Questions for those of you in here who have known Indian guys having success.

[The Armani Code]

Particularly here in the USA.

I am of Indian descent and after reading some stuff on the pickup community and other places, it seems to give me the impression that Indian guys not thought highly of in the USA. I do not want this to be the topic of discussion to where someone gives an explanation as to why American women hate Indian men and how the media is responsible for all of it.

We can talk on and on about how much it sucks to be Indian but I want to hear about the other side of it. To those of you in here that have personally known Indian guys that managed to do quite well in the game (no PUAs just guys from real life); I have some questions:

1. What area of the USA did you see them having success?

It seems to me like places such as California and New York are actually bad for Indian men because women in these areas are more likely to run into fresh off the boat immigrant Indian guys who may creep women out as opposed to cool Indian men like Kumar from Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle. Plus, women in these areas are also more shallow about things like looks, race/ethnicity, and other things so they probably won't go for a race that Hollywood does not think too highly of.

I have read of cool Indian men having a lot of success in places like Texas and Florida where women think "exotic and handsome" when they see a cool Indian guy as opposed to the negative stereotypes that women in a place like California might think.


2. What kind of image did they run with?

Were they Indian hipsters? Were they jocky Indian guys? I want to know what kind of a guy they were to have had so much success with women.

 

[GeneralFap]

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[Rage]

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[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

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I don't get the point of attacking the OP. Having read Models by Mark Manson, even he admits that race matters and you need to approach things differently based on your race. Why the hate guys? If you don't have anything good to add then seriously, you don't need to add anything. You can have all the game and talent in the world but if you're running game as an Indian guy in Kentucky, you're not going to have much success.

Comparatively speaking, there aren't that many successful Indian guys out there in the game. Of all the races, I have seen the least amount of Indian guys having success out there, I've even seen more Asian guys having success.

Now that said, as an Indian guy who has had a lot of success in the game, here is some advice I would give to Indian guys getting into the game:

1. You're going to have a rough time in areas of the USA with a large Indian population, it is a given. I would say that the Bay Area and New Jersey are among the worst places in the USA to run game as an Indian guy because you have so many stereotypes working against you from the get go. A lot of women are used to seeing the worst of Indian culture in those areas as well, many of them are going to hold being Indian against you. I am in Arizona and the game here is kind to an Indian guy that has his shit together.

2. The successful Indian guys I have seen try to copy white frat culture the best way they can and the ones who do well with better looking white girls generally have a white social circle to go with it. Indian guys can play the token minority role quite well and have an easier time playing it as well. I have never known an Indian guy that had an exclusively Indian social circle but still had a lot of success with girls of other races. The most successful Indian guys I have known behaved a lot like white fraternity brothers and they were in fraternities as well, they managed to do well with white girls as well as having attractive Indian girls that wanted them as well.

This is all exclusive to Arizona though, not sure how it is like in other areas.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

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I would not put much faith into PUA videos and I know I am far from the majority here. Fact of the matter is, there are a lot of fake videos out there and staged nonsense for someone to really take them seriously. Even Simple Pickup does crazy shit on college campuses that would earn most guys a creeper reputation. Even though I have glanced into some PUA material, I would never follow it myself.

My philosophy is to incorporate a lot of the seduction material into your normal everyday life rather than approaching thousands of random female strangers every week. Most of the naturals and guys with social respect (thing that a lot of PUAs don't have) are usually those who are sought after by girls and date a lot of the better looking girls out there.

I was not talking about some random Indian PUA when I made my post, I was talking about socially respected Indian guys that had opportunities to hook up with hot girls and capitalized on those opportunities.

 

[ray_zorse]

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There are probably some fake infields out there but I imagine they'd be easy to spot. I don't watch a lot of infields but I think they play a very valuable role when you are starting out. Funny, some of my fave infields I thought "OMG can he really do that?", now after having several daygame 1hr meet-to-lays under my belt I'm like yeah, whatever... doesn't even register.

Dude I understand why people are skeptical of spam approaching and keen to emulate the natural dudes they see killing it in social circle, but IMO that's a mistake, I'd love to kill it in social circle too and I'm a reasonably experienced seducer but that's still somewhat out of reach for me. Need A LOT more work on my fundamentals and social skills. I know where I need to improve. But the thing is social circle simply does not expose you to enough girls to allow you to get the practice you need, not by a long shot.

Look at Hector, kills it in college social circle but has moved to a new city and is focusing on daygame. That's also the right strategy if you don't have a (good) social circle. I have literally built a social circle in Osaka, Japan where I am quite respected (much more than in Aussie) and regarded as a deadly ladykiller with tons of preselection/social value, and it's solely through cold approach, I literally did not know a single person there when I went there for the first time a year or so back.

I doubt it matters whether you are Indian, wasn't planning to comment on that issue except to say that Aussie society may be more egalitarian than US, but I see Arab and Indian guys with GREAT fundamentals and smoking hot white (or other) girls on their arm all the time. My best buddy is Indian and although he doesn't usually make a move (claims to be very picky about what he's attracted to and to not have time for girls anyway)... girls love him cos he's a cool, friendly dude.

Ray

 

[The Armani Code]

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Well thanks for commenting guys.

1. Ray,

People like you make me so jealous. If I was a white Aussie guy, I would playing the game on easy mode here in the USA, especially when it comes to attracting white American women. In California, being a white Aussie guy is practically an automatic way to get a date or a number from hot girls. American women are crazy for Chris Hemsworth, Liam Hemsworth, and guys like Joel Edgerton man. Unfortunately, us Indian guys don't have our Chris Hemsworth here in the USA.

Surprised to hear that you know of Indian guys who can get hot white girls in Australia while an Indian guy with a hot white girl in California is practically unheard of.

2. Kenshin,

Ya man, that is my biggest thing dude. I have never really seen or known an Indian guy in my entire life who absolutely owned it and was a natural so I think that it cannot be done, it is a limiting belief I am dealing with. We have a lot of Indians in California but they are all either virgins, single, or with Indian girls. You might occasionally meet one that pulls a Mexican, Black, or Asian girl but an Indian guy with a hot white girl is unheard of in this state. Even guys of other races pick on Indian men as being undesirable and talk about how they're so happy that they are not Indian. Sometimes I wonder if women have already prejudged me because of my ethnic background since there are a lot of Indian people here.

It kinda sucks to see all of the interracial dating going on in the state only to know that Indian men for the most part are excluded from it, I wonder if moving out of here will help me since California girls are shallow about things like money and looks which includes your race.

3. Radeng,

Simple Pickup did kinda give me hope since I saw an Indian guy picking up hot girls but then I heard a lot about how RSD and Simple Pickup actually tend to fake their videos just to attract a following. Then again, I am not really trying to be a PUA, I am trying to work well within a social circle and with people I know to where I can earn social respect from my peers and be sought after by some of the girls.

 

[Rage]

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You know chase or Franco  is just going to end up either locking this thread and or adding it to the over long thread about race that already exists. (Which gets added to each time YOU make a new butthurt thread to rehash the same problem wording it just slightly differently).

Will try to not be negative and just be matter of fact man: you bring about your own problems and prophesize your own reality. The limiting beliefs you believe and insist must be right you just project onto the world and make reality in what you end up seeing and doing. 

You're not different from the guy who says women are just bitches who just cheat and fuck random guys, and who then goes and only sees those girls everywhere he looks. That guy gets off on finding other guys who can agree with him on that and then they go and jerk each other off at how true that is and how much it sucks for them and is unfair and all that shit.

Becomes one big pissing contest.

You should probably leave this forum and find other forums where guys like to complain about this stuff more like you (shit let's even say they're discussing valid points: the guys on those forums will be very happy to discuss it with you). There are more of those out there. The type of guy focused on disadvantages and problems and who isn't looking to do any work and only looking to figure out problems and why his plight is horrible and fucked from the start are more on those forums than they are on positive ones like this one. 

Go to some mra groups, or shit you can even go and start your own group/forum/site for butthurt Indian guys and have discussions and articles to talk about this stuff! 

Go for it man, good luck! You can call it girlsdontchase.com 

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I'm an Indian guy; if you're just not like other Indian guys and instead try to be act like and do what a guy with fundamentals does, what sexy guys do, you'll be able to learn and work to progress wherever you go. 

It is difficult it is extremely difficult and I'm not anywhere near where id like to be, but even then I have girls look me up and down everywhere I go and have had it this way from as young as I can fucking remember . When I'm working to approach working to progress when I put the work in I eventually get results. If I'm not getting results ever it's because I'm not putting in enough work at any given moment at pickup.

The difference in the
 Mindset here between me and you is that I put my self accountable first and only; if I'm not getting the results I desire its cause I'm not working hard or smart enough. For you or other guys like you it's because girls don't like your race or are stuck up or x external reason that is about something outside of you. 

You don't blame yourself. You're a complainer then not a fixer; but really any problems you or any guy will face will necessarily be because you don't put in the work. 

I met hector the other day and went day gaming with him. You know why he's the best?

It's because he's Hispanic and girls like that race the most!

Bet you really got off on that answer huh?

 Just kidding, he's the best because he's put the most work in, he did 20+ approaches before I even showed up, he's a machine grinds hard at what he does wants to be really fucking good at what he does. He puts in the work to do that fails a ton has some successes and then goes from there.

If anyone doesn't get results it's cause they aren't putting the work in. Seriously man you can boil down any problems any theories any discussion any argument to just that statement. Put the hard and smart work in, get the results eventually. Don't, and you won't.

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Nothing else to really say; but I will say this. It s irritating and a vampiric drain to see you and any other guys like you continuing to make posts and threads like this.

If you're gonna have self limiting beliefs, problems, fears, and concerns like this by all means go for it. But don't drag the positive guys down with you; find other guys who agree with you and then walk hand in hand with them into the bottomless pit of depression and negativity.

Otherwise you do end up just an unproductive drain to the positive guys on this forum who are looking to learn, to grow, to work hard and to give back.

-Rage 

 

[trashKENNUT]

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OMG, not again.

but then i am not full black, so i don't know. Just so you know, all the girls i date were FAIR. They are brighter than me. =.=

Can we please stop this thing? The very least you could do is adopt a Tyrese Gibson personality from Fast and Furious. He lessen intimidation of black guys by being super funny and cool as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVvXwvHzzlg Check this out.

Zac

 

[Rage]

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Good example by Zac.

Work on your fundamentals and how girls perceive you just from first sight, and SERIOUSLY then race is the last thing that matters.

Invariably I have this conversation with about 60% of the girls I meet

Girl- (either I brought the topic up first or she did) where are you from

Me- Oh I’m from here, my parents are from Bangladesh. Do you know where that is.

Girl- No that’s cool I’ve never heard of that before

Or

Girl- Yeah I do wow I never met someone from there before

…

I could tell girls I’m Hispanic, and that my parents are from spain or mexico and they’ll believe me. I’ve done it a lot just to see if it’s possible and yeah it fucking easily is. Or you could tell her you’re half this and half that. Or you could tell her you’re black, I’ve said that a few times and have even had the girls believe that!

I say what my actual descent is and where I’m from because it is nothing but an advantage. Does nothing but help her attraction or intrigue in me. Never hurts it ever.

But not because it shuodlnt or wouldn’t, but more so because I frame it like that first and even before that, because I truly believe IN MY OWN MIND that race doesn’t matter and at best only helps me to begin with.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

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Guys, really?

Rage, you need to stop, you're venting your frustrations on here and taking them out on the OP. Based on your long post, I can easily tell that you feel sensitive to this kind of shit and react to it like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum. IMO, you are in no position to give advice.

I am a successful Indian guy who has had a lot of luck and even I think most of you are acting like children towards this thread. Chase has written major articles about the difference between PUAs and naturals and tbh, I think most PUAs are posers who only luck out with a couple of desperate women every now and then by using canned routines. True game, true success, and true growth as a player is not built by using canned routines or nonsense tactics, there is more to it than that. It is about growth, improving yourself, acknowledging your weaknesses and working around them, and also picking favorable locations. An Indian guy is not going to get hot blondes at a country concert any time soon, that's just how it is.

RSD is bullshit and so is the advice they give, even some of their insiders have talked about how fake and crooked they are. Good Looking Loser elaborated on how he went to a PUA bootcamp where they were telling an obese and smelly guy that the reason he did so poorly is because of the angle he was approaching at.

We have this whole "you can do anything you set your mind to" type of mentality on here but even I know, as a successful Indian guy, that it is pure bullshit. I know how lucky I am to be in a state like Arizona and have a circle of cool natural friends who are white. As a matter of fact, I myself have seen Indian guys run the PUA bullshit on a college campus only to be called creeps (and further hurt the reputation of Indian men) and be kicked out of parties.

I have a cousin who is an Indian guy in New Jersey, guess what? He is just as handsome as me and still does awful because the reputation of Indian men there is beyond repair.

This is what I feel like is the problem, we have people who have spent their entire lives on the internet reading game material and taking some ecstasy pill with absolutely no life experience giving advice.

Do I think that being Indian is a death sentence? No.

But I know for a fact that an Indian guy needs to play the game differently than a white guy would. It doesn't mean you will be unable to do as well as a handsome white guy, it just means that what works for him might not always work for you.

Going by the logic you guys are using, we might as well tell OP to try and pickup girls at a neo-nazi meeting.

 

[Richard]

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All I'm going to say is this:

The only thing holding anyone back from reaching their goal is themselves. You are in complete control of your life and as such you are held accountable for what does and does not happen with it.

It's an illusion to say that I can't succeed with women because I'm Indian, and it's just a bullshit excuse because you are accountable for happens in your life. That makes you responsible for pulling the women you want - it does not make them responsible for choosing to be seduced by you.

I don't stand to let people sabotage themselves, and I don't stand around to sympathize with people who bitch and complain. I stand around to hear people complain and then I help them to change and overcome their illusions.

-Richard

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

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All I'm going to say is this:

The only thing holding anyone back from reaching their goal is themselves. You are in complete control of your life and as such you are held accountable for what does and does not happen with it.

It's an illusion to say that I can't succeed with women because I'm Indian, and it's just a bullshit excuse because you are accountable for happens in your life. That makes you responsible for pulling the women you want - it does not make them responsible for choosing to be seduced by you.

I don't stand to let people sabotage themselves, and I don't stand around to sympathize with people who bitch and complain. I stand around to hear people complain and then I help them to change and overcome their illusions.

-Richard

Sometimes you have to know the reality though man. You can have all the game, character, and even looks in the world but you are not going to pull cute white girls as some Indian guy in Kentucky or Missouri. A part of you also needs to be aware of the possible stereotypes that are against you and actively work against them. As I said, Indian guys can do well and I have seen it, but they have to take a different path to success than a white guy.

 

[Richard]

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Sometimes you have to know the reality though man. You can have all the game, character, and even looks in the world but you are not going to pull cute white girls as some Indian guy in Kentucky or Missouri. A part of you also needs to be aware of the possible stereotypes that are against you and actively work against them. As I said, Indian guys can do well and I have seen it, but they have to take a different path to success than a white guy.

Funniest thing is you create that reality.

"You are not going to pull cute white girls."
"They have to take a different path."

Those simply reinforce a reality that you think exists and that's all they do and they create a pattern.

The two options you have are to believe in this bullshit and let it control you, or say the excuses/thoughts are bullshit and create your own reality.

I only help those that subscribe to the latter point of view and it seems like many don't. There's a world beyond what you see and think if you choose to get there.

-Richard

 

[Richard]

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It's no different than a black man saying that "White people are racist and are out to get men like me." As a result, they act in a way to combat that belief. White people say this and say "He's dangerous to himself and others. We need to be cautious about him." The beliefs reflect the reality they think exists and then actually cause that reality to exist.

 

[JimmyB]

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Have a friend from college, parents both Indian but he was born in America. He does pretty well with sorority girls. White, blonde girls (it really is irrelevant, but you seem caught up on this). Just to provide an example for you that it's doable. Granted, he is a bit socially clueless sometimes but he has improved a lot over the past few years.
It is so much about how you hold yourself and not about being Indian. You're probably pretty socially awkward and clueless to social cues (no offense, but based on your post, that's my read). I have several Indian friends who are just cool. You just gotta work at being cool. It takes time.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

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If I ever claimed to be Asian, it is because Indians are technically Asian. It would be wrong for this thread to be merged with the blonde bombshells thread because this thread is not about getting hot blondes, it is about being a sexy guy that happens to be Indian.

In the end, things like

1. Looking your best

2. Getting the fundamentals right

3. Being able to be social and talk to people

They all matter a lot. The truth is though, you have to go about it differently. As an Indian guy, you can't look nerdy because it is an even bigger hit your SMV than it would be to a guy of another race. I have found that Indian guys have a lot of success going the more masculine and jocky approach because it contrasts with the stereotype. Things like having a lot of white friends helps a lot, I have never known an Indian guy that did well while exclusively having a social circle that for the most part, consisted of Indian friends.

The thing is, as an Indian guy, girls will never see you the way they see white guys. You will be that sexy guy that happens to be brown and let me tell you, it is damn fun being that guy. So as a brown guy, don't model yourself after a handsome white guy that has a lot of success because girls just don't see you in that way. I feel that brown guys need to take certain things into account that a white guy might not need to.

As for why I am here, I have had my struggles. I have been attacked and harassed at certain points in my life for dating white girls because I happened to be in an area where Indian men were the whipping boys and white girls were at the top of the ladder. So ya, as an Indian guy, you also need to take location into account because in some parts of the USA, it is very difficult to do well as an Indian guy.

Edit:

Aziz Ansari's new show called Masters of None is worth a watch, he dates cute white girls on that show and I feel that Indian men have a lot to learn from him.

 

[JimmyB]

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What Kenshin said I think nails it - I think having white friends helps a lot. My friend was part of my fraternity. He was like the token Indian guy and owned up to it and was able to laugh about it. Rolling around with several Indian guys I don't think would cut it. Making friends with white guys who are part of the social circle that has this particular type of girl in it is probably your best move. Talk with this type of girl more, get to know them.

being a white Aussie guy is practically an automatic way to get a date or a number from hot girls.

What you mean to say is "being a cool white Aussie guy who has his shit together is an automatic way"

I guarantee you there are plenty of awkward Aussie guys in Cali who get no pussy.

It's not about him being Australian. He's probably just cool anyways. So being Australian just gives him something extra by being exotic. Just like it's not about you being Indian.

Kal Penn's the man; you could use him as a model.

 

[Lover]

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I didn't intend to comment in here, but well.. here I am.

Kenshin and Armani Code, I'm an Iranian guy in Europe, probably with skin a little brighter than yours. I recognize some of yours points about game being different for Asian males (Iran is Western Asia), but thinking it over it is not THAT different (I'm not sure about cold approach, I have experience from social circles and night game). I don't know what kind of girls you have met (you haven't written any FR on the board, or maybe I didn't find them), but I've mostly hooked up with native white girls here. And I gotta tell you, Muslims have a VERY BAD reputation here - I think mostly because of media just like yourselves. I won't go into details about why the reputation has turned out like this. To keep it brief, some natives don't even think of the Muslim folk as human. But I want to say that as far as game goes, I think girls are scared to meet Muslim men because of two particular factors: 1. the men want to be a provider and bf of women, and 2. many of them have a madonna-whore complex. I can't see how they are any different from a regular nice guy (especially the madonna-whore thing). In regards to myself, well I'm not Muslim, but my firsthand impression could very well signal that I'm a Muslim as well - because the average Muslim happens to have black hair, black facial hair and brown skin.

A little bit of story. I can think of two incidents where my race MIGHT but didn't necessarily matter: in both of the incidents I hooked up with native white girls who was naturally attracted to brown skinned guys (I dare to say Middle Eastern guys). Actually there was also a third incident now that I think of it: I was with an Asian girl who was impressed with my (lack of) accent and vocabulary (it was greater than my peers, both natives and foreigners). That was all in my early teen years. All girls I've hooked up with ever since, don't really care about my race per se. I can see after reading GC material that probably 10 girls (that I know of) may have been attracted to me but I didn't push things with them solely because I didn't know how to, not because I am Iranian.

However, I can see that it is easy to blame guys for lack of social calibration and social cues because "he's Indian/Arab/any motherfucking race after all". But you know what, white guys are guilty of this as well. But you never hear anyone say "oh, that's because he's white/American/European" (only if they don't know how to dance ). But it does happen to the white guys one way or another that he gets labelled "clueless". I think that game is essentially the same for white guys and foreigners. How do your fundamentals, pickup techniques, vibe, inner game and so on differ from a white guy? How does understanding the rules of socializing differ between white guys and foreigners? The way I see it: in no fucking way.

If you think white girls are brainwashed by media to believe that Indian males are clueless and unattractive, then prove them wrong. Show them you know how to be the Indian guy who is not a burden and understand the rules of socializing. If she's not naturally attracted to certain races that doesn't mean it's game over. It just means you have to show her that you know how to play your cards right and that you're nothing like the stereotype (and Kenshin, you also touch on this in one of your posts). But how do you that? I just mentioned it before: game, fundamentals, vibe and so on. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't. But don't ever blame it on your race. If you believe it's because of your race, then everybody is gonna believe it's because of your race.

 

[Smurf]

Re: Questions for those of you in here who have known Indian guys having success

Have you tried approaching?

Jake.