the HUGE problem with GirlsChase!

[P.a.p]

Okay, bridges have been built. Good to see. Chase is a master at that. Something I still need to learn. I like fighting. Need to read some more Sun Tzu.

@ hector if the girl is not remotely showing interest in you and is comfortable, don't touch the girl. her thoughts go like this "who is this guy and why is he touching me?". you saying that its context related based on how she reacts is incorrect. the general rule of thumb is directly in sentence one. So creepiness is not fully in the eye of the beholder. point 2, outward sexual comments often women find to be uncomfortable. better to go indirect sexually to pump her arousal levels.its perfectly fine to make comments once your about to get with the girl like "I'm gonna fuck you so hard it hurts" on the basis you've gotten her clothes off.

Are you still referring to the "walk up onto a girl and grind onto her" comment? If so, I laid out clearly in that video that it's not really a thing I see anymore, because of cultural shifts (#metoo, FRA's, etc), but used to do it/have seen it done and it's a high-risk/high-reward kind of move.

Or were you referring to something else?

I don't know where I said to simply walk up to girls and start touching them. Can you specifically point to where I said this?

you saying that its context related based on how she reacts is incorrect

Although I will disagree with this. I've done some pretty risky shit and it works out. Like Chase said, I wouldn't recommend it to most guys and I hold off teaching that to anyone who isn't socially calibrated enough to pull it off, but to be clear, I'm not going around touching random girls. The extent of initial "don't know how she will respond" touching is when I open a girl by touching her on the elbow, or I'll touch the side of her waist in a club and lean in and whisper into her ear.

To my memory, I've had 0 bad reaction to this, other than some initial surprise of "woah, oh hey!" but then they turn to see me and realize I'm not a weirdo and we talk. I use high-risk stuff but also know how to defuse it.

Creepiness is not an objective thing. My girlfriend example was prime. If you walk up to your girlfriend on the street randomly, or a girl you're sleeping with, and you pinch her butt - she's going to turn around like "WOAH" and then smile when she sees it's YOU. Like I pointed out in the video many times, it's WHO is doing it and HOW they do it. If you're out with your girlfriend, go to the bathroom, then come back to her and grab her, she's going to turn and be happy to see you.

However, if a girl is not showing any interest *once we're already talking," then I probably won't touch her no. However, if thing are ambiguous, well I'm going to tap her elbow while I'm talking to her or something small to see how she reacts. If she reacts badly, then she would have never been into me, most likely. I screen hard.

outward sexual comments often women find to be uncomfortable

I'm not surprised you hold this view. Almost every high-lay-count natural I know is blown away by how direct I am, and then they see it work and are like "Oh...shit, that's different." If you want to hang around this forum and exchange ideas, and it will take time for you to build up your credibility, you're going to need to see that everyone has different styles and that you're not a mega-guru. You could have 500 lays and it wouldn't matter. Ran into a few naturals with 500+ lay counts and my skill/consistency is higher, because of a variety of factors. I know of only a handful of guys I'd say without a doubt are my superiors in skill, but that doesn't mean I won't try to understand your viewpoint, but the same must be given on your end - my style is not normal, I've heard through the grapevine of maybe 1 or 2 guys with similar styles. But it works. Chase has seen me pull in-field (I went ultra-direct). Franco has seen me pull in-field in San Diego (and I went ULTRA direct with her, asking her if she's ever had sex in a bathroom, she asked if i had a condom, etc). Alek/Pablo, other writers, have seen my in-field, and ask anyone from my college - I was the most prolific guy in my college.

Your reality is not the only reality. But Chase is a master at bridge-building so glad to see that realities are being transferred (I lack that patience..perhaps a symptom of my age - 26 - but it's more temperament. I'm a hot-blooded guy. Good for seduction, tricky for relationships/friendships).

better to go indirect sexually to pump her arousal levels.its perfectly fine to make comments once your about to get with the girl like "I'm gonna fuck you so hard it hurts" on the basis you've gotten her clothes off.

Ah, I see. I'm very touchy and talk about sex in general very often before going "I'm going to fuck your mouth." Perhaps you thought I'm walking up to girls and the first thing out of my mouth is "I'm gonna rip up your pussy."

I think we agree more than you think, but for some reason, you were looking for blood. Your response will tell me where you're at now. A quick note - I like to fight and don't take it too personally, so if you're cool to reconcile this beef, I am, too.

Hector

honestly I don’t dislike you, nor am I claiming that one one way is superior to another. Don’t take this wrong, but I’m not the type to worry much what others think about me, to me life is is live and let live. I go direct by showing interest and allow women to see that I’m interested then I build attraction using humor I.e. I’m good at banter, redicule and teasing women with it then using my wit to entertain them, even my sexual escalation is humor based somewhat. Not every person is funny, thus what I do won’t work for everybody. I was actually writing a lay report detailing what I did and some portions are funny, you’re welcome to read it if you like. Doing one on a waitress from a Mexican restaurant and hooters girl where I use a funny trolling story to check her if I could put in her ass. I’m just saying I’ve done well with women a majority of my life and my approach is slightly different than most pickup people, I originally started reading this stuff to understand why I was affective and guys that I knew were having issues getting results. I tend to focus more on hired guns now a days because girls in nightclubs I find to be extremely boring people to talk to, plus you’re not guaranteed attractive women If you go to bars so it’s a major reason I don’t waste my time with those girls anymore. I actually have a great lay report on this hot stripper. It’s hillarious what I did to her when I approached the stage. Have you ever read I hope they serve beer in hell by tucker max? His game is actually comparable to mine because were both funny dicks. I know a male hairstylist and male artist who are at mid 300s and are naturals like me. Those are generally the only guys I communicate with now a days in regards to game, as they are equally skilled as they are valued. Picks aloud to be posted? Also big amounts don’t impress me, I’ve seen both the guys I’ve mentioned with anywhere from 6.5 to 9s on a scale of 1 to 10. The problem is that girls in the 8 plus range are not that common, yet again my type is fat ass big boobs so that build isn’t widely found in places unless strip clubs or breasturant girls, hence why I don’t mess with clubs much now a days, as I find them to be let downs in regards to quality. Two girls I banged in high school later ended working at hooters. I’m 28, so that’s a while ago lol.considering writing a post on why it’s beneficial to AMOG/Troll girls who become non responsive and it actually raises perceived value and allows you to bang the hotter friend.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

I think we have more in common than you think. I've written about Tucker Max a lot in my reports/book. He was my main inspiration as a natural, although I've lost his ultra-offensive style and since adopted a more romantic-sexual approach a few years ago. It works better with non-club girls (businesswomen, law students, etc). Like Chase said, I didn't start as a pickup guy and myself find a lot in the community questionable (I've met quite a few of them. Zan Perrion and Chase are my favorite and I'm friends with both. Zan lives in the same city as me). I'm a natural who learned the terminology later and then rebuilt my game for more efficiency.

I'm not a big club guy anymore. Shit bores me. Lots of sitting around. I hate talking to other guys, since most are losers or users. And too many wildcards. I'd rather play video games or work on articles/videos. Plus, I have a GF now. Less incentive to go out.

Day game is more efficient.

Sounds like you've got a lot to share. Post some LR's on the forum, help guys on the forum, and then once you've built up some credibility, talk to Chase about writing articles. Could help bring a fresh perspective.

Hector

 

[Richard]

P.A.P.,

Generally, most guys who come onto the Forums and say "This is my lay count and, trust me, I know how to game women" without first establishing credibility generally get booted or weeded out pretty quick. Nice to see that Chase (and Hector, vicariously) managed to build a bridge and get you to showcase some knowledge =)

I always appreciate seeing new guys with game find the Boards and throw ideas around. Just keep in mind that GirlsChase has sort of a "culture" to it and a lot of guys stick around because the material helps people to see results and damn near every idea or tactic has been thrown around at some point and we've all debated the pros and cons of a plethora of different viewpoints. Myself, I advocate strongly for direct day-game and cold approaching AND while it's effective it doesn't suit everyone (as you pointed out with your style). So, if you can keep in mind that GirlsChase covers a variety of approaches and concepts and stay open-minded then you should be a great fit for the Boards!

Welcome, sir. =)

-Richard

 

[P.a.p]

P.A.P.,

Generally, most guys who come onto the Forums and say "This is my lay count and, trust me, I know how to game women" without first establishing credibility generally get booted or weeded out pretty quick. Nice to see that Chase (and Hector, vicariously) managed to build a bridge and get you to showcase some knowledge =)

I always appreciate seeing new guys with game find the Boards and throw ideas around. Just keep in mind that GirlsChase has sort of a "culture" to it and a lot of guys stick around because the material helps people to see results and damn near every idea or tactic has been thrown around at some point and we've all debated the pros and cons of a plethora of different viewpoints. Myself, I advocate strongly for direct day-game and cold approaching AND while it's effective it doesn't suit everyone (as you pointed out with your style). So, if you can keep in mind that GirlsChase covers a variety of approaches and concepts and stay open-minded then you should be a great fit for the Boards!

Welcome, sir. =)

-Richard

as soon as I have some spare time ill write up a post on sexual escalation and priming(what I call sexual screening) and how to do it without creeping the girl out on the blog im createing.

 

[P.a.p]

I think we have more in common than you think. I've written about Tucker Max a lot in my reports/book. He was my main inspiration as a natural, although I've lost his ultra-offensive style and since adopted a more romantic-sexual approach a few years ago. It works better with non-club girls (businesswomen, law students, etc). Like Chase said, I didn't start as a pickup guy and myself find a lot in the community questionable (I've met quite a few of them. Zan Perrion and Chase are my favorite and I'm friends with both. Zan lives in the same city as me). I'm a natural who learned the terminology later and then rebuilt my game for more efficiency.

I'm not a big club guy anymore. Shit bores me. Lots of sitting around. I hate talking to other guys, since most are losers or users. And too many wildcards. I'd rather play video games or work on articles/videos. Plus, I have a GF now. Less incentive to go out.

Day game is more efficient.

Sounds like you've got a lot to share. Post some LR's on the forum, help guys on the forum, and then once you've built up some credibility, talk to Chase about writing articles. Could help bring a fresh perspective.

Hector

tried to write a lay report, but it was deleted and didn't type it in word so it would be a long rewrite.