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greenleaf

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Fairly uneventful, short FR.

Failed to open the first set I saw who were actually a group of very young, hot girls who were on the same train as me. They were super loud but I was still sober at this point and didn't have the balls to open them lol. Neither did my wing. Obviously should have just asked what the occasion was since there was a big loud group out drinking early on the train going to the same town as me

Made a few 'hit and run' opens in the first bar to try to build some momentum, and then had my first (and only?) 'proper' set of the night

Having been speaking with @Velasco before, I'd been trying to memorise to ask the questions for which I had some sort of 'stack' for in terms of a my reply to her reply. Also wanted to try to push the convo somewhere sexual.

I opened with a comment on her clothing and she actually was a rare girl who had a personality and so she bantered back with me about my jacket and it went back and forth. After that started to die she almost looked away and this is where I sometimes feel awkward about trying to carry on the convo as I feel i'm being a bit of a pest who can't take a hint, but since she was so friendly initially and I made a point in my last thread about making sure I ask all of the usual questions no matter what, I asked her name, and again played around with the answer. Made a cold read/assumption stack about what she might do for a living and I used that to kind of set a 'trouble' premise that like all hair-dressers are trouble kind of thing and was spiked. We carried on chatting about our plans and what we were up too etc. She asks me what I do and I use the music teacher routine thing so that I can can kind of DHV in a fun way and kind of 'teach' her something.

At this point I try to take this a bit more sexual as per what velasco spoke about and as we speak about what we're up too tonight, I ask her what type of guys she likes. (She picks out 3 guys from the UK series 'love Island who are all black! lol) and I quickly remember I was supposed to ask if there's any guys she 'wouldn't' go for, and I'm pointing at little Indian guys and stuff and she's laughing. I say something about having fucked a few Indian girls before and she's laughing.

It's going ok but I've had thousands of sets now and I've got this feeling that she's simply a 'polite no girl' lol (a phrase I think I saw someone else on here say recently and I totally know what they meant! It's like I could kind of see that I'm not her physical type and thus no matter what I do/say this isn't gonna lead to sex or anything, but she's also very social and talkative by nature. Like she'd be doing the same if I was 80 and in a wheelchair lol)

Also - in the same vain, I've had many sets where a set that was going well just ended, and I often thought to myself 'Damn. I didn't even make my intent super clear! Maybe she left because she thought I wasn't interested?!!' and got angry at myself. I told myself i'd experiment a little with verbalising intent going forward in some sets (a bit like evolutionDaily or JeffyRSD advise)

So in this set now, as we carried on chatting but she's steered the convo back to hobbies or something and I gave some pretty clear statements of intent and think I used a Jeffy line; something like ''look at you, looking all sexy!'' or something and then doubled up with a ToddV line for the same situation - in his case more of a 'push pull compliment' (something about being cute but I wasn't sure about her yet)

Anyway, a few mins after she actually just ejected. Told me it was nice meeting me and to have fun and went back to her friends.

I'm glad to at least have tested out the theory in that set lol.

But yeah, I kind of get the feeling that there's nothing I could have done in that set tbh. e.g - some girls (quite rare in my experience) are just chatty and fun/confident with strangers. Someone called them 'receptive no girls' on here or reddit I think lol. I kind of get it. For example, when I got laid on new years eve a few months back, it felt very different. She actually WAS attracted. I could tell within maybe 30 seconds just from her eyes. And I think I've got that feeling in all of my pulls. (even if they weren't outright flirting and giving it to me on a plate like they do my handsome wing, I still could tell they were attracted)


I made an open on a very hot girl next to me at the bar as she was ordering loads of shots. Think it was just something like 'Are they all yours?' and she 'smiled' (in that UK forced smile kind of way as if to say 'Errrrr…...we don't know each other') and then gave me a backturn lol. My wing saw this and tapped her on the shoulder to ask her name but she just put her palm in his face as if to say 'not interested' and went to join her equally hot friend who was sat at a table a few feet away. My friend say 'ouch' lol

We actually got in a fist fight and thrown out shortly after out so my night was cut short and I can't really remember many other sets, unfortunately.
 
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Velasco

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My guy! Good to see you tested the shit out. Quick pointers cause I'm on my lunch break
I ask her what type of guys she likes. (She picks out 3 guys from the UK series 'love Island who are all black! lol) and I quickly remember I was supposed to ask if there's any guys she 'wouldn't' go for, and I'm pointing at little Indian guys and stuff and she's laughing. I say something about having fucked a few Indian girls before and she's laughing.

Hilarious. Yeah you fucked it up there with asking her what type of guys she likes when you know your not the stereotypical guy most girls would go for. But you slightly recovered on the follow up. However you got to keep it going! Getting a laugh is cool and all but our main priority is trying turn these girls on.

In my routine I talk about liking to fuck short girls (the girl I'm telling the routine to is also short. Cause if she's tall she gonna be like ok then why is he talking to me?), only to set the context for us talking about each others favorite sex position.

So the whole "having fucked a few Indian girls" should serve as context to talk about something sexual. What is it that you realized about fucking Indian girls? Maybe compare them to the way British girls fuck. And then ask her if she's like that. Brainstorm. Shit my lunch breaks about end soon...lol

she's also very social and talkative by nature. Like she'd be doing the same if I was 80 and in a wheelchair lol)


Skip to the 15 minute mark in this podcast episode. The chick is 29 very social and talkative person. The dude she's interviewing is a total player whose fucked shit tons of girls in his youth. He's 60 years old. Just listen to what he talks about. HOW he talks (relaxed, fun, humble). After hearing the 10 minute interview, you telling me these two didn't fuck? You telling me this 60 year old old fart was her Ideal physical type?
So in this set now, as we carried on chatting but she's steered the convo back to hobbies or something and I gave some pretty clear statements of intent and think I used a Jeffy line; something like ''look at you, looking all sexy!'' or something and then doubled up with a ToddV line for the same situation - in his case more of a 'push pull compliment' (something about being cute but I wasn't sure about her yet)

Anyway, a few mins after she actually just ejected.

Talking about sex, asking her sexual questions, what she likes in bed, sets the premise for you (because WHY would you ask those questions to a girl who you had zero interest in fucking???) without giving your power away (showing intent, "god ur so sexy")
 

greenleaf

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My guy! Good to see you tested the shit out. Quick pointers cause I'm on my lunch break
thanks - It would have been much sooner since my last FR, but I was sick on weekend, and the week after all of my wingmen pussied out on me and I ain't going out alone around here lol

Thanks for that podcast link. Was entertaining, tbh. Never heard of her. 5000 girls! haha. (that's more than jmulv??)
PS - She had good game. I bet she'd make a brilliant female lesbian PUA!

There might be some confusion judging by your reply to my comment of:
''she's also very social and talkative by nature. Like she'd be doing the same if I was 80 and in a wheelchair lol) ''

Reading it back (due to my use of the word 'like'), that reads like I'm saying 'She wouldn't speak to me like that if I was 80 in a wheelchair', although i'm actually saying the opposite; I'm saying that she was just a social fun girl and so I sensed her being open to having them sort of chats wasn't really an IOI or anything as I sensed she'd happily have the same convo with a geriatric amputee despite having no attraction to either of us (if that makes sense)
Like, even though it wasn't a perfect, in that particular set, i'm pretty sure that better game wouldn't have changed the end result. As we know, even guys with great game get rejected


without giving your power away (showing intent, "god ur so sexy")

Yeah, I still experiment/play around with that. I almost alternate it lol. (verbally show intent in one set like Jeffy says too, and in the next set hide my intent verbally like mysterymethod). I'm not entirely sure it matters, tbh (just based on my own experiences). I think she's either into you or she's not and so even though I actually tend NOT to show intent at the risk of 'giving my power away', my instincts tell me doing so is probably the better play over the long haul. PS -Do you think the old dude in that clip gave his power away a little bit when he said how pretty she was and that she had nice eyes and stuff? It seems like one of many 'game' things where pro's seem to do things extremely different and claim their way is superior, although they all seem to get the same results

Cheers. Expect another FR on the weekend. Really need to open more sets. When I was getting laid more, it's so clear that the reason was that I had less AA, and I was opening on average, maybe 15 sets per night, whereas I tend to average like 3 now! Not sure why. I think a mixture of taking a bit of a break, and also certain brutal rejections are still lingering around in my brain! lol (edit: plus I feel i'm slowly looking older yet still go for the same 18 year olds which might also play a role)
 

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even though it wasn't a perfect, in that particular set, i'm pretty sure that better game wouldn't have changed the end result. As we know, even guys with great game get rejected

Guys with great game get rejected when they do something wrong with maybe girls. Whether that's failing to pounce on the window of opportunity, running out of things to say, set sexual frames, fail to win over her friends, don't screen for logistics, don't get enough investment from the girl (so she rejects you for appearing TOO playerish/fuckboi (I get this one a lot actually lol).

EVERYONE, regardless of skill level, gets rejected when a girl doesn't give them an opportunity to charm them.

(verbally show intent in one set like Jeffy says too, and in the next set hide my intent verbally like mysterymethod). I'm not entirely sure it matters, tbh (just based on my own experiences). I think she's either into you or she's not and so even though I actually tend NOT to show intent at the risk of 'giving my power away', my instincts tell me doing so is probably the better play over the long haul.

Mystery wasn't about hiding intent verbally. He said don't show it until she's shown you she's earned it (qualifying herself/investing a story about herself). So when she's earned it, then like jeffy, you can show intent verbally. "That's amazing. I love you so much right now"

So yes. If you want to show intent verbally (instead of just doing so non verbally with your eyes) do so AFTER she's shown she's earned it, for best results.

Todd V's "premise" concept is just the underlying frame of the interaction. Is it a man to woman one (sexual) or not (platonic)? Just by talking about sex, revealing traits about you that are conductive to fast sex, you set a man to woman frame.

When I was getting laid more, it's so clear that the reason was that I had less AA, and I was opening on average, maybe 15 sets per night

If that's what gets you results then that's what you gotta do :) To help out with this, I liked @Chrance's recent "goals for the night" post he wrote in his journal.

goals from hereon are:
  1. Approach 20 sets per night at all costs; if the girl is not attractive then leave after a minute or two of coversation
  2. Stay in set until she clearly rejects you or is completely unresponsive after a minute
  3. Practice hooking material
  4. 30 minutes to an hour a day of practicing hooking material, comfort phase questions and more
A subtle but underlying goal is to stay 100% focused on the above four goals and not concern myself with getting laid and sex. It is best if I don’t use my horniness to motivate me since it is a double edged sword, causing my nights to shift from being goal-focused to getting-laid-focused, and the latter always leads to despair, resulting in shrugging off good sets, the “what does it matter if I talk to her anyways? The odds of banging are too low” phenomenon and so on.
 

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It's going ok but I've had thousands of sets now and I've got this feeling that she's simply a 'polite no girl' lol

Not all 'No girls' are like this:



Some girls will be open to conversation, banter ect. But she will never see you as a sexual option if she isn't physically attracted to you. You can't 'game' her into finding you attractive i'm afraid.
So yes, a 'polite no girl' isn't a bad way of putting it.
 

Velasco

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Your right :)

But not because of this

she will never see you as a sexual option if she isn't physically attracted to you
She's a NO girl because she isnt sexually available (GLL's term). Not a NO in the traditional sense where its because she thinks ur ugly (which gets you that ruthless rejection like Vadim above)


The reason I don't run in to them much is because I screen them out right away with my "so where's your boyfriend?" and going straight into my sexual questions to screen out conservative girls so that I dont waste my time. Never really thought about calling them NO girls lol
 

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Your right :)

But not because of this


She's a NO girl because she isnt sexually available (GLL's term). Not a NO in the traditional sense where its because she thinks ur ugly (which gets you that ruthless rejection like Vadim above)


The reason I don't run in to them much is because I screen them out right away with my "so where's your boyfriend?" and going straight into my sexual questions to screen out conservative girls so that I dont waste my time. Never really thought about calling them NO girls lol

If a girl is truly not sexually available, don’t you think you can literally just change her mind? If you can change someone’s mind to do one thing over another (like going to the beach over an amusement park) then I don’t see why you can’t change a woman’s mind for sex. I feel like making the girl become more sexually available is a part of pickup. She feels one way this moment, but now she feels another way that moment all because you did something.

There are definitely degrees of sexual availability, ranging between total lesbian hag on one end, Hetero but not in the mood somewhere in the middle, and looking for some action right now ASAP on the other.

I don’t want to imply changing someone’s mind is easy, but it can be done and happens all the time. Not sure why it can’t happen with sexually unavailable women beyond it being too much work or too difficult
 
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greenleaf

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Not all 'No girls' are like this:


lol, I've had many of those rejections! That's actually a good vid. I get the impression that sort of rude instant rejection is way more common here than over in the US from what I've read and seen! (especially from young girls at night)

Yeah, I've seen lots of discussions about the whole yes/no/maybe girls thing recently. Certainly lots of people seem to have their own definitions.

I feel like with 'no girls', there's the ones who basically tell you to go away when you say 'hi' (or basically don't talk back), and the ones who happen to be open to conversation, but she will never be into you in a sexual way (like you just aren't her type. She'll never be attracted to you no matter what you say)
I really feel I can sense what category they fall into nowadays fairly fast although I always intend to try to push through just to confirm that i'm right. I think with the girl in this OP, 'perfect' game would still have ended in her walking away tbh, whereas with the girl in my last FR where she was talking about her handsome boyfriend and I kind of ended up self ejected, I actually think that she COULD have maybe been got by me if my game had have been better. Both girls were 'receptive', though. But I could just tell that girl in OP wasn't/would never be attracted. I feel as though all the negs and DHV's and sex talk etc (games idea of attraction) wouldn't have changed that tbh

Similarly, I was at a wedding early this year and since it's a wedding, every girl is 'receptive' (don't want to look rude to people who she has mutual friends with etc). She was super hot, young and single, and I felt like I ran the best game of my life, (I just felt really 'on' for various reasons, and was sexualising and teasing and DHV'ing and all that good stuff) but I could just tell that she wasn't into me 'like that' and she finally made it pretty clear when I attempted to escalate a little, and she ended up trying to bang the super handsome 'best man' who was kind of boring and she'd barely spoken too which stung! lol.

I guess it's one of those things that not everyone will ever agree on. Conversely, I spoke to some PUA coach on a blog type thing recently who believes the exact opposite, and that there's no such things as no girls. You should be able to get 100% of the girls you open, no matter your age/looks etc, if you know game. If you fail, you can only blame your game
 

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It can be done. In one night (as in trying to get a Single night lay) the odds are much lower.

God bless the day gamers on this forum, but if you take a glance at their journals. You'll see how often they get a "I'm sorry I have a bf" after the girl's been receptive. Laughing at your jokes and shit.

Even with ur "ur boyfriend can watch us blah blah blah" whatever trying to pass her "shit test" ain't gonna do shit. Itll get a laugh if that's what ur after

And yes I as well as many others here have SNLed girls with boyfriends (even if they were unaware at the time that the chick had a boyfriend) and with husbands. The difference was that those girls were out looking to cheat (or weren't opposed to cheating).

When I ask "so where's your boyfriend" it'll get "he's at home/over there" from girls with girls not trying cheat.

Get "its complicated" from girls with bfs but not in love with they're bfs

And "I don't have one" from single girls.

The later two are sexually available
 

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I feel like making the girl become more sexually available is a part of pickup. She feels one way this moment, but now she feels another way that moment all because you did something.
Game is making her choose YOU over the other attractive options available to her.

Like in sales, she has a need (a car for example) and then she chooses you as the most attractive option to fulfill that need.
 
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