The most important take away you need to get out of corona lock down....

[Skills]

Disclaimer.- Please read the rambling i promise i will get to the point and is an extremely good point...

This skill took me almost 42 years to get and is the only advantage that i see a lot of you will get an enjoy out of corona virus....

Most of us specially latin dudes grew up with a "mami/mom", as we become adults we are looking for that "mami/mom" in our girlfriends at times.... What do i mean by that we enter adulthood and we are looking for that girlfriend to substitute.....

All of my life i always had girls in my life, i could not stand to be alone ( i know soooo many naturals like this), which is why break ups hit us soooo hard, we can not be alone....

I always had a girl or main, then she is gone, a day or week later another and another.... I could not be alone, not even sleep alone i had fuck bodies or main sleeping over every day of the week.....

Finally, at 42 years old after my break up, i had right away another girlfriend, and then another and then another in which i went mono for a year.....

Then i realized i can not do this shit i am built different i can not do this mono shit, from now I will never ever promise monogamy to nobody, and broke up with the 1 year mono..... and then....

For the first time in my life went monk mode.... After 42 years the first time in my life with no women, for couple of months i think 1 month, but i came out of that month with an ultra super power i never had.... And that super power was that for the first time in my life i was HAPPY to be alone, and learn to be HAPPY being alone with no women... Before that i always needed women in my life....

^ After acquiring this super power, the "i do not give a fuck", the "if you do not like it there is the door" the her knowing that she can walk whenever she wants and will be unfaced skillset that we try under the be "non reactive" be "non needy" became so transparent and real that..... Women became more attached and fell more harder in love with me than ever.... But it was not a "technique" it was real and they new it....

most people do not know how to be alone, they can't even be alone (which is the inspiration to this post a convo i had with my main this afternoon when she complain about this cause she did not hear from me in 4 days cause i was actually busy... edit.- meaning no hear from me as in long text/phone exchange she did hear from me).


part 2.- This is another observation of the corona lock down and the seduction community

Many guys that yell the hardest against online game, or against rotations, or against mono and the one night stand only is were is at.... Or even_________ fill in the blank gurus have not been getting laid during the corona virus...... For example Jeffy rsd confess in a recent video he has not been getting laid.... Many other tribal elders have subcommunicated they are not getting laid....

^ this makes me extremely sad, and the problem with the constant posturing and strict ideologies...

Part 3.- If you come out of this corona stuff less attractive, i am not talking break even attractiveness i am saying minimum, more attractive (fitter, more game, better style or more game understanding) then you just wasted your time....

 

[Train]

Good post. Even before corona, I was mostly content being alone. It's definitely a superpower in that I don't really need to be around people 24/7 to feel content. I enjoy my hobbies and thoughts just fine. Sure, the loneliness creeps in with girls (I'm still new). But other than that, time alone is fine.

My lifestyle before was essentially quarantine. Yes, I need to fix that. But there's benefits to it as well.

There's so much you can do by yourself. Reading. Watching great cinema. Working out. Meditating. Writing. Studying. Being social or good with women is just a piece of the puzzle.

If anything, I think time alone helped me develop personality. Because it was just me and my thoughts. My focus wasn't on other people. I could only direct energy inside myself. Might be easier as an introvert, but still.

Being alone with your thoughts helps you define yourself (if you put in the work). What do YOU like? What do YOU think of such and such? Do YOU feel ABC about XYZ? Another person takes up bandwidth. That's why people need time alone after stressful situations. To better process things on their own terms without the noise.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

finally, I get to be happy to be a foreveralone introvert lol!!!

Chase needs to get better laughing smileys in here

 

[Skills]

Good post. Even before corona, I was mostly content being alone. It's definitely a superpower in that I don't really need to be around people 24/7 to feel content. I enjoy my hobbies and thoughts just fine. Sure, the loneliness creeps in with girls (I'm still new). But other than that, time alone is fine.

My lifestyle before was essentially quarantine. Yes, I need to fix that. But there's benefits to it as well.

There's so much you can do by yourself. Reading. Watching great cinema. Working out. Meditating. Writing. Studying. Being social or good with women is just a piece of the puzzle.

If anything, I think time alone helped me develop personality. Because it was just me and my thoughts. My focus wasn't on other people. I could only direct energy inside myself. Might be easier as an introvert, but still.

Being alone with your thoughts helps you define yourself (if you put in the work). What do YOU like? What do YOU think of such and such? Do YOU feel ABC about XYZ? Another person takes up bandwidth. That's why people need time alone after stressful situations. To better process things on their own terms without the noise.

^ good points! but keep in mind, this is not an excuse not go out and get women or get laid under the "i am happy alone", if you notice in part 2 i express my disappointment with guys not getting laid even during corona...

 

[Skills]

finally, I get to be happy to be a foreveralone introvert lol!!!

Chase needs to get better laughing smileys in here

Nope that is cope.... That is totally not what i am talking about, but i know you are being sarcastic!

 

[Rakkum]

And that super power was that for the first time in my life i was HAPPY to be alone, and learn to be HAPPY being alone with no women... Before that i always needed women in my life....

Congrats, man! It's empowering, the sense of freedom, right!? I think I've been like that for the most of my adult life. A strength can be a crutch, a weakness an opportunity. This would make a good discussion topic. In what point of life is it best to run with your strengths and when to work with your weaknesses...

All of my life i always had girls in my life, i could not stand to be alone ( i know soooo many naturals like this), which is why break ups hit us soooo hard, we can not be alone....

That's interesting. Would it be correct to say that this particular path of becoming really good with women followed from the need to have a women in your life all the time? How could you not learn, right? Off all the naturals you know, what's the percentage who have a similar profile? Which other types you know?

 

[ljrozz69]

Hey Skills,
I find your post insightful as I believe that being by oneself and being happy is really essential -thats it if one wants to be independant and thus free!-.

What I am curious about is... (so I can apply myself because rn I am not happy) how did you achieve that? and why at that particular moment?

• Was it because you got validated to death and you didn't need any longer to get validated?
• Was it because you had high quality relationships with friends/family? -Imo quality is more important than quantity in how it affects me-.
• Was it because you were immersed in a new hobbie/your profession/passion and most of your energy/thoughts/time went into that?

I would really appreciate it if you could clarify this.

Thx,
Klimax

 

[Teevster]

Regarding your second point - my own personal case.

Well, I could simply not get laid because even having rotations (all good puas have fuckbuddies, although I used to be one of those who had the fewest, that does NOT mean I didn't have a bunch of numbers I could call up), because I was PROHIBITED to GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.

So in other words, online, rotation or purely ONS make 0 difference.

If one cannot go out, one cannot go out. If girls cannot come and meet me, then it simply will not matter how I meet them. Sex will not happen.

Now that things have opened up (a bit), it is very clear that online is really not working as it should. Online is crap, have always been, will always be. You have not provided a single benefit related to online game in your post. The Corona lockdowns have killed female sex drives, making them totally non-responsive on Tinder etc. I also know this from having talked to multiple women. Their state and their sex drive is BELOW 0. Heck even my state and sex drive took a hit - and if it affected me, it surely affected them EVEN MORE.

Those girls on Tinder are mostly gold-diggers. Yes crisis make women looking for providers. It even push women into heavy sugardating. Probably 30% of the Tinder profiles on my tinder are either escorts or girls explicitly stating that they want to trade goods/money for company - normal girls included. Probably 30% of the others are girls from the other side of the globe (this shit called Tinder Passport). The rest are normal girls. Add to this, the fact that tinder has twice as many dudes as women....


Tinder and online in general is simply not an option. And sugardating is still not game, and will never be.

 

[Skills]

Would it be correct to say that this particular path of becoming really good with women followed from the need to have a women in your life all the time?

more like horniness lol! passion for seduction and fun, no different from most active guys in the community...

How could you not learn, right? Off all the naturals you know, what's the percentage who have a similar profile? Which other types you know?

uhmmm good question, i would say 75%, but more prevalent previous generations than this one.

 

[Skills]

Regarding your second point - my own personal case.

Well, I could simply not get laid because even having rotations (all good puas have fuckbuddies, although I used to be one of those who had the fewest, but that does NOT mean I didn't have a bunch of numbers I could call up), because I was PROHIBITED to GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.

oh thanks for clarifying cause i was extremely disappointed, this is totally out of your control, and that really sucks..

Now that things have opened up, it is very clear that online is really not working as it should. Online is crap, have always been, will alwyas be. You have not provided a single benefit related to online game in your post. The Corona lockdowns have killed female sex drive, making them totally irresponsive on Tinder etc. I also know this from having talked to multiple women. Their state and their sex drive is BELOW 0.

^ I can not comment on this since i have not been online, and about the women sex drive is below 0, it has not been my experience with the girls i have been having sex with... But, it seems that guys sex drives are the ones getting hit hardest....In my testosterone forum even with testosterone they are complaining about libido"

Can I just say/ask something. (Yes It may piss a few of you off.)
There has been a huge uptick in "my libido has been poor for a month or two" posts.
Can we all think of maybe a few gigantic reasons that might be happening...currently? Like..maybe worldwide...?
just wanted to throw that out there.
PS, I'm not applying this to guys who've struggled with libido for a LONG time.
Carry on

a reply...

As a practitioner Of sexual medicine I have learned that “stress” is a very significant cause of low libido and this is independent of androgen levels. We forget that libido is driven by numerous levers and androgen/sex steroids is but one of those. As we ramp up stress (and I mean this in the broadest sense) there is a direct reduction in libido. I have seen this clinically for years in the trenches. Whether it be job related, family related, pandemic related, etc. Just as you can’t “testosterone” yourself out of poor lifestyle/behavior choices—no amount of T will bury stresses impact on libido. Sure—there are some (a minority) in whom it will help, but nothing substitutes for recognizing the bigger picture as Jordan Grant says here. The more men perseverate on this issue with libido, the more they stoke the fires of psychogenic sexual dysfunction. Just recognize that Mother Nature always knows what she is doing. In a pandemic, it is not a good idea to be pregnant or to have a newborn—when in doubt, look to biology to explain things. Evolutionary pressures shed a lot of light on how our bodies react...

Those on Tinder are mostly gold-diggers. Yes crisis' make women looking for providers. It even push women into heavy sugardating. Probably 30% of the Tinder profiles on my tinder are either escorts or girls explicitly stating that they want to trade goofs/money for company - normal girls included. Probably 30% of the others are girls from the other side of the globe (this shit called Tinder Passport). The rest are normal girls. Add to this, the fact that tinder has twice as many dudes as women....


Tinder and online in general is simply not an option. And sugardating is still not game, and will never be.

^ again i have not done online so i can not confirm, but from some posters here and some community guys, they are saying that there is an increase in online activity, i can't confirm since i have not been online in a while....

About the benefits of online/instagram/snapchat


About online game vs the other forms of games:

Online skips the approach anxiety (though i experience a bit of texting anxiety online when i got started) , online by passes the live opening and the cockblocking........

online does not require you to isolate.

online gives you access to specific niche demographic.


anyways part 2 was a secondary point of the post and not the main, but thanks for clarifying a lot of miss assumptions... Also many thing are geographical in nature as well as every country is treating the lockdown and corona different...

 

[Skills]

Hey Skills,
I find your post insightful as I believe that being by oneself and being happy is really essential -thats it if one wants to be independant and thus free!-.

What I am curious about is... (so I can apply myself because rn I am not happy) how did you achieve that? and why at that particular moment?

• Was it because you got validated to death and you didn't need any longer to get validated?
• Was it because you had high quality relationships with friends/family? -Imo quality is more important than quantity in how it affects me-.
• Was it because you were immersed in a new hobbie/your profession/passion and most of your energy/thoughts/time went into that?

I would really appreciate it if you could clarify this.

Thx,
Klimax

klimax, nothing to do with all your speculations..... I just kept trying to have a normal relationship (lived together with about 8 girls) then i would cheat, and i would be like "there is something wrong with me" . my parents and brother are church marriage/couple counselors, they been in mono relationships all their lives....

I would live with a girl, and feel totally trapped, they would give me everything (look the other way with cheating, or have open relatinships while letting me go out to clubs) shit that no other dude community or not is able to get away with. But i still felt trap, cause you still got to give them some time and maintenance, and i felt obligated doing shit i did not want to do as part of "relationship responsabilities"..

So i was trying to at some point get to the point of even most older puas, eventually they quit the game, or get a oltr or whatever....

^ and i even failed to do that, so i just came at peace with myself and told myself, maybe there is nothing wrong with me trying to have the wife and the dog (since i would never offer kids).....maybe there is nothing wrong with me, and is just that living with a women is just not for me.... Trust me i tried every set up then i came to be "at peace" with being a sigma (i went from alpha to sigma)....

In the future i will do a post on the perfect set up for seducers, cause is not most of the stuff that has been written about, though some red pillers out of all people lol, finally got something right...

 

[suspicious5]

Many guys that yell the hardest against online game, or against rotations, or against mono and the one night stand only is were is at.... Or even_________ fill in the blank gurus have not been getting laid during the corona virus...... For example Jeffy rsd confess in a recent video he has not been getting laid.... Many other tribal elders have subcommunicated they are not getting laid....

^ this makes me extremely sad, and the problem with the constant posturing and strict ideologies...

I've never understood the pua community's obsession with getting laid all the time. It seems clear that some tie their self-worth to getting pussy to the point it consumes their life; even when they're already "good".

 

[FunGuy]

I always had a girl or main, then she is gone, a day or week later another and another.... I could not be alone, not even sleep alone i had fuck bodies or main sleeping over every day of the week.....

Most naturals are like that, my friends growing up who were good with women were never single for long. Only the minortiy of guys who are into game seem to prefer being single, being single by choice.

Finally, at 42 years old after my break up, i had right away another girlfriend, and then another and then another in which i went mono for a year.....

Then i realized i can not do this shit i am built different i can not do this mono shit, from now I will never ever promise monogamy to nobody, and broke up with the 1 year mono..... and then....

I hear this a lot from people and it scares me, it makes me not want to be in a relationship. What is it about that 1 year mark that makes you guys suddenly dislike your gfs? Is it the fear of feeling tied down to her, or is it more of a im tired/bored of her that happens?

For the first time in my life went monk mode.... After 42 years the first time in my life with no women, for couple of months i think 1 month, but i came out of that month with an ultra super power i never had.... And that super power was that for the first time in my life i was HAPPY to be alone, and learn to be HAPPY being alone with no women... Before that i always needed women in my life....

Its a good opportunity to to be productive. From my experience though, be careful because it might make you lazy with women. You start to find a lot of joy being productive, it becomes so addicting and rewarding that you forget about women. This is good or bad depending on what you have going on. Do you feel a sense of refreshment and pride while in monk mode, or am I the only outcast?

Part 3.- If you come out of this corona stuff less attractive, i am not talking break even attractiveness i am saying minimum, more attractive (fitter, more game, better style or more game understanding) then you just wasted your time....

I agree 100%, I feel like it gave me so much time to reflect on things and really hammer down what I need to do to keep growing as a person. Hopefully everyone has been able to do the same.

 

[Skills]

I've never understood the pua community's obsession with getting laid all the time. It seems clear that some tie their self-worth to getting pussy to the point it consumes their life; even when they're already "good".

There is not really an obsession with getting laid more with getting good and being able to pick up girl/relationship of choice which is extremely hard to achieve specially now a days.... Also being in a seduction niche forum seems that way but is not really like that, we are mainly very passionate about seduction and social dynamics...

 

[Skills]

Most naturals are like that, my friends growing up who were good with women were never single for long. Only the minortiy of guys who are into game seem to prefer being single, being single by choice.

Yep!

I hear this a lot from people and it scares me, it makes me not want to be in a relationship. What is it about that 1 year mark that makes you guys suddenly dislike your gfs? Is it the fear of feeling tied down to her, or is it more of a im tired/bored of her that happens?

haha is really 3-6 months were the nre fades read about nre here:

NRE

– New Relationship Energy. The temporary, short-lasting, overwhelming feeling of joy one experiences when first dating a new person, usually not lasting longer than several months (though it can be artificially extended out to a year or so if people get married or have a baby together). Often referred to as the “honeymoon period”. NRE is likely the most powerful positive emotion a human being can feel, stronger even than love, but it is extremely temporary. NRE often leads to poor decision-making and oneitis, and is the cause of many divorces, breakups, and drama.

however most of my relationships average 3 years, 10 years, 2 years and just a few a year..... I was refering in the context that i went 100% mono for the first time in my life for a year, so i am a poor writer, it was in that context...

Its a good opportunity to to be productive. From my experience though, be careful because it might make you lazy with women. You start to find a lot of joy being productive, it becomes so addicting and rewarding that you forget about women. This is good or bad depending on what you have going on. Do you feel a sense of refreshment and pride while in monk mode, or am I the only outcast?

^ i have never experience this, i like women too much... other than that month or 2 (can't really remember the time) in which i tried based on revolutionary lifestyle advise in one of his videos and went after a break up monk mode... But yeah women out productivity increases...

 

[Carousel]

I decided to do a major detox - have lost 10 kg and now I am nearly ripped, was at 23% fat because of bulking. So no gym is no excuse to get fat.
Also working normally in remote and decided to spend the initial crisis to finalize several side-projects.

My context is rather different than the OP, I have lived alone most of my adult life and actually find that to be the normal, spending too much time around women or really anybody else than exceptional men is just draining IMO. This is much of the reason I tend to do only game, or even hang out with women in the weekends under normal circumstances - it takes too much time from work and projects. Again this is nothing I "advocate", it is just a personal preference.

Energy levels are normal. I find mental clarity has increased and I have been able to formulate a lot of theorizing (I know a lot of thinkers have taken temporary retreats to hermitage in order to formulate their thoughts). However whether this clarity is due to fat loss, absence of distractions or other things I can't know.

Have no data on female state of mind in my country - I have just been chatting with 2-3 on Facebook. A couple of them have suggested meet-ups (probably 1 of platonic kind and 1 or 2 of possible sexual intent), I have just been totally uninterested. But there is some limited alcohol serving and people gathering at home parties/in parks here.

Plan to hit up the field soon in whatever way possible as the lockdown here is lenient. If anything as an experiment.

 

[Rakkum]

My context is rather different than the OP, I have lived alone most of my adult life and actually find that to be the normal, spending too much time around women or really anybody else than exceptional men is just draining IMO.

Exactly the same here. Do you mind if I ask how has your development trajectory been like? Were you any good before learning game explicitly as a skill?

 

[Carousel]

Were you any good before learning game explicitly as a skill?

No.

 

[Skills]

My context is rather different than the OP, I have lived alone most of my adult life and actually find that to be the normal, spending too much time around women or really anybody else than exceptional men is just draining IMO. This is much of the reason I tend to do only game, or even hang out with women in the weekends under normal circumstances - it takes too much time from work and projects. Again this is nothing I "advocate", it is just a personal preference.
.

^ yes this happens to me as well the "draining", you are a sigma, women totally hate this when in relationship just like a recent dude that lost a girl in the forum due to this.... I was never like this before became like one through the years....

 

[Rakkum]

No

The full stop really does wonders some times, got your point ;D