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Skjöldr

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Peter: How did those midterms go?
Skills: hey Maria how is your day going and how are those uni classes treating you? (or something like that related to the meet or convos in this case the dude met the girl in the uni...
Peter's girl: Well, they're not really over yet...but stressful
Skills' girl: blah blah
Peter: Sounds like you need some relaxing massage
Skills: You should take a break from all that study and have a little break with a handsome hot guy = soft close/testing waters/pinging/shit testing..
Lmaooooooo

Can't believe i did it straight from the book. I view his "basic/simple text guide" not as "the best text guide" but simply a superior alternative to open->close in the same text as recommended on girlschase.com, mark manson and others ala "Hey, i hope your week is going well, it would be cool to get together for drinks soon, what's your schedule?" I have followed @Skills text advice from that guide and it improved my results, but i guess there are some variations like in this case, where you aren't just mindlessly following it step by step, but view them as phases, where you have to complete the first step to continue to the other (in this case she was very low investment and compliance and i didn't know what else to say so i just hit her with a soft close, my rationale was she was hard to read so i'll just hit her with a soft close)
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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this is the exact reaction i expected when peter shared his meme....facepalm i know skills is know gonna talk shit about this now...

Let me just remind you of what one very smart guy once posted here said:


Can't believe I have to do this but...

Peter: How did those midterms go?
Skills: hey Maria how is your day going and how are those uni classes treating you? (or something like that related to the meet or convos in this case the dude met the girl in the uni...
Peter's girl: Well, they're not really over yet...but stressful
Skills' girl: blah blah
Peter: Sounds like you need some relaxing massage
Skills: You should take a break from all that study and have a little break with a handsome hot guy = soft close/testing waters/pinging/shit testing..


re read my complete previous reply, again i had the SAME SITUATION.... my texting guide is post meet, this is post PETER GOT A BJ AND ASD, FACEPALM, different situation with a girl that HAD ASD, he went into a soft close at low investment with a MASSAGE... And i guarantee you that meme shit backfired too...


read will answer: massage aka wanna fuck, with a girl that gave asd...

and yes that meme may have backfired more as a ping, but what do i know...
 

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he went into a soft close at low investment with a MASSAGE
And what is the subcommunication of this soft close?

You should take a break from all that study and have a little break with a handsome hot guy.

Is it not, "wanna fuck?"

The problem wasn't WHAT he soft closed with. it was that he soft closed in the first place, when he shouldn't have cuz her previous behavior indicated that it was gonna backfire (ignored his 2nd text, took a day to get back to him), and instead build rapport with her. which is what everyone here is saying. Only you (who don't field test memes cuz you think they're try hard using your girl as an example (girls don't know how to meme, if you didn't know, man. You know I ignore my girl's retarded text message jokes too, right?) don't think a meme can start this process.
i guarantee you that meme shit backfired too...
no shit.

Velasco:
This is where my meme comes in (which is more tailored for her situation (she is stressed out about exams....therefore shes wants to do well and will therefore easily relate). Peter's meme about leaving the test page blank is unrelatable to her situation).
Glow:
Yours was a great way to emphasize as it provides her w a very relatable meme/situation. Funny rpo-style.
thus more harmonic to her situation and lifting her smile. peters choice is... quirky-odd.
 

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And what is the subcommunication of this soft close?

You should take a break from all that study and have a little break with a handsome hot guy.

Is it not, "wanna fuck?"

The problem wasn't WHAT he soft closed with. it was that he soft closed in the first place, when he shouldn't have cuz her previous behavior indicated that it was gonna backfire (ignored his 2nd text, took a day to get back to him), and instead build rapport with her. which is what everyone here is saying. Only you (who don't field test memes cuz you think they're try hard using your girl as an example (girls don't know how to meme, if you didn't know, man. You know I ignore my girl's retarded text message jokes too, right?) don't think a meme can start this process.

no shit.

Velasco:

Glow:


You should take a break from a study and "take a little break with a handsome hot guy", = subcommunication i would like to see you again and get to know you and even the massage would work IN THAT CONTEXT...

vs...

Girl that just gave anti slut defense for the 50 th time.... with low investment who JUST REJECTED SEX, hey take a relaxing break with a massage as a soft close was OFF, massage = intimate touching dude... (i use massages a lot as soft close with high investment girls that HAVE NOT GIVING ME ASD and gotten laid, the dude with pwf goes step farther with booty massages)....

dude, do you know 99.9999999999999% of my lays are text related, when i didn't pull and online?

most of your lays come from ONS...
 

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Yes guys. I was very impatient with her. Actually contrary to what you said, alot of my texting was, atleast intentionally, to show empathy for her. I texted her good morning to not make her feel used, i text her how the mid terms are going. All to show her that there is no need to feel ashamed, it's all cool, i'm not a dickhead. Maybe alot of the texts were garbage, but i just tried bringing her joy in a stressful time. Also ya, the massage text was trash.

I was very impatient with her but honestly she has been unresponsive and aloof over text since we were together only dropping a text a day and idk it just messed with my brain like @Skills says with girls who are weird interested, it's like, my dick was right on top of her pussy and didn't let it in and now i'm just desperate to get a second time where i can successfully put it in.

@Glow i sent the message you wrote about being sorry for being insensitive. I didn't ignore her resistance to sex, what do you mean? Do you mean as in my lack of empathy in my follow-ups? When i sent her the goodmorning text and she said "hi :)" should i ask her how her sleep was? Idk

Honestly a sticking point i probably have is i put wayyyyyyyyyy too much mental energy into this sort of stuff. I never showed this girl lack of empathy except my texts were clumsy. I did an A-fucking-job when i was with her in person and very attentive to how she was feeling and showing plenty of empathy. I kissed her 2 seconds after she swallowed my load and cuddled with her for over half an hour and when she said how "What the hell even just happened and stuff" i told her how she did nothing wrong and it is perfectly natural to give into your desires and you shouldn't be ashamed for it and blah blah blah. It seems we are back to the 80/20 rule again. 20% of what i can control is giving me 80% of the mental stress. There is so little i can move over text with most of the job being done in person and here i am overthinking what text to send and why she isn't texting me back. Waste of my time. That time is better spent in other productive endeavours like generating more leads. Didn't know one text message could crash and burn the whole thing because i said she needed a relaxing massage hahaha. Jesus christ ok.


I went on a date Thursday with a girl and yesterday we were texting:

And i just hit her with "Yes, checks out. I do not want platonic friendship" and either A) she says "Haha okay :)" and i can push forward or B) she ghosts or says "It was nice knowing you". Either way i win. It was so liberating to just let bullshit fall to the ground instead of catching it mid-air and trying to make something of it. Not trying to produce the perfect text message in response and do this and that re-frame and invest sooooo much energy in changing the mind of a girl saying she just wanna be friends and just letting that noise go to hell and focus on other women who aren't saying they wanna be friends. To just cut bait and run. It actually felt good, like a burden being lifted from your shoulders. You don't have to worry about that nope you can just chill and do other stuff.

I feel the same here. I shot off the message @Glow wrote and then i'll just leave it at that. It's too tiresome jerking off the same, non-compliant girls instead of just starting over fresh.


exactly by the way your texting is not bad, again the weird onitis causing types cause unpatience.... i made a million mistakes to my now main, it was even stressful at times, is the MILD ONITIS, but i am just pointing out, mistakes here and there for next time...

and yes the structure is not meant to be as BULLET PROOF TEXTING, is meant to be as INCREASE ODDSS TEXTING..
 

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Skills, so your saying that if instead of soft closing with massage, he'd instead say your text

How did those midterms go?
Well, they're not really over yet...but stressful
You should take a break from all that study and have a little break with a handsome hot guy.

it'd had worked out for him? a girl that gave him ASD and ignored his previous txt message?

OR was more the issue that he went for the soft close on a girl that was in low investment (his comment above says he didn't know she was low investment, that's why I don't blame him for his lack of experience). and instead should have upped her investment (as all of us have all agreed with lol), THEN gone for the soft close?
again the weird onitis causing types cause unpatience..
the elephant in the room is that his girl was going to travel outside of the country after her exams, so he wanted to close her this weekend. causing some of the impatience with his texts.
 

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Skills, so your saying that if instead of soft closing with massage, he'd instead say your text

How did those midterms go?
Well, they're not really over yet...but stressful
You should take a break from all that study and have a little break with a handsome hot guy.

it'd had worked out for him? a girl that gave him ASD and ignored his previous txt message?

OR was more the issue that he went for the soft close on a girl that was in low investment (his comment above says he didn't know she was low investment, that's why I don't blame him for his lack of experience). and instead should have upped her investment (as all of us have all agreed with lol), THEN gone for the soft close?

the elephant in the room is that his girl was going to travel outside of the country after her exams, so he wanted to close her this weekend. causing some of the impatience with his texts.


Exactly, and oh fuck i miss that, traveling shit! faceplam to me....
 

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Okay so status so far:

Me: Hey, i realise ive been a bit insensitive here, sorry. Any thing i can do to help w the exam stress?
Her: I mean if you want to write a 5page paper on Wedding gifts haha
but seriously, I think I’ll manage, thanks
Something funny to go with the first text. And then i ask her when she's leaving. I just don't know what. Was thinking
"Is funny, i have one from 6th grade if you want. When do you leave the country?" But idk
 

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Again I think you have this laser focus on logistics and banging and are oblivious to not having established rapport yet.

Going back to the meme, frankly I think it was a boring one. It wasn't cute, sexy or easily relatable, and you did not invite a response the way @Velasco did. Everything should be personal and tailored for her, reminding her that you are talking to her and her specifically. The meme came across like an attempt to elicit a response of any kind.

Going over the texts so far, the only positive responses came to the 'good morning' and the latest one verbalizing sympathy. She is obviously needing someone to empathize and be warm to her, stressed as she is. So give it to her.

But you are in no way clear yet. Your 'credit' is well in the negative and this is no time to pull the trigger and start throwing logistics questions at her. Just be nice for a few days, think about what she told you about herself and remind her why you like her and use it to build rapport with warm banter. Then start to ease into showing a bit of intent when things are flowing easily.

I don't think you realize how much failing to close the deal has made her go cold (not to mention the texts) and throwing yourself at any opening she gives won't do the trick any more, if it ever did. This is going to need better than average game.

Her last response, in my opinion, seems less than enthusiastic and bordering on politeness, but it is an opening you can possibly use if you prepare things properly and with patience.
 

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back off a little bit and take the pressure off. but also try to get into really quick texting with her - like where the replies are instantly. Best time is in the evening to try to accomplish this. Keep it conversational with an adventurous imaginative theme

The quick texting is a prerequisite for taking advantage of the next thing: getting her on the phone and reseducing her

Ask for some polite social help before she goes on vacation "hey i need your help with something real quick" She replies and then you call her instantly. This is discussed by chase here
 

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Okay since we already jived that she was a sorceress i could say "You're a badass sorceress, you got this one no problem. Just a lil magic and it's there."
 

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I dont think you will get a response with that statement, especially without a question at the end. Not enough compliance from her right now

Its imaginative, yes. BUT when i say an imaginative adventurous theme, i mean something serious and not banter-y or witty. ie what is the first thing she will do when she goes on vacation? How it will feel to finally let go after all that exam stress?

Ya know?
 

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I would suggest also talk about yourself, something fun you did or that happened to you, so she can see you've got a fun life going on.

In Chases texting article you can see how he emphasizes leading the text with something about yourself. It changes the tone from chasing to offering/sharing.
 

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Okay since we already jived that she was a sorceress i could say "You're a badass sorceress, you got this one no problem. Just a lil magic and it's there."

wish her luck for the test however you want to do it, then leave her alone till after the test... ping her after the tests...
 

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She leaves after the test... Right after midterms. Should i set up a meet before that or wait until she gets back home? I think she's gonna be gone until summer

Me: You're a bad ass sorcerer, you got it no problem
Me: When are you leaving the country? :)
Her: End of next week, right after mid-terms
 

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Was thinking "Is gonna be so nice to relax at home with family and friends after exam stress... How long are you in Latvia for?" and then go down the route of what @fog said about what she's gonna do over there and how nice it will be to let go of the stress for a while and then at a high point maybe ask her to meet up before she goes.
 

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just ask her

prob a good idea if you wanna pass on that particular subject ;) You wanna be left alone until the exam?
 

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just ask her

prob a good idea if you wanna pass on that particular subject ;) You wanna be left alone until the exam?
What's a good idea to pass on the subject? Going back home for a while?
 

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What I would text is:

"Haha looks like I'll be hiring you if I ever need advice on choosing a wedding gift ;) .. what's the first thing you'll do to celebrate smashing all these exams?"

1. Refer to what she said in a slightly teasy way
2. Reject the frame of you doing her homework, instead imply she can do something for you, also imply that you and weddings don't have a lot in common while complimenting her on her expertise.
3. Change subject to something more fun that riffs off that and leads toward the date - all this bargaining is wearing the convo thin
4. Keep it lighthearted, simple and non needy, talk about stuff you want to talk about (i.e. fun and celebrations) not her boring exams
 

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I like glow suggestion, polarize her to make a decision in or out, just like beam in the age post, the exam is just an excuse there may be other factors, the onitis I had was taking test and working women need breaks from studying and a 5 page paper doesn't take long... ask her straight up, would like to see me before you leave? And fuck it., in or out she ain't asking for advice in a female forum, as I told you I was asking women with screen shots about my current main and after I sent the I will be at the club if you want to pass by and she gave me shit answer I went radio silence, now discussing this with her she told me she actually wanted but had plans, and she re engage me after.
 
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