The biggest epiphany I've had about women, game and life to date. (Long Post)

[Teevster]

well @Teevster this may be hard for you to believe, but there are a lot of players out there who don't use hypnotism or nlp. that seems to be what you define as technical game. i mean i posted a folder full of girls. not just girls, but very hot girls all time and date stamped, most from my snapchat. follow me if you like. i would post pics of every girl if it were allowed, because i stand by my results. at the end of the day, girls like to fuck. you do not have to hypnotize them. most view stacking rehearsed stories on top of each other as contrived. it just seems silly and unnecesary to me.

At no point have i stated the necessity for Hypnosis to get laid.

I have however stated the importance of FRAMES.

Which, is very in line with swinggcat's RWD.

As mentioned above, people are not primarily judged by the lay count, because it can be exagerated and it also leaves out the qualitative aspects such as how hot they are, and also the context (banging 10 girls a year in Iran may be harder than 30 in LA). Additionally, as you seem to agree with, men have different starting points. Men of better genetics and more favoural socio-cultural background will have an easier time than those who don't. An ugly loser who gets 10 lays a year is there skilled pick up wise than a good looking club owner with 30 lays a year.

For this reason people are judged by the quality of their reports and analysis and techniques. Pics does not say much. They can also be faked (not accusing you of doing this) and may also just be pics of girl you talk to, or flirt with, without proving you are actually fucking them (and no, do not post pics of your cock getting sucked off). Hence this is why the quality of ones post and how useful they are to others are the main aspects determining one's success in pick up.

here is how i got to my first hundred:

prior to getting married, i had been with somewhere between 35-50 girls. i have no idea really. in college most of my friends were black athletes. i mostly emulated what they did. they just didn't really give a fuck. i also got some easy lays being the only white guy around sometimes. i've also always lifted weights when single, which helps tremendously.

in 2016 i got on tinder. @Sub-Zero there was no boost at this time. i paid like $10 a month for premium so i could swipe unlimited. i would us game concepts that i learned from rsd in the texts and then on the dates. most of the 75 lays in that year came from this. i was posting tinder conversations. but that is not allowed now either. i'm copying and pasting texts to help guys with their texting currently. i don't post the ones where girls open me with "your gorgeous," like one of my current fbs did. i'm seeing her tonight. if you want my snap i can have her snap you. she's pretty hot lol.

Have you EVER taken a hot girls phone and swiped? you get 30 matches in just a matter of a few minutes Even if you are good looking and photogenic (which you may be, but still does not qualifies as game - also Tinder in general is not qualified as pick up, but this is a controversial subject I will leave out for now) you will still be one of many. The odds of getting girls on Tinder, especially the hotter ones is limited. I have tried this using a male model pic and i invite anybody else to try. Can you get laid on Tinder? yes! Will you get tons of high quality? No, you will not.

anyway i doubt i've hit 100 from cold approach unless you include the ones from before pickup, if you do i am almost certainly there. that would be of more relevance i guess. although nowadays i'd say online is equally to a lot of guy. i spent almost a year going out an average of 3 times per week and seldom pulling. my first pull was like three months in. i got head in a pickup truck in austin texas. it would be another six months until i'd pull to close. luckily i was getting laid on tinder a lot.

Thank you for clarifying. It all makes more sense to me now.

I must apologize for misunderstanding, Knowing game is a result of cold approach - not having a few out of 100 girls like your pic.

after about nine months shit started to pick up. the first lay reports here are from around that time. i was stoked to get lays back to back weeks with the tinder in between.

LR+ - my old lay reports. more to come

these were from the rsd forum. i found them with the wayback machines. not all will load though and my favorite is one of them. anyway good to remember when i first really started pimpin. Tuesday August 8 2017 Had drinks with friends at house. Then walked to local bar. Me and friend approached...

www.skilledseducer.com

After a brief look at the reprots, you fail to provide good contextual analysis, as well as technical analysis. there are also a few things I find questionable in them, but I may discuss this in a future.

but yea it was a lot of rejection for a long time. also a lot of going direct.

So maybe the better question would be... what is your meet to lay ratio?

it started to work. but around maybe january of 2018 i discovered swinggcat. trying to implement his shit my game took a huge step backwards. i was already doing a lot of the stuff he recommended but hadn't gotten anywhere near where he was at. after a few months of studying him my game was next level. in july of 2018 i was dating two certified stunner chicks. one was a college student who become my girlfriend. one was an acctress whose movie roles were things like "hot chick." i would spend the next year in a committed relationship in which would only cheat a couple times.

Cool, but you never see the pros spend more words bragging about how hot they girls are, then delivering content, like in your case. More content, less bragging.

Pablo is one of those guys who fuck the hottest girls around (even Matador has stated to be impressed by him) and you have never seen him brag in his lay reports on mASF.

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etween june of 2017 and august of 2018 i probably slept with fifty chicks for cold approach. since my breakup i estimated recently another thirty in the past six months. i've written two field reports since. i'll post them both below. i have pics of both chicks, but i'm not allowed to post them.

And yet out of those 50 girls, you still have failed to provide any clue of deeper theoretical or technical understanding.

the moral of the story is, it's hard work for anyone. but it requires no knowledge of hypnotism whatsoever. girls really do like to fuck. here are technical concepts i use off the top of my head:

I can agree with this, but please link me to a post where you discuss any of these.... (I know you shared one of swinggcats hypnotic patterns).

Now regarding hypnosis:

qualifying and disqualfying the girl (fractionation)
disqualifying and dhving myself (frame control and convying perceptions)
push pull (Fractionation)
push pull with emotional vulnerability - it's different with you shit (Fractionation)
intrigue - can i tell you something, can you keep a secret (intrigue is hypnosis)
role playing (role playing is framing and elicitation)
blaming the chick (frame control)
disqualifying sex (frame control, inducing a feeling of lack)
using we language (hypnosis - rapport)

I love swinggcats stuff, but I still miss seeing more posts on you covering the depth of his method. It focuses a lot of framing, which as you may not have guessed was one of the main pillars of my game. Swinggcat is one of my biggest inspirations.

PS: swinggcat was also one of Ross' best students.... huuum..

then there's the basic stuff like making eye contact, leading, speaking loud, downward tonality, and escalating. and i hate to break it to, considering i know how hard you try, but you can get laid fairly consistently just by those five things and approaching enough. it really isn't that hard. i think you guys overcomplicate it personally. question me all you want. i had no problem proving my results, but the kibosh has but put on that whole thing.

Fair enough, but one thing is doing attractive things, one thing is managing context, talking about real world phenomena. I still have not seen you post about things like heavy decision making under pressure, wildcards, or any of those other key aspects that are directly related to the real world - aspects that are key to success beyond just "getting lucky".

but i do like that you frame that i don't do anything technical when my posts completely suggest otherwise. i just think the stuff you do is silly. maybe it works for you. i don't know, nor do i really care. i don't think more than a handful of people are having success the way you do. but a lot of people are getting laid. maybe just because people do stuff differently than you it doesn't make them wrong. if you're that focused on being right, i feel sorry for you honestly. this should be fun

One thing I do not need to do is to show you that people do have major success with my material - as a matter of fact, glow posted a lay report 30 minute ago.

On NextASF, when you posted under "allmyfriendsaredead", I cannot remember seeing any technical posts from you.

But I do not mind being proved otherwise.

I will be curious to know, what did you try to accomplish with stating your lay count here.

That could be quite revealing.

Maybe I should shared mine, as well as my ratio.

Meh, I will let people judge by my material, unless anyone really wants to know my count (which I honestly have not managed to keep track on after my 100th lay many years ago.)

Best,

 

[Teevster]

@Teevster here's a challenge. we use the same pictures of the same guy and make a tinder account a month apart. we spoof out location with google chrome to the same city. let's see who does better. it's the only way to make everything even. if you have so much better of an understanding of women than me this should be an easy challenge for you.

This is a pick up forum, so no.

I'd rather do pick up - i.e. get into the field and bring home a hotter girl.

 

[Shake&Bake]

well @Teevster this may be hard for you to believe, but there are a lot of players out there who don't use hypnotism or nlp. that seems to be what you define as technical game. i mean i posted a folder full of girls. not just girls, but very hot girls all time and date stamped, most from my snapchat. follow me if you like. i would post pics of every girl if it were allowed, because i stand by my results. at the end of the day, girls like to fuck. you do not have to hypnotize them. most view stacking rehearsed stories on top of each other as contrived. it just seems silly and unnecesary to me.

here is how i got to my first hundred:

prior to getting married, i had been with somewhere between 35-50 girls. i have no idea really. in college most of my friends were black athletes. i mostly emulated what they did. they just didn't really give a fuck. i also got some easy lays being the only white guy around sometimes. i've also always lifted weights when single, which helps tremendously.

in 2016 i got on tinder. @Sub-Zero there was no boost at this time. i paid like $10 a month for premium so i could swipe unlimited. i would us game concepts that i learned from rsd in the texts and then on the dates. most of the 75 lays in that year came from this. i was posting tinder conversations. but that is not allowed now either. i'm copying and pasting texts to help guys with their texting currently. i don't post the ones where girls open me with "your gorgeous," like one of my current fbs did. i'm seeing her tonight. if you want my snap i can have her snap you. she's pretty hot lol.

anyway i doubt i've hit 100 from cold approach unless you include the ones from before pickup, if you do i am almost certainly there. that would be of more relevance i guess. although nowadays i'd say online is equally to a lot of guy. i spent almost a year going out an average of 3 times per week and seldom pulling. my first pull was like three months in. i got head in a pickup truck in austin texas. it would be another six months until i'd pull to close. luckily i was getting laid on tinder a lot.

after about nine months shit started to pick up. the first lay reports here are from around that time. i was stoked to get lays back to back weeks with the tinder in between.

LR+ - my old lay reports. more to come

these were from the rsd forum. i found them with the wayback machines. not all will load though and my favorite is one of them. anyway good to remember when i first really started pimpin. Tuesday August 8 2017 Had drinks with friends at house. Then walked to local bar. Me and friend approached...

www.skilledseducer.com

i used to post lay reports on rsdnation regularly. i used to wayback machine and found some but most weren't available. but theres a few in that link.

but yea it was a lot of rejection for a long time. also a lot of going direct. it started to work. but around maybe january of 2018 i discovered swinggcat. trying to implement his shit my game took a huge step backwards. i was already doing a lot of the stuff he recommended but hadn't gotten anywhere near where he was at. after a few months of studying him my game was next level. in july of 2018 i was dating two certified stunner chicks. one was a college student who become my girlfriend. one was an acctress whose movie roles were things like "hot chick." i would spend the next year in a committed relationship in which would only cheat a couple times.

between june of 2017 and august of 2018 i probably slept with fifty chicks for cold approach. since my breakup i estimated recently another thirty in the past six months. i've written two field reports since. i'll post them both below. i have pics of both chicks, but i'm not allowed to post them.

the moral of the story is, it's hard work for anyone. but it requires no knowledge of hypnotism whatsoever. girls really do like to fuck. here are technical concepts i use off the top of my head:

qualifying and disqualfying the girl
disqualifying and dhving myself
push pull
push pull with emotional vulnerability - it's different with you shit
intrigue - can i tell you something, can you keep a secret
role playing
blaming the chick
disqualifying sex
using we language

then there's the basic stuff like making eye contact, leading, speaking loud, downward tonality, and escalating. and i hate to break it to, considering i know how hard you try, but you can get laid fairly consistently just by those five things and approaching enough. it really isn't that hard. i think you guys overcomplicate it personally. question me all you want. i had no problem proving my results, but the kibosh has but put on that whole thing.

but i do like that you frame that i don't do anything technical when my posts completely suggest otherwise. i just think the stuff you do is silly. maybe it works for you. i don't know, nor do i really care. i don't think more than a handful of people are having success the way you do. but a lot of people are getting laid. maybe just because people do stuff differently than you it doesn't make them wrong. if you're that focused on being right, i feel sorry for you honestly. this should be fun

LR - Thursday bar game

I started out at my normal bar. This bar is where 90% of my pulls come from. This cute short blonde chick approached me. She’s early thirties and a high five. She’d likely been a high six ten years ago. Regardless she’s never been that hot. She’s drunk and soft spoken an odd combination. She...

www.skilledseducer.com

LR - 8+ daytime pull

Went out to a bar near the beach on sunday. i went with my friend, his girlfriend, and their cute dog. i hadn't seen them much recently so i pretty much stayed seated with them on an outdoor couch. there had been one girl who i was decidedly interested in. when i had gotten up to use the...

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You mind if I got your Snapchat to add you?

 

[Teevster]

@Teevster this whole red yellow green thing is stupid. the idea that there are three ways to classify a girls interest. almost all girls require game. it's rare a girl is truly green. but also how often is a girl truly yellow, like totally indifferent. i focus on girls who give me a chance. it's pretty rare they're just dtf. although, that does happen. usually girls are either open or not open. sometimes they'll flat out reject you harshly and sometimes they'll just be ready to go. i find both those two to be rare. almost always they're friendly and either will give you a chance or won't. most of this pickup jargon is complete nonsense.

This is not very coherent with...

i had almost what i’d refer to as a spiritual experience in june of 2018. i realized that the woman problem was taken care of. sense i’ve dropped a lot of techniques and do way better. i’m not marketing anything. i still use a lot of techniques because i basically ingrained them into my personality.

i agree that at least for me i didn’t get good inner game until i had good outter game. i don’t see the point in spending time in long sets running verbals on maybe girls when there are so many yes girls.

also yes girls is an exaggeration. because yes they’re interested. but it’s not like it doesn’t take game to get them home 90% or the time. the term yes girl makes it sound like you say hello and she asks where you live.

 

[naturalmikey]

@Teevster even if it's not pickup, considering you understand women so much better than me it should be easy for you to win this challenge. like you said even with a male model tinder isn't easy. it really is a lot about your messages.

i mean if you wanna come to la cool, but i'm not going to europe. i have literally spent a total of less than two years doing cold approach, with almost half the time getting no results early on. nearly the entire time i was on nextasf i had a girlfriend and would just join in on discussions, because i was trying to keep some semblance of a relationship to pickup.

i talk about all the shit i said all the time. here is a text breakdown where i talk about game concepts.

LR - tinder text breakdown

my field reports have went from relatively easy lays to easy tinder straight to home dates. it's 2019 and i honestly believe a very minimal amount of game is necessary, at least in large western metropolisses. girls are so easy right now. if you've been out of the game a while welcome the fuck...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Shake&Bake]

@Teevster even if it's not pickup, considering you understand women so much better than me it should be easy for you to win this challenge. like you said even with a male model tinder isn't easy. it really is a lot about your messages.

i mean if you wanna come to la cool, but i'm not going to europe. i have literally spent a total of less than two years doing cold approach, with almost half the time getting no results early on. nearly the entire time i was on nextasf i had a girlfriend and would just join in on discussions, because i was trying to keep some semblance of a relationship to pickup.

i talk about all the shit i said all the time. here is a text breakdown where i talk about game concepts.

LR - tinder text breakdown

my field reports have went from relatively easy lays to easy tinder straight to home dates. it's 2019 and i honestly believe a very minimal amount of game is necessary, at least in large western metropolisses. girls are so easy right now. if you've been out of the game a while welcome the fuck...

www.skilledseducer.com

What type of job do you have to live in L.A? I hear the competition is fierce there

 

[Teevster]

@Teevster even if it's not pickup, considering you understand women so much better than me it should be easy for you to win this challenge. like you said even with a male model tinder isn't easy. it really is a lot about your messages.

i mean if you wanna come to la cool, but i'm not going to europe. i have literally spent a total of less than two years doing cold approach, with almost half the time getting no results early on. nearly the entire time i was on nextasf i had a girlfriend and would just join in on discussions, because i was trying to keep some semblance of a relationship to pickup.

i talk about all the shit i said all the time. here is a text breakdown where i talk about game concepts.

LR - tinder text breakdown

my field reports have went from relatively easy lays to easy tinder straight to home dates. it's 2019 and i honestly believe a very minimal amount of game is necessary, at least in large western metropolisses. girls are so easy right now. if you've been out of the game a while welcome the fuck...

www.skilledseducer.com

So now, "Tinder abilities" (swiping tons of profiles and add a nice pic on your profile). is a reflection of female understanding? Is this a joke? Or are you serious?

Please do not try to change subject.

 

[naturalmikey]

This is not very coherent with...

sounds about the same to me. true yes/green girls are rare.

 

[naturalmikey]

So now, doing Tinder is a reflection of female understanding? Is this a joke?

if i don't understand women and you do, then you should have no trouble doing better with the same person.

 

[Teevster]

if i don't understand women and you do, then you should have no trouble doing better with the same person.

Ok this is a clear indication that something is off here.

On tinder you do not have the girl next to you for calibration (hence you cannot "understand her" really)
On tinder, you do not have the potential to deliver your game
Onder tinder, there is no context you can play with.

Your challenge is as silly as a kid who wants to outcompete a seal by challenging him to play call of duty.

Please do not, try to change subject.

 

[naturalmikey]

You mind if I got your Snapchat to add you?

so what do you think? am i full of shit lol

 

[naturalmikey]

@Teevster well man i've posted my results, when it was allowed. i've posted my picture. maybe it's my supreme genetics. but i think most would agree that i'm above average, but not that hot. i don't what the explanation is to why i can get girls who are more attractive than me. i don't know why i do better on tinder than guys better looking than me. let's just chalk it up to luck. okay? does that make you happy? you can argue all you like how i get the results. it might not be what you consider game. maybe your the authority on game in your own mind. i think a lot of people would say i helped them. people say that. i try to offer easy actionable advice that isn't too complicated. i don't overcomplicate it for myself.

 

[Teevster]

A pic is NOT a proof of result. Please read my message above for justification. You are going in circle.

You have failed to answer my objections.

As we used to say "they all crack" when questioned.

But I will still allow myself to ask a final question:

"How many cold approach lays have you gotten the year you were actively doing it?"

 

[naturalmikey]

A pic is NOT a proof of result. Please read my message above for justification. You are going in circle.

You have failed to answer my objections.

As we used to say "they all crack" when questioned.

snapchat can't be faked. it's taken from your account and stored to your account lol

i can have the chick coming over tonight say "teevster doesn't know what he's talking about." i can record it and post it lol

 

[Teevster]

snapchat can't be faked. it's taken from your account and stored to your account lol

Eh, you trying to tell me you want to send pics of you fucking girls? That's a bit weird isn't it?

 

[naturalmikey]

i'm done bro. good job. you win

 

[Teevster]

@Teevster well man i've posted my results, when it was allowed. i've posted my picture. maybe it's my supreme genetics. but i think most would agree that i'm above average, but not that hot. i don't what the explanation is to why i can get girls who are more attractive than me. i don't know why i do better on tinder than guys better looking than me. let's just chalk it up to luck. okay? does that make you happy? you can argue all you like how i get the results. it might not be what you consider game. maybe your the authority on game in your own mind. i think a lot of people would say i helped them. people say that. i try to offer easy actionable advice that isn't too complicated. i don't overcomplicate it for myself.

So you are not superhot and you get 75 lays a year?

Huum, must be your tight game...

Eeh, I forgot, all you can do on Tinder is text... and text is your only weapon against the other 200 guys who liked her pic that same day, who she may have matched with, who are now overinflating her ego, and some of them may be really hot.

And meanwhile, she may ignore them all just for the sake of attention, and rather meet men in real life since that's more in tune with female biology, since she can actually ASSESS the guy IRL.

So you are basically getting 75 lays a year... from outcompeting 100s of other guys from her "spam folder" (which tinder has somewhat become for most high end girls). And this... is done with one of the least powerful pick up tools there is: texting.

Lots of things that does not make sense here.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Maybe I should shared mine, as well as my ratio

Meh, I will let people judge by my material, unless anyone really wants to know my count (which I honestly have not managed to keep track on after my 100th lay many years ago.)

You can share that too. I just wanted to know where you got most of your lays from, how much you went out, how long it took to get your first 100, and what you recommend for others to do to get there.

 

[Teevster]

You can share that too. I just wanted to know where you got most of your lays from, how much you went out, how long it took to get your first 100, and what you recommend for others to do to get there.

3-4 lays before entering the seduction community.
100 lays in 2010.
Stopped counting after that. Some have estimated I am at 250+ but I cannot tell for sure.

Generally I will pull one girl per week end, reason being that I struggled pulling the night after having sex - (low sex drive, low motivation etc - a very common difficulty). although I do pull twice a week end.

I have on high momentum a 1/3 - 1/5 ratio (I count in sets here and not individual girls - if I approach 1 group 3 of, my ratio is 1/1). On Medium momentum it is 1/5-1/7 and low momentum it can go up to 1/10 (an issue though is that on low-momentum i may not approach up to 10 girls! so i may go home alone), sometimes more if things are going really south in my life. This ratio are numbers that other worthy members of this forum can more or less back-up.

Those ratios are average ratios - and average made over a period of time - i.e. 1-3 month.

I get less than 5% of my lays from Tinder - it usually bores me. I match, I chat, then) head out and forget about them. Rest is from nightgame. I do admit that i should start daygaming again, but I like to spend my week days focusing on other things - and considering I get enough from the week ends, I tend to stick to it as my sources of lays.

I occasionally have day 2's and dates - but I tend to focus in 90% of the time on actually GETTING the girl the same night.

 

[Sub-Zero]

3-4 lays before entering the seduction community.
100 lays in 2010.
Stopped counting after that. Some have estimated I am at 250+ but I cannot tell for sure.

Generally I will pull one girl per week end, reason being that I struggled pulling the night after having sex - (low sex drive, low motivation etc - a very common difficulty). although I do pull twice a week end.

I have on high momentum a 1/3 - 1/5 ratio (I count in sets here and not individual girls - if I approach 1 group 3 of, my ratio is 1/1). On Medium momentum it is 1/5-1/7 and low momentum it can go up to 1/10 (an issue though is that on low-momentum i may not approach up to 10 girls! so i may go home alone), sometimes more if things are going really south in my life. This ratio are numbers that other worthy members of this forum can more or less back-up.

Those ratios are average ratios - and average made over a period of time - i.e. 1-3 month.

I get less than 5% of my lays from Tinder - it usually bores me. I match, I chat, then) head out and forget about them. Rest is from nightgame. I do admit that i should start daygaming again, but I like to spend my week days focusing on other things - and considering I get enough from the week ends, I tend to stick to it as my sources of lays.

I occasionally have day 2's and dates - but I tend to focus in 90% of the time on actually GETTING the girl the same night.

Ok so you’re a night game club/bar kind of dude that goes for the same night lay instead of dates n shit. Gotcha. I agree with you focusing on other things during the week too and going out on the weekends for girls.

So is there a certain amount of days you recommend to go out a week? At what point do you think we can get consistent results of getting a girl each outing? And How long would it normally take to get to 100 lays from that?

I think this will probably help me because I haven't tried pulling a lot of girls home from clubs. Clubs do get expensive though, but I want to go out a lot more.