The Learn Journ

[Mr.Rob]

I'm starting a journal. For me. To learn from and find patterns in my interactions to hopefully pinpoint some basic stuff I'm certain I'm overlooking.

It's not going to be anything special, I'm simply creating it to try and find patterns in my interactions and jot down some things that went good or bad with every interaction I have when I go out. One of Ricardus's old posts inspired me to do so reading that he kept a journal even when he was a pro seducer. I'm in no way better than he is so I figure since it's good enough for the pro's, I'm positive it's something I need to keep updated to reflect back on.

This is probably going to be excruciatingly boring to read so unless you just get hard on's from reading my stuff I highly doubt you're going to want to stick around long. And if you do well I'm flattered but your probably not going to learn much other than how much I get rejected on a regular basis. But it's all good rejection is the shit! I love getting my ego pummeled because then I get to put all the pieces back together with super glue and it's somehow always stronger afterwards.

-------------------------------- Key: *Things to improve on | !Things I did good
Jan. 13: Key West Florida afternoon street game.

1. Shanghai girl in FR no need to rewrite

2. Sort of getting warmed up on this one but an attractive 30 something women caught my glimpse. Scared her on the opening but she was down for a little chat after I persisted for a second. Said she had boyfriend and bid me farewell.
*Bad voice and speaking fundamentals

3. A girl from Spain with mom. We had a fun banter sesh with her and the mom but she informed me that she was getting married soon and didn't have time for debauchery and romping around.
*Immediately apologized on the opener
*Nervous laughing
*Not a complete assuredness in myself (voice tonality)... I sound quite childish and not very masculine... definitely need to change this
!Positive vibe and banter

4. Girl from Russia with nice legs. We had a good vibe and eye contact together creating decent tension between us. She ended up declining my offer to get a drink and instead went home to her angry, big, strong, Russian boyfriend.
!Opened really well. Masculine, grounded, and not in a hurry like.
!Got her to hook
!Decent voice on opener along with no stuttering and very poised in speech
*Probably shouldn't have asked about boyfriend before her
*Bad banter when she said I look like I play soccer for a living. I totally bashed down her presumable compliment "No I hate soccer".
*Voice got shitty towards the end

5. Opened girl walking with her boyfriend, though I couldn't tell at the time, and he asked "Hi can I help you" and so I asked if they were together he said yes. I gave him a compliment on his hot girlfriend, shook hands semi-awkwardly, and bidded them farewell.

6. Opened girl with mom and mom's friend. I got her to hook she was asking me a couple questions and we had a inside banter going on with the group. When it got towards the transition point/ escalation window to isolate her from her mom/friend I spoke quite hesitant/tentatively with a nervous voice and it didn't go over well as a result.
!Got her to hook and good banter
*Bad handling of escalation window
*Shitty/pussy voice fundamentals

7. Met German girl and opened with decent voice fundamentals. Turns out she had a boyfriend and was in love. I made her day though! Didn't have bouncy/nervous/tentative opening voice fundamentals so good there.

8. Met older woman walking by herself. Asked if she was single in a very non authoritative way but followed up with decent voice fundamentals. We chat and when the age things is brought up she gets a little unruly and ejects. I need to handle this like Chase outlines in the younger men older women article.

9. This girl I had decent voice fundamentals on the opening. Idk why but she thought I was drunk and when I went to explain myself I tripped a little and fucked up my speech so it sounded slurred. She wrote me off as being drunk and listening back to the recording it was pretty damn hilarious.

Overall I need to target my voice but particularly my voice fundamentals: Slow masculine speech that's consistent, Projecting my voice, being non hesitant in my voice, gaining an overall more confident speech.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Jan. 26: Ft. Walton Mall/shops

There were no women out at all today. My ego was telling me that I wasn't in a good enough state but I persisted and actually opened every single set I got the chance to open.

Also did a social freedom challenge of going up to the window of the shop, putting my face up to the glass to look in and looking the shopkeeper dead in the eye with a blank retarded facial expression. What I noticed was that even though I didn't break the face, it was really hard to stare them down without breaking eye contact. I enjoyed watching them squirm under the social pressure though. Hehe.

3 meager sets today lets see how I did. Oh I only recorded 2.

1. Girl in mall with kids and sisters. I didn't know who's kids they were and the girl I liked was pretty hot. I opened her and she gave me this face that said "go eat shit and die". I called her out on it in a charming way and she laughed and put a smile on her face. Turned out the kids were hers and she has a baby daddy/BF.
!Good job handling the initial horrible reaction from her and not letting her reaction dictate my reaction.

2. Woman in target that was middle aged but probably over 40. She had nice ass I'm telling you. Deliberated for about 2 minutes on this one ugh. Opening was satisfactory and needed more projection, dominance, and bass. My voice sounded as if I wasn't trying to inconvenience her which translates into "I think I'm inconveniencing you so I'm going to try and sound like I'm not".
!Good job utilizing social pressure on the opening. I drew everything out to where she had no idea what I was about to tell her got all the way to
I just wanted to tell you. . . (social pressure was high here) your incredibly adorable.
!Had better slowed down and projecting voice fundamentals but needs improvement nonetheless
*Still saying "uhm" too much

Keep up deliberate practice on voice fundamentals.

 

[Mr. Wes]

* puts away my hard-on* LOL nice idea you got going on here Rob, good luck to you. May you find all the answers you're searching for.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Feb. 4: Ptown Books a Million

So I at way to big of a lunch yesterday which made me too lazy to go chat up some girls at the mall. I suck at everything except sleeping after a big meal, in which I should know better not to do so.

An hour or two goes by and I find myself in Books a Million sipping a tea and going through the self improvement section. At the Book a Million where I live they have the nice comfy chairs for you to sit and chill in and it just so happens there is a cute Korean girl plopped in the chair at the end of the aisle. I went to the adjacent bookshelf to double check from my peripherals to be sure she was cute and then... A.D. hit me (approach deliberation). Fuck. Marty or G_P if you're reading this I owe you each a 5 dollars or you need to film me for youtube licking dogshit or something... still figuring out a punishment :/.

Anyway funny thing is I pick up a random book and flip to a random page and the chapter is on procrastination and it got to talking about how most of the time when you procrastinate you end up expending more energy coming up with excuses/avoiding the task than it would even take to do the task in the first place. BAM it hit me like a sack of weight! I put the book down and approached with what I think was a very grounded, chill, masculine approach.
Me: Hi there...
Her: Hello *Somewhat skeptical face
Me: I was drawn over by your quite alluring features.. your very cute
Her: Oh well thank you!
Me: My name's Robert. Whats yours?
Her: Hana!
Me: Hi Hana. You don't sound like your from here. Where are you from?
Her: Korea *keeps talking.

I pretty much keep it pretty simple and my gosh does it feel good to do so! Like so simple that I'm just operating off vibe alone and I don't even have to think super hard about what comes out of my mouth next.

I did however almost fall flat on my face when she asked me what I do with myself. I knew not to answer in such a boring ambivalent way but I wasn't fast enough to the gun and didn't want to tell what boring work/school stuff I do for a living. I hesitated for a split second and almost went with say I usually do blondes but am thinking about making an exception, which didn't really go with the vibe at the time (possibly need to up the sexual energy but it would have been a lot funnier looking back!

I spat out how I want to be a world traveler and was really vague on exactly what it is I do. I said a little too "qualifyee" and quickly thought about what I was doing and switched the thread back on her. We bantered a bit on some stuff and I find out she's a nurse that is aiming to get her masters degree and has only lived in America for 5 years and seems to be pretty pleased with the place.

I told her on a highpoint (maybe not high but definitely not a low point) I had to get going but proposed we grab a cup of Joe sometime soon. She obliged and we traded numbers.

I sent her a icebreaker and she replied back which is good news. I also just sent her a text reminding her about the cup of Joe we planned on and asked when she's free. No response yet but feels good to actually get a good number close in. Will update if date happens.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Feb. 8: Fr. Walton Shops afternoon - midafternoon-
Very small handful of women out and about today. My two best approaches were middle aged women that I think just liked me because I was looking good. Worst approaches were half-assed weenie approaches that no girl would have really appreciated.

1. Approached a two set leaving the mall and asked the hotter one if she was single. I didn't get her to stop immediately so she obviously wasn't totally interested with my meek approach. I asked her if she was single in a very unauthoritative way, almost in a needy way like her answer dictated something. Though this wasn't my thought process I came off this way since the approach was tentative.
*Horrible voice fundamentals- Rushing through words, somewhat timid voice, use of the word "uh"
!-Almost talked myself out of approaching and went around and approached anyway

2. Older woman walking in the mall eating a giant pretzel. I stop her and engage her, trade small talk and we trade names. We have decent eye contact and I think she'd honestly be into me. My voice fundamentals are overall lacking along with my overall dominance/authority. Towards the end when she asks my age she cusps and grabs my elbow and looks at me but the connection was rather lacking and she was in a hurry.
*Lesson learned better fundamentals (especially in voice fundamentals) would probably have meant great success

3. Hot middle twenties blonde walking into TJ Max I literally stopped her in the doorway, very awkward, delivered my compliment and said hi. She smiled and continued walking inside. I decided not to follow.
*Don't stop in the doorway- stop outside
*Persist and go run back after her, don't just give up
*Give compliance command "Hey come here for two seconds before you go in you seem like you a really fun person, just for a second."
*Literally started my opener saying "Uhhh" *Facepalm*
!-No sting in rejection... Social freedom baby!

4. Hot middle aged woman with a stunning jaw dropping ass. My gosh it was quite a sight especially in her yoga pants "AHHH". I stopped her in sexy-smooth mode putting in very little effort and told her she was quite beautiful in which she thought I was bullshitting her. I told her again I was serious and we got into a little conversation and shared pleasantries. Turns out she's in a hurry and tells me to take her number. I gladly let her punch it in and we banter a little bit. I find out she owns like 4 houses and I change from smooth- to jester and try and be funny by taking her arm and saying we have to hook up so she can be my sugar momma. This freaked her out and immediately questioned my age. I told her 25 (I knew if I told her 20 she leave me in the dust) and she literally took two steps back and said yeah we can be friends and left.
*If I would have stayed cool I think this would have been in the bag
*Don't transition from smooth to retard
*Don't make her success a big deal if she's older since according to chase I need to show my maturity when dealing with women much older than me.

5. Girl in target that was very adorable. I completely tripped up on my words when opening and it turned out she was married anyway so not biggie here.
*Need focus on grounded smooth voice fundamentals.

6. Girl walking into Walmart I stopped as we were passing which set a bad precedent as opposed to stopping and opening straight on. She literally cut me off after I tried to initiate banter and walked inside.
*Lacking dominance from beginning
*Lacking dominance in the initial approach

I'm realizing that the reason for my lack of success is probably all in my fundamentals. Literally. My voice and posture (comfortable posture) need to be tweaked. Voice sounds much to on the tentative side and non authoritative.

If I can get voice worked out to the T I think I would see a massive upgrade and level up.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Feb. 11: Pcola mall/shops-
A dreary day today and there were not too many women out and about. Only 3 approaches. My focus was putting more effort and really trying in every approach along with anunciating and slowing down my voice fundamentals.

1. In walmart a cute girl with a sexual arua to her was pushing a buggy around and I waited for a good moment to talk to her. This was somewhat do to deliberation but it was also due to not being in a hurry since she wasn't going anywhere anytime soon. Opening was alright I ran my words together and wasn't particularly dominant. She was laughing after a lot of what I said but I can't really say she completely hooked. I did laugh a bit too in between but nothing major. I got her number but she didn't respond to my icebreaker.
*Need better anunciation
*Possibly connect more via deep dive
!-Non rushed pace of speech

2. Girl in Mall that I saw from afar and literally chased from one end of the mall to the other before I could catch up with her. She went into a big department store and I followed. We passed one another in the store and smiled as we passed one another. I of course went caught back up with her and opened her. I had a good speech slow and pretty calming I would say but still need better anunciation.
Turned out she had a boyfriend (who called half way through the conversation) so no dice here.

3. Girl in Mall with kind of cool style that I stopped to chat up in the middle of the walkway area. Upon opening her she was beaming and apparently very warm. Opened could've had better anunciation but she immediately kept the conversation going and asking me small talk questions. I've found out I have a slightly awkward way of transitioning from one word to another and that was very apparent in this convo. We chatted for about 8 minutes and I left with her number. She didn't reply to my icebreaker but I believe if I would have kept better fundamentals and connected a bit better it would've been good to go. She wasn't my dream girl by any means so I'm not to distraught here.

Overall I need to keep practicing my voice fundamentals- Get better at anunciating and putting a little more life and interest into my voice.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Feb. 13: Pcola mall/shops-
Fucking phenomenal weather today but not too many women to speak of at the mall. None to many at all.
Went to 4 venues each had 1-2 girls to approach. I approached 1 in each venue except for the last one in which I made excuses... VAGINA!

My focus of the day was on my voice fundamentals. I did not set any goals for the day and probably could have used some... definitely could have used some!

Going to go in backwards order today since my best approach was my last approach.

1. Can't remember if voice fundamentals were good here since I didn't record. I remember planning the approach perfectly so I could open the door for a cute middle 20's girl leaving the shop. I did not however open her when she said "thank you" for holding the door open for her, I waited until she was ahead of me then caught back up to her and it was more awkward/less smooth. Got rejected when I made the assumption that her and her boyfriend probably have an awesome sex life since he's into super heroes! =) Pretty funny actually.
-Take away here- I had a bad reaction to her reaction from my initial action. I needed a warm smile and set a warm precedent of how she should respond.

2. Blonde dressed sexily with a sexy walk sauntering through the mall. I stopped to open her and she wasn't very warm, based from the recording I think that was my fault. I gave her a compliment and she walked away in which I told her to hold on and proceeded to ask her in somewhat needy tone (wasn't intending to) if she was single or not and then told her in a bitchy way that she broke my heart and to have a good day (meant to be funny and charming here).
*Was a bitch on this one fundamentally. And I always sound needy when I ask women if they are single. I need to work on say it different, maybe inquisitive/authoritative.
-Voice fundamentals not good but could definitely tell I was actively trying WOOT!

3. In Walmart and I see a cute brunette with leggings and boots approaching and I fixate my gaze on her as we get closer. I can tell she's by no means my dream girl in the looks department (no titties and not a humongo ass) but I smile anyway and she smiles big and actually says "Hey!". This is cool and pumps my ego up a bit. I let it go for a second and get my items and almost talk myself out of going to approach her but I my social freedom voice kicks in and tells me to get my ass into gear. I go approach her in the middle of an isle and
Me: Hi there.
Her: Hi!
Me: You had such uh (*pronounced uh instead of A) nice pleasant smile whenever I passed a second ago I just uh couldn't really resist I just had to come say hi
Her: (Half way through me opening her she's says "Oh my Gosh".. good first impression at least ) Hi I'm Hope nice to meet you *(extends hand)
Me: Hope? I'm Robert..
Her: Nice to meet you Robert
Me: It's a pleasure, It's kind of a random place I guess (Rambling for second before catching myself, I think it would be better to just own the approach more with a mindset of nowhere is a random place to meet a woman!), But I'm curious as to why you're so happy.
Her: Idk I just am, I just feel like it makes other people happy if you smile at them and why be sad?

Then I go into some stupid attempt at banter...:
Me: Well who started first I was hoping I was happy too... (Catch myself being stupid) It must've been mutual.
Her: It's mutual, there you go it's mutual (Think I about dropped the ball here a bit luckily she came to the rescue).. I'm shopping for my mixer that I'm throwing, so..
Me: *(Said in a almost dumbfounded tone) You're having a party?
Her: Yeah! It's like a mixer thing for my college so yeah.
Me: UWF? *(she nods head) You're my rival!
Her: Really what school do you go to?
Me: *(Said in a really boring monotone stoner voice ugh...!) Uh, Pensacola State.. Idk if we're actually rivals or not but it sounds good (Still sound like a fuggin stoner)
Her: Yeah I'm sure we're not rivals (her trying to put us together on a team.. looking back she was really investing hard into this considering this interaction had a bunch of mistakes in it though subtle on my part)

I get to know a little about where she's from and how apparently it's colder here than where she's from. She keeps volunteering investment without me asking and screens and qualify's herself as being in theatre major, telecommunications, and writes music. She wants to act more than anything and seems passionate about it. The reason she's throwing the mixer party is because she is the director of social enrichment at her college. She also likes Antique shopping. She works at a restaurant as a waitress and claims that customer service is her niche.

We got bantering about how we both want to get out of here and go somewhere with more ambition. I told her we should leave now together and partake in a whirlwind romance. She laughed and I told her I will need her number if were going to actually do this. Good job transitioning for an easy number swap on a high point. She tried getting me to comply to her by saying we should walk and talk while she shops. Boom I'm not shopping guy baby. I declined and told her I had to get going in which she replied "you're leaving without me?". Good investment here.

We agree to a coffee date downtown and she put my number in my phone.

+'s I did a good job of speaking slowly and fluently and had good pregnant pauses going on.
-'s I sound like a stoner when I talk and still have a very monotone boring voice. Need some life!
-'s I made a lot of subtle mistakes conversationally that would've gone down hill fast if she didn't hook so fast

Summary notes:
Overall I need to keep working on my voice- put life into my speech, get rid of the monotone stoner tone, and annunciate my words clearly and properly.

I need to work on having good initial banter and conversation without steering it into potential deal breakers... Threads and word structure is subtle but powerful- Something I never really truly grasped when I was younger "Well I know what I was meaning why doesn't everyone else get it?". Bad mindset

 

[Mr.Rob]

Texting update from the girl from Walmart that hook instantly.

Me: Hey Hope! Fun meeting you- Robert
Her: fun meeting you too
Her: Now that I can finally reply after my crazy day haha. the mixer turned out well!
Me: I'm sure everyone was enamored in your felicity. I just got my schedule for the weekend when did you say you were free again?
Her: What can I say... I love throwing a good time I believe I'm free Sat and Sun one of those days blah blah blah
Me: I'm off tomorrow... what do you think tomorrow evening, 5 oclock the leisure club?
Her: I have work at 6 and that wouldn't be enough time to have any sort of quality conversation. Hmmm..
Me: I prefer a dusk-evening setting for getting to know women.. Possible mon-fri this coming week or no? (in retrospect probably bad wording here since I made myself to available :/ hopefully she didn't notice to much)
Her: Sure, I should know my schedule by tomorrow night
Me: Cool keep me updated
Her: will do (;

This is cool she is obviously still into me and if I can get her out on a date it will be the first girl that I've ever cold approached and got out on a date prior to getting a phone number after over a year of approaching. Lol I also have figured out why this is!

My big big big big sticking point is reaching the hook point and I can totally tell that it's because my fundamentals are not as tight as they need to be in multiple areas. My voice is HUGE right now in the point covered in the last report. My posture and eye contact could be more tight. My conversation and ability to put the other party at ease and break out of autopilot could use more toning up.

Sticking point= Getting women to hook like fish on a hook

Fix= Improve fundamentals!

 

[Mr.Rob]

2/18 Pcola

Didn't have much focus on anything but approaching in general. Was a little tough getting motivated/not making vagina excuses.

Anyway I did go to Walmart and approach 2 girls in between classes. Lets see how I did.

1. Cute girl looking at shampoo's I opened in a very sexy voice for me... well it sounded confident at least. I just opened her in the isle and she was not very warm at all but did exchange names. We exchanged some decent banter considering how cold she was and she was really not all that interested. Probably too distracted by her own life to get reeled in by my charms .
*Didn't keep a slow voice the whole time. I consistently sped up to fill in social pressure gaps and then went back to sexy levels. All good I can easily work on this.
*Had a little herky jerkiness in my sexy voice in the actual sound as well. Need consistency!
!- Did good job of beating her shit tests when she said she didn't have an accent that I told her she had.
!- Had decent banter

2. Polish girl leaving Walmart I opened with not as good voice as the first one. She said she was making a phone call when I opened and I called her out and told her to stop for two seconds so I could chat her up. She complied talked for a second and then when I asked her what her name was she ignored and walked off. Luckily coach granny sitting in the caddy told me I needed to go catch up and make her mine. I heeded her advice, gratefully, and went caught back up, exchanged names and had a good chat. She was married we had fun banter and both left on a happy note.
*Didn't go re open immediately after getting rejected.
*Didn't have sexy voice fundamentals see above
!- Did good job getting past her initial barriers when she said she was on the phone. A little persistence got her to put her phone away and talk.
!- Went and re opened with the reminding/help from the old lady

Need to replicate voice from first opener then improve on top of that.
Also learned I need to start getting into the habit of re opening girls that are warm (and maybe some that aren't) but reject initially to build strength and have fun and potentially turn around a failed approach.

Need to continually upgrade fundamentals and keep working on getting women to hook.

Lastly the girl that originally wasn't very warm at first was glad I stopped to talk. Need to get the fact through my head that its okay to open and have things go to hell. Specially on the first approach. Just fuggin do it mate.

 

[Mr.Rob]

2/20 Pcola

Missed out on a few opportunities at the school but I have forgiven my rather lazy self and the rest of the day went pretty good.

My goals, though not written down (need to do this from now on after writing FR's), were to get a dead on hook that led to a promising number close. Along with practice deliberately my voice fundamentals.

I've noticed that there doesn't seem to be an abundance of hot girls where I live. Mostly just fuckable to cute most of the time... very few drop dead gorgeous women. Not rating just a casual observation that it might be a good idea to start looking into moving out of Ptown.

1. Sexy girl in the mall that seemed to be pretty into me right off the bat. Though I scuffed through this one a bit clumsily she was on the verge of hooking when I opened her. I had a dose of paralysis and stale conversation. Well here I carried almost all the weight of the conversation (refer to Liam's video on voice) and had a very platonic vibe as a result. Nonetheless I approached and got the ball rolling!
*Bad voice fundamentals and carried the whole convo on my back

2. Iceland girl from class from 10th grade. Lol as I reminded her I sort of came from a chasing frame of convo saying I think she used to sit in front of me in class, when she didn't remember at all. Really bad voice fundamentals, very lazy, stonerish sounding with cracks in my voice. Lol. She was walking around in every direction as I talked to her signaling in her body language that I was fairly unwanted. No problem I'll find a girl with better taste! And fix my voice while I'm at it!

3. Young girl with nice legs checking out music. I did a pretty good impromptu opener to find out how old she was and quickly screen whether or not she was in college or not. Turns out she was in high school and off the market. I never stated my interest.
*Poor voice fundamentals. - Too fast/nervous sounding/running words together.

4. Two girls walking around food court I opened, with poor voice fundamentals once again, and after my opener things fell flat and they rejected me. My theory is that I had a bad reaction to their reaction. My reaction was that I wasn't fully sure of myself and this caused them not to be fully sure of me. I could have re opened them but the girl I opened originally was fairly cold and I pussed out a bit. Maybe for the better as I doubt that I would have been able to turn it around, however I'm speculating.
*Poor voice
*Unsure/hesitant vibe

5. Girl in target that I traded smiles and EC with when passing in the aisle that I had to go meet. Better voice fundamentals here but definitely could have been better. Totally failed to get past small talk but nonetheless she seemed quite distracted and had a boyfriend. We were both happy for stopping to chat.
*Improve voice... though better from mall.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Cont. from yesterday 2/20.
Happened in B&N bookstore.
I was walking up and down isles browsing and noticed a petite black girl, def. a little on the hood side, browsing through the romance section. I opened indirect direct and led us to having a fun little opener.

We traded small talk, names, and a little banter and seemed to be getting along decently. She was very inquisitive in a very nosy way and also thought I was a serial killer. This was a fairly long interaction so I will hit the key areas/transitions.

About 7-10 min. upon opening her she was asking what I did for a living and I told her to guess and she refused. I proposed we go sit down and get a coffee together in which then she could find out what I did for a living. She agreed and I lead her (sort of she wanted me to go first so she wouldn't get kidnapped) to get coffee. I told her I just wanted a water which was free and she said she wanted a coffee. I said cool you can get whatever you want I'll pour you a glass of water if would like. She declined so we sat down. Me with water and her with her hands to play with.

Right off the bat she was drilling me with questions and shit tests. She called me creepy and told me I seem like a guy off criminal minds that would abduct someone. I found this quite amusing and told her that I have been called worse and tried to redirect the conversation onto her.
!- I did good being non reactive/amused to her assessments of me

She kept bringing up the fact I didn't buy her a coffee and how I'm not a gentlemen in which I replied that "being a gentlemen was never my goal". This got us talking on the subject and looking back on it I probably should have changed threads immediately to something more relevant to her. Stayed on this too long and it was somewhat negative to her it seems.

At one point we played the questions game and the wager was that whomever loses has to tell a sex story out from their favorite sex novel. She lost and started talking about some sex scene in an office after hours and it wasn't that good but I was trying to get her opening up on her fantasies anyway. I did a bad job of sticking to the sex scene part and instead talked about the emotions of the characters post sex.
*Got onto the wrong thread here post sex story and needed to stay on the topic of sex

After this I made a big mistake and lost a frame battle (if you could call it that). What happened was that I decided it was time for me to get up and stretch (thus move) and try my best to escalate somehow someway. I got up and proposed we go outside to get some fresh air. She declined and said she wanted to go look at romance novels. I said I didn't want to do that but ultimately changed my frame to going to look at novels as soon as I knew she wasn't going to come outside with me.
*Should have grabbed her hand and said we're getting some fresh air real quick come!
*If I lose her I lose her no biggie.. except that I had already been chatting for way too long (1 1/2 hours)

We go look at the romance section and were in silence for a minute and I figured I'd try and do my best to get her acquainted with my touch.
At one point she inquired on my belt so I used this as an opportunity to get close and show her. When I invaded her personal bubble she was very resistant to me being there and asked me why I was getting so close to her. I should've grabbed her then and there and held her just to see what would happen "so you'd probably hate it if I did this right now *pull her in close"

At one point we got on the topic of racial differences and we talked about how she was just never into white guys and continued to spout out a somewhat racial remark of my race. It doesn't really bother me as it's a general generalization from black people but I called her out on it subtly and
!- she qualified herself of not having those views on the white race anymore.

I tried to propose that we go grab food somewhere since we're both hungry she declined because she said I wouldn't pay for her food. Then she asked what it was I wanted from her (for the 3rd or 4th time) and I told her I simply found her attractive and wanted to get to know her. I had a good yes ladder and told I liked her and she obviously liked me so let's continue to hang out and enjoy ourselves. She agreed but then we got off subject for a minute and she declared she was going to go home to eat and that we should just trade numbers instead. I tried my hardest to talk her into coming with me but ultimately couldn't. I agreed to take her number and meet up at a later time.

Turns out she gave me a fake number lol. The first time I've ever had that happen to me.

Anyway what I learned from all this is that if I don't start screening and qualifying and seeing if girls are actually into me and moving faster I'm going to be wasting a lot of time. I spent over an hour and a half with this girl and didn't hardly even break the touch barrier. I need to screen sexually and make some bolder moves. Get to know a girl faster and move her around quicker.

 

[Mr.Rob]

FR+ Bag of Contradictions

Just got home from this one.

Their is a country girl in my entrepreneurship class that piqued my curiosity from the first day. She's very quiet and shy but whenever I would talk to her she would start qualifying herself and that seemed to be all she could talk about. She's an accomplished horseback rider and very passionate about horses in general. The 2nd day I ever talked to her she kept qualifying herself in how she had fallen off her horse, broke her leg, and passed out from the pain. She showed me the pictures on her laptop and they were pretty gnarly (like her riding full speed and falling off a horse in slo mo.. lol this girls a bad ass deep down). I'm thinking this girl is a bag of contradictions. She's so shy and reserved but has this burning passion in her eyes when she talks about certain things such as horses. And she speeds like a wild woman out of the parking lot in her candy red mustang.

We have talked a little here and there and have mostly been fairly charismatic when dealing with her and I can tell by how she looks at me along with her constantly qualifying herself that she was into me.

I had missed opportunities to get her out on a date (she usually is the first to dash out of class as soon as class gets out) and the last time we had class when I walked into the room she avoided my eye contact and I was too nervous to start a conversation with her and single her out (due to the many looking eyes) since I figured she would auto reject. I also figured she already had since she didn't make eye contact with me when I entered the room (totally overthinking this one a bit).

So I knew I needed to talk to her 1 on 1 preferably before class started so I could actually catch her. I was 50/50 on her being in auto rejection so I knew I'd have to make it count. It was 30 min. before class started and she was in her car. I didn't want to catch her walking to class and figured it good excuse that I was bored waiting for class so I walked up to her car and waved at the tinted mirror. She rolled down her window and I made some very warm banter with her for a second and she turned out to not be auto rejected at all. She was talking with the window half way rolled down and I probably looked like a hobo begging for money if anyone was watching so I told her to keep me company till class started and we went and sat down on a picnic bench outside the school.

I deep dived her on her horses, family, relationships etc. We also shared some witty banter but no chase frames.

We went to class and when it ended I noticed instead of her packing up and leaving straight away she didn't. I packed up my stuff and wouldn't you know it she followed directly behind me. I kept the door open for her and we walked to our cars. I got very direct when the conversation died down a bit
"You know Amber I find you very interesting. Your such a mystery to me. (genuine here)" She says she's not interesting at all. I beg to differ and tell her I'd like to get to know her better over a coffee or something. She says she doesn't drink coffee and give resistance to the idea. I tell that it doesn't matter what we do and ask her what she's about to do. She says she going to go eat and I tell her let's grab a bite to eat together now. We decide to eat at Chick-fil-A... so romantic?

We drive to the restaurant and when we go to order I let her order first and assume she's paying for herself. She says your up and so I go to place my order and the chick behind the register says that my meal costs 10$. I wasn't going to make a big deal over it so I just paid but she could tell something was up from the facial expression on my face. Don't know if this was good or bad.

It's a little awkward at first I keep looking at her and can't find anything to say and neither can she. Soon enough we're sharing small talk and we get our food and sit down. I get her talking about herself mostly her horses and were in just a general deep dive. I explore more into how she got into the sport and what she thinks about the people that do it. I find out she writes a lot but refuses to share what she writes about to anyone as it's quite personal to her. She writes poetry and has written 3 books all that she won't let anyone read.

I can tell she had somewhat of a troubled past a bit since she talks how she used to be popular in high school but in her senior year retreated into her shell and became a bit of a recluse and even more shy. I pryed a bit deeper and she revealed some bad news that I think handled pretty well. In highschool she was stalked by some weirdo that was jealous of her boyfriend and told her he was going to kill her. He brought a knife to school and told 20+ people that he was going to kill her and no one reported it. One period her cornered her and stuffed her into a stairwell and pulled the knife on her and luckily he was restrained by some football players.

She started getting into it a bit and I asked one questions showed some sympathy and tried my best to change topics without being a dick in order not to get friendzoned as a therapist. I could have probably been a bit more rock like but I couldn't actually believe that happened to her.

Soon enough we were on a different, more positive topic, and when it started to die out a bit I decided it was time to move. I was cold anyway and figured getting the blood moving would make me feel a bit better. We started walking in no particular direction. At this point in time I didn't know if I had create more attraction or less but was willing to find out. She had her hands in her pockets so I couldn't hold her hand and she was not wanting to walk too close to me. Here we got a bit more in the moment and less serious. Just having spontaneous and role playing conversations where we acted out however we felt like. I got her to come close to me at one point and called her an asshole for not keeping me warm (she had a jacket on). Because she was an asshole I pushed her off the little mound we were on and pulled myself with her and we tumbled around together in the grass.

She didn't want to stay on the ground very long and got up and left to go sit on a nearby bench. I didn't follow for a couple of minutes and after a few smiles traded I got myself up and went to sit by her. We walked back and then around to the deserted mall parkinglot. We walked around the backside of a building and I started playing with an abandoned shopping cart. I told her to get in and made the reference that I was in control of her life.. it was a "trust test" since she doesn't trust anybody. So I semi violently whipped her around in the shopping cart while making sexy evil facial expressions at her. We got out on to the mall parkinglot and I pretended to push her into the door of Dillards as us "breaking the rules" then I pushed her into the middle of the parkinglot and made her walk and get out herself.

There was one moment where I got my face really close to hers while she was in the shopping cart and exchanged sexy EC together and she put up the little barrier for the childs seat to block my face when the pressure built.

When we were walking back I gave her my arm to loop together and she complied for about 30 seconds before retreating her arm back into her pockets. I noticed when she got out of the cart that she had a tattoo on her ribs that led down to her pantylines. I told her to stop because I saw something interesting on her. She didn't know what it was I was talking about I looked her in the eyes and pulled her shirt up and managed to check out her tattoo. It was a zebra (which perfectly represents her) and I examined it closely and felt it very gently with my fingers running it up and down the length of her tattoo. Here she didn't resist and allowed me to touch her.

We walked back to our cars and got into some banter and I managed to touch her a bit more and went to kiss her she turned her head and I smiled. Soon I went at her again while I was holding her somewhat and manhandled her a bit and forced a kiss. She didn't seem to mind much but instantly retreated back into her shell and crossed her arms and started walking around. I gave her the space she wanted and continued the fun conversation we were having. We get along pretty decent as we're both outcasts of a sort.

We trade fun banter and cycle through fun topics and feelings on certain aspects of life. At one point I take her hands and say were going to play a game. The questions game and we're pulling each other towards one another while we play. (the game is you ask a questions and she asks a question to answer your question thus building a lot of social pressure if done right).

I pull her into me and embrace for a second only for her to retreat back into her shell again. Here I lean up against her car while she slowly walks past me from side to side seemingly like a vulture would circle a dying animal. I call her out on this and we poke fun for a second. I throw out a couple chase frames and she bites on most of them or laughs. I also inquire on her ass and how I like it a lot... cornbread fed women

I try a couple more times to kiss her but she flees every time.
I forget how but I got her leaning up with me side by side against her car talking. I talked about how for our entre class we're in I wanted to make a BDSM experimentation hotel as my idea for our business plan based on the 50 shades of grey book. We get on the subject of BDSM momentarily and I talk about it to give her the vibe that I'm sexually free and respect women that are sexually free. I set a little chase frame with this and before I get another chance to make a move she moves off again. I can tell this girl does not like to be tied down at all and really enjoys her freedom. I totally respect and admire it.

She keeps checking her phone and I know it's getting late and need to make a serious move quick. But she had been checking her phone frequently for the past 30 minutes but never said anything about having to leave soon. I knew she wanted me to kiss her and break her resitance. I did.

I told her to come with me and brought her over to a grass bed near the restaurant and started role playing a bit again. I told her she was a naughty girl and needed to be punished so I literally gave her a hug and simultaneously fell with her in my arms to the ground. I was on top of her and she couldn't budge I looked at her briefly and planted a kiss on her lips with me pulling back first. I gazed down on her. She tried to squirm a bit under me but I just gazed. Told her I liker her lips and went to kiss her again. She turned cheek and I grabbed her chin/face with my hand and gently manhandled her face so I could kiss her again. Once I started kissing her she finally submitted and started putting her tongue in my mouth (good sign). I pulled back since I knew we couldn't have sex where we were. She squirmed and I let her up to be free. She immediately went to her car and unlocked it. I told her we need to do this again soon and got a little chasey by accident.

I told her we must do this again and she agreed but gave some more resistance, like always, but I like it. She makes a self deprecating remark about how shes a loner and in an attempt to be funny/witty I try to do the same but end up fucking up and calling myself a piece of shit loser. Don't know where that came from except I was a bit in asshole mode and it kind of came out. She didn't really like this and said some intriguing thing and shut her door and locked it. I looked at her through her car glass, smiled sexily, and winked. I was going to give her the space she wanted so I turned and entered my car without looking at her again afterward.

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All and all I think I did a good job here except for moving too slow, a couple minor bumps in the conversation, and then the major fuck up last line where I called my self a piece of shit loser as a form of self deprecation on steroids that busted veins from OD.

Even though I chased for like 2.3 seconds before catching myself and the bad attempt at self deprecation I think I cemented enough good emotions for her to still be intrigued and want more when the time comes.

Will keep updated.

 

[Mr.Rob]

3/6 Pcola

Very dreary day today but I was determined to make somebody smile and exchange good energy with my fellow city dwellers.

I'm making it a habit in daygame to build some social momentum prior to approaching, unless I just see a hot girl I have to talk to then obviously shoot.

My goal was to get into conversation with a minimum of 3 people at the first venue (Walmart). For some reason I've set this goal in the past and have failed to reach it but I had no problem whatsoever and ended up chatting up like 5-6 random people, though there were no hot women to speak of which was weird. No recordings .

1. JCP I approached a girl that was apparently drinking margaritas while shopping in the baby section which she apparently thought was the woman's section. Lol this girl is seems fun already. She had a low cut shirt that displayed her B-C cup boobs and it was hard not to stare at her tits. She was very warm and receptive and chatted for a bit exchanged some banter, before she admitted she was a good girl and couldn't cheat on her boyfriend.
!- I gave a command straight for her to stay with me when she started leaving and she did, though she admitted her monogamous relationship shortly after.
*- My command wasn't said correctly (warm and question like) and I think it was a bit tentative... non commanding lol.

2. Leaving JCP two Russian girls, that weren't particularly hot but had nice bodies. I approached and they soon started to walk away and were disinterested.
*- I can't remember if they smiled or not but either way I forgot to re open them and persist.

3. BAM- situationally approached and chatted for a bit. It was definitely a hiding the banana situation so I decided to go direct fairly soon after being in conversation. She was in a LTR.
* Should've transitioned more smoothly by making an assumption that she was buying a book for her boyfriend rather than stating point blank "are you single?"

4. MAll- 2 set that I opened with an opener that seemed pretty canned. We made some banter and exchanged good energy before them both telling me they had boyfriends.
*Upon fully delivering my opener they both reacted and said they had boyfriends, I remember having a fairly reactive facial expression before regaining control of my presence and forging on. Next time stay non reactive and just realize the opener is a way to initiate a conversation not a do or die outcome deal.

Goals for next outing:
1. Practice commanding and building compliance~ Give at least one command to every woman I meet (from tell me your name, to unbutton my pants for me )
2. Voice- Speak clearly and enunciate with every opener. Obviously continuing into the interaction but worried most about the opener. (If I fail to do so on the opener I must open a random person and tell them I'm a failure)

 

[Marty]

Boy, you do a lot of group approaches, Rob!

I approached a girl that was apparently drinking margaritas while shopping in the baby section which she apparently thought was the woman's section. Lol this girl is seems fun already. She had a low cut shirt that displayed her B-C cup boobs and it was hard not to stare at her tits.

ROFL

Can't believe no one commented on your FR+ from 2/25. I tend to miss the ones that are buried in journals, though I'm sure you have sound reasons for keeping things together.

Anyway, very nice social-circle field report. Well done. She sounds lovely. A few things:

I didn't want to catch her walking to class and figured it good excuse that I was bored waiting for class so I walked up to her car and waved at the tinted mirror. ... I told her to keep me company till class started and we went and sat down on a picnic bench outside the school.

This is excellent.

She's very quiet and shy but whenever I would talk to her she would start qualifying herself and that seemed to be all she could talk about. ... (like her riding full speed and falling off a horse in slo mo.. lol this girls a bad ass deep down).

I remember a few girls like this from my own university days... pity I didn't have any "game" back then. I got a few of 'em though in spite of all odds

I just paid but she could tell something was up from the facial expression on my face. Don't know if this was good or bad.

It is my opinion that this is not too good... it shows you being reactive, which isn't the most masculine trait. Work on your poker face

I asked one questions showed some sympathy and tried my best to change topics without being a dick in order not to get friendzoned as a therapist. I could have probably been a bit more rock like but I couldn't actually believe that happened to her.

See Chase's comment to me here in case it is useful to you. (Search for the word "backwards".)

I noticed when she got out of the cart that she had a tattoo on her ribs that led down to her pantylines. I told her to stop because I saw something interesting on her. She didn't know what it was I was talking about I looked her in the eyes and pulled her shirt up and managed to check out her tattoo. It was a zebra (which perfectly represents her) and I examined it closely and felt it very gently with my fingers running it up and down the length of her tattoo. Here she didn't resist and allowed me to touch her.

We walked back to our cars and got into some banter and I managed to touch her a bit more and went to kiss her she turned her head and I smiled. Soon I went at her again while I was holding her somewhat and manhandled her a bit and forced a kiss.

All of this seems beautifully handled.

We get along pretty decent as we're both outcasts of a sort.

This is actually very nice indeed. I'm happy for you

I also inquire on her ass and how I like it a lot... cornbread fed women

LOL

Once I started kissing her she finally submitted and started putting her tongue in my mouth (good sign).

Attaboy. Way to go!

-Marty

 

[Mr.Rob]

This seems to be taking the interaction backwards to me; she was being very sincere and communicating unequivocally that she liked you, but rather than reciprocate you tease her for being lonely. This is one it's pretty easy to get wrong; a lot of the time when you go for being funny, you can actually be punishing the girl for doing something good, and move the interaction in an unfavorable direction. Even if she laughs, the message sinks in: don't show him your soft side, because he's not going to show you his.

This must be the part that you were talking about Marty?

Where exactly do you think I went wrong in my interaction? I'm guessing me not relating more and showing a more tender side to me after her sharing this traumatic past event that left her vulnerable.

Is that correct?

I usually just say "wow I couldn't imagine having to go through that at such an age" "I can imagine that leaving an impact on your trust for people after going through that, I'm sorry that happened to you."
All said without showing a ton of emotion and oversympathy.

But you think I should handle this different?

Thanks for weighing in btw I didn't really think anyone took the time of day to look at my journal, since it's pretty dull for the most part. (I don't really read anyone's journals for that reason... except for Nicks! Nick has a baller fucking journal. And of course G_P and Wes even though Wes is MIA... I think he went to Military)
My plan is to post the good FR's/LR's I get on the regular forum area and save the boring learning stuff for me.

But by all means if you think this stuff is good literature read away .

-Rob

 

[Mr.Rob]

3/11 Pcola

1. Girl in target whom was averagely cute but I couldn't keep my jaw from dropping when she bent down to pick up some items in her yoga pants (funny enough ever since Franco's post on yoga pants I've been seeing so many girls in yoga pants =).
Not going to lie looking back on the recording the way I said hi sounded a bit stalkerish, but upon delivering my opener she did immediately fill in the void and asked me a question.

Voice was a bit shaky, but could've been worse. She was definitely qualifying herself to some degree but wasn't super hooked. She was a maybe girl.

She inquired on my age, she guessed 21 I told her she was right and then disqualified herself as being able to have something between us since she likes older men because "they know what their doing" lol slap in the face. I commented sexually she said maybe in which I said definitely. I should've used this opportunity to go into some mild sex talk from a book I just picked up and got her more comfortable being around me.

I told her it was alright that she doesn't date younger men since I wasn't trying to date her. We proposed to be "friends" of course with an undertone (or so I thought).

Something was definitely off though looking back... a piece missing. My vibe could've been improved and more lively rather than stoner sounding and lazish. I also didn't really say much more than a couple comments here and there and nothing interesting enough other than the fact I approached her.

The transition when I went to propose we get coffee was a bit random almost she was talking about making friends and then I just blurted out "well hey we should grab a cup of coffee then". Would've been better to say "well you do sound like you need a friend. Lets grab a coffee soon and see what blossoms".

She offered to take my number I said I don't give out my number to strangers in which she said the same thing. I tried to persist a little bit in getting her number but I ultimately just started to make myself sound a tad desperate in that effort and made her resist harder.

I commanded her to give me her hand and I kissed it in front of a bunch of strangers.

Boom goal complete.

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Approaches from memory:

1. Girl I Walmart with sexy hip sway action. We were checking out together in the DIY line and I knew I wanted to open her but felt like it would be smoother to finish my checkout before opening her. I did and commented that she looked like she was preparing for the end of the world (ton of crap in her buggy). I then went in direct and she called tried to call me out for stalking her in the store prior (lol oh shit now what do I do). I can't remember how straight my poker face was (probably not very) but I wasn't super fased by it. She started acting all nervous about it and wouldn't stop talking. I called her nervousness out and she turned more nervous so I just bid them (her friend came back) farewell.
-My thinking is that she wasn't used to getting approached and isn't normally called attractive. Idk low self esteem maybe and her calling me a creeper was her defense.

2. Older woman with sexy hair that checked me out across the street. I had to run to catch up to her which kind of sucked and I think I botched my opening/fundamentals a bit/spooked her a bit and she made the claim she was in a rush and couldn't talk. I still commanded her though to tell me her name!

3. cute girl coming into the natural food store. I stopped her and told her she was cute and she soon enough excused herself, brushed me off, and went inside with her friend. Trying to think how to better persist in these situations. Perhaps instead of trying to force some trying convo get romantic and try and twirl her around and inject some fun positive emotion in her life. Commanded her to tell me her name.

4. Black girl in the mall whom I held the door open for who had a baby in her hands, though she was still cute. (I still haven't figured out why there is such an epidemic of young black women with children before marriage/long term relationships. I feel bad for them and the kids but whatever it is what it is, but don't black men use f-ing condoms?) We chatted and she engaged me in some banter and then I figured I'd stop her and introduce myself and tell her she was cute and propose a date. Half way through the conversation a guy she knew interrupted us and chatted for a second (they seemed like old friends so I wasn't like getting cock blocked). I tried to have a bit of fun with her and got her number before proposing a date. She didn't seem hardcore into me and I felt a bit tryhard during the interaction. Commanded her to give me her name and kiss on the cheek.

That is all for today.

Same goals for next outing as last .

 

[Mr.Rob]

Today was fun.
3/13 Pcola

1. In BAM cute girl looking at books... this was the worst set of the day. I was nervous and she picked up on it and fled like I had the plague.

2. In B&N there was a girl sitting down in the café area studying that kept glancing up at me. I knew I had to do something. I was on the opposite side of the railing her being in the café me in the bookstore separated by a waist high gate railing thing. I asked her what she was studying and we got into conversation. I felt like I was fighting to get something going and get past the awkward stage and then I at last went direct and leaned (chased) over the rail to tell her I thought she was cute.
My voice was still a bit nervous and I said a couple dumb things.
!- Pretty badass approach with an audience
*- Horrible voice fundamentals/nervous. Sometimes when I get nervous I tend to whisper loudly and raspily. Not pleasant to listen to.
*- Many awkward gaps in the conversation that needed to be fleshed out a bit. I'm thinking for these scenarios I'll be more charismatic and chatty and voice a little longer worded opinion or thought, whilst injecting more positive emotion, to better fill the gaps, get her comfortable, and give her something to work with as well.

3. Girl at my school walking to class. This one went a lot better! I said hi and delivered my opener and she was laughing and in a good mood as I said it. She was still a maybe girl and I had to try and get the conversation kindled. Unfortunately I was a little bit on the joker/entertainer side (though I'm a harsh critic) and my voice was still sucking balls (not very dominant, though it wasn't nervous!).

Me: Well I don't want to hold you up for too long, you seem like a very disciplined girl and I'm assuming ambitious, soo, lets grab a coffee, get to know each other a little bit and

Her: (cutting me off while giggling) you just pick up girls so easily?

Me: Easily? I don't know what you're talking about.

Her: uh Huh? (semi eye roll of skepticism)

Me: what do you mean pick up women?

Her: idk

Me: If I were to pick up women I'd be using my hands (as I go put my arm around her to emphasize what I just said... though looking back I should have literally just picked her up)

Her: welllll.. suree you can get my number (said in a way like I had just earned her number) ... uh did something wrong somewhere down the line

Me: (processing thoughts in order to come up with good response) But I want to actually get to know you, not just go pick you up, hook up and that's it. That's simply not fun. (here I'm trying to make her think that that's what she's implying and me try to point this in the direction that I actually give a fuck to get to know who she is)

this didn't work out super well and she soon excused herself to go to class. I insisted she stay for another minute and told her we need to trade contact info and I commanded her to have a seat next to me (there was a bench nearby) in which I didn't command in a question like voice, thus having her resist my attempts to command thus stacking negative compliance :/. She tried to say she had to go to class again but I commanded her to stay and then immediately cut the thread and moved to a new topic (her job).

She soon said something else about her having to go to class so I told her to give me her contact info

then this came into play when exchanging contact info

Me: Are you an eight fifty girl? (referencing area code)

Her: Whats that? You mean the area code yeah I'm 850... yes I am ----- (BOOM hold up I just turned her from a face with a personality into a number and she said "yes I am" rather shamefully like I was adding her to my list of hoes or something... like Ludacris's song Area Codes)

Though on the bright side I did do a cool little trick. Instead of asking for her to tell me my number, as a dude was walking past, I told her to check my phone to see if it's working and winked at her with a smile to signal her to put her digits in that way passerby's wouldn't think she's getting picked up.

So at this point she was still a "maybe" girl and then as we were leaving she left without too much "I'm so glad you came to talk to me!" vibe and simply wished I have a good one. Then on top of that I tell her
"good luck with your discipline in life" in a rather awkward not so socially adroit way. lol it's amazing how many retarded sentences come out of my mouth on a daily basis.

4. Cute black girl in yoga pants walking out of the mall talking on her cell.

Me: Hi

Her: Hi

me: Is that an important phone call (said non commanding and very questioneee like with a very soft voice... non dominant)

Her: yes (laughs)

me: Like on a scale of 1-10?

her: like on a scale of 1-10 it'd be 7

me: is it your boyfriend? (said this to screen very quickly if it was worth my time persisting to get her to hang up, also I wasn't asking her if she had a boyfriend so I was going to assume she was single if she said no)

her: noooo, its my sister

me: tell her you just met a really romantic and need 2 seconds to talk

her: (laughs) I have a boyfriend soo I probably won't be able to talk to you.

Me: that was my next question "whether or not you were single".. but anyways pleasure meeting you

Her: (laughs) you too

Me: (we meet eye contact and smile) I'm trying to resist not kissing you right now

Her: laughs and thanks me

5. Girl I stopped in the mall I told her she was cute she told me she had a boyfriend and was putting up mild resistance to chat whatsoever. Then she asked me my name and in a playful (yet stupid) way I asked her why she cared, and she walked away with an eye roll and kept going.
*don't be a complete asshole

6. Situational opener in a natural food store.

Me: I guess paying such high prices for all these foods and whatnot should eventually pay off in the long run when everyone else is on their deathbed going through kemo, what do you think? (smile)

Her: (has unsure look on her face then laughs after she realizes I'm smiling) haha yeah I guess so

We had a pretty decent little chat and got along pretty well. I was a bit on the friendly side here but that was mostly after I saw she was married and didn't want to come on to her to hard (have no desire to fuck a married woman), though perhaps I shouldn't adjust myself to fit her relationship status.

Things went pretty smooth and she was open and had good health food tips for me!

7. Very petite blonde in old navy with sexy lips (mmmm!) . Not the hottest girl but she had a nice little booty and boobs.
We passed each other and smiled in which I should've opened immediately but didn't.
We flowed around each other for a bit and she went to some ladies section so I mingled my way over, pre opened, and said:

Her: Hi (no real facial expression bad or good except that she was broken out of autopilot

Me: I really like your scarf (she wasn't wearing a scarf) *said I a very shitty voice* AHHH!

her: I don't have a scarf (said in a very whispering soft voice)

Me: I know its just a way to make conversation (said matter of factly)

her: oh okay, hehe (smiles), oh I was confused I was like "I don't have a scarf on!"

Me: Noo, your hair and your smile brought me over

Her: (said in a whisper again) ugh my hair looks so nasty

Me: (I didn't actually like her hair that much and she could sense it... I did like her lips though don't know why I didn't say that :/... sooo I try and course correct)
Nooo, I just like the flow and the blondness

Her: Yeah? okay, hmph, I'm glad someone likes it

Me: I just had to come find out who you were

Her: I'm Morgan

Me: I'm Robert

Her: Nice to meet you Robert

me: yeah.. soo what brings you out today? Your shopping for uh your boyfriend? (I know I'm not supposed to even bring this up but I like Just_dave's advice on this as a screening tool to psyfer through women that most likely won't be following your lead anyway.. I like to use this on girls that are maybe girl since a lot of times they are "maybe" girls because they have boyfriends (and my fundamentals aren't rock star status).

Her: (she had some camo pants in her hand and made the assumption I was talking about them) I can't have camo pants? Are these man pants?

Me: No I didn't know, It was just the first assumption

Her: I think they're actually way too big for me (they were small friggin pants lol). I'm going to go look in the childrens department!

me: (me backpedaling) I didn't say put them back I'm sure they'd look sexy on you.

Her: no they're going to be way too big I can tell you that right now

So I pretty much kooked it already and was kind of acting like a wuss rather than a charming asshole, but I was determined to persist and see how far I could take it.

I failed to make it past small talk after inquiring about her job and figured a number close was near to impossible to realisticly have it lead anywhere so I tried to get her on an instant date.

I propose that she quit shopping and me and her go grab a coffee and chat for a bit. She tells me I'm very forward and we get on the topic of spontaneity for a minute and she tells me of her last spontaneous charade.

Then she wanders a bit out of range to look for some more clothes and since I don't want to chase I command her to come back to me. She asks why I can't follow her around the store (not a good sign) and I cut the thread and command her over.

She complies and then I tell her to give me her hand. She complies and then I tell her were going to get coffee right now. She laughs and comments on how forward I am again. She says

Her: but I want to shop though!

Me: yeah but shopping will be here forever

her: (whispering again) yeah but I need to shop right now... do you think this kids section is going to fit me (she verges on the ADHD side of things)

Me: yeah I'm sure you have a very slim and petite figure, but I don't have time to stand around, shop, and chase you around the store that's ridiculous

Her: right so ridiculous (sarcastically said)

I ask her something else and we get off subject for a second and the next thing I know she wandering around the store again like a lost child.

I know she's not going to come back so I figure one more round of persisting can't hurt. So I casually walk over to the kids section and

Me: I'm little too far in to this to give up now otherwise I'd just look like a complete wuss, and soo I'm going to ask you one more time

Her: (cuts me off) haha I think you might be a tad too young for me

Me: what makes you think that?

Her: how old are you?

me: guess

Her: you said you weren't 21, though I thought you'd be older than 21 but you kinda let the cat out of the bag didn't you?

Me: I don't see how age has anything to do with anything (probably could have said something smoother like and in a way that doesn't make it seem like I'm taking offense like "age doesn't really mean much except that you've been circling the sun a bit longer or shorter than other people.. I'm assuming you simply like experienced men?"

Anyway I cut the thread soon enough and take her by the hand to attempt to lead her away and she denies and tells me I'm sooo forward and calls me "sir" which I guess is kinda good but nonetheless couldn't get her to budge. She then cuts the thread, picks up a pair of shorts and makes a comment about them.

All and all the whole vibe was definitely chasing/persisting... though she was just really not all that interested. I'd imagine if my fundamentals and vibe were put together better then this would have been a deal breaker... and also if I didn't botch the initial opener/transition into small talk.

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In review my voice sucks a lot and I need to get that handled.

In my conversation I could probably work on getting past small talk faster and being more intentional rather than tentative.

Goals for Next outing:
1. Back to getting past small talk better since I'm apparently having a bit of trouble here lately.
-read "getting past small talk"
-Get past small talk into actual meat and potatoes with 4 girls. Specifically by giving more detail about yourself in the process (but not too much!)

2. VOICE- With every girl you open, open in a warm voice (even if it's try hard and over the top.. or possibly loud).

3. Intention- Open every girl with the simple intention to spread some sunshine into their day and nothing else. This is achievable and is the intention to give positive emotion.
-once opened and gauged openness of said woman go into getting past small talk

 

[Gentle_Phrases]

Keep chasing those skirts

 

[Mr.Rob]

Keep getting those skirts chasing pimpin.

Or figure out how to at least lol.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Between work, travel, school, and PU I haven't had much time to write any reports even though I should be. So here's some observations and theories of where I think I'm fucking up. Though I have been steady chatting up girls in my spare time.

Field report from 4/22 from the mall/Walmart.

Opened 4 girls yesterday. 2 situationally which was good momentum but didn't pan out into anything. 2 girls direct in which the first girl was in high school and the last girl I went on an instant date that I will summarize briefly.

Opened with "are you single?" and got a solid "Yes!". I think the first time in my life I had that opener work well. I like to use it when the I can't come up with any particular thing I like about the girl to compliment her on... gives me more time to think.

I screened for logistics and found out she was free so I figured I'd try and take her on an instant date and see how far I could take things.

I exhibited the worst leadership of my life here. Lol. I told her, prior to taking her on an instant date, we were going to go on an adventure and I took myself wayyy tooo seriously and put pressure on myself to "make sure we had an exciting adventure". First mistake. I ended up walk the length of the mall, into the parkinglot, and not having a clue where I was going thought "wtf am I doing?" and then she suggested we go sit down somewhere (she had bags and probably had no desire to walk miles upon miles). So I followed her lead mistake #2, which definitely lowered my value and her attraction.

We ended up on a comfy sofa in the mall and I deep dove her for a while and she didn't ask me one question about myself. Though the funny thing was that we were both so invested at this point (she followed me around the mall in circles for 20 min./I lead to nowhere for 20 min.) it would've been really awkward to just get up and leave/make an excuse to do so.

Eventually it did get kind of awkward as we exhausted topics and didn't really have much sexual energy, or any energy at all for that matter. I got her number and bid her farewell. Pretty much just chalked that one up as a waste of time and stupid tax on my part but when I texted her an icebreaker she responded back IMMEDIATELY and was investing via text. That may not mean anything and I'm not going to go out of my way but if she agrees to coming over for dinner she's welcome to do so.

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Takeaway's:
Okay so firstly really shitty leadership, though this is easily fixable and I know better for next time.

2ndly- I was being a little bitch in this interaction by being agreeable and seeking rapport. I need to think back to how I was with Miss Williams and improve upon that style of assholery.

Also I believe I have pinpointed an major area that I've been fucking up on and that is status. Women want a man with a bit higher status than them and by doing the above traits I automatically put her in a position of higher status. Think about it. Every lay or good interaction I've had I've been the one with seemingly higher status. Every girl that I've gotten to chase me I've had perceivably higher status.

that's the difference between cold approach and social circle for me (I think) and I think if I can focus on this and mix in some assholery and up the bad boy a bit I think I might be able to take things to the next level.

-Side note- Aim to recreate the outcome independent vibe of the 25 makeout rejection mission since I was not giving a fuck and not seeking to not fuck up any interaction.