TROLL/VENT: Even out the playing field

[Archivar]

There she is, with a mute and ugly female friend, walking on the street. She is talking loudly, head up high, quick, confident walk. She is stunning and she knows it.

She does not engage with you in any way, ignores you, does not make eye contact. You are not even there for her according to her body language.

What is happening here? Display of Power in every movement.

Yes, I admit that saying "I find you attractive" and wait for the reply is the most powerless response. You just show that you don't understand that women choose men and not vice versa.

"You know, I came to this city to get away from girls like you." with a smile is better, but it's still too nice. Saying it with a stern face is better to even out the power dynamic, yet it will startle her.

What is the balance?

She		You
Factor	Points	Points	Factor
Facial symmetry	+10	+4	I find you attractive/You know, I came to this city to get away from girls like you
Attractive body	+10	-10	Appearance that is not attractive to her
Loud speech	+5	-10	Yet another guy who is not naturally attractive
Quick, dismissive walk	+8	-10	Unknown reasons
Going outside	-2
Not being with an entourage of men	-6
Sum	25	-26

You ARE below her. But women want to submit to men they see as higher. And if she doesn't even look at you, like no woman of power has in your life, why should it be different this time?

I naturally felt that all the openers are just not good enough. I cannot make myself bigger or look better.

1. How do I even out the playing field?
2. How do I stop her for her to take me seriously?

 

[Archivar]

Seems like your method is not working if you cannot answer that simple question.

 

[ulrich]

Wait for an opening if one ever shows or change targets.

Some girls can’t be gotten because timing is bad.
The way you frame this situation is one of those. Two set, acting noisy, actively moving and with a bitch of a friend.
Those are all transitory states that don’t help you.

I don’t see a need to swim upstream.

 

[Troy]

She		You
Factor	Points	Points	Factor
Facial symmetry	+10	+4	I find you attractive/You know, I came to this city to get away from girls like you
Attractive body	+10	-10	Appearance that is not attractive to her
Loud speech	+5	-10	Yet another guy who is not naturally attractive
Quick, dismissive walk	+8	-10	Unknown reasons
Going outside	-2
Not being with an entourage of men	-6
Sum	25	-26

You ARE below her. But women want to submit to men they see as higher. And if she doesn't even look at you, like no woman of power has in your life, why should it be different this time?

I naturally felt that all the openers are just not good enough. I cannot make myself bigger or look better.

1. How do I even out the playing field?
2. How do I stop her for her to take me seriously?

WTF? Bro, this is way too technical. Dating women is not some Maths class. And this is coming from a guy who is very analytical himself. I love numbers, but I never think about things this deep. I think your standards are too high. That can cause you to show unattractive personality traits. Am I missing something? Are you just using this table to make your post clearer?

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You post reminds me of this lady:

Troy

 

[Archivar]

@Troy , this is not technical, it shows the problem to those who do not - or pretend to not - get what the problem with approaches is. I hate not being understood. Dating women is hard, because they never give useful feedback. All you get is "it's too much/I am afraid" or "OHHHHH THATS SO SWEET OF YOU BUT I HAVE A BOYFRIEND". On the one hand they are extremely timid, on the other extremely condescending.
You come in nice, she is condescending, you come in aggressive, she is timid, you come in sexual, she pretends to not get it and it fades out into a conversation to nowhere.
And all you offer is sucking up to her. The playing field is uneven in women's favour from the start. And you go up to her with "You know, I came to this city to get away from girls like you.". That is triggering her timid side "OMG now I am here and he told me he hates me, is he going to hurt me?". And if you notice this vibe and say "It's okay" and make yourself smaller, there it is again, her condescending side.
The two girls I mentioned in the first example, they would just say "nobody cares" and continue, just roll their eyes and leave or look at me in disgust and walk around me in a circle without saying a word as if I was a beggar.

You probably would also apologize to a guy who slapped you and claim you can fight afterwards.
"I think your standards are too high." WTF?! That has nothing to do with standards. Standards are "she is not attractive enough". But you already knew it.
I only have attractive personality traits. You are missing everything.

 

[Glow]

@Archivar - its a common situation that the community has many solutions too.

aka read the manual

example:
- use active disinterest while moving into her line of vision with your back or side to her totally not giving her any attention - disarms her socalled power. see mystery method. yo ucan do this firmly or mingling in cool, slow style.
- allow the silence and air to do its work my using your seductive presence see beyond words. see sixty.
- open them as a set over the shoulder not giving too much attention initially
- spit game to make them relax and have fun
- nudge things in imaginative and feely areas, make her feel, stimulate on emotions
- escalate the vibe and potentially hint sex topics to start her imagination towards sexual feelings. Or use sex talk as outlined many places n here.
- be tempting and leave her sizzling without release of the sexual energy that will arise if you do this right. She will turn inviting sexually if done right.
etc etc

 

[Troy]

bump.

 

[Archivar]

Are you saying you are a perfect human being? Jesus is the only person with attractive personality traits.

"Jesus" is a fantasy figure, your imaginative friend.
I am a real and perfect human being, unlike your "jesus", "god" or the guy who resides in a ghost trap.

 

[ulrich]

You come in nice, she is condescending, you come in aggressive, she is timid, you come in sexual, she pretends to not get it and it fades out into a conversation to nowhere.

Yeah, that happens because you don’t know how to hit a balance in your approach.

It’s like a chef saying “fucking food, it’s always too cold or too hot”
No dude, you’re just a bad cook.

The playing field is uneven in women's favour from the start.

Why are you competing with women?
Does a salesman compete with their customers??

The two girls I mentioned in the first example, they would just say "nobody cares" and continue, just roll their eyes and leave or look at me in disgust and walk around me in a circle without saying a word as if I was a beggar.

So why approach if odds are too low anyway?

Seduction is about getting the girls you want and for that you go and search in the right places at the right times.
Thinking that you can have or need a bulletproof way to approach ANY girl and seduce her ANYTIME is not only deluded but a symptom of scarcity mindset.

I only have attractive personality traits. You are missing everything.

A huge ego is usually a symptom of low confidence and low competence. Were you aware?

 

[Archivar]

It’s like a chef saying “fucking food, it’s always too cold or too hot”
No dude, you’re just a bad cook.

Food neither lives when it's prepared, nor does it run away. Once you have it, you try again in a second. You have a pan and a timer or an oven. Or simply a microwave. A chicken is a chicken. Cauliflower is cauliflower. It requires the same cooking times, same seasoning. You simply go through the motions. It's so predictable that there are full books with recipes.

Women are none of that and, what is more, they go out of their way to not help you.

Therefore, it's not like a chef saying “fucking food, it’s always too cold or too hot”.

Why are you competing with women? Does a salesman compete with their customers??

The goal is to break her resistance.

So why approach if odds are too low anyway?

Because odds are never in your favour, something you should know.

Thinking that you can have or need a bulletproof way to approach ANY girl and seduce her ANYTIME is not only deluded but a symptom of scarcity mindset.

One has nothing to do with the other.

A huge ego is usually a symptom of low confidence and low competence. Were you aware?

You cannot handle other people being confident.

You talk like you've never approached a single woman in your life. Or do you play dumb on purpose? Why?

 

[climbingup]

Troll

 

[Troy]

You cannot handle other people being confident.

You talk like you've never approached a single woman in your life. Or do you play dumb on purpose? Why?

@uriel said it perfectly here. You have a big ego and it is usually a sign of low confidence or competence. The first thing you need to learn is to be coachable. You asked a question, and we are responding to what you said. I would recommend working on being more humble. Let us help you as you have asked questions.

Troy

 

[ulrich]

You simply go through the motions. It's so predictable that there are full books with recipes.

And yet, you cook different dishes with fresh items than with stale items.
You use different boiling temperatures depending on your location and pressure.
And you substitute some ingredients with local ones.

Recipe books are full of bullshit. They often indicate improper or impractical cooking methods, salt and spices amounts are all over the place, etc…
Nothing substitutes adapting to your taste and your guests (calibration)

Women are none of that and, what is more, they go out of their way to not help you.

The goal is to break her resistance.

Because odds are never in your favour, something you should know.

I don’t know where you are picking this shit up but it’s very counterproductive.

You’re treating seduction as if it was a fight. Honestly, this mentality is better suited for a martial arts engagement.

Seduction is a cooperative game. You must create a team with the girl. You and she should want each other to succeed.
If you can’t find a good partner, you go and look for another.

Think about it. What kind of reality you want to live on?
One where you need to trick, outsmart and force every woman into submission while she tries to do the same? Or one where you find a woman worth of your effort and she puts her effort too to make things happen?

The decision is yours.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/are-women-your-friends-or-your-enemies

You cannot handle other people being confident.

I can tell confidence from bragging.

You talk like you've never approached a single woman in your life. Or do you play dumb on purpose? Why?

Kid, I’ve been approaching women for over 15 years and faced hundreds of rejections.
The only times I have ever been disrespected are the ones where I approached in very non-saavy ways.

After getting some experience in this, it becomes pretty obvious when girls are going to kick you to the curb. You can tell from their demeanors before approaching.

I guess that you could get some excitement on trying to pull something almost impossible like hitting on a girl who is in the middle of a heated conversation, obviously running late or being surrounded by multiple guys already hitting on her… but, what’s the point?

There are millions of hot girls out there, why approach one showing an over the top bitchy attitude?

 

[Archivar]

You’re treating seduction as if it was a fight.

Ignoring you, walking around you, looking at you in a dismissive way, telling you about a boyfriend, not giving you feedback, being condescending when you are polite, testing and downright disrespecting you when having a weak moment, they are all acts of aggression.

I know that's hard to grasp when you are blinded by wrong assumptions.

By pretending that women were all just happy little fairies who just want to make the world a better place, you will be in a world of hurt.

So stop the agenda, stop the feel-good-bullshit and look at who we are really dealing with here.

There are millions of hot girls out there, why approach one showing an over the top bitchy attitude?

If anything, there are millions of girls out there, who range between 0 and 100 years. When you go to those that are not taken, not married, attractive to you, you narrow it down to maybe 4 girls at best when walking in the city in a day.

Kid, had you been approaching women for over 15 years and faced hundreds of rejections, you would know that you cannot be picky when it comes to situations.

 

[Glow]

@Archivar - ignore the attitude of these guys. Theyre a lil clumsy on giving feedback and you guys end up in a bad cycle of exchanges.

@Troy and @uriel pull back. Youre not winning the respect from anyone right now. Learn to give feedback in a better tone in spite of apparent errors. See things for what they are and adapt how you address individuals. This will help you on comms everywhere.

@Archivar What do you say to my proposals? Note that I have the highest rank available in here which means something before you answer. You earn that rank in here - its not easily obtained. Aka take a step back. Ive given you ways to address what youre facing field proven from the community and things you could search up on look into. If you could look into this it could help solve what youre struggling with - pedestralling her and reacting to her masks - apparent masks and behaviours that hot women put on for good reasons once you understand them and the challenges they face daily. Masks that you can manage through various manners of engaging her directly or indirectly.

Look at the perspective your putting onto this, onto her, and realise its a CHOSEN perspective your mind puts on the situation. evn if it seems like reality. i know its SUPERHARD to imagine and it seems so real. But Consider how a top seducer in here would differently at the situation. Look at how things could change eg if you did what i outlined initially. Maybe i could have deconstructed it a lil for you better too initially. That said you need to earn things to a degree before many of us give away our hard-earned knowledge which is why i just wrote fast directions and left it up to you if you would use it or not. Up to you if you would consider that my feedback could be useful.

Learning and seeing situations better takes work and time. Ask questions if you have them. Do the search. do the work. try to trust the fact that we know our shit in here.

 

[Archivar]

read the manual

Which manual?

 

[Glow]

Which manual?

its a saying we have referring to the manual of pickup referring the available writings in the community.

I outline a few in my list eg mystery referring to mystery method which was one of the first methods outlined that is specifically developed aimed to seduce very hot girls in clubs or in groups referred to as sets.

Skilled seducer is full of good input and intel on various methods. Members will point you to good resources too here as outside this forum if you read around and find specific topics you wanna understand more.

That said it want be served for you or necessarily easily available. You need to do the work of digging out the gold. Sometimes you get lucky. Othertimes your questions dont really get the solid feedback cause you need to earn it here. The skilled levels give more to people doing the work, journalling and being active in field.

 

[Archivar]

use active disinterest while moving into her line of vision with your back or side to her totally not giving her any attention

How do you see this contrasted with this snippet?

 

[DarkKnight]

The same good old "game doesnt work so Im going to vent" thread.

 

[Archivar]

The same good old "game doesnt work so Im going to vent" thread.

Nobody cares about what you want to say.