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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Hi guys,

this is the first field report (on the forum)after a year and a half of game for me.

I only run daygame, in particular, street stops in the city center of a 250 000 citizens town.

I have this crazy sticking point, where i can't get girls to hook. I realized after having read the article on sticking points that it is vital to understand what they are, and figured that in my case the plateau is definetly because of the hook point.Girls just don't hook.

I've been on a dry spell ( of new lays) for 3 months now, even though i went on some dates , some preliminars and have a love at first sight ''girlfriend''.

I want to attack the women and dating scenario and figure every bit of it. Last year I fucked between 12- 15 women ( can't recall the exact number) only through street stops in 90% of the cases.


So today went like this:

Go out from 6 pm to 8 30 pm.

Talked to the following women:

1 girl :I say hi, approaching from the side. Pre open her , and then complimented on her looks. She had a boyfriend, i did not like her and so no big deal. But she had not hooked even though i asked her why she was in my city , what she was doing for a living , if she liked it and said that it 's good she likes what she does because a lot of people have no clue what is they would dream to do and achieve. But she did not hook.
To be honest, fundamentals like voice , hesitation and eyes could have been stronger, and this accounts for all of the approaches i've made in the outing.

2 girl: followed her in the most touristic area of town, she was local but not from the same city. looked a bit inexperienced in my eyes. She was mad because I approached her or simply bitter probably. She tried to offend me but I said something funny and got her to stop. Complimented her, but still, no vibe.. on to the next one

3 girl: sorry I'm in a rush i have to go bye bye. Without even letting me talk.

4 girl: opened her by complienting her style. She was quite into me. She said she was russian, so i asked what she was doing here. She said studying, bla bla.. I asked her if she liked what she was studying, she said yes. I asked if she was sure , since everyone seems to study economics and marketing but almost nobody actually loves it. She said yes, I love it and start to talk.. So i moved her , walked her with me and got her 50 mt away from where we were.
Kept on deep diving but when asking for the date she said she had a boyfriend and she was not able to lie to him and she could never do that. She seemed like she meant it. I moved on.

5 girl: she looked 15 so i asked her her age, hesitating a bit, like in other approaches.. She said no I'm 24.. So i said great, so tell me what are u doing here? what's good about studying what you're studying? you know I used to study that as well but then i changed because of x. How s living here for u? the interaction last about 4 mins, and she constantly said or hint she had to go.. i nevertheless asked for the date, got her number but could feel that even though i talked to her a bit, she had not hooked and gave me her number because shedidn't have the guts to say no..
I text her later in fact and no answer.
I should have moved her but she said i'm going to meet my friends.. ( maybe it was a lie and I should have persist come to think of it, but she seemed honest on that)

6 girl: sitting down on a clothes store stair and talking to the phone. I faced her completely with open body language ( while should have put myself more on the side). Waited 30 secs that she finished her phone call, and told her she had a great sense of style.She challenged me saying '' what are u saying, I'm very normal dressed'' in a very bitchy way. I looked weak but tried to say '' cmon you're not normal at all '' in a funny tone - very weak very very weak. (should have said,'' well , than you should have been even more flattered).

She never stand up though and was barely looking at me so not ejecting yet looking cool enough was the challenge, that i did not pass. Should have put more pressure on her, which i tried to do by asking questions like ''so tell me what do u do in your life.'' in a bored tone.. still , realize it's not the best way to put social pressure.
Then I played funny but looked to weak , too fucking weak. I then ejected.

girl 7,8: did not even stop. Again, one was someone who saw me approaching many girls before so it was obvious, but the other one , I should have used a much more masculine and resonant voice, which i'm noticing in this weak plateauing period i have the tendency to loose. My eye contact is weaker, my voice high pitch and super needy and my speak speed way too fast. I always have the feeling that they are about to eject, but still, if you talk faster , that's not gonna help at all. So speak slower at least.

9: a beautiful sweden, brunette. She was walking, I stopped her and opened her with '' hey, i have to tell u this.. u ve got the most amazing eyes i ve seen all day.. I'm no limits'' she said thank you!
me: where you from?
she : sweden
me : (skeptical funny look ) are u kidding me?? - she was brunette-
she: ahaha, no.. my parents are not from there though.. (btw, that's a great baiting on her side)
me: so if I guess where they're from, i have a bonus ok?
she : ok
me: india
she : no
me : spain
she: nooo..
me: ok no bonus for me, what's the answer?
she : romania..
me: what? romanians are all light in their hair
she : no, they are dark.. they have light skin but dark hair ( lost frame)
me: plus, u don't look sweden because swedish people don't have a very bright personality on average ( which is true according to researches who show that the degree of depression triple in such cold and dark places)
her: no they're not! ( not angry but not even seduced) have u ever met one?
me: i did and plus my ex girlfriend was from oslo, and not that bright..
her : no they are quite bright...
me: ok, the ones u do not know are not that bright ahahah
so what do u do here?
she: fashiondesign...
me: really? that's cool, why did u choose such a path?
she: u know i really like to make things with my hands, that not a lot of people are able to..
me: mm.. ( probably rushing to much because again, i felt she wanted to eject because of a dinner she had to go to she had mentioned before) that's cool, when someone is into what they're doing. it's a pretty rare scenario nowaday.

she: yeah.. look i m sorry but i have to go
me: wait, cmon I stoped you, told u have great eyes, u can't go like this! plus, just one second, because i'm in a rush too actually. what do you like about fashion?
her: i wanna do haute couture...
me: cool.. i was working with a stylist who considered herself haute couture - she wasn't - but people hopefully would believe her..
her: oh..
me: yeah then she kicked me out of the startup , and I don't know fucking why!!! ( said in an exagerrated and fun sexy tone)
she :look i have to go..
me: yeah i have to go to, but wait. let's get a drink one of these nights. I'm quite busy but should be able to make it.
she: ok... ( she was not very sure at all - i could feel it)
me : ok, do u have a number? ;)
she : yeah, ( and she showed me it on her phone in a bored way - i should have challenged her there saying, hey , u need to be a bit more convinced and enthusiastic about this, i would not want to suffer stalking accusation just because i sent u a text!)
me:( and instead i ) wrote down the nbr.. then : it's been cool meeting you have a great night..


Then text her, no answer ( i could feel she did not hook, but still, good to have confirmation, data and the willingness to always try to win) .



SO basically, yestrday it was similar but i got 3 numbers... The numbers are there... But they don't hook..
A number is not hard to give for a girl, if she thinks :he's not crazy, saying no it's hard for me, maybe he'll chase me which doesn't hurt , she'll give u the number.
I've fucked some pretty beautiful women, and though i still do not have absolute abundance, i went to saint tropez with one oscar hollywood actor's girlfriend , have a very cool '' girlfriend'' and another woman who did a lot for me who lives in russia and is beautiful. (though not my type).

BUT this is useless. I want to know how the fuck can i make them hook.

Hopefully, one of the great guys here will be able to help. I really hope that's the case.

Any tips???

Btw, can't wait to get your responses guys.

Never , never.. NEVER give up.
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

PrettyDecent

Tribal Elder
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nolimits,

As a fellow daygamer, well done on 12-15 street cold approach lays last year! That takes skill.

Now, I see two scenarios for why you've been on a dryspell for so long:

1. Law of assymetrical returns - you'll just go through ups and downs that you can't control.

2. Your fundamentals are off, and you're trying to compensate your lack of sexual attractiveness with lowering your attainability in verbal game - meaning that you're having a hard time hooking girls in general, and the ones that do hook auto-reject.

Your fundamentals in general are pretty sweet, I'm sure. But the fundamentals that you're showing on the approach are off, so women are getting the idea that you're not as experienced or attractive as you are.

If you spend a week on this, I guarantee it's going to solve your problem.

The most important fundamentals are the ones she can see on first glance:

- Posture: it's impossible to use sexy facial expressions or make compliance demands without good posture, so really make sure you hammer this one down

- Slowness in speech: practice slowing your words down and taking pauses. It's going to relax her. And she'll stop.

- Voice must be loud and commanding: like for the beginning when you try and stop her. I have a feeling you know what volume I'm talking about since you're experienced. Especially when you need to get compliance from a stranger, you need to sound very sure of yourself.

- Cool hair: Make sure it looks mega sweet. Clothes aren't as important as this. And I'm sure you have good style anyway.

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As for your dialogue, well, you got a few things you're messing up, but I have a feeling your dialogue will get better once you're more confident girls find you extremely attractive. That way you won't be trying to force a connection or tease girls so hard that they auto-reject.

You know how it is on the street...most of the time girls are actually nervous about such an attractive man making a bold move unexpectedly. Usually you just play nice with them, and that's all they need.

Let me know if you had any questions about these. I think once you go back to basics you're going to be slaying hardcore again!

Nick
 

nolimits

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Hey My Friend!

This is a great answer and I appreciate your help, and the very detailed apllicable tips you provided.

Btw, no clue if I'm experienced or not, but I count my lays again and they were 18 ( not 12-15 as I thought ) in 12 months.. I thought it didn't hurt to sit there and count, and turned out I was right ;)

You have some pretty good points there.

-My voice is hesitating and not masculine enough on those approaches, but I'll make sure to make it masculine and dominating on the next ones so I can fix this, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME. ( systems always beat goals, to quote scott adams).

-Posture, yes. Too weak, and though cold weather does not help with this - meaning i give myself losers excuses such as '' hey it's cold, of course i can't stand up straight!'' , I'm not in russia so I must fix this.

-Speech speed: yes, glad to know you agree on this. Easy to say '' yeah i already worked on slowing my speech down last year, so it should be fine by now''. BUT , since this is one of the toughest thing one can learn ( takes a lot of guts to speak slowly and face people who, since at the beginning you may risk sounding a bit mechanical, are gonna call you out on your attempt to look cool or just shit test you), it's imperative to go back and work on it. To me , come to think of it, speaking slowly ( even more if that's with people I already know) is one of the biggest sticking points. Still extremely afraid of being judged. BUT, Fix it or suffer the consequences.

- Hair, you may REALLY be right on this. Out of curiosity , what makes you think that is more important than style or facial hair? I always thought hair make 70% of a face beauty too.



Anyway, I'll try this out , and see what happens. I'm sure if I get these 3-4 things down right , I'll be able to see different results.

( btw, would be curious to know what the conversational mistakes where in your opinion, so i could fix them up, but you're extremely right: many of them were a product of a first '' not so great reaction, and then the cycle starts..


Thanks my friend, and - good to learn some australian slang! ( sweet to say ''quite good'') !


NEVER, NEVER ... NEVER GIVE UP!
 

nolimits

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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So ... Went out today and just focused on talking more slowly! worked quite fun.

Still street stops, still late afternoon ( 6 pm..)

Now , before delving into the field report I have to say that one of the girls of yesterday ( girl number 9) , answer my texts and said she's ''pretty free during the week, pick up the day you prefere''.
She's a swedish with romanians parents, quite sexy and very elegant. Studies fashion, travels a lot. Great woman.

I hope i won't get caught by the girl i stupidly and impulsively promised monogamy too for the second time but.. even though this situation looks for a great BIAS, i'm sure that the likelyhood of being caught is not high in statistics.. I just have to prove it to myself..

Btw, worst case scenario: mastery is the priority here. On the long term, no doubt that's the thing that's gonna bring me more power, fullfilment and , i believe, money. Not a specific woman. I'll suck it up for the next two weeks if I get caught - wich is again , super unlikely but FEELS like it's likely-and use it to grow a stronger man.


QUICK NOTE. keep in mind that, ingeneral, I'm a huge fan of one side monogamy, meaning that you tell girl that she's the best for you, you're favorite but still, can't promise her monogamy..
does not mean i fuck other women every single night, you say, it's just i like to be honest, and promise nothing too grand. But you're great and i dig time with you like hell!!!
In this case, i got impulsive and could not do it so , i have to live with this... ( nothing too bad, just a normal mistake that happens , and will be useful for next girlfriend- though of course i d like to keep this one).

If you have thoughts on the likelihood to get caught, NOT on morals which to me is pretty unbalanced when it comes to realtionship, I ll be proud to hear them.

Anyway

Field Report:


The goal : speak more slowly!!! focus JUST on the speed of the speech! not on eye contact;not on flirting: just on the speech speed.

I approached 8 women and got 4 conversations.. 2 numbers. 1 solid.

here's the report

1 girl: average looking but it does not matter. I spoke very slowly. She responds warmly , and , I could feel the power of my calmness and stillness. She was nervous, but i calmed her by speaking more slowly.
Some repartee and after a couple mins:
Me: you look like a very genuine person. is that right?
Her: yeah!
me: yeah, i can feel it from the genuinity of your facial expressions. A lot of people are afraid of showing their feelings. This means that you don't care what people think too much!! ( come to think of it, it would have been better to bait after the first cold read , get some compliance , and then keep cold reading!)
Her: yeah i don't care what people think too much..
me: so what is that you doing in your life?
her: i m an employer.. ( said in a non sexy and non ambitious tone)
me: of what?
her: well I assist my buyer and am a buyer very often as well..
me: not sure what you are, but definetly you're not a marketer! ahaha (she laughs as welll, though she was not cute and low self esteem)
me: you know, your job could be marketed way better! you're in a growing startup, you're learning.. it's cool!
- tried to build her up - come to think of it, good job on my side here!
me: so what is your life goal..
her : nothing just working...
me: ( resisting to shoot myself in the balls for how much boredom I was feeling) that's it? you don't have any dreams or goals?
her: no well... I guess growing with my company...
me: now that starts to become a dream! what else?
her: well , have a family!
me: yeah, you look like a very caring person.. and like you love to sorround yourself with people.. which means that your biggest fear is probably that of being alone! ( again, better had i diveded the cold reading in pieces to get more compliance, maybe...)
her: yeah it's sad to be alone..
me: no but i mean, even staying home alone one day doesn't make you feel super comfortable..
her: no actually, that's something I' m able to do..
me: well, I 'm not saying u d die if you stay home alone , but for sure you're more comfortable in companionship!
her: yes,but i mean , sometimes it's good to say alone..
me: yeah, definetly. especially in this society where you re always connected ( social media ecc)
her : yeah , we rarely have the poss...
me : ( interrupting her) hey,u know, what? it's very cool talking to you. let's get a drink one of these nights, even if you're not from here!
her: sure.. if i m here
me:( i could feel her lack of stamina and social calibration but wanted to test the results of speaking more slowly so got her number)


girl 2: approached her, she could feel the pressure, but i managed to calm her down just by the slowness of my speech ( it's not a placebo effect, i'm sure. - i can feel how they can relax when by talking slowly i look and am more in control)..
me: sorry ( could have been more dominant in the tone but still, she stopped - she was walking slow, which is a great sign, almost an approach invitation!)... I saw you walking and ( compliment on her sense of style)
her: thank you..
me: yes, it's a very good and original combination of clothes...i really like it! No limits...
her: silvia..
me: southern?
her: actually.. from the center..
me: mmm.. and what are you doing here? ( said in the typical accent of her city, very well executed, not cheesy)
her: i'm here with my boyfriend, i come often, but now she's sick in the hotel and i said, i'm gonna go take a walk...
me: i see.. what brings u here often?
her: i love it here.. it's perfect cause i study art.
me: now that makes a lot of sense! and what' made u choose art?
her: my granny.. she's a quite known contemporary artist ( she say the name, which i never heard of course) - btw, come to think of it, that's a little qualifying on her side, though not extremely cause i almost asked her.. but she brought up the granny before i did so..
me: mmm... coool! finally someone who does what he likes and not what society says it's good to do!
her: yes! i love art! and my granny is cool.. she makes design art on the computer and she is 85!!!
me: mmm...i thought steve jobs was dead! ;) that's very cool though! so what kind of art do you like?
because you know, you don't look like that kind of person who loves to stare at reinascence paintings with madonnas and angels all day long... you're more fun than that! ( forgot to add: you look way more adventurous than that!)
her: exactly.. i m not into that kind of art at all! i dig modern art !
me:yeah like de chirico... that's your guy!
her : exactly! ( delighted to realize i made a guess!).
me: i could feel i could not have banged her, though i should have tried regardless... and i ejected in a charming way but without asking her to come home with me! ( 99% she would have said no, but would have been fun to try!)


girl 3: incredibly shy asian and average looking woman.. but very well dressed and good eyes color.
me: sorry , I just had to come and tell you... your style is incredibly cool!
her : thanks! i don't speak english well though!
me: yeah...that MAY be a problem ;)
so what do you do here?
her: study the local language...
me: mmm.. cool! and then? other plans for the future?
her: yeah , i love polonia and i would love to go there after this!
me: beautiful! a lot of people have no clue what they want to do with their lives, but you do..
however, you look a bit shy , is that right?
her: yes..
me : but let me tell you this, shyness can also be a strenght..
her: ah yes?
me : yes.. ( going on explaining why shyness can be turned into a strenght and all of that bullshit)
her: oh....
me: so , shall we get a drink one of these nights so we can get to know each other better?
her..: yes!! number??
me: yes, number! here , let me write your down...

keep in mind that this super short convo , took more than the others two.. she had to think a lot before every word since she didn't know english nor the local language well...
but , solid number... i got an answer after 5 minutes texting her!


4 girl: 35 years old... quite experienced..
me: hey... wait... I just have to tell u one thing... u ve got... the most amazing, set of eyes i ve seen all day! i'm no limits
her: her name..
me: u know , u remind me of a famous charactress..
her: oh gosh... u too! eveybody says that to me..
me: what? tell me what's the letter of her name and i tell u if we're thinking the same thing here..
her: g
me: i d be tempted to ask you to sing ;)
her : ahahah
me: so from your accent your clearly not from here.. what brought u this town?
her: work..
me: mmm.. yeah, i was expecting the classic '' love..'' answer, but looking at you , u seem way more fun than that!
u look very spontaneous, and outgoing, why is that=
her: maybe the job i'm doing..
me: what do u sell?
her: well i don't sell.. at least not directly.. but yeah in a way i sell money..
me: u don't work in a money converter don't u?
her: no.. ahah..
me: bank?
her: yess...
me: do u travel much? there has to be another reason why you re so outgoing!
her: u know, this town is hard if u come from outside.. but i ve been lucky enough to meet people right away and... yes i travel..
me: mmm.. interesting ..where ?
her: well, i ve been in india last time, and in the land of marajas... crazy experience
me: wow i ve never been there but sounds cool... ( frankly, though the goal was not to be great in convo but to speak slow, i should have done better.. cold reading her again on smtg like '' so you're into the exotic.. dreaming of adventures and seeking for land where u can discover!)
her: yes it's cool..
me: you know, it's incredible.. the people who have travelled are so different... they re clearly outgoing and easy to talk to because they're not afraid of being judged - they ve seen more and experienced more..
her: well to me talking to a stranger on the street is nothing special.. i do this, because why not? maybe i ll never see u again or maybe i will , for pure coincidence, but still, it's just 3 mins of your life...
( she did not say it in a bitchy way, but it still destabilezed me. she probably had a boyfriend, or i did not look dominant enough... )
me: yeah, but apart from that ( weak frame control here.. saying '' yes but, implies that what she sais it's good and right and true) i mean, u re so open, which is a rare quality nowaday... it clear that u don't care what other people think..
her: yeah that's true ! i reall don't care hwat other people think! ( funny how this is an incredible cold read / qualification but i tend to always forget to use it... i don't think there is one girl who doesn't go along with this!)
me: only one thing does not make sense about u... why do u do that job? it's clear to see that you're so artistic! ( getting very good results with cold reading, the more i do it the better i get, like anything, but great to see it works!)
her: well, there is one artistic part of me , true, but i also have a rational part..
me: yeah, i'm totally in for the former.. u can take the rational one..
her . ahah
me: solet's get a drink, one of these nights.. ( forgot to say '' tell u what - pause - let's get a drink ecc)
her :( hesitantly) yeah sure, give me your number
me: you give me yours, it s better.
her : no, give me yours and i ll call you
me: u won't . u think u will but then u ll go home and rationalize and will not do that..
her: give me your number and maybe we go for a happy hour..
me: ok let's do this. u go home and text me right away. u write '' I'm ( name of the famous character she looks like) save my number''. If u don't do that, we ll never meet, cause that's how life works.. ok ? ( could have said - look, u are a very charismatic person and i don't think u would have problem not getting my number. u would not have problem saying '' hey, your cool but let's not switch numbers... '' because u have the courage to be assertive.. - it would have been great, i ll use it next time!)

her : ok...
me: ok cool meeting u , bye...


of course, no text.. that was clear.. btw, she seemed open, again , could have done better with slowness here..



i then approached other women but these were the most solid ones...


Opinions and tips are always appreciated especially , if in a touristic 380 000 town you re likely to get caught getting a drink with another girl or not.. statics should be on my side but who knows... i ll have to play it smart.


And for the slowness of speech, the moment my fundamentals, especially speech and posture, got worse, that's where i start to loose efficiency... sounds obvious? doesn't matter. What matters is that it's important.


Hope to hear from u guys!


never, never... NEVER give up!!!!
 

FS80

Space Monkey
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Well done! I like reading your field reports. I am now motivated to go our more and start new with daygame.

Just a question: How do you approach women who walk from A to B, like from the side, saying hi without her seeing you before? Because I read one article on GC which says it's better if she has at least seen you before. This would increase the chance of her to stop and be open for a conversation than jumping out of the blue. I usually do better with women who sit or stay during the day like in a park, on a bench or in a shop.

Do you text them shortly after meeting them? What do you write? I prefer something like "It was nice meeting you, Jen".
 
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