The summer is here, guys (found VOLUME in my approaching city)

[Chase]

The problem that occurs is, I have a bad daygame session or nightgame session and because I am solo out here in the field on my own, I take out my frustrations on this forum.

I did that a few times when I was new.

You soon realize other people on forums don't have much patience for it, and it's not the right attitude for a forum.

There is a "collective energy" around a forum. People contribute to it if the energy is positive and can-do, focused on practical questions, reports, etc. When people start using forums to vent, nobody likes reading that; it brings the whole mood down, and discourages others from visiting the forum to not feel bad.

I find some of these claims outlandish and unbelievable. Here I am, going 0 for 10 in daygame.

Or being challenged for approaching in the club by the security in nightgame.

Seeing hot girls all night and not being able to even do an approach and take my chance like I should be allowed to do.

It gets all too much.

Having no outlet, no lays, I don't understand how any of this is possible.

In seduction parlance, this is called it being "outside your reality."

You need to try your best not to worry about what higher level guys are doing. If you hear about it, you won't be able to believe it; if you see it, your mind will try to come up with excuses for it ("He must've known that girl already" "He just lucked upon a really horny girl" etc.).

Your focus for now should not be "I need to get laid from cold approach" (presently outside your reality) but rather on achieving smaller breakthrough goals so you are building up positive reference experiences.

See this article:

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Cheers,
Chase

 

[the player of games]

England is a very unfriendly country full of lower class people.

If you approach them, they take it as an insult.

i'm from the uk.
no they don't.

i was going to question whether you truly have Asperger's but after i saw you unloading on experienced members on this forum without due cause, i realised i don't need to.

it's good that you accept that this is an issue. and it's also very cool that the guys have dealt with you gently.

i'm an older guy too. i don't worry so much about approaching underage girls (unintentionally of course). one girl i opened direct responded immediately "i'm 16" to which i said 'ah, ok', smiled and walked off.
another girl hooked immediately. i started chatting and then her friend joined her, clearly a schoolkid of around 14 or 15. at that point i twigged and said "well, nice meeting you, got to go, bye".

If you are out approaching and you approach underaged on a regular enough basis, word is going to go around pretty quickly that you are a pervert of some kind. I know you have a USA perspective, but trust me, England is different.

Let's assume that you manage to avoid underaged girls 100%. Implicit in this statement is that the idea will get around anyway that you approach girls regularly. Trust me, at the of each day girls do not log onto the National Approach Register to fill in how many times they were approached and by whom. No one will likely pay any attention unless you are doing very flamboyant Yad stops one after another. I get that you are in a small town. Eventually, if you approach enough girls, you will start to run into people you've approached before. I've done it several times myself in London, if you are on the same street roughly at the same time.

There is always an excuse. Always a limiting belief or fixed idea. Fear and doubt are not fussy over which clothing they choose to adorn themselves in. They'll pick whatever thought they can find lying around. If you manage to get over this issue, trust me, you'll find another one.

btw Tom Torero himself said he found the USA more difficult than England.

Most English people are lower class stuck up fuckwits.

This is a huge window into you as a person. Your attitude towards the people around you. Do you not think that this attitude will carry over into your approaches? That this may also contribute to your low approach to number rate?

I think you need a new coach as your current one is either being dishonest or is not particularly insightful. Start videoing your interactions. Compare them to Krauser or Tom Torero. The biggest stumbling block here is not smiling nor approaching underage girls inadvertently. It's you. After doing this for years, do you not think that you should step back perhaps and work on presenting a vibe that does not put girls off too much. Girls are highly evolved machines and can spot when something is off, better than us guys can.

As an Asperger's guy, you have huge obstacles to overcome, but you also have huge advantages. Once you get yourself sorted out to a certain extent, you can use your Asperger nature to become an approach machine and to methodically and systematically attack genuine sticking points with obsession. I know because I had a wing who was borderline Asperger's and went on to have incredible success and in short time. it was his obliviousness to social cues which made him so relentless and quick to escalate whereas the rest of us were dealing with the feedback of every subtle nuance of rejection. (he was too blind to see it and ploughed on regardless).

good luck

 

[average_daygamer]

i'm from the uk.
no they don't.

i was going to question whether you truly have Asperger's but after i saw you unloading on experienced members on this forum without due cause, i realised i don't need to.

it's good that you accept that this is an issue. and it's also very cool that the guys have dealt with you gently.

i'm an older guy too. i don't worry so much about approaching underage girls (unintentionally of course). one girl i opened direct responded immediately "i'm 16" to which i said 'ah, ok', smiled and walked off.
another girl hooked immediately. i started chatting and then her friend joined her, clearly a schoolkid of around 14 or 15. at that point i twigged and said "well, nice meeting you, got to go, bye".


Let's assume that you manage to avoid underaged girls 100%. Implicit in this statement is that the idea will get around anyway that you approach girls regularly. Trust me, at the of each day girls do not log onto the National Approach Register to fill in how many times they were approached and by whom. No one will likely pay any attention unless you are doing very flamboyant Yad stops one after another. I get that you are in a small town. Eventually, if you approach enough girls, you will start to run into people you've approached before. I've done it several times myself in London, if you are on the same street roughly at the same time.

There is always an excuse. Always a limiting belief or fixed idea. Fear and doubt are not fussy over which clothing they choose to adorn themselves in. They'll pick whatever thought they can find lying around. If you manage to get over this issue, trust me, you'll find another one.

btw Tom Torero himself said he found the USA more difficult than England.




This is a huge window into you as a person. Your attitude towards the people around you. Do you not think that this attitude will carry over into your approaches? That this may also contribute to your low approach to number rate?

I think you need a new coach as your current one is either being dishonest or is not particularly insightful. Start videoing your interactions. Compare them to Krauser or Tom Torero. The biggest stumbling block here is not smiling nor approaching underage girls inadvertently. It's you. After doing this for years, do you not think that you should step back perhaps and work on presenting a vibe that does not put girls off too much. Girls are highly evolved machines and can spot when something is off, better than us guys can.

As an Asperger's guy, you have huge obstacles to overcome, but you also have huge advantages. Once you get yourself sorted out to a certain extent, you can use your Asperger nature to become an approach machine and to methodically and systematically attack genuine sticking points with obsession. I know because I had a wing who was borderline Asperger's and went on to have incredible success and in short time. it was his obliviousness to social cues which made him so relentless and quick to escalate whereas the rest of us were dealing with the feedback of every subtle nuance of rejection. (he was too blind to see it and ploughed on regardless).

good luck

Thanks for your insight and it's cool that your wing has Asperger's.

But there are two types of Asperger's

He has the socially oblivious one where he doesn't give an F.

I have the introverted Asperger's where I overthink everything.

As for my coach, he is good, but it was only a couple of days training and realistically, I need several weekends worth but I am not in the position to afford it. Also, I have suppressed my toxic judgemental side with him as well.

I honestly cannot believe America being more difficult than England.

Oh your schoolgirl encounter sounds horrendous! I'm sorry you had to go through that, these fashions can be very confusing.

Nightgame is good if you want to approach younger girls (to avoid the age confusion), but that has its own problems (see my recent field report).

Yeah I didn't realise those other members (skills, et al) were going to be so forgiving, I was annoyed and expected to be banned after that and then to my surprise I wasn't.

Edit: this reply is all a jumble, that's why I don't like replying to long posts, but thanks for your insights.

Oh and on the "approach machine" comment, I can't really do that because I second guess before every approach! Age anxiety is a big thing for me.

 

[Atlas IV]

i'm from the uk.
no they don't.

i was going to question whether you truly have Asperger's but after i saw you unloading on experienced members on this forum without due cause, i realised i don't need to.

it's good that you accept that this is an issue. and it's also very cool that the guys have dealt with you gently.

i'm an older guy too. i don't worry so much about approaching underage girls (unintentionally of course). one girl i opened direct responded immediately "i'm 16" to which i said 'ah, ok', smiled and walked off.
another girl hooked immediately. i started chatting and then her friend joined her, clearly a schoolkid of around 14 or 15. at that point i twigged and said "well, nice meeting you, got to go, bye".


Let's assume that you manage to avoid underaged girls 100%. Implicit in this statement is that the idea will get around anyway that you approach girls regularly. Trust me, at the of each day girls do not log onto the National Approach Register to fill in how many times they were approached and by whom. No one will likely pay any attention unless you are doing very flamboyant Yad stops one after another. I get that you are in a small town. Eventually, if you approach enough girls, you will start to run into people you've approached before. I've done it several times myself in London, if you are on the same street roughly at the same time.

There is always an excuse. Always a limiting belief or fixed idea. Fear and doubt are not fussy over which clothing they choose to adorn themselves in. They'll pick whatever thought they can find lying around. If you manage to get over this issue, trust me, you'll find another one.

btw Tom Torero himself said he found the USA more difficult than England.




This is a huge window into you as a person. Your attitude towards the people around you. Do you not think that this attitude will carry over into your approaches? That this may also contribute to your low approach to number rate?

I think you need a new coach as your current one is either being dishonest or is not particularly insightful. Start videoing your interactions. Compare them to Krauser or Tom Torero. The biggest stumbling block here is not smiling nor approaching underage girls inadvertently. It's you. After doing this for years, do you not think that you should step back perhaps and work on presenting a vibe that does not put girls off too much. Girls are highly evolved machines and can spot when something is off, better than us guys can.

As an Asperger's guy, you have huge obstacles to overcome, but you also have huge advantages. Once you get yourself sorted out to a certain extent, you can use your Asperger nature to become an approach machine and to methodically and systematically attack genuine sticking points with obsession. I know because I had a wing who was borderline Asperger's and went on to have incredible success and in short time. it was his obliviousness to social cues which made him so relentless and quick to escalate whereas the rest of us were dealing with the feedback of every subtle nuance of rejection. (he was too blind to see it and ploughed on regardless).

good luck

This is an excellent response. You hit the nail on the head.