Passive (e.g. Screening) vs. Active Game

[KJ Francis]

But he has game

This is what I always wanted him to talk about (gone too soon, rip spike)... Though he only ever said dress to her fantasy.

He is dealing with 90 percent geeens

All the fashion and logistical optimizing is impressive.

any gamer would love to do greens if possible is on easy mode upfront.

Sure, but what do you do when a girl happens to turn the corner in the pharmacy and isn't making eye contact? Or her attention isn't on you at the bar. This is the core skill.

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The thing Spike and I agreed on was he viewed traffic light as Chase concept of baseline "fascination" interest and I viewed it as a compliance indicator that can change.

So it seems he is saying just leave all the women on the table who I was calling yellows that may have a spike-green fascination but are not green level compliance where she is actively chasing hard from first sight.

 

[KJ Francis]

that have girls throwing themselves at you, in no way does that imply that Im saying thats ALL you should do and you do not need any other game. That would be a ridiculous statement.

Levo you were a bootcamp coach I was not thinking what you are talking about

QUARTERBACK OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM. Sure hes in shape and attractive but hes also a leader of men

It is not about the dhv. Non status example of same concept - average dude only games the girls who smile at him and say hi. Ignores those at her locker or sitting on a bench.

 

[Levo]

so wait, do you hate waffles or not?

I'm American, so anything that gets me more syrup per bite is a winner in my book.

 

[Skills]

This is what I always wanted him to talk about (gone too soon, rip spike)... Though he only ever said dress to her fantasy.



All the fashion and logistical optimizing is impressive.

Sure, but what do you do when a girl happens to turn the corner in the pharmacy and isn't making eye contact? Or her attention isn't on you at the bar. This is the core skill.

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The thing Spike and I agreed on was he viewed traffic light as Chase concept of baseline "fascination" interest and I viewed it as a compliance indicator that can change.

So it seems he is saying just leave all the women on the table who I was calling yellows that may have a spike-green fascination but are not green level compliance where she is actively chasing hard from first sight.

that shit is irrelevant, who cares, again i was able to do that style of game pre tinder, is fine, so most of the community specially in nextasf....I already explain how it works in the post, screening game has been bastardized.... I don't think that type of game can be run consistently now a days... But plenty of people were getting laid the same of more than other games....

sleazy, 60yoc, coby, wm,, gll, me... i can name drop a bunch of people.... I don't think is possible now a days, but if it was possible i would do it again... you keep going on and on about this, when that is what you do online... which is ironic...

The traffic light system has been bastardized as well by people that don't do screening game correctly or people putting it down that did not do that type of game....... and by trolls that made it look bad...


As i said in my post fallacy of seduction success:

- people that don't do humor or got laid using humor and hanging out with people that are not good using humor in seduction... you can;t get laid with humor...

- puas that never hung out with competent naturals saying natural suck

- naturals that never hung out with a competent pua saying pua suck

- people that are not proficient at screening making post and putting down screening game, cause they never hung out with a competent screeners...

- screeners trolling puas (lotario) cause he does not understand what puas do....

^ i seen in the community for ever..... this is what i know...

- spike as of now is getting laid on easy mode, more than most of the guys in the forum... is a fact, with young, hot, teens... He is no self aware of how he come across, is extremely super annoying with the way he goes into arguments (though i know exactly someone like him, everyone know who he is, which is ironic as well) and he likes to troll... and would take quotes, or post out of context to make points....(but again i know so many puas like that)

But anyways, dude is not here to defend himself... and he is banned...

Socializing - The fallacy of seduction success....

So I always write a blog and/or a post, based on an observation, my life, the field or something going on... So the sequence is, i usually make a post then get feedback then usually turn it into a youtube video..... Recently i made a goal of try to do a youtube a week, but it has been 2 weeks...

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[StrayDog]

I'm American, so anything that gets me more syrup per bite is a winner in my book.

 

[Levo]

that shit is irrelevant, who cares, again i was able to do that style of game pre tinder, is fine, so most of the community specially in nextasf....I already explain how it works in the post, screening game has been bastardized.... I don't think that type of game can be run consistently now a days... But plenty of people were getting laid the same of more than other games....

Which post? I'm curious exactly what you mean and why you think it wont work because of tinder?

When I hear screening game I'm imagining the guys who go around and just open everyone with Hi and only talk to the girls that hook immediately and dont put any effort into the difficult sets? Unless your looks are great it wont work that well unless youre in a really crowded place just because of numbers.

The places I go I'd say over half of better quality women have sworn off tinder, they all have stories about guys with no game being creeps and have gone back to preferring social circle.

 

[Skills]

Which post? I'm curious exactly what you mean and why you think it wont work because of tinder?

When I hear screening game I'm imagining the guys who go around and just open everyone with Hi and only talk to the girls that hook immediately and dont put any effort into the difficult sets? Unless your looks are great it wont work that well unless youre in a really crowded place just because of numbers.

The places I go I'd say over half of better quality women have sworn off tinder, they all have stories about guys with no game being creeps and have gone back to preferring social circle.

here levo i go in detail how it works:

Screening game has been high jacked and bastardized

Guys a bit of rambling cause i am just disgusted and fuming (again why i avoid pick up content) context.- I have not watched pua content for a while, i don't know somewhere along the line i lost interest, i would say the last 5 years, got repetitive and water down and shifted to more of those...

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[Teevster]

- puas that never hung out with competent naturals saying natural suck

Most "naturals" suck compared to a trained PUA. I still have not met a single natural I'd consider "good".

-Teevster

 

[Bismarck]

Most "naturals" suck compared to a trained PUA. I still have not met a single natural I'd consider "good".

-Teevster

I dunno man, this may be a case of sample bias.

I've met some pretty epic naturals.

 

[Teevster]

I dunno man, this may be a case of sample bias.

I've met some pretty epic naturals.

I'd love to meet them. Where can I find tem? They surely do not exist in clubs lol.

I have met men who are decent - some even good with women, but nothing beyond that.

-Teevster

 

[POB]

I've met some pretty epic naturals.

Me too...one of my former wings was like that.
He just did things that worked without realizing why they worked.
One time I tried to replicate his stuff and crashed bad.
It was infuriating lol

 

[Skills]

Most "naturals" suck compared to a trained PUA. I still have not met a single natural I'd consider "good".

-Teevster

I kind of agree and disagree...

I agree that the game is meh but they still get results...

pua do more of the right things but the results at times are not there.....

so dick in pussy= they both achieve it...

The way naturals achieve it is = meh....

also i would agree naturals is a dying breed, the new gen z of naturals suck, but the new gen of puas suck too.... compare to the natural and puas pre gen z....

example primo his game to me is meh, but his results impressive.... samples: he had a girl tell me he was short and i was more her type due to my height.... Primo bang her took her to swing club and had bunch of 3 somes with that girl.... Imho she was reddish...

primo had a girl that was STRAIGHT not bie.... she ask for progression "i can't give you progression cause for me to have a girlfriend she has to like other girls and do 3 somes with me"

^ him and that girl would go to a club, she would pick up girls, he sit back and relax= for me that game is meh, she is the one gaming = results constantly getting 3 somes without effort....

so yes, now a days i think the natural is a dying breed, but pua is dying breed.... who is the most impressive community guys right now maybe spike and his game is meh and james d but compare to what we did back at the same age we smoke them not even close...

i just think is not a hook up culture...that is my take before anyone gets the panties in a bunch...

i just think everyone is doing digital (apps, insta and the likes) my take...

Cause again i don't see either naturals or puas at the club doing consistent stuff now a days... Without traveling and moving to the middle of nowhere and other advantages..

 

[POB]

I kind of agree and disagree...

I agree that the game is meh but they still get results...

pua do more of the right things but the results at times are not there.....

so dick in pussy= they both achieve it...

The way naturals achieve it is = meh....

also i would agree naturals is a dying breed, the new gen z of naturals suck, but the new gen of puas suck too.... compare to the natural and puas pre gen z....

example primo his game to me is meh, but his results impressive.... samples: he had a girl tell me he was short and i was more her type due to my height.... Primo bang her took her to swing club and had bunch of 3 somes with that girl.... Imho she was reddish...

primo had a girl that was STRAIGHT not bie.... she ask for progression "i can't give you progression cause for me to have a girlfriend she has to like other girls and do 3 somes with me"

^ him and that girl would go to a club, she would pick up girls, he sit back and relax= for me that game is meh, she is the one gaming = results constantly getting 3 somes without effort....

so yes, now a days i think the natural is a dying breed, but pua is dying breed.... who is the most impressive community guys right now maybe spike and his game is meh and james d but compare to what we did back at the same age we smoke them not even close...

i just think is not a hook up culture...that is my take before anyone gets the panties in a bunch...

i just think everyone is doing digital (apps, insta and the likes) my take...

Cause again i don't see either naturals or puas at the club doing consistent stuff now a days... Without traveling and moving to the middle of nowhere and other advantages..

Different times.
Crazy stuff I saw back then is almost impossible right now.
Not because of skill level, but because it's not the same enviroment.

 

[Skills]

Different times.
Crazy stuff I saw back then is almost impossible right now.
Not because of skill level, but because it's not the same enviroment.

correct...

 

[Bismarck]

#MeToo changed shit. But also the apps.

 

[KJ Francis]

I don't see the controversy... Screening game is right in the name saying it's about identifying a ready and willing buyer and involves a lot of discarding.

It was never about attacking Spike or his skill level. It was a theoretical discussion on what constitutes advanced, lead generation and marketing vs. sales, etc.

If a girl approaches with sexual interest, you quickly verbalize sexual intent, and she is ready to isolate... You have skipped steps, which is great! It simply says nothing of your ability to approach a neutral girl, set sexual frames, get her onboard through flirting and comfort, etc. You're practically starting at the bounce to C3.

His philosophy was to be so hot you don't have to deal with it. I simply wanted to discuss the rest of the art of seduction with him, especially once I found out he is well versed in it all. But our dearly departed Spike simply would not...

God rest his soul.

 

[Skills]

I don't see the controversy... Screening game is right in the name saying it's about identifying a ready and willing buyer and involves a lot of discarding.

Screening is not wasting too much time on girls that are not a sure lay on that night, but getting her info. and continuing another time... you are reframing with words like "discarding"

"How does a screener game looks like:

1.- presentation.- The typical screener is a dude that is in shape, dress somewhat cool for his type of demographic, cool haircut, maybe a tatoo or 2, facial hair.... In other word he looks cool and above average and typically dress to a particular niche audience. The ones online will get professional pics (dude, bd, etc..), the other ones will post shirtless pics (gll, therevelifestyledesign etc..)

2.- pre-approach.- The majority either hoover, mingle, throw some type of approach invites(eye contact is big with some screeners, i personally don't do eye contact), they are good at reading body language and dtfness due to experience or analyze the group/social dynamic (what is her deal, who is she with etc...). or just put himself in a situation were he can have a convo or get open. The online ones, look for pics of girls that are their type and mass spam them)

3.- Open.- Some will just flat out approach an open even without approach invites. Others will approach like they just "ups happen to be there" my style, post some type of feel of receptiveness.. Most openers are direct, some are situational, in the open there will be some type OF ESCALATION, for example milking the intro, a touch, something... Physicality is extremely important for screeners...

4.- fluff.- The goal of the screener is to display his attractive personality during the interaction(aka the so call game), but the main focus is on escalation and moving things forwards toward SEX (even if the goal is not sex on the same day, but physicality is extremely important for the screener above everything else)

5.- unlike the ridiculous bs being spit out in sedfast lately, if she ain't dtf, does not mean is over. The screener will just get the number and CONT. the interaction some other time via text/facebook/phone, later the same night, second meet, text etc... But he will not devote tremendous amount of time if the girl is not a go, he rathers spend that time on other women, and game that women either later(if somewhat receptive, invested) or not at all (if based on experience he knows there is nothing there). I will emphasize that the goal if is not sex is a very solid interaction, most of screeners gauge interaction mainly by the receptiveness of physicality and investment on the girl."

^ i already explain this made a video :

It was never about attacking Spike or his skill level. It was a theoretical discussion on what constitutes advanced, lead generation and marketing vs. sales, etc.

If a girl approaches with sexual interest, you quickly verbalize sexual intent, and she is ready to isolate... You have skipped steps, which is great! It simply says nothing of your ability to approach a neutral girl, set sexual frames, get her onboard through flirting and comfort, etc. You're practically starting at the bounce to C3.

^ again if you don't need to who cares, as i told you before the problem I had it was the way he explain "Look max" work on fundies was not practical and repetitive... and you keep baiting him to keep repeating himself... i explain to you his game already in detail..

His philosophy was to be so hot you don't have to deal with it. I simply wanted to discuss the rest of the art of seduction with him, especially once I found out he is well versed in it all. But our dearly departed Spike simply would not...

God rest his soul.

^ his philosophy was to be desirable with his target niche, based on venue selection, lifestyle selection, fashion selection etc....

^ most seducers try do the same..... here is by chase book:

The 4 Categories of Attractiveness Fundamentals

We've got a lot of guys on here nowadays who have not read my book (where I introduced the concept of "attractiveness fundamentals" in 2011), gone through One Date, or watch my Fantastic Fundamentals series on GirlsChase.TV. Girls Chase alums who have gone through the book or One Date are very...

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^ he was just repeating this over and over, which got tiring....

 

[KJ Francis]

discarding

ok so all the fundamentals and target optimizing stuff is applicable to all game. my understanding of screening game is 100% from 60YOC. his book is like 90% yelling at you to not be a pussy. it's awesome. but it is designed for high volume/numbers game environments where you are screening/sifting/discarding/sorting through microescalation and gauging receptiveness vs. moving on. it is right there in the infographic on his final page titled Automatic Seduction. if she does not react well to the sexual tension, you leave, say "pleasure meeting you", and tell yourself "hey, you can't win them all".

it is based on escalate and see:
A1 - escalate the vibe instantly with seductive handclasp milking tension
A2 - escalation itself is attractive as the whole DHV for F2M interest
A3 - escalate the screening process through adding tension
step 4 is titled "escalate"... hand caressing, kiss her, direct statement of intent...

playing chess in the park:
MM - goal is to sit down and calibrate to any opponent to play the highest odds replicable solid game
60 - goal is to scout the park for an opponent willing to let you win.

again from Teevster intro to compliance based game thread:
"making a girl who is not attracted to you, actually be willing to have sex with you"
vs.
"basically sealing the deal with women who are already attracted to you"

so yes that is what a screen does... it discards things... some things pass through and others don't depending on the size of the holes in the screen. "with women who are" implies applying a criteria to the spreadsheet column to only show certain rows.

I was very surprised when @Levo wrote a big response. Yes I was co-opting the phrase "the dream" to say yes actually in fact there are guys out there who consider it the dream to not need to bother with solid game on initially neutral girls. and obviously yes it would be "ridiculous" to assume a bootcamp coach who starting with MM is only concerned with signing ready buyers and has no interest in applying a skill set.

but spike actually did say if there are multiple hot girls of his type in the bar and some have no interest, but others do, it really did not matter to him and the end result is the same (fungible commodity). this is the difference in opinion. he has optimized enough to have a big enough pool to maybe not care, but you are dead in the water when you actually sit down to play chess "with a woman of particular quality" as mystery puts it.

skeptical women are outside of the scope of the game plan.

and sixty would actually approach or at least ping in the vicinity radius... the hardcore upfront looksmax game screens/filters/discards even more by only engaging with the girls who are already firmly in the chasing position from first sight.

 

[KJ Francis]

the whole discussion is not really for you guys who have a complete mental model... it is for the kids who are observing who are not aware that indirect game is more than just using a situational opener. it is hard to put yourself back in the shoes of a guy whose mind is expanding to the possibilities of things that are outside his reality. believe me I love all the gunwitch mirror neuron stuff. but these guys should not be thinking that if she is not receptive he needs to tweak his key chain. there is much more to consider when you are trying to get your actual target. maybe you need to actually think a bit about SAC, or M3 sequencing, group theory, qualification, or comfort building to build the trust to get her on board with your sexual frame.

 

[James D]

who is the most impressive community guys right now maybe spike and his game is meh and james d

I don't get it. What do you mean?