Strategic position of weakness

[Skills]

There are some possible strategic position of TEMPORARY weakness that may be perceived as beta, weak, needy, chasing... But in reality they are not if it will give you another chance with an OBVIOUS lost opportunity... The main one that comes to mind is apologies but there are many such as CHASING at times... Lets say you are going to lose a prospect, fuck buddy, girl due to a perceive wrong doing could be from you or her... It is ok to apologize or go into weakness even if it puts you in a down, needy, vulnerable, beta position if it buys you another chance... or lets say you are at a club and you don't want to look like you are not chasing, sometimes you do have to do a weird chase dynamic while giving her space is hard to do and explain is basically letting her go in front and you are chasing but giving her 6 feet corona space behind cause she is testing for creepiness and neediness... But if you go "i don't chase" you may never see that girl ever again...(sample at the end)


The key is the chance or second opportunity to meet, game, interact, but, you have to balance a calibration line with a boundary line or action or hoop... Cause the girl may smell blood in the water and shit test or push your boundaries.... Which is fine, because now she is game vs double down on ALPHANESS and totally lose the opportuniy.... In other words there is a risk/loss gamble... Pick up is a game of odds, risks and gambles at times... So yeah you are the masculine/the man/alpha but = you lost the girl and the possible lay.... vs strategic moments of temporary weakness such as apologies/chasing that may get you another opportunity to get her investment or lay then totally flip the dynamic= profit...


^ i have done this a lot, and yes it is hard to do(specially for seducers), you have to go humble, weak and cringe in your head bite your tongue and emotions, then after you get the lay and the girl invested is totally worth it...(i am not going to use my own examples since it will take me tooooo long to find and go through my blocks of texts, so i am going to illustrate some forum recent samples)


BIG CAUTION.- The only time you do not want to go into strategic positions of weakness is when she is trying to break up after you have been together cause she is checking out and the move here is to actually be closer to the door/out... This is not what this post is about is mainly pre lay women or women you have laid less than 3 times (which is the investment threshold sweet spot in my opinion)


BIG CAUTION 2.- If she is tooling you too much nexting is a good strategy, but you can combine strategic weakness with a cool disclaimer of boundary in it (ideal)

Big CAUTION 3.- In relationship you want to be careful when she is trying betatization attempts, this post is not about relationships... In my relationship i actually hardly ever apologize to the point they go numb and then stop betatization attempts almost completely...

Strategic temporary weakness example (player lofty)

Me: Hey HBSouthie, hope your day went well! Just wanted to say that while we had a great time together the other night, I know that I pushed things a little too far at the end. I was caught up in the moment and I will apologize for that, and I hope that you saw everything that I stand for throughout the rest of our interaction. I really liked spending time with you, so let me know if you want to talk things out. If not, that’s fine, too!
HB: Hey! Thank you for acknowledging the end of the other night. I thought you were an amazing guy and was overwhelmed, plus I was alone so I was a little nervous as well.
Me: I completely understand! There are crazy people nowadays, and I know how you must always have to keep your guard up as a woman because most guys are creeps, like the jerk from the bar you told me about. From our really great and unique conversation, hopefully you saw that I wasn’t like that. It was just that we were having such a nice time, and it’s so rare to connect with someone! But also when I saw you get nervous at the very end after we had developed such a great connection... it really bothered me, too. And right when I saw that, I hope that you recognized the look on my face that I was very disappointed in myself and knew to completely back off.
HB: Yes absolutely! Again, I am glad you acknowledged it and I understand where you are coming from!
Me: I know that we’d have to take it super slow and maybe do something simple like coffee or a walk, but I remember the feeling when we looked each other in the eyes and wouldn’t want to give that up. How about we give it another try?
HB: Sure! Coffee sounds good with me! My work schedule is supposed to come out tonight/tomorrow morning so I will let you know!

^ couple of things such as the super slow was over killed and unnecessary, but the right idea... he may get another shot...



Holding ground sample (player cientifico)

Brazilian: Friday! let's meet in (x town further away)
Científico: Friday in (my town)
Brazilian: Friday in (x town)
Cientifico: Considering you have cancelled twice, I think you owe me this much. We will meet in (my town)
Brazilian: I am not driving to (my town). I have my reasons.
Científico: Cool
Brazilian: So, we meet at (y bar) in (x town) on Friday. Looking forward to it!
Científico: I'm not driving to (x town). Like I said, you owe me.
Cientifico: I'm sure you can find some other chump that will drive there
Brazilian: Yeah! Good bye

^ he is the man, but probably will not get the opportunity i also done this a lot, when i lost my patience...but yeah you lose the lay too... This tends too happen also with a lot of higher caliber girls, that sometimes exhaust your patience since they have veryyyyyyyyyy little investment and sometimes like to make dudes jump through hoops to test dudes....

chasing sample of one of my lay reports:

Club is closing, I walk my target to her car, she is walking really fast in front of me, so i give her “space” cause she is probably “testing for neediness” or “trying to get rid of me”…

Again I follow without hurrying and trying to catch up… Now at the exit of the club she stops (bingo! waiting for me haha!)

I hold her hand and we leave.

target: you don’t have to walk me.

me: I know, don’t worry.

target: fucking lost don’t know where she parked

me: download google maps that iphone app sucks.

target: ok my car is here (garage), ok you can go if you want.

Me: fuck that! drive me to my car

target: my car is a freaking mess.

me: yep! all women cars are a freaking mess, I am used to it, they are clean but messy, i got it

Target as she bend over cleaning the car: i start massaging her ass lol

she comes out open her legs, lift up her dress and says “finger me i am all wet”

I finger her a bit but say “nah there are cameras drive me to my car”

she drives me to my car, i say follow me..

At my house she comes in lays in the bed, i offer something to drink.

Target: “i am good”

I fuck around with “alexa (amazon echo dot device)” she laughs.

I undress, I start fucking her. She is super super wet, and super super tight.

target: “fuck me, fuck me, fuck me, don’t stop, don’t stop, don’t stop, fuck me, don’t stop, don’t stop”

me: ok, but i am tired..

She repeats that shit! I am exhausted, but her pussy is the best super super super tight…

She is a little freak likes it in the ass, but I am too exhausted and i bust.

She leaves did not have to kick her out…



Out!

 

[DoWhatWorks]

I found temporary weakness or more accurately vulnerability can work wonders when you escalated with a girl but didn't seal the deal. It works as a mini "reset" where you get a 2nd chance but it does also mean her guard is up and it can drag out which I can get impatient with lol.

Loved that little night game snippet where you held back until she waited for you outside the club. Such small things but you can win or lose a girl in those moments.

It's like when a girl seems down to pull but has to "go to the bathroom" with her friend... You either never see them again or they come back to you and say "can we get my jacket from the cloakroom before we go?"

 

[Velasco]

I call this losing the battle to win the war. You will sometimes have to let the opponent get a small useless victory (for their ego), to keep the goal alive.

There are many examples of this

For instance I remember there was one infield from JP (Todd's assistant) where he says something that the girl cant hear properly so he says to her, can you get that chair and sit with me? (In spanish)

She goes, "You really want me to get up?"

He shrugs, and goes "sure"

Theres a long pause then he goes, you understand me? (in spanish) get that chair and..

Then she cuts him off, "I'm not getting that"

Then he goes, "no I'll get it. Just come over and..

Then she gets up to come sit next to him.

Small useless victory for her ego. Goal: shes sitting next to him and he can physically escalate. Talk to her one on one etc., continue with the seduction.

Another one that I've never seen anyone understand is what Julien was doing here. Because they say he lost "frame" looks like a bitch on national TV. Blah blah. But if you understand strategic weakness (julien is a sociopath (so he was not sincere in his apologize). youll see that he knew exactly what he was doing here lol. This is similar if you have been in courts and see hardcore criminals acting totally beta in front of the judge).

Small useless victory for media+angry mob "hahaha we totally got him". Goal is to get them off his back.

For weeks/months after this he used "dont google my name" routine on chicks in his infield for controversial bad boy points. Released two more PUA products (Shift+TenGame), one self help product (transformation mastery) and is still out there coaching. Smart guy if I say so myself.

Like you say, most guys are resistant to doing this because "alpha" "hold frame" but they cant see that's its a totally pure machiavellian genius tactic.

I use this a lot myself I'm glad to see someone made a post on this

 

[DarkKnight]

I recall this chick... who totally had autorejected. I had missjudged her because she fit my type I thought she would be hard to get.. but in actuallity she never had a boyfriend at the age of 20.. She was much more keen then I had thought. Anyway one day.. I felt a bit weaker, I had a true offday.. and suddenly she who never even looks my way (due to anger)came up to me started "subtly" touching me up.

I definitely agree showing masculinity non stop makes you unrelatable.. WIA told me yesterday that women want to hold a bit of power.. over powerful men they are attracted to.. this probably is such a case. I know that in my case adding some vulnerability is definitely a plus.

 

[Skills]

I call this losing the battle to win the war. You will sometimes have to let the opponent get a small useless victory (for their ego), to keep the goal alive.

There are many examples of this

For instance I remember there was one infield from JP (Todd's assistant) where he says something that the girl cant hear properly so he says to her, can you get that chair and sit with me? (In spanish)

She goes, "You really want me to get up?"

He shrugs, and goes "sure"

Theres a long pause then he goes, you understand me? (in spanish) get that chair and..

Then she cuts him off, "I'm not getting that"

Then he goes, "no I'll get it. Just come over and..

Then she gets up to come sit next to him.

Small useless victory for her ego. Goal: shes sitting next to him and he can physically escalate. Talk to her one on one etc., continue with the seduction.

Another one that I've never seen anyone understand is what Julien was doing here. Because they say he lost "frame" looks like a bitch on national TV. Blah blah. But if you understand strategic weakness (julien is a sociopath (so he was not sincere in his apologize). youll see that he knew exactly what he was doing here lol. This is similar if you have been in courts and see hardcore criminals acting totally beta in front of the judge).

Small useless victory for media+angry mob "hahaha we totally got him". Goal is to get them off his back.

For weeks/months after this he used "dont google my name" routine on chicks in his infield for controversial bad boy points. Released two more PUA products (Shift+TenGame), one self help product (transformation mastery) and is still out there coaching. Smart guy if I say so myself.

Like you say, most guys are resistant to doing this because "alpha" "hold frame" but they cant see that's its a totally pure machiavellian genius tactic.

I use this a lot myself I'm glad to see someone made a post on this

Yeah i did not know why people were pilling on Julian he was brilliant there, the way he game them... now he is laughing all the way to the bank...

 

[Mr STIF]

I do these, sometimes. Just be humble. She asks me to pass the cup- I don't hesitate. I ask her to pass me the towel and she doesn't either.

I guess not only Women are attracted to this behavior but humans in general. Nobody wants an autocrat, respect is reciproca.

Women want masculine men who also have a soft spot. Balancing between masculinity and soft, depending on the scenario is difficult to do. Knowing when to be soft or masculine is very hard for beginners and intermediate guys, sometimes.

Nice post, brother. You brought this ambiguous seductive element to the surface, the ambiguity is what makes it hard to play out. To dominate is to allow others dominate and help them feel good about it.


Mr Stif.

 

[Conquistador]

This is fascinating

Balancing between masculinity and soft, depending on the scenario is difficult to do. Knowing when to be soft or masculine is very hard for beginners and intermediate guys, sometimes.

Yeah, sometimes