Forum Feedback Placing Limits on Newbies

[average_daygamer]

This is just a joke at this point. If after the posts on this thread people still think this all fine, then great.

I just know this is not the place for me anymore.

Let @Chase @Skills and the other elders decide. I have expressed what I wanted to. Seen that many others also have felt the same. Now its upto them. ‍♂

I could instead go watch reality tv if I wanted this kind of drama and people threatening physical violence.

Reminds me of the red pill guys all over YT getting butthurt and challenging each other to a fight.

I see we have reached the same point on this forum.

You're a joke. You think you are so tough and "stoic".

Idiot.

 

[KnownUniverse]

This is just a joke at this point. If after the posts on this thread people still think this all fine, then great.

I just know this is not the place for me anymore.

they are tests on your path to stoicsm.

 

[James D]

Guy has 5 dates in 2 weeks and you call that low momentum?

That's TOTALLY low momentum.

Should have been 5 lays in 2 weeks.

Hahaha jk jk.

That's decent!

Actually I'm in some kind of low momentum at the moment.

Not sure what it is. Same thing happened last year around this time.

Oh well, it happens... gotta keep kicking!

5 dates in two weeks is awesome, have a good time!!

 

[Chase]

@average_daygamer has followed the path of the usual zero self-awareness autism poster death spiral, pissing off everyone while claiming everyone else is the problem. Henceforth, he has been banned.

@HeartOfChaos and @KnownUniverse are considered to be on forum probation. Both were getting sucked into @average_daygamer's autism event horizon, but perhaps without him on here they will improve. I will say to both men though: keep your posts focused on action and improvement, and avoid the venting, and avoid any arguing with senior members.

If anyone feels these two or others are bringing the vibe of the forum down, please report them and the mods will take a look.


CONTENT LIMITATIONS

Additionally, I have reduced the number of posts Rookies and Space Monkeys can make per day from 8 per user down to 6 per user. I don't want to discourage any guys who are new and excited by going lower than 6, but hopefully if any are spamming the boards with stuff this will keep a cap on it until the mods can deal with them.


META OUTLOOK

I would say that from the 30,000-foot view, what it looks like to me happened was:

1. We let @average_daygamer hang around and autism-post for too long
2. He attracted other guys who are struggling, such as @HeartOfChaos and @KnownUniverse, into his sphere of frustration
3. These guys then all began to reinforce and amplify each other's frustration, with @average_daygamer acting as ringleader

Usually when there is a "forum vibe slump", it is due to this phenomenon (a ringleader who then attracts a band of followers/amplifiers). The one guy by himself usually is annoying but manageable, but once he starts assembling his band of merry men he starts becoming much more destructive and having an increasing amount of sway on the overall 'feel' of the place.

Other times this happened were e.g. when @Indian Race Troll (IRT) had his merry band of sock puppets but also other minority men who had struggles and gravitated to his "brown guy struggling" posts; or when @DrexelScott went on his anti-monogamy campaign and attracted others on the forum antagonistic to monogamy who were joining in and supporting him in yelling at anyone who posted about relationship problems that "monogamy doesn't work; everyone knows this; you have to do polyamorous open relationships -- it is the only way!" (Drexel was a rare case where I was actually able to talk to the ringleader and get him to cool it... usually ringleaders just get all in and won't back down)

@Velasco is a more recent example with his red-light-green-light stuff circa 2020 (he had a small following back then amplifying him... who was his right-hand man, Big Papa or Big Daddy? We've got a few guys here with similar names; I don't want to put the wrong guy on blast), and if we let him stay long enough on his other stint this year he probably would've had a band of "archetype-maxxing" adherents amplifying him before long.

Anyway, it is always a weird thing when you get these growths within an existing forum, where some guy takes a contrarian, antagonistic position then starts building allies.

It is a bit interesting from a sociological perspective.

But it never actually stops happening, so every now and then you just need to do some clean-up to get out the growths that are taking over the place in a negative way.

Chase

 

[Will_V]

Yeah, looked to me like @average_daygamer was the main issue. He's got one of those personalities that can't look at itself properly and self-evaluate. Everything he said sounded rational at first glance but when you took a closer look was laced with implicit negative assumptions and fears about himself, girls, and people in general. To his credit he seemed to be soldiering on in the field but at some point you gotta think about the forum as a whole.

Totally agree with all the guys saying this place has gotten gloomy lately, I started feeling like some kind of unpaid therapist.

To my mind the main issue, which I don't know how to solve, is that the forum attracts a lot of guys who think of seduction as some kind of quick-fix for not having any girls in their lives, like some kind of dropshipping operation where you supposedly don't have to actually know anything about how to run a business, you can just spam some bs low effort ads and still get rich. This is nonsense. The principles are always the same and don't change, there are no shortcuts. Either you are following the principles and succeeding, or you are not following them and failing. And self evaluation is probably the most essential ingredient if you want to learn something on your own, without teachers sitting there correcting everything and telling you exactly what to do.

On the other hand there are no doubt numerous guys who don't really post, who read all the useful stuff, apply it, and get the results they want. That's who I was for a long time.

I can't really think of any way to segment things in a way that wouldn't likely ruin the forum. It's clear that there are lots of different guys at completely different levels of knowledge and perspective, and sometimes it's confusing and you spend a lot of effort before realizing exactly where someone is at. But if you start trying to organize everything the place would probably get a lot more bureaucratic and unwelcoming.

I don't think there's a solution for this, sometimes you just have to take the good with the bad and keep the broom handy.

 

[Skills]

That's TOTALLY low momentum.

Should have been 5 lays in 2 weeks.

Hahaha jk jk.

That's decent!

Actually I'm in some kind of low momentum at the moment.

Not sure what it is. Same thing happened last year around this time.

Oh well, it happens... gotta keep kicking!

5 dates in two weeks is awesome, have a good time!!

Season of the year... And recession...

 

[Skills]

Again my take there are forum rules... If people are violating the warnings and breaking rules or true trolls banned them ..

If people are in low momentum and sarging and frustrated and venting or post heart break... Understand situation, ignore them or make your own poss to help people in the similar situation....

The main problem with some posters is not low momentum per se but they are askholes, asking same shit in 50 different ways and not following advice...

 

[AspiringStoic]

To my mind the main issue, which I don't know how to solve, is that the forum attracts a lot of guys who think of seduction as some kind of quick-fix for not having any girls in their lives, like some kind of dropshipping operation where you supposedly don't have to actually know anything about how to run a business,

You nailed it here.

I remember one of your posts about how pickup is advanced social skills. And I 100 percent agree with it.

Unfortunately, many people are led to believe that pickup or cold approach is some cheat code so that they can grab the prize without having even basic social skills.

With average daygamer that was definitely the case. Inititally I was really inspired by him doing what he can to take action whenever possible and posting about it and I commented several times on his threads because I wanted him to get out of that funk.

But slowly you realize that the person is completely socially unaware. His field reports involved girls constantly calling him creep, weirdo, him getting in trouble with security, getting into fights, being banned from venues.

I am sorry that is a clear sign that someone lacks basic social skills. I even posted asking if he has friends or women friends and it turned out he had none. Suggestions to befriend girls and try to relate to women socially were ignored.

Instead he would post another 5 reports of how "brutal" it was out there and get on threads talking about all kinds of doom and gloom.

And on top of that, he wanted to convince everyone else that his experience was the reality. Refused to accept that it was his behavior, his inner beliefs that was causing his results.

And his obssession with somehow ending up approaching underage girls. Every three messages would lead there. After a while its too much.
I really think he needs therapy or just normal socialization to first get his social skills to basic normal levels before attempting to apply them in a scenario like cold approach which is playing on super hard mode.

 

[alexlaguma]

And his obssession with somehow ending up approaching underage girls.

yeh that shit was weird. Not the type of guy you'd want to be associated with IRL

 

[Atlas IV]

I don't think there's a solution for this, sometimes you just have to take the good with the bad and keep the broom handy.

Pretty much. And find ways to expand the funnel of new talent.

Seems like there were always trolls and low quality posters in the forum. But there were also some really good guys who came in and contributed great stuff, even though some of them only stayed briefly (guys like @Bloom for example).

For whatever reason, those sorts of guys just aren't coming across the forum anymore.
Maybe it's a generational thing, and forums like this just aren't so popular as they used to be.

 

[Chase]

For whatever reason, those sorts of guys just aren't coming across the forum anymore.
Maybe it's a generational thing, and forums like this just aren't so popular as they used to be.

I realize it can seem like that... but running fora for 15 years now, and having participated on other fora for years before that:

Skill among forum posters is a pyramid.

You've got a ton of low-skilled guys at the base.

Then you get some guys with a bit of skill, but fewer of them.

Then you get some guys who get laid somewhat and know some stuff, but these guys are less than the levels below them.

Then you get some guys who have a system and are decently skilled with girls, but fewer.

Then you get the guys who are at the master seducer level. These guys are fairly rare.

The guys who stay around and post at the elite levels usually come up through the forum, and you will not see them graduating into master seducers until they've been around for 4+ years.

Just over the past two years, we've had:

• @James D break through into pulling off lots of crazy (often public sex) lays
• @alleniverson level up to the point of pulling a 50-lay year last year (2024)
• @D. Gately hit his stride and share a lot of creative, innovative stuff

We also have some strong up-and-comers who've joined just in the last 1-4 years, such as @alexlaguma, @JT Sunshine, @Proper, @Swati, and yourself, @Atlas IV (probably some other guys I missed here too -- too many to keep track of!).

We've also got older good guys 'reactivating' and getting onto the Boards; guys like @Levo, @0---, and @Ratata.

I would bet you we've got guys who just joined in 2025 who somewhere between 2027-2029 will start to stand out as guys really coming into their own, getting laid like crazy, coming up with their own innovative methods. Some others who joined this year who might not fully mature as players until sometime between 2030-2035 or longer. alleniverson had his big "takeoff" year 9 years after joining the forum... I have a coaching student right now who's been getting laid more and more and pulling off some tight game who joined the forum in something like the mid-2010s (forget what his forum handle is; I need to get him back on here).

Anyway... it's a bit of a lull right now, in terms of reports going up or insightful posts being made.

But we have the talent.

Would be better if we had EVEN MORE talent, most definitely!

I'm open to ideas about how to get more talented guys in here, too.

But just to keep in perspective and not get too gloomy... the guys at the top of the pyramid are always in short supply.

Personally, I'm generally happy with how this place is nurturing them right now (it's way better than it was 2016-2018 when the Indian race troll ruled the Boards and I and most of the other skilled guys just stayed away).

But "the enemy of great is good", so -- if anyone has ideas to Make Skilled Seducer (Even) Greater, I am all ears

 

[POB]

I realize it can seem like that... but running fora for 15 years now, and having participated on other fora for years before that:

Skill among forum posters is a pyramid.

You've got a ton of low-skilled guys at the base.

Then you get some guys with a bit of skill, but fewer of them.

Then you get some guys who get laid somewhat and know some stuff, but these guys are less than the levels below them.

Then you get some guys who have a system and are decently skilled with girls, but fewer.

Then you get the guys who are at the master seducer level. These guys are fairly rare.

The guys who stay around and post at the elite levels usually come up through the forum, and you will not see them graduating into master seducers until they've been around for 4+ years.

Just over the past two years, we've had:

• @James D break through into pulling off lots of crazy (often public sex) lays
• @alleniverson level up to the point of pulling a 50-lay year last year (2024)
• @D. Gately hit his stride and share a lot of creative, innovative stuff

We also have some strong up-and-comers who've joined just in the last 1-4 years, such as @alexlaguma, @JT Sunshine, @Proper, @Swati, and yourself, @Atlas IV (probably some other guys I missed here too -- too many to keep track of!).

We've also got older good guys 'reactivating' and getting onto the Boards; guys like @Levo, @0---, and @Ratata.

I would bet you we've got guys who just joined in 2025 who somewhere between 2027-2029 will start to stand out as guys really coming into their own, getting laid like crazy, coming up with their own innovative methods. Some others who joined this year who might not fully mature as players until sometime between 2030-2035 or longer. alleniverson had his big "takeoff" year 9 years after joining the forum... I have a coaching student right now who's been getting laid more and more and pulling off some tight game who joined the forum in something like the mid-2010s (forget what his forum handle is; I need to get him back on here).

Anyway... it's a bit of a lull right now, in terms of reports going up or insightful posts being made.

But we have the talent.

Would be better if we had EVEN MORE talent, most definitely!

I'm open to ideas about how to get more talented guys in here, too.

But just to keep in perspective and not get too gloomy... the guys at the top of the pyramid are always in short supply.

Personally, I'm generally happy with how this place is nurturing them right now (it's way better than it was 2016-2018 when the Indian race troll ruled the Boards and I and most of the other skilled guys just stayed away).

But "the enemy of great is good", so -- if anyone has ideas to Make Skilled Seducer (Even) Greater, I am all ears

There's also the aforementioned lack of posting from older more experienced guys (myself included).
Sometimes we see something we can contribute a lot to, but we just don't have the time to write a concise and insightful post about it.

 

[alexlaguma]

I realize it can seem like that... but running fora for 15 years now, and having participated on other fora for years before that:

Skill among forum posters is a pyramid.

You've got a ton of low-skilled guys at the base.

Then you get some guys with a bit of skill, but fewer of them.

Then you get some guys who get laid somewhat and know some stuff, but these guys are less than the levels below them.

Then you get some guys who have a system and are decently skilled with girls, but fewer.

Then you get the guys who are at the master seducer level. These guys are fairly rare.

The guys who stay around and post at the elite levels usually come up through the forum, and you will not see them graduating into master seducers until they've been around for 4+ years.

Just over the past two years, we've had:

• @James D break through into pulling off lots of crazy (often public sex) lays
• @alleniverson level up to the point of pulling a 50-lay year last year (2024)
• @D. Gately hit his stride and share a lot of creative, innovative stuff

We also have some strong up-and-comers who've joined just in the last 1-4 years, such as @alexlaguma, @JT Sunshine, @Proper, @Swati, and yourself, @Atlas IV (probably some other guys I missed here too -- too many to keep track of!).

We've also got older good guys 'reactivating' and getting onto the Boards; guys like @Levo, @0---, and @Ratata.

I would bet you we've got guys who just joined in 2025 who somewhere between 2027-2029 will start to stand out as guys really coming into their own, getting laid like crazy, coming up with their own innovative methods. Some others who joined this year who might not fully mature as players until sometime between 2030-2035 or longer. alleniverson had his big "takeoff" year 9 years after joining the forum... I have a coaching student right now who's been getting laid more and more and pulling off some tight game who joined the forum in something like the mid-2010s (forget what his forum handle is; I need to get him back on here).

Anyway... it's a bit of a lull right now, in terms of reports going up or insightful posts being made.

But we have the talent.

Would be better if we had EVEN MORE talent, most definitely!

I'm open to ideas about how to get more talented guys in here, too.

But just to keep in perspective and not get too gloomy... the guys at the top of the pyramid are always in short supply.

Personally, I'm generally happy with how this place is nurturing them right now (it's way better than it was 2016-2018 when the Indian race troll ruled the Boards and I and most of the other skilled guys just stayed away).

But "the enemy of great is good", so -- if anyone has ideas to Make Skilled Seducer (Even) Greater, I am all ears

In the same way we have a seducer of the month, could we do something like new post of the month? (perhaps there is a snappier name for it).

When I first joined what I found really useful was people like @DoWhatWorks were throwing up insightful posts on the regular. We see a bit less of that now.

Maybe if we celebrated the best new post each month, that would encourage people to write up what is working for them currently? It could be a LR or a guide to a certain aspect of game.

Seducer of the month generally tends to go to one of the top guys based on their historical contributions (and rightly so) but if we celebrated the best new post it would encourage everyone (regardless of rank) to contribute 'new' stuff

 

[AspiringStoic]

In the same way we have a seducer of the month, could we do something like new post of the month? (perhaps there is a snappier name for it).

When I first joined what I found really useful was people like @DoWhatWorks were throwing up insightful posts on the regular. We see a bit less of that now.

Maybe if we celebrated the best new post each month, that would encourage people to write up what is working for them currently? It could be a LR or a guide to a certain aspect of game.

Seducer of the month generally tends to go to one of the top guys based on their historical contributions (and rightly so) but if we celebrated the best new post it would encourage everyone (regardless of rank) to contribute 'new' stuff

I absolutely love this idea and second it!!!

 

[Chase]

In the same way we have a seducer of the month, could we do something like new post of the month? (perhaps there is a snappier name for it).

When I first joined what I found really useful was people like @DoWhatWorks were throwing up insightful posts on the regular. We see a bit less of that now.

Maybe if we celebrated the best new post each month, that would encourage people to write up what is working for them currently? It could be a LR or a guide to a certain aspect of game.

Seducer of the month generally tends to go to one of the top guys based on their historical contributions (and rightly so) but if we celebrated the best new post it would encourage everyone (regardless of rank) to contribute 'new' stuff

That's a great idea, @alexlaguma.

We can sticky posts, so can very easily do this.

I'll get something up for it right now.

-C

 

[JT Sunshine]

FWIW I think there is endless value in this forum, even if the past few weeks have been muddied by some overly negative posts. The articles are awesome, but there is nothing like getting personalized feedback from guys who are way more experienced than you. If we can weed out people that are taking that value and doing nothing with it, while contributing none of their own - even better. I bet with a certain someone gone things will quiet down, in a good way.

Love that idea @alexlaguma - I bet there are a lot of guys on here that could throw up some really great insight on certain aspects of game that others of us have not even thought of!

 

[KnownUniverse]

Yeah, looked to me like @average_daygamer was the main issue. He's got one of those personalities that can't look at itself properly and self-evaluate. Everything he said sounded rational at first glance but when you took a closer look was laced with implicit negative assumptions and fears about himself, girls, and people in general. To his credit he seemed to be soldiering on in the field but at some point you gotta think about the forum as a whole.

His opener suggestion ("can i give you a compliment") helped me a lot. it's gold for guys with bad approach anxiety in certain situations. I've been using it very frequently. Who knows what other gold he could've shared. Plus as you mentioned, he was taking lots of action and sharing the experience. I find that very valuable. More valuable than guys who have no experiences to share.

 

[Skills]

His opener suggestion ("can i give you a compliment") helped me a lot. it's gold for guys with bad approach anxiety in certain situations. I've been using it very frequently. Who knows what other gold he could've shared. Plus as you mentioned, he was taking lots of action and sharing the experience. I find that very valuable. More valuable than guys who have no experiences to share.

Can i give you a compliment is asking for permission.. it is not optimal.. just give the compliment on something no physical like style...

 

[KnownUniverse]

Can i give you a compliment is asking for permission.. it is not optional.. just give the compliment on inpn physical like style...

In venues its a good way to get girls to stop and engage. If a chick is zooming past in a crowded bar and you give her a compliment she says thanks and keeps walking (if she stops at all). You rewarded her for nothing. By asking before hand she has to stop and engage to be rewarded so you can get more out of the interaction.

 

[POB]

There's another shitty aspect about having ongoin non-stop negativity here.
Less experienced guys may see us bashing an autistic coping post and feel shy about posting their own stuff.
Which is the exact oposite of what everybody wants.

More posts = more ideas = more discussion.
Personally, I don't mind seeing a guide from a newbie discussing something I already know, but using a different angle.
It's great to keep getting a fresh perspective on everything