Socializing There is one thing I am just realising about the difference between daygame and nightgame

[average_daygamer]

In daygame, you have to chase down girls and even then you can't approach without hesitation because it may not be clear how old the girl is.

In nightgame, inside a venue atleast, you already know that girl is atleast 18 and you are already in proximity of dozens of girls. Also the girls in nightgame are usually 18-28 whereas you don't see an abundance of this demographic during the day and when you do, you often won't approach for aforementioned reasons, at least on the lower end of that age scale.

The reason I don't do more night game is because I hate staying up late and also I will have to sleep in the gym when I do as an Airbnb each time is going to add up. Obviously sleeping in the gym is not a good night's sleep and I also have to stash a kit bag there with comfortable sleeping clothes and a blanket the night before.

However, I do plan on doing more nightgame. I planned a Halloween night but I looked at the club and it is already fully booked out for the cheap tickets, the cheapest tickets now being £30.

Now I don't know about you but spending £30 to have horrible music blasted in my (plugged) ears and sleep deprivation is not very appealing. So I am gonna have to find some regular club nights but the motivation to go out at night is very hard to get, especially in these darker, colder winter nights.

Oh and also I usually work a Saturday shift which tires me out beforehand as we.

 

[Will_V]

In daygame, you have to chase down girls and even then you can't approach without hesitation because it may not be clear how old the girl is.

In nightgame, inside a venue atleast, you already know that girl is atleast 18 and you are already in proximity of dozens of girls. Also the girls in nightgame are usually 18-28 whereas you don't see an abundance of this demographic during the day and when you do, you often won't approach for aforementioned reasons, at least on the lower end of that age scale.

The reason I don't do more night game is because I hate staying up late and also I will have to sleep in the gym when I do as an Airbnb each time is going to add up. Obviously sleeping in the gym is not a good night's sleep and I also have to stash a kit bag there with comfortable sleeping clothes and a blanket the night before.

However, I do plan on doing more nightgame. I planned a Halloween night but I looked at the club and it is already fully booked out for the cheap tickets, the cheapest tickets now being £30.

Now I don't know about you but spending £30 to have horrible music blasted in my (plugged) ears and sleep deprivation is not very appealing. So I am gonna have to find some regular club nights but the motivation to go out at night is very hard to get, especially in these darker, colder winter nights.

Oh and also I usually work a Saturday shift which tires me out beforehand as we.

You keep making threads about your fear of approaching younger girls, please stop doing this. Guys already told you how to deal with it in multiple ways, yet you keep filling up the forum with this topic.

Either take the advice you've been given on board, or keep these anxieties to yourself.

 

[average_daygamer]

You keep making threads about your fear of approaching younger girls, please stop doing this. Guys already told you how to deal with it in multiple ways, yet you keep filling up the forum with this topic.

Either take the advice you've been given on board, or keep these anxieties to yourself.

This thread isn't just about that, the key here is proximity. Nightgame provides a venue where you know the girls are willing participants, whereas daygame is a crapshoot. And inside a venue, you don't have to run down the street after a girl, but in daygame, you do.

So that wasn't the main point of this thread, it was just to point out a flaw in daygame that nightgame doesn't have.

 

[Will_V]

This thread isn't just about that,

Then why keep bringing it up? You've mentioned it in a bunch of your threads as if it's this big issue hanging over your experience of daygame.

Fair enough if you don't want to approach girls who could be too young, but it's not a big deal for most of us, we figure it out sometime during the approach and bid her goodbye. Feeling guilty or weird about it though won't help anyone.

Nightgame provides a venue where you know the girls are willing participants, whereas daygame is a crapshoot.

It is not a crapshoot, unless you're spamming direct openers on random girls without reading signals or doing things contextually.

If you are opening properly in daygame, the result is almost always at least a good, positive short conversation, even when she's not down for anything more. Because it's fun for a girl to be approached by an attractive man who knows how to meet her and make it easy for her to meet him in a smooth socially calibrated way. It's validating, exciting, and fun.

Very few of us start off being able to do this, but that's where we want to be.

And inside a venue, you don't have to run down the street after a girl, but in daygame, you do.

You don't have to always run down the street after her. If you're keeping an eye open you'll usually spot her coming toward you, and you can get her attention first and not startle her.

Sometimes you have no choice but to do a little jog around, but that's not the norm, at least for me.

Anyway, I'm glad to see you're posting reports and taking action. Just make sure that you keep an open mind about obstacles you're facing, and test the advice you get before making assumptions. We try very hard to keep a positive 'can do' attitude in this place, because a lot of guys come in with a poor frame of reference and hopefully some of it will rub off on them.

 

[StrayDog]

In daygame, you have to chase down girls and even then you can't approach without hesitation because it may not be clear how old the girl is.

I rarely, if ever find myself chasing girls down.

I don't know why, but for some reason a lot of guys seem to think that day game means almost exclusively doing street stops. Some of these cats be like pan handling for dates.

Street stops are the exception, not the rule.

work on your presence. Move with presence and self possession. Be attentive and strategic in how you place your self. set yourself up in a position where opening the girl feels natural and spontaneous.

If the angle of approach is off, just let it go. Move on and find a better opportunity.

You are correct that there is a different social frame in day game and night game. But they both have their pros and cons. The fundamental man to women dynamics are the same though. So let's not kid ourselves that one will be easier than the other. It's just that different guys are more suited towards one than the other.

I am equally good at both (depending on the venue/market) and probably not exceptional at either. I generally chose day game because it suits my lifestyle more.

For you, with the way you are approaching, I don't think it matters if you're in the club or in the streets during the day. You are coming with the same direct energy. I believe that this is why you keep getting bad reactions.

Even if you did switch to night game I would recommend you learn more of a kicked back, sniper style. instead of this direct style you have been doing.

I don't think a super direct style is suiting you well

 

[average_daygamer]

Then why keep bringing it up? You've mentioned it in a bunch of your threads as if it's this big issue hanging over your experience of daygame.

Fair enough if you don't want to approach girls who could be too young, but it's not a big deal for most of us, we figure it out sometime during the approach and bid her goodbye. Feeling guilty or weird about it though won't help anyone.



It is not a crapshoot, unless you're spamming direct openers on random girls without reading signals or doing things contextually.

If you are opening properly in daygame, the result is almost always at least a good, positive short conversation, even when she's not down for anything more. Because it's fun for a girl to be approached by an attractive man who knows how to meet her and make it easy for her to meet him in a smooth socially calibrated way. It's validating, exciting, and fun.

Very few of us start off being able to do this, but that's where we want to be.



You don't have to always run down the street after her. If you're keeping an eye open you'll usually spot her coming toward you, and you can get her attention first and not startle her.

Sometimes you have no choice but to do a little jog around, but that's not the norm, at least for me.

Anyway, I'm glad to see you're posting reports and taking action. Just make sure that you keep an open mind about obstacles you're facing, and test the advice you get before making assumptions. We try very hard to keep a positive 'can do' attitude in this place, because a lot of guys come in with a poor frame of reference and hopefully some of it will rub off on them.

I'm really curious as to how you chose to approach girls. I would be grateful if you or somebody else on this forum could buy a cheap pair of camera glasses and walk down your local street describing every female you see and your observations and whether or not you would approach them.

Because that is the hardest part of daygame. Accountability. For instance "Do I have a genuine reason not to do the approach or am I making excuses?".

Thanks for acknowledging my action taking. It can feel like a hopeless grind at times!

 

[Will_V]

I'm really curious as to how you chose to approach girls. I would be grateful if you or somebody else on this forum could buy a cheap pair of camera glasses and walk down your local street describing every female you see and your observations and whether or not you would approach them.

Because that is the hardest part of daygame. Accountability. For instance "Do I have a genuine reason not to do the approach or am I making excuses?".

First thing is, you need to have a willingness to go. As soon as you make the decision to go, your body has to be able to act without inhibition. And you need to be able to act without an excess of energy, without being all wound up and intense.

To get to this place, you need to warm up. The first couple of approaches I do I am only interested in doing the steps, staying chill, and enjoying myself throughout. I'll typically spend a bit longer looking for easier opportunities at this point, I might even allow myself to miss one to let the adrenaline wash through my system if I feel really unprepared for whatever reason. But the idea is to get an approach in without pressuring myself at all about the result.

During the first approach I typically only focus on one thing - removing inhibition. If something comes to mind and it isn't obviously a bad idea to say it, say it. I am more smiley, more high energy, I'll make a bunch of observations and cold reads even if it's a bit random. If her smile is great, say it. If her ponytail is cute, say it. If she's all dressed up, say it. If she's dressed down, say it. If she looks nervous, say it. If she looks confused, say it. Anything at all. My goal here is to simply loosen up my self expression and become comfortable playing my part, to build my vibe.

After that I start to relax internally and become more focused, my nonverbals are a lot stronger, and I start to think more about getting results.

Until I'm warmed up, it's hard for me to just go. But after I'm warmed up, after I have loosened myself up and busted through my inhibition, approaching is just a pull that I follow. It's not about rationalizing the approach or having excuses or not, it's about feeling that tug in her direction and releasing myself to its influence. It's almost entirely an instinctive impulse - as are a lot of the things that I say, the touches I give her during conversation, etc.

When I approach I am not in a highly conscious or thinking state, I'm in an instinctive state, similar to how I am during sex, but without overt sexuality. The way I speak, the way I look at her, the way I touch her, is gentle but impulsive and uninhibited. In this state I don't need a rationalization for anything, I don't need a reason, as long as the impulse is there.

 

[average_daygamer]

First thing is, you need to have a willingness to go. As soon as you make the decision to go, your body has to be able to act without inhibition. And you need to be able to act without an excess of energy, without being all wound up and intense.

To get to this place, you need to warm up. The first couple of approaches I do I am only interested in doing the steps, staying chill, and enjoying myself throughout. I'll typically spend a bit longer looking for easier opportunities at this point, I might even allow myself to miss one to let the adrenaline wash through my system if I feel really unprepared for whatever reason. But the idea is to get an approach in without pressuring myself at all about the result.

During the first approach I typically only focus on one thing - removing inhibition. If something comes to mind and it isn't obviously a bad idea to say it, say it. I am more smiley, more high energy, I'll make a bunch of observations and cold reads even if it's a bit random. If her smile is great, say it. If her ponytail is cute, say it. If she's all dressed up, say it. If she's dressed down, say it. If she looks nervous, say it. If she looks confused, say it. Anything at all. My goal here is to simply loosen up my self expression and become comfortable playing my part, to build my vibe.

After that I start to relax internally and become more focused, my nonverbals are a lot stronger, and I start to think more about getting results.

Until I'm warmed up, it's hard for me to just go. But after I'm warmed up, after I have loosened myself up and busted through my inhibition, approaching is just a pull that I follow. It's not about rationalizing the approach or having excuses or not, it's about feeling that tug in her direction and releasing myself to its influence. It's almost entirely an instinctive impulse - as are a lot of the things that I say, the touches I give her during conversation, etc.

When I approach I am not in a highly conscious or thinking state, I'm in an instinctive state, similar to how I am during sex, but without overt sexuality. The way I speak, the way I look at her, the way I touch her, is gentle but impulsive and uninhibited. In this state I don't need a rationalization for anything, I don't need a reason, as long as the impulse is there.

That's interesting, but it's not what I mean.

I mean, what are you going for? What looks attractive? How do you chose the girl you approach in the first place? Have a look at this Manchester nightlife video and tell me which ones you would approach and why

There are a lot of girls in that video, who, despite being conventionally attractive, I would not approach, due to the way they are dressed, their annoying behaviour, chavy accent and various other small things that would put me off.

 

[Will_V]

That's interesting, but it's not what I mean.

I mean, what are you going for? What looks attractive? How do you chose the girl you approach in the first place? Have a look at this Manchester nightlife video and tell me which ones you would approach and why

There are a lot of girls in that video, who, despite being conventionally attractive, I would not approach, due to the way they are dressed, their annoying behaviour, chavy accent and various other small things that would put me off.

Oh ok, sounded to me like you were looking for a rationalization to approach a girl you liked.

I didn't have time to watch the whole video there, but I'll say that I typically don't approach groups of half drunk party girls on the street. I'm not a high energy guy - that's one reason I do daygame - and girls like this are often all wound up about some bs going on in their evening, complaining, crying, yelling, carrying on. It's not the sort of interaction I'm looking for. If it's not the end of the night, they're usually moving between venues, and suffering a state crash after exiting the previous club.

I usually go out in the late afternoon/early evening, looking for girls with relaxed, open body language, they'll typically be going to and from work or some relaxed social gathering, or just going for a walk. They're ready to relax, socialize, and wind down from work.

If you look at the natural lifestyles infields that's probably the closest I know of to the way I do things.

 

[average_daygamer]

Oh ok, sounded to me like you were looking for a rationalization to approach a girl you liked.

I didn't have time to watch the whole video there, but I'll say that I typically don't approach groups of half drunk party girls on the street. I'm not a high energy guy - that's one reason I do daygame - and girls like this are often all wound up about some bs going on in their evening, complaining, crying, yelling, carrying on. It's not the sort of interaction I'm looking for. If it's not the end of the night, they're usually moving between venues, and suffering a state crash after exiting the previous club.

I usually go out in the late afternoon/early evening, looking for girls with relaxed, open body language, they'll typically be going to and from work or some relaxed social gathering, or just going for a walk. They're ready to relax, socialize, and wind down from work.

If you look at the natural lifestyles infields that's probably the closest I know of to the way I do things.

Yes, now we are on the same page.

You've just described my problem entirely. Like if a group of those types of girls walk past, I dot want to approach them, even though they pass the "sex test" i.e., would you hypothetically have sex with them.

It's the same during the day. I am making prejudgement assessments on why I would or wouldn't approsch-often subconsciously.

So I wonder what other guys consider viable sets or non viable sets. A lot of the girls in that video I would consider non viable sets for the same reasons you mentioned.

But ironically, they are the type who look most sexual, but when I approach them, they don't want it, generally speaking. Whilst the more shy type of girl I may find more in common with, but less attracted to, on a primal level.

 

[Will_V]

Yes, now we are on the same page.

You've just described my problem entirely. Like if a group of those types of girls walk past, I dot want to approach them, even though they pass the "sex test" i.e., would you hypothetically have sex with them.

It's the same during the day. I am making prejudgement assessments on why I would or wouldn't approsch-often subconsciously.

So I wonder what other guys consider viable sets or non viable sets. A lot of the girls in that video I would consider non viable sets for the same reasons you mentioned.

But ironically, they are the type who look most sexual, but when I approach them, they don't want it, generally speaking. Whilst the more shy type of girl I may find more in common with, but less attracted to, on a primal level.

That's the thing about girls who are dressed up all sexy to go to the club: they know they are calling the attention of men, they know that all the dudes at the club want to take them home, and they spend several hours there with a lot of thirsty dudes staring at them from afar or making awkward approaches. This means their shields are up and their filters are on maximum. It makes nightgame (imo) a very competitive place.

Now imagine a girl like this, after dancing around and showing herself off to the club, leaves the club to go to another one. Now it's not even dudes who are vetted by the club who are ogling her sexy outfit and body, but all sorts of randos and weirdos wandering the streets. Now her shield is really up, and she'll cling tightly to the group.

So yes, she's dressed to call attention, but think about the attention she dressed up for. She dressed up to be seen by coolest, sexiest guys at the club, that's who she's angling for. So if you aren't that, if you aren't clearly a super competitive option in that scene, you are somewhat at a disadvantage. And even more so because with all the attention she's getting, she can afford to quickly disqualify guys over minor things that she'd otherwise overlook.

Whereas in daygame, you create your own context. Because she's not in the mode of showing herself and being approached, her shield is low, her filters are low, and you often have a lot more room to build a unique impression in her mind.

That's the way I look at it. Of course nightgame is a perfectly viable option, as much as daygame is, but you have to figure out what environment matches your strengths the most.

 

[StrayDog]

Oh ok, sounded to me like you were looking for a rationalization to approach a girl you liked.

I didn't have time to watch the whole video there, but I'll say that I typically don't approach groups of half drunk party girls on the street. I'm not a high energy guy - that's one reason I do daygame - and girls like this are often all wound up about some bs going on in their evening, complaining, crying, yelling, carrying on. It's not the sort of interaction I'm looking for. If it's not the end of the night, they're usually moving between venues, and suffering a state crash after exiting the previous club.

I usually go out in the late afternoon/early evening, looking for girls with relaxed, open body language, they'll typically be going to and from work or some relaxed social gathering, or just going for a walk. They're ready to relax, socialize, and wind down from work.

If you look at the natural lifestyles infields that's probably the closest I know of to the way I do things.

this is what I'm talking about @average_daygamer

you need to rework how you think about approaching the field.

this includes what kind of sets you approach, and how you approach them.

Even if you are at a busy nightlife venue it's a different approach than the high energy, social butterfly thing.

You walk into the venue self possessed, at easy, not scanning the room, just being present taking in the moment.

You use your peripheral vision to take note of the dynamics going on, who turns their head to notice you, what kind of group dynamics are at play.

you might open someone who is convenient to do so, but only because they are in your path to your destination. You don't b line it towards them, instead you mosse kind of past them and pause, they just "happen to catch your eye" (quotes meaning that you had noticed them before hand but it appears like you just notice them). you open with something chill and casual. You don't need this interaction to go anywhere big you are just present. Your body language isn't turned towards them, this way if they don't hook you just retract your attention and move on.

(also note, you do not HAVE to open someone right away, I'm just saying that you might of it makes sense)

You don't keep opening people one after the other unless for some reason it feels natural.
Instead you make your way to the bar or wherever you can post up in a chill self possessed manner

not scanning the room like a poon hound, not needing anything. taking in the moment.

Maybe there is an opening near a girl at the bar. You casually go to the spot. you do not open her right away, instead you take a small pause as though you are looking at the menu or what not. casual natural, then "you just happen to notice her" you open with something casual and simple.

Now say you have a nice chat but she is not hooking. Since your body language isn't overly invested you can just retract your attention. Right there where you stand. You don't even have to walk away or anything. You are so self possessed that it's like nothing ever happened.

Any way, the main mission is to find a chill spot (often it is at the bar, but you are turned outward facing the venue) where you can just sit self possessed like. taking in the environment.

You want this spot to be a place where you are still a part of the action, but you don't stick out like a sore thumb.

You don't want to be the guy that looks like he is a wallflower. and you also don't want to be the guy who looks like he is desperately alone.

You're just chilling. occasionally, and selectively opening people as they pass by. But not in a way where you have to go out of your way to get their attention.

You begin to appear to on lookers like a guy who is naturally chill, and effortless.

You will notice that women start to either put themselves within your vicinity, or start looking your direction across the bar and such.

You might catch one looking and make eye contact with her.

If the circumstances are right and she is easily approached you might take a pause then get up and slowly make your way in her direction. You don't B line it towards her. you do the same self possessed mosse. She won't be sure if you are approaching or not until you get closer then you make it clear you are approaching her.

If at any point in the night you wish to get up from your perch, you move around the space in this manner. (If you have a good perch, I would recommend only moving through the space so much through out the night. wandering around too much makes you appear lost socially, like you don't have a place to be. notice how people in groups usually hang out in one spot during the night. It's cause they are in good company. So are you, it's just company of one. Self possessed)

You only open people who fit your vibe. If your state is high maybe you will approach larger groups or what not, but in general you are not going to go out of your way to socialize. You don't need that. you are self possessed.

If you are not hooking, and you have have talked with a number of people. Know when to make yourself scarce. You don't want to appear as someone who is attempting to be the social butterfly but cannot make it happen.

This is essentially the night game version of what @Will_V is talking about. Just different caveats for the venues and social frames.

When you opporate this way, you more naturally stumble into interactions that makes sense, without having to force anything.

Occasionally you might go out of your way a bit more if there is some girl or opportunity that you just can't pass up. But for the most part you just keep it even keel.

When you start thinking this way you start to notice different types of approach opportunities, and your radar isn't exclusively tuned to "that girl is hot". This takes the pressure off of feeling. like you have to approach whenever you see an attractive women. There are other factors at play that signify a worthy approach.

 

[StrayDog]

But ironically, they are the type who look most sexual, but when I approach them, they don't want it, generally speaking. Whilst the more shy type of girl I may find more in common with, but less attracted to, on a primal level.

proper day game, or even well plaid night game you can still land girls who aren't exactly the most shy type.

in day game you are just catching them while they are not in party mode, and in night game you just screen for the ones who are more receptive as opposed to approaching just cause they are hot.

I do think though that the constraints you have put on yourself on who and how you approach, have put you in a position where you are not congruent.

 

[average_daygamer]

proper day game, or even well plaid night game you can still land girls who aren't exactly the most shy type.

in day game you are just catching them while they are not in party mode, and in night game you just screen for the ones who are more receptive as opposed to approaching just cause they are hot.

I do think though that the constraints you have put on yourself on who and how you approach, have put you in a position where you are not congruent.

Well, the "party girl" type, I rarely see during the day. On the odd occasion that I do, I often hesitate, because they tend to be younger and difficult to distinguish from the older looking 15 year olds that tend to dress up like they are on a night out. Which is one of the reasons I like night game, they are already age verified, but even then there are sets where I hesitate.

I very rarely see hot 18-27 year olds out during the daytime. Compared to the night time where it is teeming with them, but they are making an awful lot of noise and rowdy behaviour which as an introvert, I find most odd putting.

I don't place restrictions on who and how to approach, in fact, I often think things are opportunities where other people would say "chill out" if they were out winging with me.

Which is why I like the idea of an experienced player from this sub going for a walk around town and describing every female they see and saying if they would approach them or not based on their observations.

Even better, I would like to meet a couple of the experienced members in person because I have no idea what they are doing out in the field.

I have had coaching earlier this year and I have more coaching planned for later with a different coach. But this is spread out across many different people who don't know one another and therefore there is no consistent frame of reference.

 

[Will_V]

I very rarely see hot 18-27 year olds out during the daytime. Compared to the night time where it is teeming with them, but they are making an awful lot of noise and rowdy behaviour which as an introvert, I find most odd putting.

I see them all the time, going to and from work, etc.

I don't place restrictions on who and how to approach, in fact, I often think things are opportunities where other people would say "chill out" if they were out winging with me.

I'm not sure what you mean by this - what is an approach situation where someone else would tell you to 'chill out' for wanting to go for it?

I think the issue you're having is not in choosing what girls to approach, but how to approach them in a contextual, congruent way.

 

[StrayDog]

I'm not sure what you mean by this - what is an approach situation where someone else would tell you to 'chill out' for wanting to go for it?

I think the issue you're having is not in choosing what girls to approach, but how to approach them in a contextual, congruent way.

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[average_daygamer]

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What I mean is if a girl is on the phone, in the middle of a conversation with her friend, eating, etc. Hell one of you guys even said you wouldn't normally stop a girl who was walking whereas that is classic daygame!

There are hundreds of awkward situations now where I just walk on by these days, whereas a few years ago I would have pushed myself to do them.

For instance, just coming through an alleyway through the park today I saw a girl, not long enough to even tell if I found her attractive or not, we both glanced at one another and I thought about running back into the park to approach her but what put me off was that other than us two it was almost completely empty apart from one person walking a dog in the distance.

I decided it would be too creepy to approach, but I am always considering these as potential opportunities, whereas you guys would probably tell me to not be so hard on myself.

 

[StrayDog]

classic daygame

that's what I am saying. I don't know where the community got it in there head that this is the standard definition of day game.

There are instances where it makes sense, but really you are more often than not setting yourself up for rejection.


You are making high effort approaches where you have to be more direct.

You are basically pan handling for dates.

as opposed to creating a more natural context as to why you two might be talking.

For instance, just coming through an alleyway through the park today I saw a girl, not long enough to even tell if I found her attractive or not, we both glanced at one another and I thought about running back into the park to approach her but what put me off was that other than us two it was almost completely empty apart from one person walking a dog in the distance

If I am passing a women and we make good eye contact, I aim to just open her then and there, as opposed to chasing her down. 99% of the time if I let her pass me by I consider the opportunity to have passed.

In terms of the park being empty and such, your intuition that it might come off creepy has merit, but it really comes down to how you approach, when, and what signals you are giving off.

Running after her would most likely have been a bit much. And even if some guys can pull something like that off, doesn't mean you can/have to. Most likely would feel incongruent or even desperate coming from many guys (definitely not my style).

You definitely never want a women to feel as though you are going to put her in an unsafe position.

I decided it would be too creepy to approach, but I am always considering these as potential opportunities, whereas you guys would probably tell me to not be so hard on myself.

again your intuition was probably right here as you kind of missed the opportunity when she made eye contact.

nothing wrong with letting an interaction slide.


Once I stopped feeling like I had to make every approach happen I

A: started feeling way more chill/positive about sarging.

B: started focusing on interactions that were way more likely to land, and therefore getting better receptions.

Sure it can be helpful to see where the limits are, and attempt approaching in some instances where it's not perfectly lined up.

But 9 out of ten times when your guy is telling you there is something off, it is an accurate intuition.

It's okay to let those approaches slide.

 

[StrayDog]

Look dude, I think you might be on the verge of a small breakthrough. Especially with all the hours you put in.

But you really got to re work how you see the field. Start aiming for a style that feels more natural to you, and work the field from that perspective. You intuition isn't exactly off, you just seem to be imposing an idea of what you think you "aught to be doing"

for example "street stops are classic day game"

maybe, but if that's the case and street stops aren't your style, fuck classic day game (there's always been more to day game than street stops, but you get me).

Do what works for you. not what you feel you aught to be doing.

And if you haven't quite landed on what works for you, switch things up. Follow a different established model for a little while and see if that fits.

But above all, trust your instincts. You know when something isn't right. Listen to it.

 

[AspiringStoic]

If you want to approach girls like in the Manchester video you gotta have this guy's kind of Game and energy. It can be done but its way tougher and requires a lot more balls and high energy to pull off. He is killing it in this video: