Study of Women and Age Preference in Dating

[metalbird]

There was a study, I'm sure it's been quoted on this site before, but I'll find it and link it.

Basically, it says that women will have ONS with the widest age range of men. Casual dating, the range gets a little smaller. Serious dating is narrow, and for marriage/partnership, most women will not consider a man more than 2-3 years outside of their target range.

I'm a 30 year old man trying to find something more serious, and I have strong preference for younger women. It's very hard for me to envision settling down with a women less than five years younger than me. That figure goes up the older I get. Based on the information in this study, should I have a greater sense of urgency about finding someone to partner/have kids with? I'm trying to decide how much I need to shift gears away from my career, towards dating. I'm concerned that if I keep "fucking around" it's going to become harder and harder to find a good wife, and that might sneak up on me, especially if I'm just casually dating.

Thoughts?

Study: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...p/201405/who-is-too-young-or-too-old-you-date

 

[ulrich]

Don’t confuse what women say they want with what they do.

In an ideal world, they would have a top caliber man who is 3-4 years older than them.
In a real world, top caliber men don’t grow on trees and they take what they can when they can.

Is it suboptimal to marry a man much older than her age? Yes.
Is it common? Incredible common.

Source: My two longest relationships have been with a girl 9 years younger and a 6 years younger than me.
It’s not difficult.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Basically, it says that women will have ONS with the widest age range of men. Casual dating, the range gets a little smaller. Serious dating is narrow, and for marriage/partnership, most women will not consider a man more than 2-3 years outside of their target range.

Fucking great news for a skilled PUA!

This is only a negative under (society's) presupposition that the ONS guy is a different guy from the guy she sleeps with more than once.

What if you did an ONS with her and then also had great framing, qualification and comfort game so you could keep her around?

EDIT: I think the manosphere called this "alpha provider".

Almost ALL girls I've ever slept with went that route... fast sex, but keep seeing each other.

Btw this is actually the very definition of SNL (and what makes it different from a ONS).

If you ONS but run great framing, qualification and comfort, you can keep her around.

If you do that long enough she will get attached and you got yourself a waifu.

-Karea.

 

[DarkKnight]

I want to add something. For many years I have been saying that "normal people rules don't apply to me". Has become something of a catchphrase.

Chase wrote a fantastic article the other other day about how as a seducer you break the rules which normal guys adhere too. Basically what I am trying to convey is, what women say, those graphs and statistics.. are according to normal people rules. They don't go for us.

Serious dating is narrow, and for marriage/partnership, most women will not consider a man more than 2-3 years outside of their target range.

Lol, enough much younger girls dying to rope me into serious relationships my friend. I am talking about 12 year younger than me women. Multiple ones at that.

By the way something I want to add some of my 30 plus female friends who are still single seem to aim at 27 -29 year old guys. What gives?

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

By the way something I want to add. My 30 plus female friends who are still single seem to aim at 27 -29 year old guys. What gives?

I think this is part of the confusion about gender roles that the West is going through.

• Men try to attract mates the way women are supposed to: by making themselves physically attractive. Total obsession with the gym, taking pictures like a f****t, very little focus of conveying other types of value.
• Women try to attract mates the way men are supposed to: by making themselves into a high status member of society, getting advanced degrees and careers, being dominant and powerful.

Just one more inversion. So now you got all these younger guys who think older women are so interesting... and women suddenly do want younger guys... but, this is just in the mind and it's easy to override it with emotion.

 

[DarkKnight]

Women try to attract mates the way men are supposed to: by making themselves into a high status member of society, getting advanced degrees and careers, being dominant and powerful.

Interesting, need to meditate on this, but I do see the sense of this and it is congruent with the behavior I am observing.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Btw I'm not speculating here, this is from the horse's mouth... I've heard this from a girl who got one of these advanced degrees from a far-left university... she already had an advanced degree and thought she needs to get ANOTHER one to make herself more attractive to men!

Total insanity. Another example I've seen was this couple I met... he was a late 20s handsome guy in great shape, she was hot for her age but she was late 30s... BUT she was internet famous, and she was speaking at some conference when he met her.

So you see this play out here, he actually selected her based on a female mate selection criteria: "older woman of high status" (which is inverted... that's how women would naturally select men, whereas men's natural selection criteria would be "younger woman of high fertility".

-Karea.

 

[mist]

Btw I'm not speculating here, this is from the horse's mouth... I've heard this from a girl who got one of these advanced degrees from a far-left university... she already had an advanced degree and thought she needs to get ANOTHER one to make herself more attractive to men!

Total insanity. Another example I've seen was this couple I met... he was a late 20s handsome guy in great shape, she was hot for her age but she was late 30s... BUT she was internet famous, and she was speaking at some conference when he met her.

So you see this play out here, he actually selected her based on a female mate selection criteria: "older woman of high status" (which is inverted... that's how women would naturally select men, whereas men's natural selection criteria would be "younger woman of high fertility".

-Karea.

Can back this up as well.

Interesting to hear it concisely stated. Lots of sexual frustration with women under this inverted system. Tons of social programming as well. Will be very interesting when I breakthrough and the kitten is exposed.

One sad example is a lady ik basically becoming masculine and high value as fuck to attract men. Degrees, a business, tons of skill, and even "somewhat" caked up and dressed nicely (she's overweight though).

I See this so much.

Not to discredit her drive, but we've talked and it's clear this is essentially one of her "dating" strategies.

I picked this up from the subtext and frequent frustration with her male peers not wanting her and or not committing to her.

Not even to mention the fact that she lacks male peers in that high status realm.

Vicious cycle.

 

[Alpha13SC]

I think this is part of the confusion about gender roles that the West is going through.

• Men try to attract mates the way women are supposed to: by making themselves physically attractive. Total obsession with the gym, taking pictures like a f****t, very little focus of conveying other types of value.
• Women try to attract mates the way men are supposed to: by making themselves into a high status member of society, getting advanced degrees and careers, being dominant and powerful.

Just one more inversion. So now you got all these younger guys who think older women are so interesting... and women suddenly do want younger guys... but, this is just in the mind and it's easy to override it with emotion.

I think this is some sort of effect related to the dating game, where you can find girls literally simping to actors/playboys/masculine figures who look very good, so guys take this path, which I think can enhance your ability to meet new women, (seducing them is the other part)

There was a theory(don't know where I read it, or listened to it) where stated that women choose a career path because they want men from that area(business women who would want a big business, powerful man).

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Lots of sexual frustration with women under this inverted system.

More and more good news for PUAs just being dropped on this thread!!!

Keep them coming boyz!!!

 

[DarkKnight]

There was a theory(don't know where I read it, or listened to it) where stated that women choose a career path because they want men from that area(business women who would want a big business, powerful man).

This is actually quite interesting. I would say this is more of a determinator when a woman is truly career focused. Perhaps there is reverse causality as well. Woman chooses a path, goes into a world where certain men are high value, and thus appreciates them more as suitable mates (social frame, perhaps also seeing them behave as authority figures..)

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

I dated a nurse once who I'm pretty sure she got into nursing cause she was hoping to marry a doctor some day... I think this is pretty common and in that case it wouldn't even be a career focus on her part... more a case of putting herself in a high-probability environment (kinda like a guy becoming a photographer and shooting models to be around a lot of hot girls).

But you see the same pattern here...
As a man, you would choose a high probability environment based on the number of young, hot girls.
As a woman, you would choose a high probability environment based on the number of high states, powerful men.

This "women-career" thing doesn't make any sense whatsoever from a purely evolutionary perspective... her entire biological purpose is reproduction and by delaying that (for degree + career) she reduces her odds of doing this successfully rather than increasing them.

 

[mist]

More and more good news for PUAs just being dropped on this thread!!!

Keep them coming boyz!!!

Haha

Here's some rookie observations for op.

The market for a lover really has never been more demanded.

I'm a beginner so I don't have my shit together most of the time, but in the rare moments where shit really clicked the women basically started handing themselves over to me.

I'm not even talking about they initially threw themselves at me. I'm not Brad Pitt. I'm average with some game awareness knowledge, and low-moderate cold approach skill.

I honestly don't even understand people back in the day talking about overt shit tests and or nuanced frame battles. I mean they happen, but most people's frames nowadays are weak and socialization lacks finesse. (Now when I enter circles and spaces like Glow's and or Hue's my tune might flip)

Anther thing is you have seducers like Teevster with a position like "lover's and seducers are having an easier time than ever. Beginners may have a bigger barrier though." Makes a lot of sense to me. In a way it's always been like that. Rich getting richer.

With these things in mind, all I have to say to op is the barrier to entry maybe is or just seems (not sure yet) steeper now than ever, but you becoming the man breaking down those barriers is worthwhile. Much more worthwhile than any other time in history imo.

The man fucking around has much better shot at getting that woman 10 years younger than him than his more modest peers.

Plus this was a study researching very narrow women under a societal lens.

Most of them aren't going to say anything secret society or break the illusion that something "Just Happens."

Plenty of articles on not taking what women say at face value and how much context and emotion rules women's behaviors as well as our own.

Scientist and society got the clean answer. Seducers get the dirty action