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Smith

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Just got home from a 6 hours bus ride. Sit next to a cute girl who happened to be a dancer.
Started a conversation soon after I sit next to her.
Talked for about 40 mins, then the conversation ended partly because I was tired. she was talking about 70% of the time. But she wasn't making eye contact with me most of the time. Just looked straight ahead and talked.
Then during the afternoon tea break, which was 30 mins.
I sit alone at a booth for about 5-10 mins.
She walked up to me with her food and sit down opposite me.
She seemed warmer, more relaxed and lively than she was on the bus.
I think being on the bus makes people uncomfortable.
We had a fun conversation for about 20 mins. During which, I dropped a sexual innuendo, which she just looked down and didn't respond, so I decided to dial it back down. It wud have been better if we exchanged numbers here, but I hesitated.
We kept talking for about 5 mins after we got back on the bus, then suddenly the bus driver decided to play a movie for us, which has never happened the last 3 years I've been traveling with this bus company. And it ended our conversation.
TWO movies were played, and when the movies finished, I estimated that I have about 20-30 mins left.
After some small talk about the movie, she started to dive deeper herself without me asking.
I related to her awkwardly. Still need to work on this. sometimes I missed an opportunity to relate.
my mouth was getting dry and my voice wasn't that good in the end.
Exchanged number before I had to get off.
But thinking back to a few months ago, I couldn't even start a conversation with a girl on a bus. Now it seems easy. Doesn't really matter what u say to open.
I also just realized even though this girl talked a lot, I never really relate or feedback to her EMOTIONALLY, which was not good. That's why I felt like our connection wasn't as good.

As I got off the bus, saw this really HOT...sorry I mean really cute girl at the bus stop and she was my type! God! I hoped my mum's not here to pick me up yet.
I thought she might be waiting for someone on the bus, but she wasn't
I saw her looking my way as I walked towards her. I checked my fundamentals and made eye contact with her for 2 seconds, but broke it first and slowly walked past her.
I stopped and stood a few meters next to her.
Just as I was about to open her indirect direct with a pretty funny opener.....I saw my mum's car approaching....fk.....
I put my stuff into the back of the car and was disappointed.
This girl kept looking around, which I was sure she was waiting to be opened.
Next time this happened, my mum will just have to wait while I talk to her (soz mum!). Hope our paths cross again....

Now I remembered a quote from Steve Jobs - "Remembering you're going to die one day is the best way to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You're already naked. No reason to follow your dream"


1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and don't jump topics too soon, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

Smith

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Went to the mall today to meet some girls. On my way there, I realized that the mall is actually a pretty bad place to meet women who are alone. Most of them will be with their friends and bfs, but regardless I'm gonna try anyway.
And I was right. Hard to find girls who are alone.
I talked to the ones that are alone. They're either married or have a bf.
One girl's bf walked in 30 seconds after I opened her lol. So fellas, never leave your girl alone when she's out shopping.
There was also another girl that I was about to open, but then she walked towards a guy who was standing right next to me lol.
I'll be pretty shocked if the guy's her bf....
It made me think how nice it would be to have a gf so I don't have to keep juggling all this stuff, but then realize that I won't settle for anything less.
Sometimes I wonder how people actually meet each other and date then have a monogamous relationship.
My mum was telling me in the car that I should make more female friends in the university because it's so much harder to meet new people when you graduate uni, and one of those female friends might become your gf lol. No thanks mum. I have a better idea ;)
Only exchanged numbers with a girl I met today. She was pretty young, only 17. She seemed shy and didn't talk much, but I've learned that even the ones that don't talk much might still be interested. So I had to carry most of the conversation. When her bus is about to arrive, she looked at me expectantly. I took that as a signal to exchange numbers and pulled out my phone for her to type in her number.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and don't jump topics too soon, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

Smith

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was driving home from gym. Saw this girl walking on the sidewalk. Parked my car a bit further ahead of her. My heart suddenly started racing, but calmed myself down. She walked past my car and I saw her face. She wasn't that cute tbh. But I'm just gonna do it anyway for experience.
Got out of my car and ran up to her. I told her exactly what happened, and she seemed to like it.
She was in her lats year of high school. HS girls don't seem to know how to have a conversation or something, but I think I could've done more cold reads and teased her more since that's what most teenagers do right?
 

Smith

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Went on a date today with the high school girl from a few days ago. Was planning to get her to my car where I can escalate, but didn't know she only had an hour.
I also found it hard to relate to her or I didn't try hard enough. She also doesn't seem to understand or relate to what I was saying. So the connection just wasn't there.

After the date, the mall was about to close, but I needed to meet some new girls. Stayed home yesterday is making me slow.
The first girl I opened - not that cute, but there wasn't many people in the mall.
I asked too many questions, and didn't relate.

Second girl - she went into the pharmacy. I wasn't gonna wait for her to come out, so I went in and open her situationally with a question. But we were interrupted by the staff who was asking the girl if she needs any more help (apparently, she was here just before). And that kinda ended things.

Lately, I've learned some new techniques on conversation and I think that actually prevented me from doing well because I'm getting stuck in my head trying to apply those technique and not be in the moment. Need to remind myself that it has to come naturally. Forcing it makes everything worst.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

Smith

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Man...not in the mood for this shit anymore.
Went to the mall today. exchanged numbers with 2 girls. One was working at a phone case store. Had to pretend I was interested in the stuff she was selling. Deep dived her and she was telling me a lot about herself. Proposed to get coffee with her and she agreed then we exchanged numbers. However, I'm leaving on Sunday, so I texted her if she's free tomorrow for coffee after she replied to my icebreaker text. So far no reply... I knew I should've set up the date first while exchanging numbers. Usually I would wait a day to ask a girl out, but I was running out of time....
ME: "Glad to have met you =) Smith"
Her: "nice to meet you too"
Me: "shall we grab that coffee tomorrow?"

I don't know what's happening to me recently. I'm getting needy and desperate. I'm getting kinda busy and stressed with my study, and I think to myself "man I barely have time to meet new women on the streets now...wish I have a gf so I don't have to keep juggling all this stuff".

I also think I've been thinking too much about the girl I met at the art gallery. It doesn't matter if I go out and meet more women. When I come home, I just miss her. Fk...Being stuck in this limbo at another city away from her is bad. Even though she already told me that we'll meet up when I come back. I still feel so fking insecure.....I haven't texted her or heard from her since our last phone call almost one and a half weeks ago.
I was planning to call her when I get back on sunday, but I couldn't resist so I called her tonight (just once, although at 11.15pm, a bit late) and no one answered.
I'm not gonna negatively jumped to conclusion. Maybe she was already asleep or testing me.
Maybe being radio-silent for one and a half week was a bad idea?
At 11.50 pm, I couldn't sleep and I wanted to call her again. My neediness was off the roof. To remedy this, I call 3 other random girls in my phone, and none of them picked up lol I feel a little bit better for some reason.
Then I called my best female friend because I wanted to talk to someone about this. had to call twice because she was alseep. I felt bad about this so I let her go back to bed. I asked her what time she went to bed and she said 10pm. I was surprised she went to bed so early, but at the back of my mind, I was kinda relieved. Some girls do sleep early.
Anyway, after my needy rampage, I finally calmed down and I'm thinking logically. I'm sooo glad I didn't keep calling her haha
I reminded myself that this is not black and white, or life and death - chill out. It's only one missed phone call.
I keep thinking to myself that I'll be okay without her, and reminded myself what I read from Chase's article on chasing.

"Don't chase women. It deprives you of opportunities to meet other women who are actually interested you, and it wastes your time, which is the most precious, valuable, finite resource you've got. There's one other reason to completely remove women from your life that it isn't going anywhere with: your ability to get new girls while they're still around is crippled. you'll do far worse at meeting new women when you're stuck spinning your mental wheels on some old one you can't let go. You're duller, slower, less certain, and less determined."
 

BarryS1

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Smith said:
I also think I've been thinking too much about the girl I met at the art gallery. It doesn't matter if I go out and meet more women. When I come home, I just miss her. Fk...Being stuck in this limbo at another city away from her is bad. Even though she already told me that we'll meet up when I come back. I still feel so fking insecure.....I haven't texted her or heard from her since our last phone call almost one and a half weeks ago.
I was planning to call her when I get back on sunday, but I couldn't resist so I called her tonight (just once, although at 11.15pm, a bit late) and no one answered.
I'm not gonna negatively jumped to conclusion. Maybe she was already asleep or testing me.
Maybe being radio-silent for one and a half week was a bad idea?
At 11.50 pm, I couldn't sleep and I wanted to call her again. My neediness was off the roof. To remedy this, I call 3 other random girls in my phone, and none of them picked up lol I feel a little bit better for some reason.
Then I called my best female friend because I wanted to talk to someone about this. had to call twice because she was alseep. I felt bad about this so I let her go back to bed. I asked her what time she went to bed and she said 10pm. I was surprised she went to bed so early, but at the back of my mind, I was kinda relieved. Some girls do sleep early.
Anyway, after my needy rampage, I finally calmed down and I'm thinking logically. I'm sooo glad I didn't keep calling her haha
I reminded myself that this is not black and white, or life and death - chill out. It's only one missed phone call.
I keep thinking to myself that I'll be okay without her, and reminded myself what I read from Chase's article on chasing.

Hey Smith I know where you are coming from here. Seems like you've been on a consistent approaching rampage and been getting lot of numbers. I can tell you are rolling hot right now and approaching a lot, but sometimes its hard to keep excitement in check.

Anatman did an article about this on the site about being addicted to approaching and turning into a horndog: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-get-laid-college-pt-i-big-man-campus-game. Its under the tab challenges of BMOC.

Don't change anything man! Just keep approaching like mad until something comes up in your life - don't stop it artificially. Don't take a break when you've made all these gain.

That's interesting you handle the urge, mine is different. I am calming down from a recent rampage and opened up my facebook again and started looking at pics of girls I added years ago.
 

Smith

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Hey Smith I know where you are coming from here. Seems like you've been on a consistent approaching rampage and been getting lot of numbers. I can tell you are rolling hot right now and approaching a lot, but sometimes its hard to keep excitement in check.

Anatman did an article about this on the site about being addicted to approaching and turning into a horndog: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-g ... ampus-game. Its under the tab challenges of BMOC.

Yes just read it! It makes a lot sense. sometimes I get too needy/thirsty and outcome dependent with certain girls, and I get antsy when I stop meeting new girls for one day lol.

Don't change anything man! Just keep approaching like mad until something comes up in your life - don't stop it artificially. Don't take a break when you've made all these gain.

That's interesting you handle the urge, mine is different. I am calming down from a recent rampage and opened up my facebook again and started looking at pics of girls I added years ago.

Thanks for the advice! I will keep at it until exams come up.
I just recently deleted everything on my fb, including all the pics and stuff lol The only reason I didn't want to deactivate it is cuz our class fb page shares answers for tests and assignments. But looking back and some of my older posts from 2 years ago whining about some girl was really pathetic lol. wished I could go back and slap myself in the face.

Cheers
- Smith
 

Smith

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I'm so fking frustrated right now.....
I think I lost the art gallery girl....FOR FUCK SAKE...if I didn't have to go away for a week, we would have met up...I think the attraction has expired...Life can really fucking intervene with u sometime...
I called her at 9.30pm. No one answered, so I waited 30 mins then called again. No one answered.
So I texted her around 10.05pm. tried to keep it warm and nonchalant.
"Hey XX, hope you had a great weekend =) Just got back today. Started on those wine for tonight yet?" (she told me she drinks wine every night)
This is pissing me off so bad.....especially when I thought this was gonna go somewhere....
But I need to accept that she might be gone now.

I'm getting needy and desperate....I can tell my energy was wrong when I meet new girls. I can just feel it.

Anyway, in the afternoon, I went out to meet some new girls hoping to take my mind off her.
For some reason, I couldn't keep my mind off her. My vibe was just neutral. I hate to admit this, but I took the first rejection personally, then I realized what I was doing and cut it off.
First girl - thought I had good rapport and banter with her, but she still didn't wanna exchange number. I tried too hard to relate in the beginning.

Second girl - thought I had already opened her, so I went in assuming familiarity but that went wrong lol

3rd girl/4th girl - I knew they looked like tourists, so I wanna practice. They were in the information center. So I followed them in. One girl was asking something at the counter. Other girl (the cute one) was checking out some brochure. Opened the cute one first. didn't really state my intent (an important mistake). So I ended up giving them some recommendations for restaurants and stuff. When the other girl came to join us, I ask for her name and started to chat with her just for a bit, then the cute girl started 'cockblocking'. She suddenly said "we have to go now". That was unexpected

5th girl - I froze up after I complimented her. My heart just wasn't in it.....even though she was ok.

I need to push through this phase!! Come on!! I can fking do this!

sidenote: an interesting thing happened when I went to watch a cultural show tonight lol. There were about 200 people there, I could see probably at least 5-6 girls I have opened on the street LOL But that didn't really bother me. Nothing awkward happened. Good thing I went with a female friend. I was planning to go alone but changed my mind.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Smith

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LR: Shy excited Thai girl

Can't believe it happened for me today. Same day lay from street to bed ;)

I had about an hour break in the morning, so I used that time to meet new women. I was trying hard to get over the art gallery girl. Can't even remember the girls I opened, but one that particularly stood out was this girl who told me she's not looking for anything but she appreciated the compliment and said to me 'good luck out there!" lol. This is the second time a girl has said that to me. A little bitterness started to arise in me, but I fought it hard. told myself that at least I made her day.
Then I bumped into this girl I went on a date with a few months ago, but she disappeared when I got back from semester break. i wasn't sure it was her, so I preopend her and she immediately recognized me. The conversation was a little awkward. Then she told me she lost all her contacts and asked me if I had texted her. At the back of my mind, I thought "Really? another case of life intervenes?" told her 'yea, a couple of times".

Then I went back to class and had lunch to catch up with my friends. I was thinking about just going home and go to the gym, but I wanted to meet more girls. My ego was building up this negativity in my head about how small this town is and how I'm running out of options. I ignored it. Then walked to the city centre, and saw these two girls sitting by themselves. I hesitated and saw another cute girl walking past, so I decided to go meet her instead, but I lost her when she turned right into a building. I walked back and still saw those two girls sitting there. One was cute. I steadied my breath and focus on my breathing as I walked towards them. They couldn't hear what I was saying, but I was sure that my voice was good. The cute one's english wasn't that good. After a bit of banter between the two girls, I focused on the cute girl. I have to say....They were REALLY shy. Their voice were so quiet....If I didn't have more experience, I would've just left, but I stayed and started to warm her up. I barely talked to the other girl and I felt bad, but I still kept focusing the conversation on the cute girl. Apparently, she got dumped by her bf (of two months) last week, and told me she's looking for a new bf. A hint maybe?
There were some silences in the conversation but that's because she dropped the ball. Thank god I'm already used to this kinda tension, so I sit there comfortably waiting for her to re-engage, and she did. After about 30 mins, the other girl has to leave to catch a bus. The cute girl asked me if I wanna come. I said "that depends...how far is the bus stop?"
She said "not far". I told her "Okay let's go"
After we walked for about 30 seconds, the other girl said "Actually I can just walk to the bus stop myself. U guys can..."
wow, am I hearing this right? she's helping me.
i said nothing and just smiled. The cute girl acted shocked and they started to whisper something to each other. To be honest, I didn't really care.
After her friend left, she asked me what we shud do, I suggested us to get coffee.

As we get to the cafe, I asked her what she would like, she told me to choose. I suggested cappuccino and she gladly accepted.
I paid for both of us simply because it was smoother this way and it's cheap. when she wanted to pay me back, I was very nonchalant and told her not to worry about it.
This is where things got interesting. When the coffee arrived, I played around with it and saw her mirroring my movement and gave me a sexy eye contact and smile. Oh it's on! ;)
I dial up the sexuality and thought about sexual thoughts. I played around with her hand and she was playing with mine. Not much conversation was going. She was really quiet. The sexual tension was building up. We were staring deeply into each other's eye while the kids at the next table was playing and screaming. It was really funny and we both laughed. After the parents and the kids at the next table left, the cafe was just the two of us. She suddenly told me she had one gf back in Thailand.
I smiled sexily....and touched her arm
Me: "haha really? that's awesome"
her eyes light up.
I deep dived her about her sexuality and dropped some sexual innuendo.
I motioned her to lean in closer because I don't want the dude at the counter to hear this.
Me: "so you're telling me you prefer...sausages now?"
She laughed and looked down shyly.
After a while, I switched back to normal conversation.
she still hasn't even touched her coffee. I asked her if she's gonna finished that, she looked reluctantly.
This reminded of a date I had before, I'm not gonna make the same mistake waiting for her to finish her coffee. So I told her "let's go for a walk"
Her: "but it's so cold out there"
So we left, and I felt bad for the guy at the counter who made the coffee lol She only took one sip.
She wasn't wearing any stockings (funnily after we slept together, I saw her wearing stockings. Where the hell did they come from?)
I insisted that we go for a walk to the train station nearby, where it's pretty isolated.
so we were holding hands as we walk, and she leaned in closer to me at times telling me she's cold.
I was planning to go inside the train station, but as soon as I walked in, I saw this girl I opened early today sitting on a bench by herself. lol.
I quickly turned around and suggested we sit on the ground outside where it's sunny and warm.

We sit close together and my arm around her. I started to deep dive her about her past and stuff and brought the mood back up at times.
she's only 16 and both her ex gf and ex bf were in their 20s. She showed me her ex gf, who's actually pretty cute lol.
After joking around with her about her phone case, I showed her my phone.
Her: "so do you wanna exchange number?"
Me: "yea sure"
As I unlocked my phone, I saw a text from the art gallery girl who didn't return my text and call yesterday - "sorry I just got my phone back"
I ignored it, and typed in the cute girl's number. I gave her a miss call so she has my number. I saw her didn't bother saving it, so I didn't save hers as well.

I also sprinkled a bit of sexual talk in between. I manhandle kissed her with a quick peck and she kissed me back.
Me: "do you know what's the Thai kiss?"
she smiled
Her: "yes"
Me: "so what is it?"
Her: "hahaha"
Me: "I only know the French kiss. u know what that is right?"
she shaked her head and smiled shyly.
Her: "no?"
I acted shocked and surprised, and she laughed.
Her: "why did you decide to talk to me?"
I paused
Me: "because you had that sad look in your eyes and i wanted to cheer you up"
Her: "really? did I look sad?"

As the conversation kept going, I almost missed the next escalation window.
She asked me where I live, and I told her it's not far from where she works. (It's actually a little bit far haha)
then I asked her where she lives, she told me at the south of the city, which is actually a lot further.
As we started to talk about something else, I can see her starting to go cold. I pondered about this, and realized what I just missed.
I got up and told her "let's go"
Her: "are we going to your place?"
Me: "yes"
Then we hold hands and started walking. Bantering and relating to her as we walk.

She kept saying it's far, but I just played it cool and told her we're almost there.
As soon as we got to my place, she said there's something in her eyes and wanted me to close the curtains.
oh now it's really on ;)
The room is now dark except the light coming from my laptop screen. I just relaxed, turned on the music then sit next to her on my bed.
I pulled her in and kissed her immediately. Then I laid her down, and started escalating.
She was kissing me passionately. But physically blocking me from taking off her top and her shorts, and told me 'no' when my hand went close to her pussy.
I didn't let it bother me and kept making out with her. I lost track of time here, so I didn't really know how long we made out before she started to take off her bra.
She wouldn't let me do it lol she moved my hand away when I wanted to take it off for her. Instead, she wanted to take it off herself. Interesting.
Her hands were going down my jean and playing with my dick a little too hard that it was hurting me lol I didn't say anything.
She asked me if she could give me a bj. lol sure. I didn't wanna blow too early, so I stopped her halfway through.
She got up to pee, so I laid on my bed and I was a bit scared that she's gonna put her bra back on.
But she didn't, she jumped back into bed with me and we started making out again.
She took my hand and put it inside her shorts. I tried to take off her short, but she would rather do it herself.
Then we started fking. She guided my cock into her pussy, and I used the adapted missionary position Chase mentioned. Putting my arms underneath her shoulder. She was moaning hard and we were sweating a lot. I was trying to adjust my climax to hers, but I think I came a bit too early, because I fingered her right afterwards and she orgasmed again. But hey! positive thinking! she probably orgasmed twice.
Then we laid there hugging each other quietly. I hold her close.
I was about to go for second round, but she told me she's tired.
I fingered her anyway, and she orgasmed pretty quickly. she bite my shoulder as she reached climax. I have a feeling this girl likes it really rough.
We laid there and made out until she told me she has to go to work. I got up and put on my pj and t shirt. My voice just got a whole lot sexier.
Maroon 5's new song 'Sugar' was playing in the background.
I walked to the window and pulled open the curtain a bit to see the view. She walked up behind me and hugged me. We kissed more and made out again on the bed.
Her: "Do you wanna see me again?"
Me: "hmm do u wanna see again?
Her: "haha I asked you first."
Me: "I asked you second."
She looked away
Me: "I think u wanna see me again"
Then we kept making out.

Her: "tell me something"
Me: "like what?"
Her: "anything"
Me: "you're adorable"
Her: "haha"
and she hugged me
Me: "now your turn"
Her: "haha no"
Me: "come on tell me"
after another four no's, she finally whispered to my ear....."I love you"
oh fk....
Me: "are you serious?" I blurted it out. But I think she didn't catch me saying this.
I collected myself as she looked at me
Me: "I think I'm falling for you too" (a response I've learned from my ex gf. A satisfying answer but not definite)
Then she hugged me again.

As we walked downstairs to the living room, she told me she forgot her jacket, so we walked back up to my room again.
Me: "I think u were using it as an excuse to come back up. didn't u?"
Her: "haha maybe?"
As we walked downstairs,
Her: "oh wait! I forgot something else"
Me: "haha"

After she left, I walked back to my room and turned on the light........I saw blood on my condom. My eyes widened.
There were blood on my bed and traces of it on my pillow.
Either this girl was still a virgin, or she was on her period....
I looked at my finger and there was some blood as well.
Oh well, it was worth it. I took out the bed sheet and the pillow case then put them into the washing machine.
Man, I'm starving.
That was an unexpected afternoon.
 

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I didn't meet new girls yesterday and today, but I've been seeing the Thai girl twice since monday. We had sex again the 2nd time, but no sex the 3rd time we met up.
She came to my place both times.
We didn't see each other yesterday, but she called me at night crying about missing home. I comforted her and brought up the mood. Before I went to bed, she texted me
Her: "<3"
Me: 'night =)"

Today, I thought we agreed on her coming over to stay the night, but something REALLY dodgy happened.
I texted her asking when she's coming over.
Me 8.15: "when you coming over?"
Her 8.28: "about 9.20?"
Her 8.30: "is it alirght?
Her 8.45: "..."
Me 8.47: "ok =) be careful. lot of drunks out there"
by 9.20pm, she still didn't come. I wasn't too worried because that's what girls do. they always show up late.
Her: 9.46: "still working =("
Me: 9.56: "haha ok hurry! I wanna take a shower ;)"
Her 10.37: "I finish work~"
Her 10.38: "I'm here
Her 10.38: "..."
Her 10.40: "I'm cold -.-"
Her 10.41: "..."
then she called me, but hung up
I walked downstairs and opened my door. No one was there. I walked out onto the street. Empty.
Me 10.41: "where are u lol
Her 10.42: "2 min"
Her 10.43 " talking with sis"
Me 10.43: -.-
Her 10.51: Sry na I hv work :(
I saw this, and I was pretty pissed. wtf. I thought u just finished work.
I called her, and tried to clear things up in a calm voice. She told me she has to work near me. Now I'm starting to wonder what the hell does a 16 year old have to do that's so urgent at 11pm? and what the hell is her fking job at 11pm?
Then she sensed that I couldn't understand her because of her english. she said she has to go but told me to wait 5 mins.
5 mins later. she texted me she's here.
I greeted her with warm and smile. Thinking everything was well.
She came upstairs to my room. we kissed, touched and hugged. She even grabbed my crotch knowing exactly what she was doing.
After 10 mins, she told me she has to work.
my face was filled with genuine curiosity.
Me: "where do u work?"
Her: "next door"
wtf?
Me: "there's nothing next door"
Her: "haha it's close. [house number]"
The house number is actually just a few dozen meters away.
NOW I'm really fucking confused....there are only normal flats around here, except a couple of motel....could this girl be a....NO WAY....
Me: "so r u gonna come back later?"
Her: "hmmm I'm not sure....3am?"
Me: "haha ok...r u sure ur not going out to party?"
she didn't answer this. Not sure if it's cause she didn't understand or what.
Then she hugged me and kissed me.
Her: "I"ll see you tomorrow morning. 8am?"
Fk...this is so confusing to me right now.....
Me: "haha sure. so early? you're gonna have to call me cuz I'm gonna be asleep."
Her: "yup ok. 6am"
Then she walked out of my room, stopped and turned around to look at me. I was not following her out.
Her: "yea ok"
Me: "Oh wait"
I put on my slipper, and walked her downstairs.
Then at the door.
Her: "tomorrow 6am."
Me: "haha u serious?"
Her: "yea"
Then she kissed me for goodbye.
After about 5 mins, my curiosity got the better of me. I went out and checked the house number she told me.
WTF, it's just a normal flat. I walked around and saw a house party that's about finished. Looked inside. Na she can't be here.
And that's it. there's nothing else around here except two motels......now my mind is really playing with me.
Either
1. she really has to work
or
2. she's a (fk...don't really wanna say this, but I think u get the idea. Maybe I'm being paranoid....)
or
3. she wants to hang out with friends, but lied to me about it.

Right there, I decided that I'm gonna keep a distance with this girl.
Personally, I'm quite hurt that she suddenly changed plans and she was really vague about her 'work'.
I guess it's back to the grind again. fk....so many tests and assessments to do as well.
I'm not gonna let her wake me up at 6am for sure...it's fking saturday.
Let me know what u guys think about this.
 

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I've been spending less time on meeting new women, but I'm still going to squeeze it in whenever I can. Uni is getting busier.
And I'm still seeing the Thai girl. For some reason, she's reluctant to try new sex position. Any ideas how to persuade or lead her during sex?

Yesterday, I went out and met one girl. The interaction was pretty good.
I spoke slow and calm, but with a little bit of intrigue in my facial expression.
I didn't worry about thinking of the right thing to say. Just follow the flow and relate to her.
Propose a coffee date (although still need to work on making it smoother during the conversation) and exchanged number. 10 mins later got a short reply for my icebreaker text.
an hour later, I went to the library. I was listening to my music and at the library entrance, I think she saw me coming before I saw her, because I saw her turned around talking on a phone then hid behind a cardboard poster. lol.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

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One girl yesterday. She was immediately hooked after my opener.
One thing that I could've done better is relating. I kinda fumbled my words in the end, after we exchanged numbers....not exactly the kinda good end I wanted.
She was enthusiastic when I suggested let's get drinks sometimes, and after we exchanged numbers, she's keen to show me some of the art works she has done.
I decided to set up a date that day during text, but she told me she's tied up till next monday. I felt like pushing for it, but decided to just wait till next week.
Me 1.33pm: "Glad to have met a passionate artist =) Smith"
Her 2.51pm: "hahaha call me designer instead"
Me 4.20pm: "haha sounds professional! let's figure out a time to grab that drink. What's ur schedule like?"
Her 4.40pm: "hahaha cuz I study to become designer not an artist thats why. well I'm pretty tight up till next mon. Assignment time for us. Pretty frustrated"
Me 6.04pm:" haha that's cool! I like girls who know what they want to become! Well no worries. Let's check in next week =)"
Her 6.11pm: "haha ok"
Her 6.18pm: "well I guess peopel should know what they want to b and what they r good at. otherwise there is no direction for life. that is probably a big issue lol"
I didn't expect this lol I wanna leave the deep diving stuff till we meet up, but I don't wanna miss this chance to build some connection.
Me 7.27pm : "Yea good that u got it figured out! took me a few months of travelling to find it but it was defintiely fun haha so did you always wanna be a designer? or did u secretly wanna be a spy?"
Her 7.34pm: "I wanted to be an artist at the start but my teacher told me that my style is better at desgin. It will further my career better than art. so yea that was my beginning."
Me 8.15pm: "and now ur on ur way to become a world class designer! u got me intrigued. gotta show me ur style one day :)"
Her 9.12:" haha sure. I'll show u my latest book"
Wasn't sure whether I should just leave it at that, but I don't want her to auto-reject.
Me 10.38pm: "haha sounds good! good night"

Then today, I wasn't really motivated to meet new girls, but pushed myself to do it anyway. I'm aiming for high quality interactions now.
First one - have a bf.
Second one - didn't tell me she has a bf until I suggested to hang out...not sure if it's because I kinda fumbled my words again in the end...arrrgh...so frustrating. Happened again. But I didn't relate as much for this one.

I've been seeing the Thai girl on the side now. The last relationship that I was kinda 'serious' with lasted less than a week lol. I still don't know what a relationship is suppose to be like.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

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Opened 5 ~6 girls yesterday. Opened 3 today.
One problem I ran into is that the girl walked too fast and their body weren't engaged in my opener.
I tried stopping in front of a few girls, but then they started to walk away as well.
No numbers from the last couple of days, but I'm not too worried about it. I NEED to keep reminding myself to enjoy talking to girls.

I feel like I need to cut my relationship with the Thai girl. Haven't seen her for 5 days, and I feel like I got a little needy over text in the last couple of days.
Usually she text me when she comes home from work every night. Yesterday, she suddenly stopped in the middle of our text message. I thought my text was alright.
After I told her I won some money today, she was telling me she lost her shoes.
Me 11.28: "anything awesome happened today?"
Her11.30: "I lost my shoe"
lol how is that awesome I thought
Me 11.34:" lol what happened?"
Her 11.36: " I forgot it in my car and now I can't find it -3-"
Me 11.42: "lol u shud come by scratchie with me next time"
Her 11.46: "buy me new shoes lol"
hmm that's asking for a little too much
Me 11.48: " lol only if the shoes r sexy"
Her 11.49: " -.-"
Me 11.59: "what kinda shoes do u like? sandals? lol"
No reply. that was uncharacteristic of her.
I got needy the previous night when I was texting her, so I thought she might've fall asleep or something.
The next morning, she still didn't text me.
Around lunch time I texted her
Me: "Hey cat (her nickname) I know we're both busy but u wanna stay over tonight? =) wud be nice to see each other"
No reply.
Thought about texting her again tonight, but then fk it. I have 2 tests next week.

I think this affected my game this afternoon because I was thinking about her. We agreed to give it a shot, but.....
Might be time to cut her out....even though I was hoping this wud turn into something serious.
I got no time if she wants to play games in a relationship.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

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So I broke things off with the Thai girl. Some shit went down on Saturday when I called her and a guy, who said is her bf, picked up the phone. I confronted her but she blocked my number. After I wrote a message to her on fb, she told me she's sorry and that guy is just a friend and she's not ready to get a new bf and she's leaving in Nov and might never come back. There was a loophole in her explanation. I didn't tell her that the guy told me he's her bf....and I didn't bother to ask her to explain why the guy claimed he's her bf because I wanted to believe she was telling the truth, even though I knew her reasons are probably excuses.... It still amazes me how girls can just suddenly go cold on you and leave without saying much. They can tell you how much they love you just the day before and leave you the next day (and block your number, like seriously, is that necessary? ) lol
Guess I just gotta accept this. This has really strengthened my emotional immunity. I'm more outcome independent now. I've accepted that women can leave any minute, so there's no point worrying about anything! Still love women though.

Sunday
Wasn't planning to meet new girls, but I had to buy groceries. So I went out with a messy hair thinking 'fk it'
As soon as I walked out, saw this girl with a striking dress walking pass.
We were walking the same direction.
Thought to myself " oh what the hell? might as well"
Can't even remember what I said to open her, but she was walking to a gathering. I told her I'll walk with her to check it out.
Build up rapport, banter and relate to her as we walk.
As we got closer to the party, I was trying to find words to ask for her number, but she beat me to it.
Her: "So text me if u wanna come later with ur friends"
Me: "yea sure"
then we exchange number
an hour later. I didn't go to the party, but texted her
Me: "glad to have met you =) Smith"
40 mins later
Her: "nice to meet you too =) anyway sorry for the late reply. I'll see u around =)"
Late reply? lol

Monday
First girl - screwed up. Didn't get her attention. She just kept on walking, and I got self-conscious delivering my opener as a guy walked past. THAT really screwed me up.
After my opener,
ME: "I'm smith"
Her: "I'm XX"
Then she looked down with her hair covering her face!!
Me: "Are u shy?" I said it with a cheeky smile.
Her: "I have to run"
Me: "oh ok"
Then she did a little jug. oh wow.

It was very windy and there weren't many people out.
Second girl -
My voice was too quiet and kinda shaky.
The conversation was Ok. Lack emotional spike. I couldn't understand her accent, so hard for me to use what she said to banter.

I went home and meditate for 15 mins. Then decided to go out again because I wanna practice my voice
Third girl -
Preopened her from the side then stopped in front of her.
Opener was slow and clear with a good vibe.
Build up some basic rapport, then she briefly mentioned her bf in China and how it's long distance
I wasn't gonna ask about her bf, but I want to know just a little bit basic info before I decide whether to proceed or not.
Me: "oh so how long have u guys been together?"
Her: "4 years"
She has been here for 3 years. I was amazed
Me: "That's amazing! I don't really like long distance because I found it really hard to make it work, but it seems like u guys r..." I put my thumbs up.
She smiled.
Then I immediately changed the topic. Some deep diving about her degree. A little bit of banter about sky diving and doing dangerous stuff. She seems like a homebody and stays home most of the time. Doesn't go out much and doesn't drink. No wonder that long distance relationship lasts that long.
Then I asked her out for coffee and she agreed. We exchanged numbers.
an hour later
Me: "glad to have met you =) smith"
10 mins later.
Her: "It was nice to meet you too =)"
Felt like I could've relate a bit more and should've created an 'us vs the world' frame with the sky diving banter. I'll remember that next time.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

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Sent a text last night to set up a date with the designer girl I met last week, but only got her reply early this morning. she said she can only do today, then she's going away for 2 weeks. I tried to reschedule, but today's the only time we can meet up. The timing is just crap. I only have a 3 hour lunch break, and minus one hour of getting about, I actually only have 2 hours. I wasn't dressed for a date. So I arrived a little bit late, but she arrived later.
DAMN, she was prettier than I remembered. Definitely one of the prettiest I've seen in real life.
she was on the phone and waved at me as she walked towards me.
I would put her as experienced and strong type of girl. Not the usual submissive type I'm used to date.
We ordered our coffee first and she found a table to sit down. You could tell she's just so used to be a leader.
So I started deep diving about her future, careers, and life ambitions.
I have to say. She's definitely one of the high caliber girls I have ever met. She knows what she want out of life, and actually takes action to get it.
I was a little bit intimidated, and I think that affected my game because I was not relaxed enough.
She told me about her exchange last year in Italy.
Me: "So I bet you had an Italian bf right?" (trying to take the conversation sexual)
Her: "Oh I have a bf!"
did...not...expect...that...
Me: "Oh really?"
Then she quickly added
Her: "but we're not together"
Not sure why she added that. It probably means it's long distance. Then she went on about how she likes to have her own space and be independent, then I qualified her on that. I didn't deep dive about their relationship.

We briefly touched on a sexual topic, when she told me she want to study her masters at San Franciso.
Me: "Oh really? did u know it's the gayest city in the world?" (trying to gauge her sexual openess)
Her: "haha really? Yes I'm definitely moving there! I'm gay!" (lol secretly hoping she was bisexual)
This is where I missed my opportunity to keep talking about sex. I got nervous and changed the topic. ARRGH.
I wished I had said this: "oh wow! how many girls have u kissed?" Damn it. I wasn't relax enough to think of this and deliver it.
There was also a mental block in my mind that she has a bf, I shouldn't do anything to her. This was also holding me back as well.

After about 30 mins. Her friend unexpectedly showed up, saying she forgot to get her number.
Then she invited her to sit with us.........I couldn't just say no....
After about 5 minutes of chit chat, she suggested us to grab lunch.
I hesitated for a few seconds. Wondering if it's worth it.....then decided why the hell not.
Her friend went to get her car, so we walked to the restaurant first. I tightened up my fundamentals.
As we're walking, she asked me where I live, and it turns out we live opposite each other. LOL.
She told me she always goes to her friend's place, which is next to my place, to drink and party. I still can't quite figure her out yet. She likes to party, yet she also works hard and have a good outlook on life. Really interesting.
I teased her about how loud they are and she laughed. (When she told me about the address, I started to wonder if she knew the Thai girl, since they're both thai and that address sounds familiar. I bet 95% they know each other. Not that it matters. well...it shouldn't)
We got to the restaurant and found a table. By this stage, I wasn't in the 'date' mood anymore.
Her friend showed up 20 mins later.
The conversation was so platonic, I felt like I'm slowly putting myself into the friend zone. With her friend's watching, I didn't dive too deep about certain topics like I usually do.
KEY POINT HERE: I still haven't touch her yet!!
yup I'm definitely heading to the friend zone.

The thing is, being around her is making me feel comfortable around REALLY pretty girls. I actually don't mind having a positive and ambitious girl like her as a friend.

After eating for 30 minutes, we decided to go.
As we walked out of the restaurant
Her: "It was really nice to meet you again today" smiled and looked at me from the corner of her eyes.
Me: "Yea" I reciprocated with the same expression.
She asked me if I wanted a ride. I thought about it and said 'yes'.
It was a short ride, and as the car stopped in front of my place. She pointed towards her friend's place.
Her: "thats my friend's place"
Me: "yup I knew it!"
Her: "hahaha"
Her: "which one do u live in?"
Me: "The middle one top floor. u can actually see it."
Her: "oh I see"
Me: "yea just yell at me when ur drunk"
Her: "haha yea I'll be like SMITH!!"
Me: "haha"
Her: "it was very nice seeing you. Let's keep in touch ok?"
Me: "sure. See ya"

After I got home, I remembered Chase's ACER test
Aloof - No
Compliance - well I didn't even had a chance to get her to invest much. So No.
Enthusiasm - hmmm. Yes.
Rude - No

So judging from this, I'm about 75% on my way to friend zone lol.

After about 20 mins, she texted me. Surprisingly.
Her 1.21 pm: " It's such a nice day, u shouldn't stay at homeeeeee"
Me 3.03 pm: "lol stuck in the clinic. daydreaming abt Italy and that desert!" (Shud've insert something a little sexual here like "daydreaming about Italy and Italian women" lol why do I only think of these things when I'm writing it.)
Her 3.06pm: "hahahaa lets make your daydream come true!"
Me 5.03pm "haha yup pack ur bags! we're flying first class to Italy tonight!" (same here. could've insert something sexual, but I couldn't think of anything that would sound natural and congruent, so I went for the adventurous and 'us vs the world' frame)
Thought she wasn't gonna reply, but she did.
Her 7.45 pm: "alright lets do it. I'll show u around Italy haha"
I stopped texting her because she told me she's drinking with her friends tonight to celebrate something.

I think I need to train myself to have sexual thoughts all the time, so it doesn't feel like I have to switch to a particular mode to be sexual.

Note: After hanging out with her, I don't feel intimidated by REALLY pretty girls, which is a good thing.
Things to improve
- Don't forget touch
- Train myself to get into a sexual state easily and automatically, so sexual frames come naturally.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

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didn't meet any new girls for the past 2 days because of tests. But I started reading The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, and so far I think it's amazing.
Even if you're not a spiritual person, I still think you can learn a lot out of this book.
It helps to improve your inner game, so that even if you're not getting results, you won't feel desperate or needy.
So for the past 2 days, I've been focusing on the concepts taught in this book. Focusing on the present moment. Learning to observe my mind and my emotion.
Now I don't feel like I have to do a whole lot of 'approaches' to get numbers and dates to make myself feel better. Getting girls start to feel secondary.

When the test finished today, I decided to go out and meet some girls. I want to test the strength of my inner game. (also checked the weather forecast - gonna rain and shit for the next 6 days. Great...)
First girl - wasn't in state. she literally ran away lol This is kinda like what happened last week or something. I always get this kinda reaction when I take a break for a couple of days and it was the first girl of the day.
My voice was too high, my vibe wasn't relaxed. Was a bit tensed.
I took special attention to my mind and I noticed that my mind started to put labels and judgements on myself - words like "you're a creep! that was awful" came up.
Remind myself to disidentify with my mind - You are not your mind!
Then focus on my body, which start to relax again.

Second girl - it was starting to drizzle. But opened her anyway.
It wasn't the best I've done, but it seemed to work ok. My body was still a bit tense during the interaction. Not FULLY in the moment. only about 90%.
We chatted, and I relate to her blah blah blah. One thing I should work towards to is to qualify girls better to show interests. Sometimes I feel like my intent is not clear.
At the high point of the conversation, I proposed a coffee date and she agreed. I pulled out my phone and exchanged numbers.
I think I was talking too much when she was typing in her number...it was like I was trying to compensate for something.
But I didn't walk away right afterwards. Chat for another minute then said I had to go.
Texted her an icebreaker 1.5hrs later. she didn't reply.
Oh well, not too worried. To be honest, I didn't even realize she didn't reply until about 5 hours later when I'm eating dinner. Probably because I was trying hard to focus on the present moment when I'm doing other things.

Third girl - my voice was getting better. A lot more relaxed. Guess I just needed to warm up.
She was 'out of words' when I complimented her lol
I made the mistake of asking her "You have to go right?"
Should have exchange names like I usually do. Otherwise, she seemed like she was going to stay and chat, but I gave her an easy way out.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

Smith

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Being super busy with uni.
My date flaked on me this morning saying she has to study for a test on Tuesday, so she asked if we could reschedule.
Of course, I told her no worries and asked her what her schedule's like next week.
Then she told me we could meet up tomorrow afternoon......I thought u have a test on Tuesday???? lol
I wanted to tease her about it but didn't want to risk it, so I just replied "sure! Let's meet at XX."
She didn't reply, but I won't think too much about it. She wanted to reschedule and she didn't confirm last time when we set up the date, so I'll just assume it's on. Maybe she's testing me. who knows. Focus on the present!

Went to the gym today. Thought about going home, take a shower and get changed to do some daygame, but saw some cuties on my way to the gym and on my way home.
My hair was messy. I wasn't looking great. But after a few cute girls walked past, I couldn't resist.
I've been practicing on being present. It does wonder to my fundamentals. I move a lot slower and relaxed. More aware of my thoughts and emotion.
So I really want to put this into practice. As I walked towards this girl, I focused my attention to my body and thoughts. Noticed a sudden intense feeling arise in me, but it disappeared as soon I was aware of it. I didn't try to calm myself down, just embraced it, accepted it and cleared my mind.
I was fully in the moment as I opened. She was really shy. I had carry most of the conversation. Trying to relate to her and banter with her. But up to a point, she still wasn't quite hooked, then I just felt like "u know what? never mind. this is not worth my time"
I knew if I kept going, I could probably reach the hook point, but I wasn't feeling it even though I knew more experience would never hurt. She was only Ok looking.
Looking back, I probably gave up too early and should have pushed on to gain more experience. Hell if I didn't push on two weeks ago, I would have never got my first lay.
I guess I was being lazy but I wanted to be more efficient with my time these days. (just read this sentence, and realized how silly it was. It was an excuse for being lazy and now I'm just laughing at myself for how smart I am to justify my laziness. Being clever can hurt you sometimes. )
As I got home, I felt like studying instead of going out to meet new girls. It was a good decision. Didn't realize how much shit there is to study for a test next friday until now.
Becoming a seducer is such a vague goal. I want to be more specific.
I'm changing my goal to become a seducer to just a guy who loves and appreciates women and can give them amazing experience while not afraid to go for what he wants in life.
Becoming present and freeing myself from my mind is my primary goal now.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

Smith

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Thought my date flaked on me today. I texted her when I arrived outside the cafe, but she didn't reply. Thought about going in to check if she's there, but then I thought "na, she wud've replied me if she's inside", and I don't wanna go in there sitting down alone. So I waited outside for 15 mins. No reply and she hasn't showed up.
Oh well...so I decided to walked around to meet some girls
1st girl
She didn't seem interested, and I was just starting to warm up. I got hung up on topics - a mistake that happens a lot lately, but I'm working towards removing it.

2nd girl
I was sitting down and she was walking past me. We made eye contact at the same time. Alright, now I gotta meet her.
Voice was good, but I think I wasn't relating enough in the conversation and she wasn't quite hooked. Should have move her or get her to invest. I think I also got hung up on topics that she wasn't interested in.
I literally hesitated for a few seconds when I was asking for her number. Big mistake it was. she hesitated to give me her number. I knew I was fucked. The number is sure gonna flake.
She probably gave it to me just so it didn't end awkward.
I'm trying a different icebreaker text: "Hey XX =) it's Smith. save my number"
No reply

3rd girl
she was wearing headphones and a hoodie. She's from Saudi Arabia, but she didn't look like it. She said her english isn't that good.
The interaction was fun and relaxed. I asked her out at high point of the conversation and she said yes.
We exchanged number. Chat for a little bit more, before she shaked my hand again as we say goodbye.
Use "Hey XX =) it's Smith. Save my number" ice breaker.
No reply.
Maybe I should switch it back to "Glad to have met you =) Smith"
Looking back, I felt like I didn't relate to her at all, yet because the interaction was fun she agreed to get coffee.
I have a feeling that because we didn't connect much, this number might flake as well. But who knows.

After I got home, Got a text from my date. she said she was waiting inside the cafe for 30 mins...........
fk me....why didn't I check inside....
we texted a bit to clear things out, and I kept it light and she said it was part of her problem for not bringing her phone as well.
I told her we should try again, and this time she shud bring her phone and I"ll make sure I check inside the cafe.
She agreed, but she's flying out on wed so asked if we could do it next week. We both agreed on next monday, same time same place again haha.

I sent another text to this other girl that I met two days ago.
She didn't reply to my icebreaker text, so I wasn't hoping much. Though about warming her up, but then I couldn't be bothered so I asked her out on my first text.
After 4 hours, she replied this
Her: "Hi XX, I'm so sorry I'm not looking for anyone right now"
Me: "haha ok =)"
Her: "but if you're interested in being friends I'm more than happy "
Time for some fun.
Me: "lol I'm not sure. I think u'll fall in love with me =p"
Her: "hahaha will I? na but if you dont want to thats totally fine =)"
thought about not replying, but then this is a small town. Chances are i will meet her again in the next 2 years that I'm studying here.
Me: "haha I'm just warning you! see u around! new friend =)"

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

Smith

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Showed my friend how to approach a girl yesterday.
The girl was average. I have to say, it was one of the smoothest interaction I have ever had.
She wants to become a script writer. this is the first time I didn't even ask or mention what we're studying, and focused on other topics. She told me she like horror films and the walking dead.
Propose a coffee date, which she agreed.
As I pull out my phone, she said this
Her: "I'll take your number. Since I don't remember mine"
Me: "OK. 1234556"
Her: "cool =) saved"
didn't chat a bit more after the number exchange. She texted me two hours afterwards. I was busy so I replied two hours later.
I have to study for a test coming up, so I didn't really care about my texts. She replied a few minutes after my texts, but I always took at least an hour to reply.
Her 3.41pm: "Hey=)"
Me 5.44pm: "Hi =) not sure how to spell ur name or maybe I"ll just save it as cute horror movie writer?"
Her 5.48pm: "It's spelt XX. How do you spell yours again? I know a few different ways.
Me 8.01pm: "It's XX. Named after that guy in XX movie if you know that movie"
Her: 8.03pm: "I thought it was spelt that way I just wasn't sure. blah blah blah about the movie. So how long are you here for?"
It's strange that she asked this question. I wanted to build some intrigue here. Aiming for scarcity.
Me 9.16pm: "haha well Di caprio dying was the highlight of the movie. hmm I'm not sure. Hey let's grab that coffee! what's ur schedule like?
Her 9.18pm: "excuse me? do not talka bout that man like that. He's brilliant. I idolise him and I think he should get an oscar."
She totally ignored my question here....maybe I should've been honest that I'll be here for quite a while?
Thought persisting for the date here would be too chasey, so I decided to drop it like it never happened, and try again in a few days or something.
Me 9.39pm: "Hey I like him too esp in the wolf of wall street and inception. thought I saw a little tear in his eyes at the Oscar though"
Her 9.41pm: "yeah I feel bad for him. I really liked him in the great gatsby"
Me 11.11pm: "lol wud u stay with him if u were that girl?"
Her 11.32pm: "she was cuel though. all she cared about was money. she should have cared about the fact that he loved her and would do anything for her."
By the time I saw this text, it was the next morning. I was gonna tease about nice guys, but then although I've seen the movie, I wasn't exactly sure why Daisy left Jay. After a little bit of wiki, I thought the nice guy joke probably doesn't really fit into the story. The movie was about old money and new money. So I decided to thread cut this, don't really wanna talk about 'love' over text.
Then I read chase's article on role-playing. Thought I might experiment with it over text.
Me 10.06 am: "hmm maybe u cud rewrite the movie and turn it into a horror film. plot twist: gatsby is a zombie! I'll be happy to direct this movie for u"
lol no reply. Maybe I waited too long to reply and probably shouldn't have reply at all.
Oh well. it was a good experiment trying to make things fun over text. I wasn't expecting much after she totally ignored my question about her schedule, which was pretty strange.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (need to do it).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 

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1 girl at the mall. Was a bit nervous, because I'm not used to meeting girls at the mall. Something about being indoor just makes me uncomfortable lol
Deliberately slow down my opener, but kinda froze and didn't push the interaction, so she walked away probably thinking I was just there to pay her a compliment.
But I walked away feeling good about this because I'm getting kinda busy these days. At least I took action today.
I'm planning to find a summer job in a big city oversea where my brother lives.
I want to practice game there while making some extra money. Feel bad spending my parents money to party for 2 months lol. Plus I'm planning to move there after I graduate, so it would be good to get a feel of the place. Last time I went there, I only stayed for a week. Daygamed and enjoyed the city for a week.
I gained a lot of experience and learned a lot. Then saw Tom Torrero's video on PUA marketing scam vs real expectation. One thing that struck me is that he said daygame is not a science, it's fluid. Don't let statistics bring you down if you haven't bed 1 in 10 girls. It was a good reminder to not take this seriously. He also said if you really want to improve your game, you need to move to a big city, which I couldn't agree with more.

Just yesterday, I accidentally came across this chick's fb via a friend's picture, I was surprised that I actually just met her last week and got her number, but I was a little sad that the interaction wasn't great and the number is flakey. I didn't text her at all after my icebreaker, which she also didn't reply. I decided to leave it at that. The exam's coming up. But she was sure popular on fb lol 11,000 follower. She posts videos of her singing on fb (and I mean a lot of videos).

Sometimes, I'm also not sure if my flatmate is interested in me or not. She has a bf (in another city), but today when I was in the kitchen (and her room is right next to it), I literally saw her ass as she bends down to open the fridge in her room. She probably thought I'm not looking, but come on her door is wide open. It was a beautiful view though. It turned me on. Then she came back to the kitchen. She talks a lot about her plan for this summer, and I was just listening and maintaining eye contact and imagine what it would be like to fuck her. I don't know why she always dress well at home, and there I was just wearing my t-shirt and pj lol. I'm gonna remember that ass for a long time.

1. fundamentals - voice - projection, pace, pitch, be passionate(be dynamic and fluctuate so it doesn't mean u constantly shout or constantly talk in a low voice), pause
2. bantering (use humours that relate to her and put her at ease)
/deep-diving (relating and offer details and specifics, ask few interesting questions - talk about emotions and motives so don't collect facts from her, provide feedback - keep talking about her and drawing inferences about her in interesting ways or Use "yes and..." to add value into a conversation. specifics are catalysts for creativity.) Keep the conversation on her. Don't get hung up on topics.
/ screening-qualifying (Ask questions and share related stories, tell her why and what u like about her. Be appreciative but not floored (don't chase). Make her feel special).
3. cold reads - which has a ladder and it gets more intense - target emotion, personality, sexuality. Mini cold read - notice something about the girl and come up with a creative justification for it. Then if this is true, what else is true. Make the fantasy about the girl so it's emotionally relevant to her and she can participate.
4. sexual frames -set sexual frames -
i. set frames through stories
ii. set the frame by complimenting them so they'll feel like they want to live up to it.
iii. qualify her on the frame you want her in
iv. cold read the frame.
v. The frames that make her look like a sexual creature.
vi. The frames that make you sound sexually interested in her.
vii. The frames that make her look like she wants to fuck you. The more comfortable and relaxed u r, the easier it is to spontaneously let a sexual comment pass through. commanding tonality, introducing sexuality in the forms of push-pull or hypothetical scenarios (what if/have u ever). Physically. Eye contact.
5. flirting - subtlety and implication, wit and chase frames (investment and sexual humour)
6. push-pull
 
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