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Chase

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Ah, all right. I think I see it now.

Which is why I used the analogy of a Ferrari stuck on neutral.

I am stuck and trying to unstuck myself.

In a previous comment, you said that you wanted to preempt replies aimed at beginners.

You are a beginner (you said your laycount is 0), and I encourage you to look at yourself as one.

Due to all the material you've consumed -- and I'm sure you probably do have near-encyclopedic knowledge of game at this point -- you feel like book-learning-wise you should be fairly advanced with girls already.

You're going up to the point where you're not really putting your ego on the line: you can approach, flirt, get some rejections, but no big deal, that's part of the game, you've fully internalized that part from all your copious reading... proceeding beyond that though I bet is crossing the threshold into "now it gets real." Suddenly you will be deeper into an interaction with a real woman. The guide wires aren't as strong there, things start branching off into new and unexpected directions, and you need to rely increasingly on experiential learning, not just book learning, but you lack that experience.

It sounds like you're turning off right at the point where you'd need to make the leap into fumbling your way through a lot more experiential learning where the studying you've done loses some of its usefulness. Part of that could be the fear of really putting yourself out there... but another part of it is almost certainly this identity you've constructed for yourself in your head of "I am not a beginner."

All your studies probably will help you progress faster once you are actually applying yourself fully.

Until then it's purely theoretical knowledge though.

Many highly skilled seducers have near encyclopedic knowledge of game. I know all kinds of obscure things from all sorts of obscure seducers... so does @Teevster. Many guys do. But this is learned concomitant with going out, and stuff being studied is tested and applied, to take it out of the theoretical and into the experiential.

This identity you have of "I am not really a beginner" is blocking you from entering into situations where (I suspect you know) you are going to start fumbling, badly sometimes, and making goofy beginner mistakes.

Doing all those things that make you feel more like a jalopy than a Ferrari, in other words.

See this article:


Book-learning-wise, you may well have tons of game knowledge filed away and ready to deploy in the right situations.

Experience-wise, you are right at the start line, and are going to need to spend a while stumbling through the experiential part of things, getting frustrated at yourself for making silly mistakes, beating yourself up a bit wondering how you could've done that, thinking you should have known better -- didn't you read about that a hundred times? And you still did it anyway? Gah!

Here's a thing to chew on: you've got the ambition and dedication to plunge into all the study you have. You may be a Ferrari one day.

But you're not a Ferrari yet. Right now you're just a clunky old Honda Civic with some racing decals on the side.

If you want to actually upgrade yourself to being the Ferrari, there's only one way:

Push past this barrier you're running into with girls, suffer through the beginner slump where you make a bunch of dumb mistakes deeper into the interaction and lose girls you should've gotten a hundred different ways, until the game starts slowing down and your experience begins catching up with your book learning.

Chase
 

Mr Mistah

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If youve read upto this far thank you for your patience.

I'm trying my best to communicate my position without sounding argumentative, delusional or stubborn but I cant seem to get through.

I am fighting the "beginner" label not out of ego but to show you that putting me in the same ranks as someone with 0 experience with women doesnt really help me.

For example it seems like most "Bro stfu you are a newbie. Listen" comments here seem to have hyperfixated on the fact that i said i read a lot about game and completely glossed over the other anecdotes that I have shared here about my foundational experiences with girls.

I think this has alot to do with the fact that this space valorizes lays over all else and quite understandably so.
The proof is in the pussy as hector says but...

BUT

If Im playing a game and finish 95% of the game but get stuck when its time to fight the final boss does that make me a newbie?

If I tell you I need help killing the final boss but you insist on lecturing me on basic moves like I just started playing the game yesterday it is only natural that i get frustrated because you dont quite understand what it is that I am asking you to help me with.

I will relay it clearly for you again...

Approach women- Been there done that.
Hook - Been there done that
Flirt/Banter- Been there done that
Sex talk- Been there failed a couple of times but still done that regarddless
Escalate physically- Been there done that TO A POINT.
Lay- NO Not yet

I HAVE put in the necessay reps upto the point I get stuck.

Another thing that keeps getting misundersttod is that I dont fancy myself a big dog otherwise I wouldnt be here asking for assistance in the first place.

If I had it all figured out then why tf would I be here typing entire theses to a bunch of internet strangers. THINK.


...

Anyway rant aside I think I got a response worth implementing from @Will_V

Push past the resistance.

Thank you to everyone else for contributing too. I enjoy reading alternative perspectives all the same.

Dont want this thread to get too convoluted and unecessarily protracted so we might as well end it here. Ciao.
 

Alpha13SC

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If Im playing a game and finish 95% of the game but get stuck when its time to fight the final boss does that make me a newbie?

There are so many things you don t know that you don't know that such a statement is out of proportions.

Gonna be straight to the point: you overestimate your experience. Maybe in comparison with your friends you are experienced, but you literally came to a place where some guys fuck girls like it's a side job and then you confront them. Doesn't it sound ironic to you?

Another aspect is that you came with a "problem" but in almost all of your replies you defend yourself as not being a newbie. Is that more important than getting your solution?

Maybe interact with women who you are actually attracted to and want to get sexually with. Not just "yes, they're pretty".

The good thing is that you seem to have potential. Bad thing is your ego. Doesn't accept views if they're different than yours.

Risk more.

Alpha13SC
 

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Well, sorry if I embarassed you or anything. It's kinda easy to be snappy/a jerk on the internet, combined with the fact that i'm also a PITA in real life. I'm sure you're a cool guy. Not sure I have much to say to you directly beyond that.

Now the side thought.This entire thing made my mind reel.

You know, I think being a beginner is a wonderful thing. In almost anything we do, there's never so much dramatic change and improvement as there is at the start. In advanced development, there are intricate, smaller details that take considerable time and effort to evolve, and we appreciate that-- but they're minute and hard won.

Me, personally, that dramatic positive change and improvement is what i'm always after. I'm excited to be a beginner, and always want to be, and miss it when I'm not.

As far as being 'intermediate' or 'advanced', that's all phooey. That seems like worrying too much about what other people think of you. Anybody who cares too much about rank, structure or hierarchy... well it's almost always a sign of a masculinity that needs to evolve. Great men werent born to be a cog, or for comparison, i may not know much bout women but i do know that.


Have a nice day everyone.
 

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Escalate physically- Been there done that TO A POINT.
Lay- NO Not yet
I'll ask again. Do you do nofap or semen retention?

I ask because I've had a few times where sex with a sexy woman was in the bag, and all I had to do was simply follow through, and yet for some reason I wasn't motivated to do it.

And during those few times I was watching a lot of porn and ejaculating often. It can make you very apathetic towards real sex.

When I am practicing nofap and semen retention, I am an animal with a healthy appetite to feast.
 

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I'll ask again. Do you do nofap or semen retention?

I ask because I've had a few times where sex with a sexy woman was in the bag, and all I had to do was simply follow through, and yet for some reason I wasn't motivated to do it.

And during those few times I was watching a lot of porn and ejaculating often. It can make you very apathetic towards real sex.

When I am practicing nofap and semen retention, I am an animal with a healthy appetite to feast.
it is a possibility that since he is a virgin, and his game may be like said looking advance/smooth (according to him)

he may be having sexual anxiety of over promising (she imagine this amazing dude on the bed) specially if he is using sex talk such as the 8 orgasms...

and he is having anxiety of underdelivering....


I don't know about no fap, since i never done it so i would be kj... But i do know that if your sexual horniness is not there it will cause of you to not have the killer instinct.... So yeah horniness an animalistic sexual wanna fuck desire important...
 

Mr Mistah

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There are so many things you don t know that you don't know that such a statement is out of proportions.

Gonna be straight to the point: you overestimate your experience. Maybe in comparison with your friends you are experienced, but you literally came to a place where some guys fuck girls like it's a side job and then you confront them. Doesn't it sound ironic to you?

Another aspect is that you came with a "problem" but in almost all of your replies you defend yourself as not being a newbie. Is that more important than getting your solution?
Okay @Alpha13SC

In the spirit of being open minded please tell me what exactly it is that I dont know.

Here are some diagnoses I have gotten on my "problem" -as you put it- from other commenters.

1. I have fear of rejection.
2. I am more interested in validation than results (Thrill of the chase).
3. I have unrealistically high standards for women.
4. I go for girls I'm not really attracted to.
5. I am a wanker.

So which is it according to you and what specific thing dont I know.
I'm genuinely curious to hear your response on this.
I'll ask again. Do you do nofap or semen retention?
Sorry about that @J Wick Didnt mean to pass you over.

As to your question... I am not a wanker.

Rather I dont do it all that often like coomers do. Maybe when I'm overwhelmed by the horny and it interupts me when I'm trying to focus on a project.

Dont watch porn either except for research purposes.

That's a very clown statement to make I know but I'm being deadass haha.

Last time I watched is when I saw these an entire movement on Tik Tok where chicks were geeking over some pornstar called Owen Gray.
Wanted to see what all the hype was about but have never watched ever since.

As for my libido its quite average. Used to think it was high until I met some of my other friends who literally think about chasing tail 24/7.

I find that sometimes being horny actually ruins my seductions because I can barely focus on whatever the chick is saying and I find myself acting out of character since my style is more chill/laid back.

When Im horny I become too intense like a starrving alley cat who cant control himself and that impairs my calibration/judgement.
Hope that answers your question.
 

Alpha13SC

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Okay @Alpha13SC

In the spirit of being open minded please tell me what exactly it is that I dont know.

To satisfy you, I will have you know that the latest rejection I had was yesterday but one where I chatted up a chick that works at a nearby store, built rapport got her laughing, made R rated jokes but when I tried to get into sex talk she rebuffed me

If you had enough experience, you would have known that this is resistance and could have actually be prevented easily or just to be overcome. Not rejection.
Other things, hmm, let's see: handling objections/LMR/girls archetypes/emotions management/relationship skills/frame grabbing and so on.

Because let me tell you one thing: when you'll face a situation for the 1st time, even if you read about it, chances are you'll forget about everything because you didn't actually internalized the knowledge. That you ll do it with your "aha" moments.

Here are some diagnoses I have gotten on my "problem" -as you put it- from other commenters.

1. I have fear of rejection.
2. I am more interested in validation than results (Thrill of the chase).
3. I have unrealistically high standards for women.
4. I go for girls I'm not really attracted to.
5. I am a wanker.

Here you're trying to mock people who are trying to help you. How social savvy are you actually?

Sorry about that @J Wick Didnt mean to pass you over.

As to your question... I am not a wanker.

Killing your desire because of too much masturbation/porn is a real thing. JW was trying to find something about you, not as an attack.
 

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If Im playing a game and finish 95% of the game but get stuck when its time to fight the final boss does that make me a newbie?

This notion is part of the problem.

How can you say you’re 95% done if you haven’t isolated, managed logistics, comforted a girl once alone, escalated physically, removed her clothes, dealt with last minute resistance, dealt with anti-slut defense, fucked a girl, converted her into a regular, had a girlfriend, dealt with drama, managed a relationship, flirted while in a relationship?

You’re 40% there at best.

I believe from what you write that you can open and hook proficiently.
But there’s still a long way before you fuck her.

Perhaps it is indeed your high opinion of yourself that is preventing you from advancing.
 

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I said this already, but to everybody still trying to help OP .... don't bother

He is suffering from a cognitive bias called the....

Dunning-Kruger effect
In psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.


Give him a few more months and his tune will naturally change. Because he is not ready emotionally or psychologically for change yet
 

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I feel like a Ferrari stuck on neutral.

Something isn’t quite right and I don’t know how to escape this strange purgatory of mine.

Let me explain.

I discovered this site in 2018 when I was in 1st year of campus.

I studied EVERYTHING on here and then went on to study almost EVERYBODY else as far as game is concerned OBSESSIVELY.

Note the emphasis.

I want to make the point that while I am stuck seduction wise, I am basically a walking repository of game.

I have studied it all. New age and old school seducers alike.

GC, Heartiste, Roosh, Rollo, La Ruina, RSD, D Angelo, Tom Torero, Bristollair, Ross Jeffries, Mystery, Strauss, Nick Sparks, Swing Cat, Mark Manson, Pwf, coach kyle, Tay social etc
Also add a shit ton of academic sexuality and evo psych books by guys like Geoffrey Miller, Simon Sheppard, Michael Bader, Karl Stifler etc on top of that list.

Even read books by women like Nancy Friday, Esther Vilar and Karen Brody.

I have reread the same texts over and over again and then gone out to observe myself and other peoples interactions until the concepts became deeply embedded in my brain like surgery.

I also sometimes hang around the forum reading other peoples problems and diagnosing them in my head before reading other responses.

95% of the time my responses usually match the ones given by more advanced seducers.

No KJ shit but I honestly believe I have all this seduction stuff figured out.

I may not have much real world experience to back up this claim but I genuinely feel like I understand it all.

And that’s my dilemma.

Nobody will take me seriously when I say this including myself.

So one side of me feels like a guru but a smaller voice keeps whispering that if I don’t have experience then its all talk.

These two voices is why I say that I feel like a Ferrari stuck on neutral.

It doesn’t help that I’ve also had somewhat moderate success as far as games goes.

I have had (and still do) girls pinning for me even though I didn’t reciprocate for some reason.

I have also been a proactive party where I hit on girls and make them quiver just by fucking around with the energy and building sexual tension. I’m kind of a troll so when I do this Im not particularly interested in getting laid.

I just enjoy seeing girls squirming in my presence lol.

So while I may be stuck seduction wise I am 100% not afraid of tension as a beginner would. I have talked to dominant extroverted independent type chicks and watched them go all feminine when I turn up the intensity.

In 11th grade I had a rich HB 7 girl literally beg me to go out with her on a date. When I told her candidly that I was broke she literally forced a wad of cash in my palm and begged me take her.

(Guess what this genius did? I didn’t take her :/)

Ive also gotten into an altercation in a club when an angry bf confronted me when he noticed I had been secretly feeling up his girl in the dark while he was talking to her.

Girl in question had a horny zoned out look on her face so she just let me do it to her without fighting me or anything. I think she was ovulatiog.

In the same neighbourhood a 30ish looking lady saw me sitting on a bench trying to fix my bag which had a bad zip. She opened by shouting a distance away asking me what Im doing then came closer and made empty conversation, complemented my hair, turned around and asked me what I think about her mini skirt then asked if we could go to my place to “smoke weed” (she clearly wanted to fuck).

This whole interaction I must admit threw me off. Never had such a direct interaction before. It wasn’t until I became concious of her skimpy outfit and slurred speech that I understood she had just come from inside a nearby bar and was drunk and horny. it was around 6.30pm

I politely declined bc she wasn’t exactly a looker then she asked me if Im gay or something haha.

In 8th grade I had a girl accompany her friend to tell me that girl 2 liked me then dared me to make out with her in front of the class. The whole class roared for me to do it but I didn’t.

I could go on and on and on but the point im making is that female interest has always been there for me even when I didn’t know jack about game but for some weird reason I just cant seem to pull the fucking trigger.

My social skills are decent, girls show interest now and again, I am tall (6’2) and carry myself well.

A girl once told me that I’m “like a spy” (James Bond vibes I’m assuming)

Other girl told me that Im “cool” as in I have a very relaxed vibe.

Other girl opened up to me about her BDSM fantasies within 15-20 minutes of meeting her. I was kind of a novice on the topic so she ended up teaching me about things i didn’t even know were a thing eg a St Peters wheel or sth like that. Funny thing is that the week before I had just studied Alex’s piece on sex talk.

I dont have MWC and also adopted sexually liberal attitudes.e.g shedded off latent homophobia that I had.
Unlike most guys I now genuinely dont harbour any revulsion against gay dudes or promiscouis chicks.

Beyond that my friends also come to me for advice on game because I simply never miss. I guess you could call me an armchair specialist on women/game/p*ssy.

Basically what Im trying to say is that I have all the marks of someone who would be at least mid Intermediate at game and yet I don’t have shit to show for it. No makeouts 0 lay count but a shit ton of opportunities where both these thing s could have happened if I had just pull the trigger.

Wtf is this shit and how do I solve it bc I feel like a sleeping giant and it is eating me internally.

And before any of you wisecracks go “jUst GO dO mOrE apPrOAcHes bRo” please understand that I sometimes have girls literally falling into my lap but when it comes to seeing it through something in me just switches off.

I can flirt I can have sexualized convos I can approach I can play with sexual tension but I just cant see it through man.

I did an attachment type test and score really really high as a dismissive avoidant. (Google it)

Could this be it or is it sth else.

I am also intj if any of you mbti nerds are curious.

Thank you and I look forward to hearing your responses.

it sounds like some form of avoidance to me

= a coping mechanism

no matter the reason you need to feel what it is about

what is behind it

And it might be muddy, fuzzy, physical and the likes - our internal worlds take many representations

could be several things intertwined in your system

all this asking is fine but its merely hypotheses you can mirror the truth towards.

its typical to OVERSTUDY to overcome these issues while its actually some internal, hidden narrative that rules this - fears often or sub fears of sorts. Even some youre non aware of cause theyre dissociated or alike. Maybe more soft insecure sides of you. etc

Could be a thousand internal things

often whats behind avoidance is TOUGH to look at for people...

stopping up, relaxing less relentless seeking of it will activate the slower sides of you

allow it to arise

be gentle with yourself

imagine from memory the situations that trigger this

imagine moving forward in spite

see what comes up..

might not be obvious what it is initially but let your system inform you, speak to friends etc. allow weeks for it to arise and take shape.

just my 2 cents
 
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On point. 100% a defense mechanism.

The nature of defense mechanisms is that telling the person that does nothing... since it's unconscious.
 

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On point. 100% a defense mechanism.

The nature of defense mechanisms is that telling the person that does nothing... since it's unconscious.

Right!

I feel like this thread is becoming a psychology lesson. But seriously guys OP is going through the stages of change. He is not going to fix this issue overnight and has more than enough information to move forward

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Give him time guys
 

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Approach women- Been there done that.
Hook - Been there done that
Flirt/Banter- Been there done that
Sex talk- Been there failed a couple of times but still done that regarddless
Escalate physically- Been there done that TO A POINT.
Lay- NO Not yet
I also read Girls Chase for quite a while before I got any lays.
I had quite the journey to go throught, of course, since I only had my first kiss around 18 and was extremely shy and with a bit of that "superior" attitude that @Chase wrote about. I also regret many opportunities with girls back in high school and college.

I could approach and game girls, but truth is, I couldn't get in bed. In my head, I was like "wow I'm amazing at this game thing, I can get a random hot girl to make out with me from the other side of the club just kinda staring at her and looking sexy", but in fact I couldn't even get girls to reply to my texts or to go out with me, except girls I didn't quite care about and wouldn't fuck.

What I did to change this was basically just trying hard to close and lowering my standards. Not to the point of regretting banging a fugly girl, but to the point where I was confortable. I wouldn't take numbers anymore, I would go to clubs (all I did was night game anyway) and try to get as sexual as possible with girls. Nothing counted to me anymore, makeouts, numbers, good approaches, all I wanted was to get laid. Eventually I met the girl I lost my V-card to, and after that, things became way easier (in my head, at least), because I knew I could do it.

Of course another thing that helped a lot was moving out of my parents' house, I got lots of lays I wouldn't have got otherwise, but if you just wanna lose your V-card, this shouldn't matter. Pay for a love hotel room or something like that, fuck a girl on some dark alley, just do it. No idea about how your logistics in that sense are, but those could also be fucking you up a bit, the uncertanty of not knowing where to take a girl can lead to a lot of indecision and lost of lays that were supposed to be straight forward.

If you wanna read about it, there's almost my entire seduction journey on my journal here.
 
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Many value judgements are being made here about my character, my ego, my personality, my temperament, my shortcomings etc but the one pertinent question I asked hasn't been answered yet.

Various commenters more senior than me have come in with various hypotheses on the source of my problem.

I am asking you to suspend your judgement on what kind of person I am/ am not for a second and help me zero in on what exactly is the likely issue.
i.e Do not discuss ME discuss the PROBLEM.

This is the list:
1. I have fear of rejection.
2. I am more interested in validation than results (Thrill of the chase).
3. I have unrealistically high standards for women.
4. I go for girls I'm not really attracted to.
5. I am a wanker i.e Someone who watches porn and masturbates regularly so that they have no desire to interact with girls in the real world.

Again do not make this about me. Make it about the problem.
 

Mr Mistah

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it sounds like some form of avoidance to me

= a coping mechanism

no matter the reason you need to feel what it is about

what is behind it

And it might be muddy, fuzzy, physical and the likes - our internal worlds take many representations

could be several things intertwined in your system

all this asking is fine but its merely hypotheses you can mirror the truth towards.

its typical to OVERSTUDY to overcome these issues while its actually some internal, hidden narrative that rules this - fears often or sub fears of sorts. Even some youre non aware of cause theyre dissociated or alike. Maybe more soft insecure sides of you. etc

Could be a thousand internal things

often whats behind avoidance is TOUGH to look at for people...

stopping up, relaxing less relentless seeking of it will activate the slower sides of you

allow it to arise

be gentle with yourself

imagine from memory the situations that trigger this

imagine moving forward in spite

see what comes up..

might not be obvious what it is initially but let your system inform you, speak to friends etc. allow weeks for it to arise and take shape.

just my 2 cents
This comment made me do a double back and try to see the what it is I could be avoiding.

As mentioned before I did an attachment test and scored highly as a dismissive avoidant.

After reading this comment I did a quick google and this came up Re dismissive avoidants.

Dismissive-Avoidant Attachment​

Someone who is dismissive-avoidant in their attachment style may appear withdrawn and highly independent. They feel as though they do not need close, intimate relationships, preferring not to be dependent upon others, nor have others depend upon them. Individuals tend to feel low anxiety in relationships as they are emotionally distant. Their childhood was likely to have been characterised by absent caregivers, which is experienced as neglect and abandonment. Dismissive-avoidant people, therefore, learn to rely upon themselves.

How this translates to sex & intimacy: Individuals are less likely to connect on an intimate level. They can experience discomfort with closeness, feeling that it is imposed upon them. They may steer clear of demonstrating affection or responding to a partner’s needs. Sex, therefore, is more of a transactional experience, removed of it’s emotional intimacy, and serving personal needs such as stress-reduction. As such, they may engage in more one night stands or affairs.

"They can experience discomfort with closeness, feeling that it is imposed upon them."

I resonate with this specific line 100%.

I think I have found my problem.
 

Mr Mistah

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@Alpha13SC and Co.

Lol

Why dont you publicly address me instead of doing sidebars in the chat like women.

"He's just a kid"

"Dunning kruger"

"Unconcious incompetence"

"So defensive'

"You dont know what you dont know"
Yada yada yada

Let me tell you something.

The reason I'm getting a lot of flak from you and your acolytes is because you have this image in your head of what a virgin is supposed to look like, talk like, think like and behave like.

When I refuse to be pigeon-holed into this role by you you get upset and angry at me.

This is why my statement that I have mastered 95% of the "Open, Hook, Escalate, Lay" sequence makes you get into a fit.
The mere idea of it is simply incomprehensible to you and a perceived sign of insubordination by me.

In your head I should be in the sandpit eating dirt with the other kindergarteners.
In your head I should be some anxious, frail, naive kid with snot running down his nose.

Basically the actuality of who I really am is an anomaly and a threat to your mental model of what virgins are supposed to look like.

Well I'm sorry about that pal.
Sorry I wont allow you to put me into your little box of what a virgin is supposed to look and act like.
Sorry I know and have practised since 2018 how to open, hook, banter, sex talk and escalate on chicks to the point they are giddy and sitting on my lap.

Beyond that I dont know shit as I have never done any of it and have openly admitted as much. This is the 5% I am here to learn.

I have tried hard as hell to bypass the "virgin" stereotype by constantly placing disclaimers followed by anecdotes of my previous dealings with chicks but it seems I have failed in that regard.

I keep getting that tired chorus of "Bro why are you so defensive".
Sigh

Whats funny is that this isnt even really a "you" thing. Even more established seducers are fallible to this kind of bias.

In his article " Constructing Your Sexy Vibe" Ricardus expresses how he was shocked to find out that this sexy luscious 25 year old dancer girl with a banging body that he had been putting the moves on was infact a virgin.

I couldn’t believe it when she told me…

She was 25 years old and had a banging hot body… one that I was just about to peal out of her sexy, tight jeans. She had a belly button piercing and fake boobs… yet here she was lying next to me, telling me she was a virgin.

Just when you think nothing’s going to surprise you anymore… well, meeting women during the day truly is Forrest’s proverbial box of chocolates.

But, at least that explained why it had taken me a while to get together with her.

The usual expectation is that a girl of that disposition is supposed to be some kind of freak with more bodies than Mao Zedong when in reality sje is just a vrigin.
 

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@Alpha13SC and Co.

Lol

Why dont you publicly address me instead of doing sidebars in the chat like women.

"He's just a kid"

"Dunning kruger"

"Unconcious incompetence"

"So defensive'

"You dont know what you dont know"
Yada yada yada

Let me tell you something.

The reason I'm getting a lot of flak from you and your acolytes is because you have this image in your head of what a virgin is supposed to look like, talk like, think like and behave like.

When I refuse to be pigeon-holed into this role by you you get upset and angry at me.

This is why my statement that I have mastered 95% of the "Open, Hook, Escalate, Lay" sequence makes you get into a fit.
The mere idea of it is simply incomprehensible to you and a perceived sign of insubordination by me.

In your head I should be in the sandpit eating dirt with the other kindergarteners.
In your head I should be some anxious, frail, naive kid with snot running down his nose.

Basically the actuality of who I really am is an anomaly and a threat to your mental model of what virgins are supposed to look like.

Well I'm sorry about that pal.
Sorry I wont allow you to put me into your little box of what a virgin is supposed to look and act like.
Sorry I know and have practised since 2018 how to open, hook, banter, sex talk and escalate on chicks to the point they are giddy and sitting on my lap.

Beyond that I dont know shit as I have never done any of it and have openly admitted as much. This is the 5% I am here to learn.

I have tried hard as hell to bypass the "virgin" stereotype by constantly placing disclaimers followed by anecdotes of my previous dealings with chicks but it seems I have failed in that regard.

I keep getting that tired chorus of "Bro why are you so defensive".
Sigh

Whats funny is that this isnt even really a "you" thing. Even more established seducers are fallible to this kind of bias.

In his article " Constructing Your Sexy Vibe" Ricardus expresses how he was shocked to find out that this sexy luscious 25 year old dancer girl with a banging body that he had been putting the moves on was infact a virgin.



The usual expectation is that a girl of that disposition is supposed to be some kind of freak with more bodies than Mao Zedong when in reality sje is just a vrigin.
Lol.

The chat is Public and everything can write whatever s crossing through his mind, including you. But you chose to derail your own post just because you felt like proving something to me and the rest of guys. You don t have to qualify in front of us, chill.

I don t give a fuck if you read what I Ve wrote or not. I actually hoped that you read it, but felt too much effort to write that in your post.

I bet people know how you re like in real life more or less because some guys were in your shoes at one point. I knew I had the same thing, but when I was like 6, in kindergarten, when I told one girl to drop the panties in front of me and after she did it I did nothing. Along the time I became better(at 7y already made improvements lol).

You re making a lot of assumptions and most of them are wrong. I think you received too much attention.
 

Chase

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The reason I'm getting a lot of flak from you and your acolytes is because

The reason you're getting a lot of flak is for your attitude, not for anything else.

It's obvious you don't know how to behave in a group, nor to accurately assess your level compared to others'.

For the record, you are the lowest-ranking member in this thread, in terms of both seniority and aptitude. Your book learning does not give you an advantage. Perhaps once it's been tempered in the fires of experience -- but you are a far way from there.

Anyone and everyone in your position is required to enter into a group situation with humility and deference to those more senior and knowledgeable than him (that is, everyone else in this thread aside from you). You are not doing that, which is causing you to wear out your welcome very fast.

I suggest you consider whether this forum is actually something you consider a resource you'd like to use in the future. If it is, learn to behave like the new student you are among those with much more experience with you: behave gracious, thank others for their contributions, even if you don't think they are right, asks questions in good faith, and be humble.

If you can't do that, I cannot imagine you will be here much longer. No one has the patience for a know-it-all newbie who has no idea what he's doing but thinks he does due to reading some stuff or watching videos.

Chase
 
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Mr Mistah

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The reason you're getting a lot of flak is for your attitude, not for anything else.

It's obvious you don't know how to behave in a group, nor to accurately assess your level compared to others'.

For the record, you are the lowest-ranking member in this thread, in terms of both seniority and aptitude. Your book learning does not give you an advantage. Perhaps once it's been tempered in the fires of experience -- but you are a far way from there.

Anyone and everyone in your position is required to enter into a group situation with humility and deference to those more senior and knowledgeable than him (that is, everyone else in this thread aside from you). You are not doing that, which is causing you to wear out your welcome very fast.

I suggest you consider whether this forum is actually something you consider a resource you'd like to use in the future. If it is, learn to behave like the new student you are among those with much more experience with you: behave gracious, thank others for their contributions, even if you don't think they are right, asks questions in good faith, and be humble.

If you can't do that, I cannot imagine you will be here much longer. No one has the patience for a know-it-all newbie who has no idea what he's doing but thinks he does due to reading some stuff or watching videos.

Chase
Okay Chase.

One last request from me before I leave.

I have asked a question.

Can I get a definitive response to it so I can go work on it?

And I am asking this respectfully not out of entitlement. Thank you.
 
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