Talk Emotional, not Logical

Tony D

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I’m working with a guy who’s approaching a lot of women, having insta dates, but not having any second dates. So I asked him to record his daygame approaches on his phone, and listened to them. He’s not coming off as nervous, but his main issue is common amongst men: his conversations are logical, rather than emotional.

For example. He’s talking to a girl about Yoga philosophies, about being in the moment, letting go of outcome, breathing, and this opened the girl’s conversation up. It’s something that I’ve worked with him on, because he wasn’t showing any personality. I told him to talk about his personal philosophies.

Sharing your philosophies on life will open up girls to deeper convo’s, but it’s still surface level. I realized he was creating rapport, but not comfort or attraction. Note, I wasn’t working on push/pull, teasing, sexual framing. Just “self expression.”

So remember that women are “emotional” creatures. What I noticed he, and many other newbies do is they make observations, rather than insights. But what really grabs a woman’s attention is when you tell her how you FEEL about your insights, ideas, philosophies, experiences. This seems to be something coaches have forgotten since RSD dominated the scene. They just don’t talk much about conversation.

Still, most students are focused on “what to say” they forget that women aren’t that interested in anything other than how you feel about it.

For my client, I told him next time to tell her if Yoga makes him feel happy, content, or horny? Does it relieve stress? Does it help him deal with a day next to his asshole boss? Does it calm his racing mind?

If you just read a book about Elon Musk and you’re talking to a girl about it, don’t just tell her about him, his ideas, his accomplishments. Tell her about how it made you feel. How would you feel if you invented the Tesla car? How would you feel if you got to bang Grimes?

This is just the beginning of talking seductively. If you struggle in conversation, just ask yourself “How do I FEEL about this topic?” Once you understand the fundamentals of emotional language, It will open up a whole other level of verbal game.
 

M_Ronin

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There is something I dont understand. Arent we men supposed to be logical? Isnt embodying masculine polarity to their feminine nature what makes them attracted? Then there are dating coaches like you telling me I have to be open with my feelings. To show my softer side.

Too much conflicting information... And Its not like I didnt try this before. Girls eat it all up usually. I open up especially well if I think I wont be judged for it/I really like the girl. But it doesnt feel like seduction exactly. More like friendship.
 

D_Marquis

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Ok so I agree with M_Ronin a bit but maybe my problem is different. After having ~30+ lays off online dating & parties this last year. I can do emotional conversations, but because of my focus on dominance, RP knowledge, I can't connect past certain number of lays. With my new abundance, I'm coming to terms with my smv potential, and feel as if girls should be investing way more after 2-3 lays.

It gets tiring & boring when I can get ons-or 2nd date lays easily, & feel that current girls want me to put more effort. I'd reward their level of investment but hate that it's on me to go out of my way to invest more. So I just end up seeing other girls, if they dont chase/invest. Then end up defaulting to logic/low energy conversations because of lack of interest? Or increase in options? Lol its frustrating.
 

Tony D

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There is something I dont understand. Arent we men supposed to be logical? Isnt embodying masculine polarity to their feminine nature what makes them attracted? Then there are dating coaches like you telling me I have to be open with my feelings. To show my softer side.

Too much conflicting information... And Its not like I didnt try this before. Girls eat it all up usually. I open up especially well if I think I wont be judged for it/I really like the girl. But it doesnt feel like seduction exactly. More like friendship.
Don't mistake being masculine in polarity for being a boring, shallow conversationalist. Of course women are attracted to polarity as we are, but what I'm talking about is an issue where men have flat, dull, surface level conversations with women, and then get friendzoned.

Every case is different. You may not have this problem, as you may be better at communicating with women. Maybe you're a viking and being stoic and logical is attractive to the women you've been dating. There's always going to be conflicting information because seduction is Ruby on Rails, it's an art form.

For the most part, guys should understand the general idea that men are logical, women are emotional. The women love us for our logic, because it's useful and wise, but they suck our dicks because we make them feel emotions. That could be wonder, or fear, etc. But look at how much women love poets, singers, public speakers. It's the language of how we feel about things that moves people. It's just one tool of many.
 

BlandMan0

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Ok so I agree with M_Ronin a bit but maybe my problem is different. After having ~30+ lays off online dating & parties this last year. I can do emotional conversations, but because of my focus on dominance, RP knowledge, I can't connect past certain number of lays. With my new abundance, I'm coming to terms with my smv potential, and feel as if girls should be investing way more after 2-3 lays.

It gets tiring & boring when I can get ons-or 2nd date lays easily, & feel that current girls want me to put more effort. I'd reward their level of investment but hate that it's on me to go out of my way to invest more. So I just end up seeing other girls, if they dont chase/invest. Then end up defaulting to logic/low energy conversations because of lack of interest? Or increase in options? Lol its frustrating.
Maybe they might just be sowing their wild oats with you. Women love sex just as much as men do. This is going to inspire me to talk more than I do because I always get the friendship vibe and not the lover vibe that I want.
 

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IMO men aren’t being logical when we talk in a wooden boring manner; we are actually communicating in a one dimensional essentially inferior manner to women. We treat words like they have an inherent meaning when they don’t. Words have no meaning. They are sounds we make with our mouths. Logic proper only applies to concepts themselves, not reality. Reality is like a raging wild ocean whereas logic is like a calm little pond (can’t remember who said this lol). Naturally men slip into logic because it in fact doesn’t take much intelligence to be logical and it is a mentally safer places. Everything makes sense as it were

If A = B, and B = C, then A = C like no shit lol
Whenever I’m just chilling or vibing with someone, communicating in an emotional manner is natural. Whenever I’m concerned with the truth or trying to explain a difficult concept, this is when I fall into the logical rabbit hole.
 

D_Marquis

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IMO men aren’t being logical when we talk in a wooden boring manner; we are actually communicating in a one dimensional essentially inferior manner to women. We treat words like they have an inherent meaning when they don’t. Words have no meaning. They are sounds we make with our mouths. Logic proper only applies to concepts themselves, not reality. Reality is like a raging wild ocean whereas logic is like a calm little pond (can’t remember who said this lol). Naturally men slip into logic because it in fact doesn’t take much intelligence to be logical and it is a mentally safer places. Everything makes sense as it were

If A = B, and B = C, then A = C like no shit lol
Whenever I’m just chilling or vibing with someone, communicating in an emotional manner is natural. Whenever I’m concerned with the truth or trying to explain a difficult concept, this is when I fall into the logical rabbit hole.
Great feedback guys. I think you make a heavy point with sowing the wild oats @BlandMan0. I relied on assumption that they'd stick around after good sex.
Perhaps there's more competition, they wanted other things or trying other guys.

@Chrance See this is more difficult for me, I find I'm a philosopher type. I like truths, communicating ideas, getting to the heart of the matter, dealing with things more than the actual ambiguity of communication itself. I find "communicating" without meaning to be boring. Its likely pretentious on my part, but I'm snobby in that regard lol

Communication with women aside from flirting as foreplay to escalation is too time consuming haha I prefer hobbies way more. Even though women are great, the high that comes from accomplishment(at least for the moment) is far more motivating.. What has everyone else experienced? Is this a temporary issue, do I need to enamor myself with women all over again? I have multiple FBs but finding it not necessarily adding to my life as far as fulfillment lol Please contribute if you can everyone!
 

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It all depends on the girl, if shes stupid, never attended highschool etc, she wont really be interested in logical conversations on the first date like a university student would

It also depends whether shes interested in the logical topics hes talking about, what if she doesnt give a shit about yoga?

You forgot to add the fact that he should ask her about how SHE feels, and she would eventually ask him back, and when she do, he should just keep it plain, short and SEXUAL

Women are indeed emotional creatures, and absolutely in need of a PROVIDER. Most conversations early on should make her think that you can actually provide something in the table, like what do you for a living? what kind of abilities do you have in life, what can you do? are you a james bond figure that can basically do everything or a gamer that sits on his ass playing games all day long?

Tony ive read some of your threads and i could understand that your a digital nomad? cuz if so, then cheers buddy ! and be careful traveling nowadays ... anyway, most of the conversations i usually had with girls was basically about traveling, showing them pictures of where i have been and ask them if they would want to go there, if your clients doesnt travel, theres free adobe photoshop softwares on the internet, so easy to edit a picture making it look like you've been to los angeles or whatever, and their facebook/tinder or whatever profile picture should always be of themselves in the beach, "it reminds the girls of being naked, and how much they miss the beach"

Cheers
 
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