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I've always been on the fence when it comes to trying cold approach in a place like the Levant (a Middle Eastern region that spans Lebanon, Syria, among others); yet, I've always heard about the locally hailed 'catcalling' approach method to reportedly get laid, which I've yet to see any positive reaction coming from the opposite sex towards. Some guys do online game around here and have decent success, it's just never been my cup of tea.

Ain't like I never did give cold approach a try, though (at least, the flavor you guys in the West tend to make use of, it seems to be pretty out of sync with the local culture where I live here, lol). I've made a decent (humble, might I say?) number of approaches back when I made it a bit of a mission to figure this out and get over approach anxiety (only to realize you probably never get over it, and that it's just anxiety related to the case of approaching strangers that happens for different reasons depending on the individual experiencing it). First girl I ever did approach, it was on a somewhat sunny afternoon with me acting like asking for directions, with the girl not knowing the place I'm asking for since she turned out to be from another city, then I end up turning direct and "admitting" I just wanted to come talk to her. She gets my interest while acting coy, trying to make it clear many times throughout the interaction that she really thought I was lost and that's why she talked to me (didn't know if that was a cover-up for disinterest or just her giving mixed signals or whatever). She also did comment questionably, yet curiously, right after I "admitted" interest, that this is "how it's done these days?", alluding to the way people tend to do cold approach in the West (yes, people around here are aware, even though society might not be as accepting).

Thing is, this happened about half a decade ago when I used to be in a phase where social norms are basically thrown out the window in my head and I was willing to act relatively bold in contrast to what society deems 'normal'. These days, I'm a bit more aware of factors that I either used to be oblivious to or just dismissive towards, that seem to play a role at dictating the success of an approach or even the plausibility of employing street cold approach. Among those factors is the fact that girls (locally, at least) put themselves at risk whenever they accept to keep interacting with a guy in a place so public as the street, where they could get seen by friends, family relatives, or neighbors, and possibly get snitched to their family and face punitive domestic violence (yep, it's normative in the conservative Middle East), reputation damage (provided she cares), and restricted ability to go out.

Realizing/believing that I'm living in such a sexually restrictive culture has made me question whether GC material is applicable to such a social environment. I think it'll probably need a bit more customization in order for cold approach to work out. I'm looking to you guys for suggestions and ideas.

TL;DR -- Is GC material applicable to conservative Middle Eastern social environs? Is direct game really the best kind of game to employ while doing cold approach in such a setup?
 
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I've always been on the fence when it comes to trying cold approach in a place like the Levant (a Middle Eastern region that spans Lebanon, Syria, among others); yet, I've always heard about the locally hailed 'catcalling' approach method to reportedly get laid, which I've yet to see any positive reaction coming from the opposite sex towards. Some guys do online game around here and have decent success, it's just never been my cup of tea.

Ain't like I never did give cold approach a try, though (at least, the flavor you guys in the West tend to make use of, it seems to be pretty out of sync with the local culture where I live here, lol). I've made a decent (humble, might I say?) number of approaches back when I made it a bit of a mission to figure this out and get over approach anxiety (only to realize you probably never get over it, and that it's just anxiety related to the case of approaching strangers that happens for different reasons depending on the individual experiencing it). First girl I ever did approach, it was on a somewhat sunny afternoon with me acting like asking for directions, with the girl not knowing the place I'm asking for since she turned out to be from another city, then I end up turning direct and "admitting" I just wanted to come talk to her. She gets my interest while acting coy, trying to make it clear many times throughout the interaction that she really thought I was lost and that's why she talked to me (didn't know if that was a cover-up for disinterest or just her giving mixed signals or whatever). She also did comment right after I "admitted" interest, that this is "how it's done these days?", alluding to the way people tend to do cold approach in the West (yes, people around here are aware, even though society might not be as accepting).

Thing is, this happened about half a decade ago when I used to be in a phase where social norms are basically thrown out the window in my head and I was willing to act relatively bold in contrast to what society deems 'normal'. These days, I'm a bit more aware of factors that I either used to be oblivious to or just dismissive towards, that seem to play a role at dictating the success of an approach or even the plausibility of employing street cold approach. Among those factors is the fact that girls (locally, at least) put themselves at risk whenever they accept to keep interacting with a guy in a place so public as the street, where they could get seen by friends, family relatives, or neighbors, and possibly get snitched to their family and face punitive domestic violence (yep, it's normative in the conservative Middle East), reputation damage (provided she cares), and restricted ability to go out.

Realizing/believing that I'm living in such a sexually restrictive culture has made me question whether GC material is applicable to such a social environment. I think it'll probably a bit more customization in order for cold approach to work out. I'm looking to you guys for suggestions and ideas.

TL;DR -- Is GC material applicable to conservative Middle Eastern social environs? Is direct game really the best kind of game to employ while doing cold approach in such a setup?
are men and women kept seperate in your cultire in schools, and also not allowed to talk to any guy evn when theyare young, if it's that extrem then it can be a problem cold approaching.

Otherwise the girlschase material is applicable in all kinds of conversative culture I have seen it many times, if guys and gilrs can talk in markets, can be friends in neighbourhoods then it's perfectly applicable and it's just your anxiety and fear of how the women would react or the public around you might judge you,but these fears are overblown.

If you apprpach with good warm energy and casually like you are talking to a friend, most girls would recievly you warmly or politely reject you.

And people dont even pay attention, they go about their day unless you are very loud or a make a very agressive approach.
 

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If you value having abundance, just move. Sure it can work but the volume limitation will make it very hard to get good and your results will always pale in comparison to what they could be elsewhere.
 

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are men and women kept seperate in your cultire in schools, and also not allowed to talk to any guy evn when theyare young, if it's that extrem then it can be a problem cold approaching.
When it comes to gender segregation, it happens starting from 7th grade onwards, then it flips once again in college where intermixing is okay and talking to male colleagues is tolerated (kinda crazy if you ask me). Workplace is where it's also okay to interact. It ain't like Saudi Arabia around here, it's just a complex interaction between tradition, religion, and modernity. Actually, it also does seem like the easiest way to interact with girls is in social circle because of context and the fact a girl can justify talking to a guy should she get questioned over it by family members.

if guys and gilrs can talk in markets, can be friends in neighbourhoods then it's perfectly applicable
If you have a reason to talk to a woman, be it a civil servant, teacher, or female colleague, there's little judgement to face unless they sense flirtation taking place. Friendship between the sexes is oftentimes suspected of being more than friendship and are thus usually restricted by all but the most moderate/liberal/"naive" male family members. Some families tolerate friendship if it's a long-term one from childhood between relatives. Other than that, it's largely dependent on the family's disposition towards adult male-female mingling (e.g. they're moderate vs. liberal vs. conservative). As for things like public displays of affection and dating, in general, it is a big no-no. Secrecy and implied interest is the name of the game here, as far as I know.

and it's just your anxiety and fear of how the women would react or the public around you might judge you,but these fears are overblown.
Personally, I've had an easier time dealing with the opposite sex in social circle settings like work and college. My biggest challenge (and fear, to a certain extent) so far is doing cold approach and whether it's plausible or compatible with the kinda social environ that I live in. I'd really want to believe it works. It just feels like something no one ever does around here (at least, not in the way you guys do it in the West). From what I've observed, local guys' best version of cold approach is catcalling or what could seem/amount to harassment, and it often falls flat with girls acting closed off and carrying on.

If you apprpach with good warm energy and casually like you are talking to a friend, most girls would recievly you warmly or politely reject you.
I'll keep your suggestion in mind; thanks, bud.

And people dont even pay attention, they go about their day unless you are very loud or a make a very agressive approach.
I've always liked to believe it works the same around here, but it doesn't. Whenever an interaction between two opposite-sexed people take place in public like in college or the street, people just stare. Like, if they're just taking a stroll, they get stared at. A lot of the time, they could even get looks that check for a ring as to assume they're engaged or married, in which case, they judge the girl as slutty if they ain't, particularly if they're meeting in the evening.

It's not uncommon to meet a friend who's seen you just talking to a girl earlier in the day without teasing that you must have been picking her up (when in reality, she's just a classmate or coworker). It is my observation that in sexually restrictive cultures like ours, people seem to have sex on their minds all the time while being sexually repressed for equally the same amount of time (until they get married, that is; that's what society reserves all this for).

If you value having abundance, just move. Sure it can work but the volume limitation will make it very hard to get good and your results will always pale in comparison to what they could be elsewhere.
It ain't like I'm not trying, buddy. It's just not as easy to immigrate these days, particularly when you're broke and live in a war-torn country. I've always felt out of place, having spawned in the most inappropriate spot of the map to waste my life in, and barely finding a way out (not saying I've given up, I'm still determined and working on leaving this shithole; it just isn't very clear when it could finally happen).

Actually, raking the numbers is among my aspirations. Marriage is a nonexistent prospect for me, so it's very important I get a firm grasp on what could get me sex most efficiently with the least time and effort to waste.

Again, I'm just finding direct game/openers to be very hard to wrap my head around and apply in my locale. Maybe indirect direct is the best way to go, I figured. However, the way I mostly used to do it is to ask for directions followed by admitting interest. Maybe there's a better, more effective approach, that I'm yet to learn of that fits such a social environ.
 
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@AspiringCASANOVA,

As far as Lebanon is concerned:



^ if you can't cold approach there, that is 100% limiting beliefs.

The New York Times had an article about women literally prowling the streets for men in Beirut during the Lebanon War... it might be a little more chill now with more even sex ratios, but the women are clearly still on the hunt there based on the videos above.

New York Times said:
By 8 p.m., women in their 20s and early 30s are prowling in packs of five and six, casting meaningful glances at any and all passing men. In the bars the women dance for hours — often on top of the bar — and legs, midriffs, bare shoulders and barely covered bosoms are offered for public admiration.

Samir Khalaf, a professor of sociology at the American University of Beirut, said the scene astonished his American colleagues. “They are just shocked,” he said. “ ‘This is Lebanon, the Middle East?’ they say. They can’t stop talking about all the belly buttons, about all these highly eroticized bodies. You see it everywhere here, this combination of consumerism and postmodernism and female competition.”

...

The other night Roula Hallak, 27, was wandering the bars of Gemmayzeh, an eastern Beirut neighborhood, with a troupe of six meticulously dressed and made-up girlfriends.

“I’m not looking, but she is, and so is she,” Ms. Hallak said, poking two of them, who giggled and declined to give their names. “It’s so hard to meet the perfect guy this way, but there are so many out in Beirut at this time of year. You go out and you look and you’re always hoping.”

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For young women here, dressing fashionably is a competitive game; stare-down contests between young women in restaurants and malls are common, particularly, say the girls, when one of the women is accompanied by an attractive Lebanese man.

...

Kareen Yazbek, a Beirut psychologist, says that the lack of available men is a constant theme in her discussions with young women recovering from depression and drug addiction.

“Throughout my practice, the main issue that comes up with many young women is that they can’t find anyone to be with or to marry,” Ms. Yazbek said. “Among college-age girls it’s not such a problem, but after graduation there’s a big change as the men start seeking work outside of Lebanon.”

“The social pressures on young women are just huge,” Ms. Yazbek continued. “The focus is more and more on being beautiful, on pleasing other people. The competition is intense, conformity is a big thing, and everyone, rich and poor, gets plastic surgery. You can go to parts of Beirut where almost every young woman has the same little nose.”

And the big prize, all seem to agree, is the attention of one of the visiting native sons.

“The guys that remain in Lebanon are the stupid ones!” exclaimed Nayiri Kalayjian, 19, who was hitting the bars on Monot Street, in central Beirut, with three girlfriends.

“We’re too good for them,” she said. “The ones who remain in Lebanon are the ones with closed mentalities, the ones who just want a virgin girl. You start to feel that the men who stay in Lebanon are the ones with no ambition in their work, and so you wonder, why are they still here?”

I don't know these days about Syria though... Damascus used to be nightlife central in the Middle East, with Syria as a very secular state. I had people telling me about partying there; I even had a guy complain once that cold approach couldn't possibly work in Syria and replied with a bunch of photos of Syrian girls in sexy clothes partying hard in Damascus nightclubs.

But the latest US-regime change du jour left Syria all beaten up. The new government is ISIS. Remember this meme from 2016? :LOL:

syria-freedom.jpg


I would not expect the nightlife to come back any time soon, and I doubt there is going to be much of an environment for cold approach.

This video from 10 months ago doesn't make "Damascus nightlife" look like the kind of place you'd want to party anymore... I doubt day game is any more viable there currently:


Anyway, I would say:

  • Lebanon: heck yes, cold approach there in 2025/6

  • Syria: probably(?) not in the cards for now (however, if you try it and find that you can, that would be very cool to hear about)

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As far as Lebanon is concerned
Lebanon is known in the region as the most liberal Arab country (the closest thing to America in terms of sexual liberation). As for Syria, societal expectations vary widely from a province to the other (e.g. coastal region is widely characterized as moderate to liberal, Damascus has a similar social climate, Idlib is mainly traditionalist and conservative, and so on), sometimes even from a family to another. Unluckily, I live in Aleppo in the northern region where conservatism is a bit higher and the nightlife scene is minimal, with mostly hangouts in cafes and restaurants to be considered nightlife (except for Christian quarters, where bars and pubs are more common).

Thing is, at least among Muslims (who form the majority) in Syria, there's this screwy norm (and rule, in a sense) that girls shouldn't be talking to guys unless absolutely necessary (e.g. asking for directions, buying something, being a classmate or coworker, etc.), and even then, it can be discouraged. It also depends on the girl's background and whether her family is permissive of her having male friends or otherwise.

I even had a guy complain once that cold approach couldn't possibly work in Syria and replied with a bunch of photos of Syrian girls in sexy clothes partying hard in Damascus nightclubs.
Those are the liberals, and they're not aplenty (at least, in Aleppo) unless we're talking about Christians, Kurds, or Turkmen (whom are all minorities). Actually, I've known of a guy once who managed to get burqa girls to send nudes, whom he's mostly met online.

But the latest US-regime change du jour left Syria all beaten up. The new government is ISIS.
Actually, it's a bit more complicated. They're an "ex-terrorist organization" called HTS (formerly al-Nusra Front) that has long been indirectly sponsored by the West, Turkey, and Arab Gulf countries. They're all part of the opposition cocktail that's been fighting the regime for over a decade, but I digress.

Luckily, they ain't forcing any extreme rules just yet (maybe never, who knows), however, it's speculated that it's all for the sake of maintaining international support. Can't say there ain't some bigots in their ranks that the new government's trying to hide from the public (and so does the public), though.

I would not expect the nightlife to come back any time soon
That's the last thing I've heard happen to a Damascene nightclub by an "armed group" (in reality, they're likely Islamists affiliated with the new govt.):


A point of concern I've had lately is trying to make approaches with such an alarming rise in Islamism and crime rates in the country, which has me discouraged and putting it on the backburner (which I'm also growing even more frustrated with given such inaction).

I've also been trying to work out broke guy game like you once discussed in an article. Dunno whether broke is relevant when wages are so low one has less than $5 in pocket, though lol. Like, even if gaming in clubs works, I don't think I can afford it, let alone drink (I'm what you might term a teetotaler).

That isn't to say sex outside marriage ain't happening. It just seems that the way to get there follows a different rhythm and arrangement that I've yet to figure out (and need help with).
 
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Interesting the notes re: what it's like in Syria right now.

A few years back I had a client who was from Saudi Arabia. He'd day gamed a bunch in the U.K. but back in Saudi he had no idea what to do. Women wear abayas, get chaperoned everywhere, and are not allowed to interact with non-family member males in public. At the time he was dating this hot BPD chick who was making his life a complete mess, and wanted to ditch her but didn't know if he could replace her.

I had him start organizing parties at his house and flirting with and screening girls who came for their openness to hooking up. He ended up very happy with this option, as he was then the center of a cool social circle + banging new chicks regularly.

We also discussed the sexual situation... whether girls could do vaginal sex or only anal (to not break their hymens)... he said some of the girls he was hooking up with (like the borderline chick) were more liberal and could do vaginal sex. Others could only do anal but he wasn't into that very much (but still an option at least, if vaginal is off the table).

Anyway, cold approach might be more viable in Aleppo than it is in Riyadh. But the parties thing should be an option there too (if it works in Saudi Arabia, it should work in Syria).

There was a Pakistani guy on here a while back saying he didn't think cold approach was viable in Pakistan... I responded with some videos of guys day gaming in Pakistan. Those might be worth checking out just as a "somewhat similar" base of comparison:


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Women wear abayas, get chaperoned everywhere, and are not allowed to interact with non-family member males in public.
This type definitely exists around here, just not all girls are that way. A lot of 'em dress like your typical girl in jeans and shirts with a hijab on being the main difference; likely the chaperon is subconscious or non-existent in their case depending on the girl. Also, they often go out in pairs, which is mostly the case for girls who need a reason to go out doing whatever like shopping with a female friend so that they gain permission from family.

What kinda bugs me is the fact we have shopping streets getting chock-full of female traffic most days of the week, without having an idea to capitalize on such passing opportunities to meet. A lot of guys think it's just undoable, or rejection chances are too high to try. A side effect of being in a conservative society is the frequent dispatch of morality police in crowded areas to keep harassment in check, so such patrols are still present under both the regime and the new boys' rule.

I had him start organizing parties at his house and flirting with and screening girls who came for their openness to hooking up. He ended up very happy with this option, as he was then the center of a cool social circle + banging new chicks regularly.
Something tells me he's among the rich Saudis, since those tend to make the cut of a Muslim living in such a country having such privileges (e.g. having his own house). Most young people live with their parents in the Middle East until they get married, which makes logistics even trickier to sort out.

We also discussed the sexual situation... whether girls could do vaginal sex or only anal (to not break their hymens)... he said some of the girls he was hooking up with (like the borderline chick) were more liberal and could do vaginal sex. Others could only do anal but he wasn't into that very much (but still an option at least, if vaginal is off the table).
That kinda makes sense. We got a stereotype around here of widows/wives/divorcees being more open to/viable for having vaginal sex than others since they've already lost their virginity.

But the parties thing should be an option there too (if it works in Saudi Arabia, it should work in Syria).
If it's being done as social circle, it's possible. Such things happen. Thing is, I've grown VERY RUSTY ever since COVID took place following an extensive campaign on my part to refine social skills and fundamentals, only for it to come all crashing down due to lockdowns and self-isolation. Coming from a background of struggling with social skills and the like, it feels like all I've worked on to learn and internalize has somehow evaporated off my mind. Couple that with a focus on career and studies, and you could tell little redevelopment took place to fix it.

One note on openers: I've seen it's often discouraged on GC to say things like "excuse me" while opening, yet, in my experience, if I don't preface my opening with it, girls just totally ignore me (probably in a bid to show "they don't talk to guys"?). For me, indirect direct is the only opener that seems to work with consistency, unless anxiety gets the best of me and I stay indirect (which is no good, ofc). While I hold respect for all the effort that goes into the material on GC, the wording you suggest for a direct opener just doesn't sound like it could ever work when translated to Arabic. Like, I can't help but cringe at using it.

In fact, when I analyze my approaches, I find there's little to no anxiety to experience when I'm executing the indirect part (e.g. asking for directions). BUT, as I think of switching to the direct part (telling them 'I just found you cute and wanted to come talk to you'), my heart starts beating SO FAST that it sometimes feels like I'm about to die if I do it. I only feel relieved after saying it all to the end then back to talking about whatever. Upon analyzing it further, I find this whole strong anxiety trigger thing happening is largely because I have very little faith in it. I might as well go on and say it's the main trigger behind my experiencing approach anxiety. Maybe there's a different way or wording to use to express interest?

I'm kinda fixated on the idea of doing street pickup/cold approach largely because of the benefits you described in your articles about it, not to mention ranking it as the best way to meet girls. Hopefully, it still holds true for where I'm living.

Besides, I don't have much time these days to spend on building social circles and whatnot, so that's also a factor.
 
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This type definitely exists around here, just not all girls are that way. A lot of 'em dress like your typical girl in jeans and shirts with a hijab on being the main difference; likely the chaperon is subconscious or non-existent in their case depending on the girl. Also, they often go out in pairs, which is mostly the case for girls who need a reason to go out doing whatever like shopping with a female friend so that they gain permission from family.

What kinda bugs me is the fact we have shopping streets getting chock-full of female traffic most days of the week, without having an idea to capitalize on such passing opportunities to meet. A lot of guys think it's just undoable, or rejection chances are too high to try. A side effect of being in a conservative society is the frequent dispatch of morality police in crowded areas to keep harassment in check, so such patrols are still present under both the regime and the new boys' rule.

Very interesting!

Something tells me he's among the rich Saudis, since those tend to make the cut of a Muslim living in such a country having such privileges (e.g. having his own house). Most young people live with their parents in the Middle East until they get married, which makes logistics even trickier to sort out.

Well, yeah. He could afford my rates, so...!

That kinda makes sense. We got a stereotype around here of widows/wives/divorcees being more open to/viable for having vaginal sex than others since they've already lost their virginity.

True throughout the Middle East, I am told.

One note on openers: I've seen it's often discouraged on GC to say things like "excuse me" while opening, yet, in my experience, if I don't preface my opening with it, girls just totally ignore me (probably in a bid to show "they don't talk to guys"?). For me, indirect direct is the only opener that seems to work with consistency, unless anxiety gets the best of me and I stay indirect (which is no good, ofc). While I hold respect for all the effort that goes into the material on GC, the wording you suggest for a direct opener just doesn't sound like it could ever work when translated to Arabic. Like, I can't help but cringe at using it.

The basic format is:

  1. The interrupt (can be "Excuse me")

  2. The pacing (in English it's "I saw you standing here and had to come tell you that") → it doesn't have to be this exactly, but you would find some way in Arabic of disarming her initial reaction of "What? Who is this guy? Why is he talking to me? Where did he come from?" so that instead she says to herself, "Oh! I see now! That makes sense why he approached me."

  3. Genuine compliment

  4. Give name

That said, I don't know if it's an actual language barrier, or if it's just that you are not imagining it correctly.

The opener sounds stiff and longwinded in English on paper as well, but delivered in-person with the proper tonality it's high impact and has a very high open rate.

In fact, when I analyze my approaches, I find there's little to no anxiety to experience when I'm executing the indirect part (e.g. asking for directions). BUT, as I think of switching to the direct part (telling them 'I just found you cute and wanted to come talk to you'), my heart starts beating SO FAST that it sometimes feels like I'm about to die if I do it. I only feel relieved after saying it all to the end then back to talking about whatever. Upon analyzing it further, I find this whole strong anxiety trigger thing happening is largely because I have very little faith in it. I might as well go on and say it's the main trigger behind my experiencing approach anxiety. Maybe there's a different way or wording to use to express interest?

Okay yeah, this definitely sounds like general nervousness in general around expressing direct interest in a girl.

Just general fear of rejection.

I would simply start with a small, harmless compliment and work your way up.

"Excuse me, I have to say, your earrings are really quite interesting."

Etc.

Something that doesn't feel like you are putting yourself out there as much so it does not trigger as much fear of rejection.

Once you are comfortable doing that, you can move onto trying a proper direct opener.

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Well, yeah. He could afford my rates, so...!
Figures ig, lol.

disarming her initial reaction of "What? Who is this guy? Why is he talking to me? Where did he come from?"
The way I used to often do street cold approach is to walk down a street, spot a girl coming my way from afar whom I like the looks of (or at least evaluate as decent enough to approach, only to get up close and be surprised every time by either better or worse than expected looks), then deliver my opener. Dunno if I should take this point into account in such context. Maybe it holds up more when trying to approach standing still or seated girls, or when I really show up out of nowhere walking by her side?

  1. Give name
Should it happen in the exact same order? I often see it happen in Hollywood (or pickup infields) that people introduce themselves following an opener. Doesn't seem to be the case around here. It could seem more natural to offer it at some point in the interaction. If it's for the sake of making it clear I'm there to get to know her, I think it's already implied that this is the case (particularly in a culture where it's assumed by default that a guy approaching a girl is doing so with romantic/sexual intentions in mind) for the fact I approached her and expressed interest. Like, girls in Aleppo don't even shake hands with men (unless they weren't strangers doing it in public, perhaps, 'cause handholding happens) so dunno how it could go with offering a name right after the opener.

Okay yeah, this definitely sounds like general nervousness in general around expressing direct interest in a girl.
Looking back on it, maybe.

Just general fear of rejection
Come to think of it, I feel zero emotional damage when ignored or rejected by a girl. That is to say, when rejection happens, I feel no negative emotions. Like, it's just a female stranger acting up, so what, goes my mind.

My main concern (maybe on an unconscious level or both conscious and unconscious levels?) seems to revolve around being seen by others getting rejected, and the resulting judgments and/or effects on reputation (I'm no girl to be affected that much by such a factor; dunno if anyone would be okay with getting a rap as 'that person who gets shot down by girls all the time', though), the thing that's pushed me to make an approach only when a street wasn't that crowded.
 
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