LR Sometimes you just need to be honest that you are a playboi - help me to analyse this interaction

[empath]

I'm posting this LR to process what exactly happened here why I was able to fuck her?

I fucked her on second date

1st date went to bar. Had drinks brought her below my apartment but she refused to come upstairs.

She was focused on figuring out if I'm the right guy for marriage or not?

I maintained very sweet vibe on the first date.

Though I tried to kiss her but she refused.

2nd date happend withing 3 week gap.

I was randomly texting all the girls I have in contact cause I wanted to get laid.

I send her sun emoji ping.

She is like ohh u r alive?

I'm like why u want to kill me.

Then we have more chat blah blah blah.

I send her this text if you want to see me at night text me we can go out.

She sends me text asking what are my intentions?

I'm like I will tell you this in person.

We agreed to meet now.

I go to club wait for her 30 mins. She is late I'm pissed.

I let her know this.

Then we enter club.

She goes for washroom and I get my drinks.

A girl comes and randomly hugs me. (Ohh god I like this moment, she mistook me for someone)

Now we are dancing in the club, but I don't get any sexual vibe from her.

So I tell her about this incident. Now she start to go on about how can she hug you. (She was tipsy I guess and got jealous, maybe social proof who knows)

Then she is upset about it, and demanding very girlfriend like things from me, pissing me off more.

Then I say lets go out of here venue is not good. To change the mood.

We are walking in rains.

Then again she bring this conversation, what are your intentions with me.

I'm still holding her hands trying to kiss but she won't let me.

I ask her what are her intentions, she says I want to be friends. I say it clearly, I don't make a good friend.

I say maybe a good memory or something, yeah corny shit.

Then she is like, even if we date, we can't have sex. I'm pissed off now.

Its raining and she wants me to sing and walk with her in rain.

Being pissed off, I say we are not this close that I walk in the rains with you.

Can't sing romatic songs with you.

Blah Blah Blah....

She says she wants a drink badly.

Then we finally decided to reach for the next venue.

We go to next venue, she orders drink, I need to pay, (ideally, most girls decide to get next one themselve, but she is like thay, and I kinda pissed coz of this, yeah I was pissed off most of the night, cause of lack of sleep)

When we go there, she randomly brings topic of how many girls I have gone on date after meeting her.

I ask date as in dates or I have hooked up? (I asked this conciously, cause I was in bad mood, I'm like I will enjoy my sadistic side now)

She surprised ok hook ups?

I say 2 or 3.

She starts to give me drama, how can I do this to her?

I'm like we are not dating or anything and you did not wanted to have anything with me, so I am free to enjoy myself now.

Then more blah blah on this like which zone is trying to put me.

Then the bar is shut.

So we need to go out, I make some joke to server, she also laughs.

Then once outside, I say if you see me as a friend, you should be happy, I am getting pussy right?

I will be happy to see you getting cock as a friend.

Now more blah blah, I ask some question about her past relationship.

I'm in fun mood now as we are walking.

She was to take a piss, we go to a near by hotel.

Inside the hotel she says she don't want to go back home.

So, we look for a place that serves us drink but we dont find any.

Then she herself suggest my house.

(At this point I know sex is guaranteed)

I just need to reach for home now ASAP before she changes her mind.

Then I get the cab.

Inside cab she puts her hand on my thigh.. and sqeezes it, more confident now.

I don't talk much during the ride, put her head my shoulder and massage her hair.

Then as we are about to reach my house she tries to kiss me.

I give her my cheek and then pull away.

Then when we get out of cab again she tries to kiss me on road I don't.

Then she start to verbalise her intention, I am laughing inside my head.

Then we reach to my room

I show her the balcony again she tries to kiss me.

I don't

Then I take her to terrace, we smoke and I finally kiss her.

Then I take her back inside my room kiss her throw her on bed.

Quickly removes her clothes she say condom and I fuck her.

She stays over, I hate girls staying over but I let her considering, she was looking for something serious, but I made her have hook-up, I don't want buyers remorse.

Then we have moring sex, breakfast and I tell her I'm a full blown player not suitable for dating, don't want her to get attached or act crazy for me.

I tell her this is the last time we are seeing each other.

P.S.
- I had asked her to split the bill over whatsapp on first date, she paid her share, will send her for second date now

 

[gameboy]

No offense, but I think you got her because you gave her the full blown asshole vibe. Assholes get laid, nice guys get friend zoned or provider zoned. I probably need to be more of an asshole myself. So this is an insightful LR for me.

 

[KJ Francis]

I go to club wait for her 30 mins. She is late I'm pissed.

I let her know this.

Then she is upset about it, and demanding very girlfriend like things from me, pissing me off more.

Then I say lets go out of here venue is not good. To change the mood.

Then she is like, even if we date, we can't have sex. I'm pissed off now.

I asked this conciously, cause I was in bad mood

Being pissed off, I say we are not this close that I walk in the rains with you.

She starts to give me drama, how can I do this to her?

I'm like we are not dating or anything and you did not wanted to have anything with me, so I am free to enjoy myself now.

So we need to go out, I make some joke to server, she also laughs.

Then once outside, I say if you see me as a friend, you should be happy, I am getting pussy right?

I will be happy to see you getting cock as a friend.

I'm in fun mood now as we are walking.

 

[Spike]

1st date went to bar. Had drinks brought her below my apartment but she refused to come upstairs.

She was focused on figuring out if I'm the right guy for marriage or not?

Then she is upset about it, and demanding very girlfriend like things from me, pissing me off more.

Yes @KJ Francis this is a green (attracted) girl. And like others have already said to you, even green girls need game to close them

 

[empath]

Yes @KJ Francis this is a green (attracted) girl. And like others have already said to you, even green girls need game to close them

I feel, what I unconsciously did was heavy boyfriend - disqualification and since she was attracted, so she went what the hell, might as well fuck him?

 

[Spike]

I feel, what I unconsciously did was heavy boyfriend - disqualification and since she was attracted, so she went what the hell, might as well fuck him?

Yes but you also could have pretended like you were going to be her boyfriend and still got the lay.

 

[empath]

Yes but you also could have pretended like you were going to be her boyfriend and still got the lay.

That is something I won't do, this girl would have been a clinger.

Also, I don't like to lead on the girls.

I would rather try to be a bf once I fall in love with a girl and she falls for me, so she gets the opportunity to tame me as well. Another upside is, in the long-term she ends up getting more invested in me and values me more.

 

[Spike]

That is something I won't do, this girl would have been a clinger.

Also, I don't like to lead on the girls

Yes. Only pointing out that there were multiple ways to lay this girl. That there wasn’t a specific thing you needed to do to get her to fuck you. Because she was green

 

[empath]

Yes. Only pointing out that there were multiple ways to lay this girl. That there wasn’t a specific thing you needed to do to get her to fuck you. Because she was green

Curious why I was not able to lay her oj first night.

Even though she was below my apartment?

Why she won't come up with me or let me kiss her lips?

Also, suppose a girl is green, does it mean she is dtf or its like a dtf is always a green but a green might not always be dtf?

 

[Spike]

Curious why I was not able to lay her oj first night.

Even though she was below my apartment?

Why she won't come up with me or let me kiss her lips?

Because she needed a second encounter. As most girls do because then they can tell themselves they aren’t a slut because “I didn’t sleep with him right away”

 

[empath]

Because she needed a second encounter. As most girls do because then they can tell themselves they aren’t a slut because “I didn’t sleep with him right away”

Anyway to overcome this?

Say, all I want is first date sex.

 

[Spike]

Anyway to overcome this?

Say, all I want is first date sex.

You can’t. Some girls will be down to fuck you the first night. Some girls will need a second or third encounter. Not the say the girls that need a second encounter are better quality than the girls that sleep with you on the first night. But just that you will sleep with less of them if your strategy is to only go for girls that want to fuck you that same night.

 

[KJ Francis]

Yes @KJ Francis this is a green (attracted) girl. And like others have already said to you, even green girls need game to close them

See this is the root of the problem - traffic light system.

I view traffic light as compliance. Even a RED girl can be very attracted to you. For example, a married woman can be salivating over you but still not act on it.

 

[Spike]

I view traffic light as compliance. Even a RED girl can be very attracted to you. For example, a married woman can be salivating over you but still not act on it.

I agree that it’s broken. I’m not the one that came up with the concept.

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I see

1) attracted - not attracted.

2) Sexually available - not sexually available.

 

[TomInHo]

@empath This girl liked you

I mean when you texted her after the first date she said "ohh u r alive?"

Who says that to a guy they don't like?

The reason why you being so upfront worked was because she was already attracted to you. That is why she was playing games and calling you a friend

She was doing all that to raise her value

But when you told her you were hooking up with other chicks it created a sense of loss, and that's why she became more compliant and started chasing you

You saying that didn't make her more attracted to you. It made her realize her strategy to get you was flawed so she changed it up

But like @Spike said, I don't actually think you needed to be so extreme to bang this girl but still congrats on the lay

 

[Teevster]

Yes but you also could have pretended like you were going to be her boyfriend and still got the lay.

Can this work? Yeah.

Do you want this to work? No.

Moral reasons aside... this is how major drama is created - girls with tears, crazy boyfriend-hunting tactics may get employed ("girl in danger" strategy, or the "I am pregnant" etc...).

But then whatever floats your boat.

-Teevster

 

[Spike]

this is how major drama is created

It’s the strategy I used countless times and I’ve never received drama. Do they get sad? Sure. Life goes on.

 

[Teevster]

It’s the strategy I used countless times and I’ve never received drama. Do they get sad? Sure. Life goes on.

Well until the day drama occurs and it can be significant. But hey, this is subjective I guess. I am obviously more risk-averse than you.

Best,
Teevs

 

[Skills]

I'm posting this LR to process what exactly happened here why I was able to fuck her?

I fucked her on second date

1st date went to bar. Had drinks brought her below my apartment but she refused to come upstairs.

She was focused on figuring out if I'm the right guy for marriage or not?

I maintained very sweet vibe on the first date.

Though I tried to kiss her but she refused.

2nd date happend withing 3 week gap.

I was randomly texting all the girls I have in contact cause I wanted to get laid.

I send her sun emoji ping.

She is like ohh u r alive?

I'm like why u want to kill me.

Then we have more chat blah blah blah.

I send her this text if you want to see me at night text me we can go out.

She sends me text asking what are my intentions?

I'm like I will tell you this in person.

We agreed to meet now.

I go to club wait for her 30 mins. She is late I'm pissed.

I let her know this.

Then we enter club.

She goes for washroom and I get my drinks.

A girl comes and randomly hugs me. (Ohh god I like this moment, she mistook me for someone)

Now we are dancing in the club, but I don't get any sexual vibe from her.

So I tell her about this incident. Now she start to go on about how can she hug you. (She was tipsy I guess and got jealous, maybe social proof who knows)

Then she is upset about it, and demanding very girlfriend like things from me, pissing me off more.

Then I say lets go out of here venue is not good. To change the mood.

We are walking in rains.

Then again she bring this conversation, what are your intentions with me.

I'm still holding her hands trying to kiss but she won't let me.

I ask her what are her intentions, she says I want to be friends. I say it clearly, I don't make a good friend.

I say maybe a good memory or something, yeah corny shit.

Then she is like, even if we date, we can't have sex. I'm pissed off now.

Its raining and she wants me to sing and walk with her in rain.

Being pissed off, I say we are not this close that I walk in the rains with you.

Can't sing romatic songs with you.

Blah Blah Blah....

She says she wants a drink badly.

Then we finally decided to reach for the next venue.

We go to next venue, she orders drink, I need to pay, (ideally, most girls decide to get next one themselve, but she is like thay, and I kinda pissed coz of this, yeah I was pissed off most of the night, cause of lack of sleep)

When we go there, she randomly brings topic of how many girls I have gone on date after meeting her.

I ask date as in dates or I have hooked up? (I asked this conciously, cause I was in bad mood, I'm like I will enjoy my sadistic side now)

She surprised ok hook ups?

I say 2 or 3.

She starts to give me drama, how can I do this to her?

I'm like we are not dating or anything and you did not wanted to have anything with me, so I am free to enjoy myself now.

Then more blah blah on this like which zone is trying to put me.

Then the bar is shut.

So we need to go out, I make some joke to server, she also laughs.

Then once outside, I say if you see me as a friend, you should be happy, I am getting pussy right?

I will be happy to see you getting cock as a friend.

Now more blah blah, I ask some question about her past relationship.

I'm in fun mood now as we are walking.

She was to take a piss, we go to a near by hotel.

Inside the hotel she says she don't want to go back home.

So, we look for a place that serves us drink but we dont find any.

Then she herself suggest my house.

(At this point I know sex is guaranteed)

I just need to reach for home now ASAP before she changes her mind.

Then I get the cab.

Inside cab she puts her hand on my thigh.. and sqeezes it, more confident now.

I don't talk much during the ride, put her head my shoulder and massage her hair.

Then as we are about to reach my house she tries to kiss me.

I give her my cheek and then pull away.

Then when we get out of cab again she tries to kiss me on road I don't.

Then she start to verbalise her intention, I am laughing inside my head.

Then we reach to my room

I show her the balcony again she tries to kiss me.

I don't

Then I take her to terrace, we smoke and I finally kiss her.

Then I take her back inside my room kiss her throw her on bed.

Quickly removes her clothes she say condom and I fuck her.

She stays over, I hate girls staying over but I let her considering, she was looking for something serious, but I made her have hook-up, I don't want buyers remorse.

Then we have moring sex, breakfast and I tell her I'm a full blown player not suitable for dating, don't want her to get attached or act crazy for me.

I tell her this is the last time we are seeing each other.

P.S.
- I had asked her to split the bill over whatsapp on first date, she paid her share, will send her for second date now

empah! in my pinging posts.... this is exactly what is say of the reaction we are looking for when pinging

"omg where have you been"

"omg are you alive"

but your line "why you want to kill me" awesome lol, i am stealing it.....


when women ask you about your intentions, is a good thing, is the same as we are not having sex.... see this as she super interested...

I made a post, you need to review to see how to handle this correctly... That part could have backfire with other women....

a girl getting jealous is good... that mean she cares...

living in your apartment complex, i personally would have past..... but i am me you are you... i don't like the drama...

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Date Plans - The lover provider balance keep it ambiguous - troubleshooting

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[empath]

It’s the strategy I used countless times and I’ve never received drama. Do they get sad? Sure. Life goes on.

Same she hinted me, expect some girl to knock your door someday (surprise visit) , if you have her over 2-3 time.

For this reason I have passed 2-3 lays before.

Don't want to set wrong expectation.

Girl going for some shitty guy to get over me.