the HUGE problem with GirlsChase!

[Marty]

Okay. I would normally refrain completely from contributing to an overwhelmingly negative thread, but I am so... outraged is probably the right word, at the inaccuracy and lack of perspective in recent commentary, that I feel compelled to speak out lest my silence be interpreted as weakness.

My first point is that Chase taught me a very valuable lesson: the smart men and women pay attention to others' actions, not their words—so anyone who dismisses the site's creator and thought leader in belittling language, while at the same time returning day after day and making hundreds of posts in under six months, is disingenuous.

Which leads me to my next point, on the value of the advice given here on the forum by the leadership. I will speak from my own experience, because that is always the most specific and direct course. I am very far from being a seducer. I have no experience of sex outside the traditional relationship/social-circle context: literally ZERO. I have never successfully held on to a girl from a cold approach, and I don't consider myself socially gifted beyond an understanding of the basic norms of collective behavior. In short, I am a complete beginner.

Franco has come back to me time after time to help with my dumb, exasperating, clueless questions and given patient and lucid responses to almost all of them.

As for my field reports, I was speechless to see what level of detail and thought had gone into Chase's response to me two days ago. This was not a "pat on the back" either: this was sharp, pointed, and entirely justified criticism of the glaring errors in my interaction. It must have taken him 30 minutes. I don't know how Chase values his time, but considering his reputation and the unique effectiveness of his school of thought versus the competition, I'd say the market value of the advice contained in that post alone would be at least $100. And if I make the best of it, it could be worth much more to me.

I'd never be able to afford the guidance contained in this forum if I had to pay its full market value (at one stage in my career I was well compensated but circumstances beyond my control have forced me to accept employment at much lower pay at present). If/when I have the capability to do so, I intend to "pay it forward" by helping someone else in the same manner.

The main site and forum are managed to an exceptional level of professionalism, from the quality and appropriateness of the illustrative photographs in the articles, to the search capabilities, to the organization of the forum and its constant maintenance and supervision. I am beyond impressed.

I know what this is, because I've seen it before... it's a cry for attention. A toddler smashes a crystal vase on the floor because he knows it will get his parents' attention. The difference here is that in the world of high-achieving individuals, such cries go (rightly) unheeded. You might say I should have desisted from commentary, but I do not consider myself a high-achieving individual. But I have worked with many of them, and I can tell you, tantrums are not generally rewarded with attention in their world. The way to get their attention and enlist their assistance is through quiet persistence and diligence. Talented individuals have a knack for spotting this, because they rely on trusted supporters to help shoulder the burden they carry, and thus assist in adding to the value that they create.

As for the original topic, the Eastern European question, I spent over 7 years of my life in the region and speak more than one of its languages, very well, and though I didn't have access to Girls Chase at that time, I know I made exactly the errors described as beginners' blunders here, and feel 100% sure that if I had applied the doctrine outlined on this site, I'd have had incomparably better results. I have lived on multiple continents and can tell you that there is nothing whatsoever US-centric about the advice given on the main site.

-Marty

 

[Ryan]

I said i wasn't going to post again, but i just want to clarify things.

To use Franco's metaphor: Suppose you were a homeless man. On a street of homeless people. You don't expect anyone to help you; you just got on with your life and hoped that continuous hard work will get you out of poverty.
But suddenly, here comes a millionaire. He considers himself a good man so he wishes to give part of his earnings to some of those less advantageous. So he gives a few hundred to the homeless. But only to a certain few. Only to the people he treats as a friend, or deems worthy enough to receive the gift. And so, from these continuous hand-outs, those homeless men gradually use it to buy houses, cars and investments. But of course, they stay there to receive the handouts as always.
All the while, you're left in the cold. It's not that he doesn't give you a hundred dollars a month. It's that he gives others so much, and he doesn't give you anything Not even a little change or some words of encouragement. You're just as involved in the homeless community as everyone else, and you do your bit to help others, with no heed to who they are, as much as anyone else. So you're stuck living in a cardboard box and working at KFC everyday while others around you are receiving their monthly windfalls and hailing him as their messiah. And when you question them, they say 'hey, he built this road for us so we have this wonderful community, be grateful'. That's not the point. The point is, is that he selectively offers his help repeatedly to those who are relatively richer anyway, while the more needy are rejected for months or forever, before they're considered worthy in his eyes to be given his 'gifts'. That's not truly caring about the community (which is what Franco first said, and I objected). That's being friends with the elite and pissing on everyone else.
Elitism- The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

To Marty: I'm not having a tantrum. If i did, then i would have had it back in late 2013 when Chase didn't respond to my questions aimed at him, yet I was one of the first to respond to his thread on improving the Newbie Assignment. And then he gives his 100th piece of advice to the same usual suspects, while ignoring everyone else.
But the fact that he did it again recently (and seems he'll continue doing it) of only helping his friends, makes me wonder why he's got a Mother Teresa status on here as the ultimate philantropist. Mother Teresa didn't just give support to the poor who had the potential to pay her back one day, she gave small but equal support to everyone in need, regardless of who they were.

 

[Nuncle]

I would just say, Ryan, that to "aim" forum questions specifically at Chase is a bit of a breach of etiquette.

The forum isn't a vehicle for free coaching from Chase, although he does comment on it sometimes in the same way a regular user would.

Like most posters I guess he just dives in when a topic catches his interest. Maybe the posters you mention happen to be interested in the same angles as him.

 

[Ryan]

If you had trouble understanding a recent article, and it's not like he responds to the majority of the commentators who ask him to clarify things (tried that), and you couldn't PM him (he doesn't like that), then the only way would be to make a forum post, no?

 

[Nuncle]

He really does respond to 99% of the questions submitted under his articles.

That is perfectly obvious even from a cursory glance through them!

 

[Ryan]

He really does respond to 99% of the questions submitted under his articles.

That is perfectly obvious even from a cursory glance through them!

I just saw the recent ones and he has begun replying a lot more. But back in 2013, he didn't reply to my comment on s certain article (which i forgot) and other comments similar for a week, and i stopped checking after that.

Anyway, this is not in any way related to my point i was trying to say above.

 

[gifatron]

We'll, it'll be nice if he'd come on the forums to actually help people who need his help or encouragement, rather than always replying to the same usual suspects.

Just a few days ago he replied to about a dozen posts in the field reports section, including one of mine -- and it was pretty helpful/informative, and basically exactly what I needed to hear.

 

[Smurf]

Ryan, instead of questioning things and crying over the past which can't be changed, this is time you can use to be getting girls NOW! Get rid of your negative attitude and just use information that most people would charge fortunes for to your own benefit.

Jake.

 

[Chase]

Okay… draft 4 of this response. Let's see if I can get it concise and stay off all the tangents I went on in the other drafts.

ATTAINABILITY

This website is designed to put the tools in your hands to allow you to make yourself into whatever kind of man you want and get whatever kind of WOMEN you want. Ever play any of the Elder Scrolls games? Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim…? I played the second one out, Daggerfall, and they had this really cool character creation system, where you could pick whatever race, class, attributes, strengths, and weaknesses you wanted, and build ANY kind of character you wanted. I loved that so hard, and I've really tried to build the GC system that way. You can't be everything at once - you can't be the James Bond super smooth type and the dark brooding "I'll just wait over here" skulky type and the chipper, vivacious lively type all at once, but you CAN pick one of those out and outfit it as you see fit to do well nigh whatever you want.

The key to girls who may find you intimidating is attainability, and if you think I don't harp on that enough, you need to read more articles. What's one of the most commonly linked to articles on this website? Answer… the one on auto-rejection. What is auto-rejection? It's when your attainability is too low? What's that mean, Chase? It means you are coming across as too high, too mighty, too intimidating, and girls feel like they can't access your value, so they clam up and go cold. How do you solve it? By being more attainable. That includes:

• Being humble
• Using self-deprecating humor
• Showing a great deal of interest
• Building a strong emotional connection

… and the list goes on. But you get the point. If you're ignoring attainability, well, you're making a common mistake, but it's a painful one, and it doesn't go away until you get that. That's why I talk about it over and over again. You come off as too much, you don't get the girl. You come across too low in attainability, or too high in attainability, you don't get the girl. That's how it goes.

NATIONALITY

Really?:

• Ricardus: German
• Alek: Norwegian
• Peter: Australian
• Cody: Australian
• Jerome: (wrote the Asian guys / white girls piece, and joining the team this month) Chinese

The only regular non-boards contributors to the site from the U.S. are Colt, Drexel, and me. This is one of the most international men's dating advice sites out there.

As for where this stuff works, I've picked up quite successfully in Europe, China, and Japan; I've coached guys in and from all of these countries who do quite fine there with women; and I've had students go clean up in Russia, though I have yet to visit. India's still a question mark for me, and I hear a lot of discouraging things from the guys from there… but I'm not going to rule it out until I get my feet on the ground. There are a lot of things I hear people say cannot be done, only to check them out myself and find otherwise.

MONEY

Sure, I care about money. Are you kidding me? What's the point of slaving away to build a business if you don't want it to succeed? If you must know, this business costs no less than $4,000 per month to run, and typically closer to $5,000. That's for writers, editors, image arrangers (we actually have a girl who picks out images and optimizes them for the web! And she's great, by the way), formatters, developers, our very own managed dedicated server (no, we cannot use a shared server for 8 bucks a month… not with the traffic we get. We had to move to a dedicated server loooong ago or the site wouldn't run) with RAM out the ass because we need it for a dynamic content-heavy site serving 700K+ visitors every month, customer service, miscellaneous odd jobs, and the occasional marketing and advertising when I do it. That is before ANY pay goes out to me.

As late as mid-2012, I was very close to laying off everyone involved, including Ricardus, who was doing some awesome writing at the time (in fact, likely a factor in why he left and started his own business was because I kept spooking him with "Sorry dude, I might need to lay you off" emails), and Genaro, our Grade A customer service guy, and hanging up my writer's cap and just letting the site sit as a relic and produce whatever income it could until costs outweighed income, because I was suffocating under a massive amount of startup debt from previous failed businesses and this one was only making enough to cover its costs.

Fortunately, I hacked my way out of that situation and found a way for GC to grow and prosper, otherwise you'd be hanging out on mPUA forums and wondering how Gambler spent all his free time instead.

Some people come from a value system that says "Money is bad, and people who want money are bad." I understand that; I have no interest in trying to persuade anyone otherwise. Personally, I don't care about money itself; I care about what it BUYS, and what it BUYS is FREEDOM.

If I make money, I can write articles, help people, and invent things - I can do whatever of these I want, as much as I want, whenever I want.

If I don't make money, then I fail, I give up my dreams, and I go be a cog in someone else's system.

I go back to spending my time napping in front of government computers and putting together spreadsheets to help militaries track their supply lines so they can more effectively bomb other countries for longer periods of time.

So, YES, I want a successful business. YES, I want it to be as goddamn successful as I can possibly make it. If I make this thing work, that means I can do the other things I want to do - and believe it or not, every major business idea of mine is centered on taking things that people do every day and making them EASIER and BETTER, because that's both where I see tons and tons of business opportunity (anytime you can streamline or optimize something that people yank their hair out trying to do - like meet girls - you win), AND that's where I see my chance to positively impact large numbers of lives for the better.

People always point at what you're doing, but they never stop and ask why. Why is Chase working 16 hour days? Is it to make more money so he can buy a bigger island to retire on someday?

God no. Do you have any idea how bored I'd be sitting on an island with nothing to do? Or in some luxury apartment in the middle of downtown in the heart of the club district?

I don't need money for that. I have cool friends who will let me stay in their penthouses whenever I want. What *I* want money for is building things that bring massive value to everyone around me, in ways that they did not even realize their lives were lacking, but find indispensable once they have them.

I am a builder. I need money to build. And I like building things that include lots of other people, because building things that are just for you is super boring.

FAVORITISM

Again, another example of looking at what Chase does, and not asking, "Why?" but rather jumping to conclusions.

Chase congratulates some guys on getting laid, but doesn't respond to XYZ other post.

Obvious favoritism.

Except… no. Wrong. Try again.

Here's what really happened:

I came on the board after not getting on here in something like forever. Why? Because I am working my ass off trying to build this business (if you must know, I have been hiring and firing people the past several weeks, and I want to rip my eyeballs out. The end result will be less work for me, freeing up my time to focus more on biz dev, but in the meantime, I am finding some saints sent from heaven who make the running of this business easier, and some people who can't seem to get it right no matter how many times I tell them… makes you want to smack your head against concrete).

Anyway, believe it or not, I have a process for clearing the boards, just like I do clearing the comments, and it's deliberately designed to AVOID any favoritism (or appearance of favoritism).

That process is this: whatever boards it's been the longest since I paid any attention to, I go in and clear them.

The last time I was on here, I cleared Beginners, General, and T&T. So where'd I go this time? Field Reports and Sex.

When I'm on there, I don't just respond to anyone or anything. I read the other replies too. If other guys are handling whatever the question is from the OP and there's nothing for me to add, I'm not going to weigh in just to say, "Totally agree with Marty!" or, "Zphix is right on the money!" because that's insulting to those guys, and a waste of my time. Instead, I look for the posts where there's clearly stuff that the other commenters are MISSING, or the occasional pat on the back for a guy well done.

Forum commenting takes a LOT of time. A lot. And I am not a guy who has much time. So I'm not on here to be everybody's hang out bro that they kick back and smoke a doobie with. I'm here to make sure everyone's pointed in the right direction, not spinning his wheels doing stupid stuff, and is having a generally good and productive time.

It would be cool if I had infinite time. I really do enjoy forums, and we've got a lot of genuinely extremely cool individuals on this board, and I'm fortunate to have developed a good rapport with some of them over time. Again, that takes time, it's gradual, and it's about a MUTUAL exchange of value… you can't force rapport. One of the big lessons from this website.

So, I go in and I clear the first board of posts on Field Reports and Sex. Read every single post there. The OPs. Scan the responses. Maybe read a few other posts if Franco PM'd me about them or I checked on a guy's name I know to see how he's doing and saw he had an interesting-sounding post.

One thing that stands out to me is that there aren't any Field Reports from Ryan on the first page of the Field Reports board. Aren't any on the second page, either. None on the third page. In fact, I have to go back to the beginning of December to find any action by you, Ryan. So, might be you've been busy, and that's fine; but, if you're not on a board when I get to it, I'm probably not going to respond, because I just didn't see your posts.

If I don't respond, it's because:

• I didn't see the post (wasn't on a board I was clearing when I cleared it; wasn't wild and crazy like this one and Franco PM'd me)
• I saw the post, but there was nothing in it that needed clarification by me, or made me think I ought to pat the guy on the back

... and that's it.

HELP

I'll close this by saying that I do my best to make sure everyone's doing good and succeeding. I CANNOT DO EVERYTHING MYSELF. One of the first things I said to Franco when I started this forum was that I'm probably going to be most active in the beginning, to make sure everyone is up-to-speed and to instill the right culture in the place. Over time though, I know I'm going to get bogged down and not always be on here, and that's going to be fine, because the POINT of a place like this is not for me to always be on here and help everyone individually - if I was going to do that, I'd need to make it members only, limit it to about 50 guys, and charge each one of those guys $10K a year. Instead, the point for a guy in my position is leveling other guys up and instilling the culture in them, so that they can then start teaching other guys and leveling THOSE guys up and instilling the culture in THEM, and so on and so forth. Then, still coming on here to provide a steady hand and make sure those guys aren't missing anything, and do a course correct if the culture starts veering in a wayward direction, or smack down anyone who gets overly negative or starts espousing voodoo tricks he read in some PUA blackbook and never has actually tried, or anything like that.

So yeah, a few days back, I spent a healthy chunk of my work day responding to forum posts instead of working. I've had other guys who used to run forums tell me they're a time sink, I should shut mine down (or not open another one, before I opened this one), and they're the one thing those guys regretted most about having in their previous businesses. I opened this because the community wanted it, and because I've found in my life that good things come from building communities of good people. This forum doesn't make much impact in the bottom line - it doesn't get traffic (doesn't generate new leads); site revenue DECREASED after I brought it online (think that was just a coincidence… but it certainly doesn't add much, if any, extra cash); and most visitors to the main site never even see it. But I'm here regardless. I may not be on here all the time, but I AM still here.

Even if you don't always see me in your post threads.

Chase

 

[thedude]

That was a cool post. I like this post^

Also Chase, if you ever want to smoke a doobie with someone, I am pretty down.

 

[Richard]

I'm breaking a promise I made to myself in order to respond to this because it's interesting what's going on.

I'll address MisterX first because he originally started this thread, and I apologize if I reiterate anything that's already been said.

When I was writing for the site and in frequent contact with Chase, this is something he messaged me about my writing:

Note on demographics - you seem to be writing with the assumption that all of us are U.S.-based, but in fact half the readership is not from the States, and aside from you, me, and the other guys who've written for us from the boards (Ross, Eric), Colt's the only other American writer we've had on the site (Pete and Cody are Australian, Ricardus is German, and Alek is Norwegian). Fine to use U.S.-based statistics for stuff (the U.S. often has the most comprehensive data sets / most readily available studies), but also realize you're talking to the whole world, too! (top 10 countries making up the readership are U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, India, Singapore, Philippines, Germany, Malaysia, and the Netherlands)

GirlsChase is already a multicultural business, and when you look at the comments on articles, you'll notice that people verbally explain that they are from other countries.

For guys who want the average cut of the mill woman instead of sleeping with hoards of women, this site allows you to do that. Do you think I joined the site to fuck everything I want? No. I joined the site to find a great girlfriend myself, and have found 2 since joining GC (current GF is amazing!). This site isn't geared towards getting guys to sleep with multiple women, nor is it geared towards getting you to believe things you don't want to.

The site is a database, covering things from: Getting a relationship to attracting women to sleeping with multiple women. There are resources and articles on all of your woman needs, and they are yours to do with as you please.

I've met and developed pretty fucking spectacular relations with guys from the site (experienced guys) and they don't endorse changing who you are to seduce women. If you don't want to sleep with multiple women, then don't. Guys I know all prefer to sleep with a few women while looking for a GF, or steady partner (as I was doing).

Also, the site doesn't say anywhere that you have to change your standards, nor does it say you have to go after the 10/10 women. Most guys prefer women to meet women like that, and for those who naturally don't, it's usually out of personal perception. However, once guys learn that it is possible to sleep with 10/10 girls, they want to (and it's certainly possible, I joined the site having only dated one girl).

Ryan, the remainder of my post is for you.

We'll, it'll be nice if he'd come on the forums to actually help people who need his help or encouragement, rather than always replying to the same usual suspects.

The reason why you see higher ranked guys (like myself, Chase, etc) not comment so much on new questions, is because they've been answered already. Every PM I get is usually the same (approach axniety, attraction, openers, questions to ask women, etc), and it gets a bit redundant answering the same question over and over. There's a reason you see links to articles, or links to threads that exist to new questions already, because the help you guys need already exists and after a little digging, you'll find your answers.

Chase, himself, isn't needed on the boards as extensively as you think. His knowledge and answers to questions are in his articles instead of one-to-one answer bases, while experienced guys (like myself, Franco, Dave, etc...) come on more frequently to answer those questions. The ranks exist on the board for a reason, because you need the experience to get there. Everything you're going through, or every question you have, is a question I've had when I was in the same position. I didn't join the site knowing everything I know now: I joined about as clueless as any, and stepped up to the learning curve quickly and made things fun. I walked the path that most newer members have walked already.

Anyway, all in all, as long as you've been on the boards, I've only seen you complain instead of take active steps to get better. Your memorable posts are the ones where you:
-Disbelieve what experience guys know
-Start drama with a penpal's dad.
-Argue or wallow in your progress

Lately, I've been shying away from the site a lot more because there seems to have come a new attitude (bad attitude) with newer members, and members have chosen to either not take experienced advice, or disagree entirely with advice given. There's been a shift in thinking and beliefs that seems to be inherent to newer members and us experienced members. I talk to Tool about it, and it's the same reason he's mostly absent from the site. Nobody wants to help people who are ungrateful, and nobody wants to deal with the drama that's been coming from the site lately.

To use Franco's metaphor: Suppose you were a homeless man. On a street of homeless people. You don't expect anyone to help you; you just got on with your life and hoped that continuous hard work will get you out of poverty.
But suddenly, here comes a millionaire. He considers himself a good man so he wishes to give part of his earnings to some of those less advantageous. So he gives a few hundred to the homeless. But only to a certain few. Only to the people he treats as a friend, or deems worthy enough to receive the gift. And so, from these continuous hand-outs, those homeless men gradually use it to buy houses, cars and investments. But of course, they stay there to receive the handouts as always.
All the while, you're left in the cold. It's not that he doesn't give you a hundred dollars a month. It's that he gives others so much, and he doesn't give you anything Not even a little change or some words of encouragement. You're just as involved in the homeless community as everyone else, and you do your bit to help others, with no heed to who they are, as much as anyone else. So you're stuck living in a cardboard box and working at KFC everyday while others around you are receiving their monthly windfalls and hailing him as their messiah. And when you question them, they say 'hey, he built this road for us so we have this wonderful community, be grateful'. That's not the point. The point is, is that he selectively offers his help repeatedly to those who are relatively richer anyway, while the more needy are rejected for months or forever, before they're considered worthy in his eyes to be given his 'gifts'. That's not truly caring about the community (which is what Franco first said, and I objected). That's being friends with the elite and pissing on everyone else.

To use this metaphor myself. Everyone, or most guys who join the site are homeless, and Chase is the millionaire who deposited his money into a bank where every homeless man gets to access it whenever they want. Then they can use that money as they see fit, whether it be to buy a house, or inject a drug. I have yet to see you ask a question that Chase hasn't already answered vicariously through an article or someone's older post.

To someone who's mad that Chase isn't giving him the personal in-depth advice you're asking for, shut up. Sniveling about the lack of his one-to-one advice is stupid, and is a tantrum whether you think it is or isn't. Do you think Chase held my hand every step of the way and was at my (or anyone's) every beck and call whenever we needed advice? No. Do you think I learned everything I know extensively through Chase? No. We all went out into the field, fucked up, and learned because of our mistakes. Other than that, we posted our questions and got advice from Franco, or Light, or Tool, or Ross, or Dave, or me, or any number of the equally capable responders.

While you're complaining that you're not getting help from Chase, be happy that you're getting advice from anyone at all. Some guys have had to learn all of this without anyone helping them at all, and yet, you sit here and complain about the woes of your PU life acting like you're entitled to every answer you seek. Where do you think you'd be with women if you hadn't found this site at all, or if you had found this site and not gotten any responses to anything you posted? Be grateful that people to respond and that people capable of answering your questions exist and are willing to help.

For us guys who are active on the boards, we enjoy helping other guys out, and we stay on the site for that exact reason. Most guys on the site will tell you about the help I offer, or the help Chase offers, or the help that Franco offers, or the help that everyone offers. We on the site are here to help guys with PUA problems, or life problems, we're not here to argue with people who don't get it, and we're not here to listen to pointless assumptions ignorant members throw out.

As someone who got to where I am with women strictly because of the GirlsChase articles and the generous board members, it's fucking infuriating to see an inexperienced member like you throw out blatantly uneducated and ignorant accusations.

You really are too inexperienced to throw out assumptions about this entire site, or Chase, or myself or whoever. Until you get your facts straight and actually understand the mechanics behind individuals, their lives, and their experiences, I'd encourage you to be quiet and just listen and absorb as much information as you can. You won't get any better with women by acting the way you are in this thread, or your recent threads.

Even while writing this (angrily), and feeling a little hostility about things you've said and wrote on the site, I'd still prefer to see you and any guys like you make progress instead of excuses. The site is geared towards helping people make progress. It's not always Chase who's giving you the advice, but it's always a capable and experienced member who is.

-Richard

 

[Big Daddy]

I hope you experienced guys still hang out frequently with us even after all of this. I mean, you're all upset, but please, don't be. I bet that the majority of us beginners find the experience that this board provides not less than life-changing, and while our "dude, really, thanks" to your responses doesn't go as noticed as the ones on this thread, it really means everything for us.

Your simple response to a post might be, for you, just a bunch of pixels in form of letters that makes a understandable sentence, but for many of us it's really, really awesome to see your replies. Had I the writing skills of an 1900s novelist, I'd sure make a point to thank you more properly than the typical "thanks" that you are used to read, and which value had probably lessened before your eyes after reading it for the 859th time.

I'm certain that the guys that value the experience this forum provides aren't mad at you for any reason. If you are busy and doesn't reply to XYZ thread. Or if you answered it already a thousand times before. Or even if you really don't want to ever answer that thread. Nor we demand any kind of special treatment just because we post here, nor we care about ranks more than we care about bettering our lives and the lives of those around us (which include this forum). It's cool with us. I'd go one gentle step further and remember of what you recommend us to do with woman: reward good behavior and ignore bad one. Because there are a bunch of guys here that like to see you guys hanging around, and it would be very, very sad if this forum ever ceased to exist because of the attitudes of some members in threads like this one.



BD

 

[trashKENNUT]

Not speaking for everyone,

but Girlschase has always been the culture where you can speak what you like. I found great links like suits someone posted sometime ago, and that i posted video links, and Franco posted video links and share laughters.

IT's about progressing, too. I certainly wouldn't want a forum where you can't speak certain things and share positive opinions and constructive criticisms. That's like running a government!

Anyway, i am sure the guys here will certainly continue to help. this is what i believe.

Zac

 

[Pato]

Gentlemen,

I didn't want to get mixed up in this earlier, but I'd really like to take the time to thank Chase, Franco, Richard, and everyone else on here for changing my life. Even if my questions were not answered by someone on the boards (which they always are in some way or another), just looking at other (and older) forum posts and reading the articles on the main site would be more than enough for me, as well as anyone else. It is a privilege to have a place like this to learn and improve, and nobody is obligated to do anything for anyone else on here, everything is voluntary. So complaining about a lack of help is pointless.

The advice given and lessons taught here has not only made me better with women, but has made me become a better man and person. It has turned my life upside down and changed me for the better. Chase, Franco, and everyone helping out on the boards, I really appreciate what you have done for not just me, but countless other men across the world as well. Without you guys, many of us would still be clueless with women, and even in life. Words cannot describe how thankful and grateful I truly am, and I hope that one day I will be able to return the tremendous favor in some way, as well as pay it forward and help other struggling men once I become more advanced.

Once again, thank you to everyone.

Cheers,
Pato

 

[Chase]

Thanks to everyone for the largely positive and thoughtful replies here. I realize the loud voices here are a distinct minority (and I apologize for letting things get to the point where these minority voices got as large as they did).

To anyone who's experiencing cognitive dissonance at what this place represents, I'd ask you to read the thread I've just posted on board etiquette:

STICKIED: Board Etiquette

... and then think long and hard about whether the boards here are really the right place for you.

Chase

 

[MisterX]

Chase, I just read STICKIED: Board Etiquette .

I'm glad to see my thread kinda fulfilled it's purpose of exposing some things that needed fixing, and that it lead to an improvement to the boards even if it's just by leading to the creation of board etiquette.


I see that all those 35 posts from you guys weren't useless.

 

[Whizzy]

I'm breaking a promise I made to myself in order to respond to this because it's interesting what's going on.

I'll address MisterX first because he originally started this thread, and I apologize if I reiterate anything that's already been said.

When I was writing for the site and in frequent contact with Chase, this is something he messaged me about my writing:

Note on demographics - you seem to be writing with the assumption that all of us are U.S.-based, but in fact half the readership is not from the States, and aside from you, me, and the other guys who've written for us from the boards (Ross, Eric), Colt's the only other American writer we've had on the site (Pete and Cody are Australian, Ricardus is German, and Alek is Norwegian). Fine to use U.S.-based statistics for stuff (the U.S. often has the most comprehensive data sets / most readily available studies), but also realize you're talking to the whole world, too! (top 10 countries making up the readership are U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, India, Singapore, Philippines, Germany, Malaysia, and the Netherlands)

GirlsChase is already a multicultural business, and when you look at the comments on articles, you'll notice that people verbally explain that they are from other countries.

For guys who want the average cut of the mill woman instead of sleeping with hoards of women, this site allows you to do that. Do you think I joined the site to fuck everything I want? No. I joined the site to find a great girlfriend myself, and have found 2 since joining GC (current GF is amazing!). This site isn't geared towards getting guys to sleep with multiple women, nor is it geared towards getting you to believe things you don't want to.

The site is a database, covering things from: Getting a relationship to attracting women to sleeping with multiple women. There are resources and articles on all of your woman needs, and they are yours to do with as you please.

I've met and developed pretty fucking spectacular relations with guys from the site (experienced guys) and they don't endorse changing who you are to seduce women. If you don't want to sleep with multiple women, then don't. Guys I know all prefer to sleep with a few women while looking for a GF, or steady partner (as I was doing).

Also, the site doesn't say anywhere that you have to change your standards, nor does it say you have to go after the 10/10 women. Most guys prefer women to meet women like that, and for those who naturally don't, it's usually out of personal perception. However, once guys learn that it is possible to sleep with 10/10 girls, they want to (and it's certainly possible, I joined the site having only dated one girl).

Anyway, all in all, as long as you've been on the boards, I've only seen you complain instead of take active steps to get better. Your memorable posts are the ones where you:
-Disbelieve what experience guys know
-Start drama with a penpal's dad.
-Argue or wallow in your progress

Lately, I've been shying away from the site a lot more because there seems to have come a new attitude (bad attitude) with newer members, and members have chosen to either not take experienced advice, or disagree entirely with advice given. There's been a shift in thinking and beliefs that seems to be inherent to newer members and us experienced members. I talk to Tool about it, and it's the same reason he's mostly absent from the site. Nobody wants to help people who are ungrateful, and nobody wants to deal with the drama that's been coming from the site lately.


While you're complaining that you're not getting help from Chase, be happy that you're getting advice from anyone at all. Some guys have had to learn all of this without anyone helping them at all, and yet, you sit here and complain about the woes of your PU life acting like you're entitled to every answer you seek. Where do you think you'd be with women if you hadn't found this site at all, or if you had found this site and not gotten any responses to anything you posted? Be grateful that people to respond and that people capable of answering your questions exist and are willing to help.

For us guys who are active on the boards, we enjoy helping other guys out, and we stay on the site for that exact reason. Most guys on the site will tell you about the help I offer, or the help Chase offers, or the help that Franco offers, or the help that everyone offers. We on the site are here to help guys with PUA problems, or life problems, we're not here to argue with people who don't get it, and we're not here to listen to pointless assumptions ignorant members throw out.

As someone who got to where I am with women strictly because of the GirlsChase articles and the generous board members, it's fucking infuriating to see an inexperienced member like you throw out blatantly uneducated and ignorant accusations.

You really are too inexperienced to throw out assumptions about this entire site, or Chase, or myself or whoever. Until you get your facts straight and actually understand the mechanics behind individuals, their lives, and their experiences, I'd encourage you to be quiet and just listen and absorb as much information as you can. You won't get any better with women by acting the way you are in this thread, or your recent threads.

Even while writing this (angrily), and feeling a little hostility about things you've said and wrote on the site, I'd still prefer to see you and any guys like you make progress instead of excuses. The site is geared towards helping people make progress. It's not always Chase who's giving you the advice, but it's always a capable and experienced member who is.

-Richard

^^^^ This just about sums up my feelings as well. Chase doesn't say you have to be a certain way, he gives you the tools to become the man that you want to be. Since using this site my success with women has sky rocketed and I contribute it to his amazing persistence with the site. I normally go on the forums to give advice or encouragement when I can, but recently I've realized many of the same issues Richard mentioned above. On the other hand, looking back some of the older (2009 time frame) articles are significantly shorter but the average article now is extremely lengthy and detailed. To me this shows how much the site has grown over the years and for good reason.

 

[TheWiseFool]

So, after reading this thread, I realize that the forums have become rather volatile. Hasn't anyone read the General Board Rules Post? It's stickied on every board! I had to read it again cos it's been a while (I broke rule number 5...) but rule number 4 literally combats against negativity and poking at people or trying to break them down. Chase says he wants a positive community here that focuses on building people up and is respectful if there is a lack of sync in mindsets/beliefs. How many places do you find where there aren't immature people commenting or not taking someone seriously? If you don't understand something ask, BUT ASK/REPLY RESPECTFULLY! Don't go off making assumptions about people you don't even know personally. Most of all practice understanding people's perspectives and backgrounds.

 

[fsc_old]

Most of what I felt like saying have been covered already, but there are still a few things I'd like to add.

There is no ONE. There are good ONES, and there are bad ONES. They come and go--both of them. The trick is not "find the one and keep her around forever," it's "keep the good ones around as long they wish to be part of your life, then let them go and find more good ones when they choose to leave."

This is GOLDEN. GOLDEN!!!



Ryan,

I just wanted a little encouragement from the main man

Bro, this is a depressing truth, and I hate to be the one telling you this, but it's one that you were going to learn sooner or later anyway: you're not special. You're not any more deserving of an encouragement or a pat on the back than anyone else on the boards. It doesn't matter how many girls you've failed on or how many models you've bedded. No one in the world is obligated to acknowledge your needs or your accomplishments.

Don't be that homeless guy who sits around waiting for a savior to come by and drop you a dollar. You will starve to death. Good things don't come to those who wait; they go to those who take. Pick yourself up and go earn that dollar.

Why aren't I level 2? Metomeya and I began at the same time, we're about the same ability (same amount of approaches, he's got 1 number and a date, i've got 2 numbers).

Don't try so hard to become the "chosen few" or the "usual suspects". Don't get so caught up with these rankings and stats. Instead, focus your time and energy on improving yourself first as a man, then as a seducer. If leveling up and joining the elite ranks is super important to you, then master your seduction skills and help out your fellow seducers-in-training. Hopefully along the way you'll learn that seeking validation, or any type of reward or credit, shouldn't be your primary motive behind the actions you take. Hopefully you'll learn to help others because you genuinely enjoy helping others without expecting anything in return.

Please, shed yourself of all this bitterness, doubt, and any form of negativity. We would all love to have you back and start fresh once again. Let's be positive, open, and help each other become THE Ryan and THE fsc and THE whoever else that we all dream of becoming one day...the super amazing and positive and happy lvl9000 pussy slayer gods of seduction that even Jame Bond would worship.

 

[Whizzy]

^^^^ Golden encouragement and truth right there