or laughing all the time)
She was sitting across me at Starbucks and I went up to her and this is how the conversation went (hope I've covered everything that happened in 20-25 mins):
Me: hey
She: *lifts her head to look at me*
Me: I like your eyebrows!
She: *Laughs very loudly* and says thanks *looking at me with doe eyes*
Me: *Laughing along..* your reaction was funny
She: Why? *Still laughing*
Me: You were so surprised and you weren't expecting that.. I know you weren't expecting but your reaction.. haha
Me: Anyway, how do you grow them? (In reference to her eye-brows)
She: *didn't know what to respond* what do you mean?
Me: I mean, do you water them daily?
She: Ya, I water them and give them food *still laughing*
Me: *with a serious face* what about fertilizer?
She: oh! Ya of course.. fertilizer too. You?
Me: Nah.. I don't put fertilizer but sometimes..
She: *still laughing*
Me: Are you from here? Do you speak English?
She: Yes. Why?
Me: I thought you were either Latin American or from the Middle East.
She: Ya, I have middle-eastern roots
Me: I guessed it from your defined eyebrows. I have traveled a bit in the middle-east and everyone have those dark defined eyebrows.
She: Ya, true.
Me: So, what are you doing?
She: *she just doesn't stop smiling* What do you mean?
She: Oh, I'm a student.
Me: What are you studying?
She: Mid-wifery.
Me: *surprised* Whaat? I didn't know something like that existed. I know mid-wives but didn't know you study for a long time for that.
She: Gave a long explanation about that...how its popular in Europe and she loves that and how long the course is etc etc
Me: Surprising! Why didn't you instead become a doctor, if you had to study 4 years?
She: No, I don't like to do surgery
Me: But I think this is still stressful
She: Ya, I like challenges
Me: That's good. But, if you were a doctor you would have made a lot of money
She: Ya, but I always wanted to just do something with women and medicine but I didn't want to become a gyno or obstetrician.
Me: I told her about how I recently read about the huge salaries doctors make etc
She: Ya and she gave a long list of specialities which makes a lot of money
Me: I wonder how they enjoy all that money? Do they even have time for that?
She: Ya, I agree but that's how a doctor's life is.
Me: So, you'll be an expert in delivering kids and fixing pregnant women *Tried to spike it a bit since it was starting to get boring*
She: *laughs loudly*
Me: My engineer jargon..haha
She: What kind of engineer?
Me: I studied engineering but I'm an analyst. Doing a bit of project management. I deliver too but projects..
She: Oh ok
Me: So, anyway, I need to go.. we should catch-up another time (Old habits die hard. I'm guilty of not seeding the date since I have got so used to using this phrase that it came out naturally)
She: How old are you?
Me: 18
She: *laughs loudly* Nooo
Me: actually 19
She: No, really tell me
Me: What do you think? Take a guess
She: 28?
Me: Close.. 29.
She: I'm 20 *with an unamused face*
Me: Really? You sound very thoughtful and mature for your age.
She: Thanks.
Me: I mean you look 20 and have this playful energy but you're not someone who can't understand things.
She: *laughs again*
Me: Ya, so lets meet again
She: No, that's a lot of age difference.
Me: *acting surprised* Oh, this is interesting. Why do you think that matters?
She: I don't know, I always have thought not to go beyond 23.
Me: We'll meet and we never know what you'd like
She: No, that's something that I can't change
Me: Well, just out of curiosity and you don't have to go out with me. But why is that? Are you conscious that I'd have a lot more life experience?
She: Hmm.. I want to grow and experience life with someone.
Me: If someone is already experienced, isn't it a bonus and easy for you to just learn quickly?
She: Ya, someone like a brother but not father *there was a sexual undertone in what she said*
Me: *There were 3 guys sitting next to her and listening to all of our conversation. So, I did not want to say, "Like a Daddy you mean?" but instead laughed and said "Father?", something comes to my mind but I don't think this is the place to say that.
She: Anyway, nice meeting you
Me: Same, bye!

I more or less used everything that you guys had suggested
@Rakehell @J Wick @Skills @Will_V @moom @Chase @Teevster @StrayDog @Musicman

Are girls really that conscious of age-difference? Could I have done anything differently?

again age should not be a problem specially at 29 all the way up to even 38 or even more, i wonder if your fundamentals are there...

she: how old are you?

me: 69, why don't you take a guess?

her: 38

me: omg you are good with this age stuff you must be a psychic

her: i am good at this stuff

me: i am actually 37

^play around with age, the age is rare to come up i wonder if your fundaments ( modern style, modern beard, modern haircut, well fitted clothes) are there....

another one that works and shows pre-preselection

i dated couple of girls younger than me, now that i remember she was 18 i dated couple of older girls all the way to 40 and you know what was the difference, pretty much nothing to me, what is important is not the age, age is just a number on a drivers liscense what is important is vibe, chemestry and sexual connection...

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

@Railer dude! You can explore why she thinks it feels weird and get her to explain, the more information you have the better you can handle the objection. Alternatively tease her for it and point out how silly it is "it feels weird to be attracted to someone older? / Age is just a number, I like to meet girls I have a connection with and not some arbitrary number" you can mention how it's a social construct.

If you come across experienced, mature and like an authority on it she could fall into your frame and if not you've got her to qualify to you. You may not win the set but you'll look cool in defeat. You've now implied you don't feel you connect so it's your decision not hers

 

[Rakehell]

@Shawn I haven’t been much older than a girl in seduction’s, but have been the one who was much younger. So I can’t say with certainty whether your age is actually being the deciding factor here.

To me it seems like you’re mismanaging the interaction at some point, and the age thing is her way of searching for something to disqualify you on to get away.

(This is speculation but I was always taught that being older than a girl is an advantage.)

Nonetheless since it seems like age is becoming a reoccurring thing, if I were you,

I’d ask HER age first so that she feels as though SHE has to qualify (kind of like how when she asks it makes you feel as though you have to lie and it throws you off).

One of the first thing’s I do is ask a girl her age when approaching, not only because i’m terrible at estimating age lol.

But it also makes her qualify to me with her answer, it’s a good screening tool and it shows sexual interest in a lowkey way.

Although if it isn’t your age like I suspect, and it is actually something else that you’re doing wrong, asking her age first will only be taking away some ammunition for her to use to disqualify you.

 

[Calibration]

You could have done a lot of stuff differently, you didn't ask her out on a high note, you killed the conversation then tried to escape by a date invite. The date invite lacked qualification and direction it was very vague.
"I've got to go but you seem cool, we should grab some drinks sometime" would have been smoother but it could have been timed better.

of all the things you said, I think this was where I went wrong. I totally missed qualification. Also, asking out at the wrong time.
Btw, looking back I know why I rushed it in the end. All along, she was sitting and I was standing in front of her and talking. It got a bit awkward when people were walking around me. So, I wanted to exit. At some point I should've sat with her but I didn't know if she was sold on me yet to sit. Sometimes, if she's not interested and I sit, she'd say "oh, I have to continue studying" and that becomes a flat out rejection.