FR UK bars reopened

[greenleaf]

Headed out for a few beers as the UK bars finally re-opened (for now!).
Thought i'd make some approaches


First open on a 2-set seated next to us. I open with 'Wow you look just like me ex, only you have a different energy behind your eyes to her'. She doesn't really react (just looks at me) and her friend kind of gives her friend a confused smile lol. I ask them what they are up too, and how they know each other, but the target really doesn't seem remotely interested and they're kind of just looking at each other. I drop a little curiosity bait about me not being from here, but she doesn't bite. I do a little cold read about her being someone who puts up walls and sometimes people think you don't like them but really you're just trying to figure them out and how that ends up pushing some of the right people away from you bla bla, but she just pretty much blinks/crinkles her nose lol. I try to spike it a bit with some playfulness but this is a complete non-starter (she's just a hard 'red'/ungameable. Probably just not her type. Whatever. I move on.)

I spot a young girl I sort of recognise from a wedding I went too. Very pretty. I open her. She recognises me and we start to chat. We chat about the wedding briefly and share some memories (it was a crazy wedding). I ask who she's with and stuff, and at this point it's like a normal approach. I cold read her about what she does for work. I use it to go into a little gambit about me teaching music so I can do some kino whilst also demonstrating a little value and kind of teach her something. She's laughing. We carry on chatting. I ask her if she has any passions. She likes to dance and does some sort of hand-sewing or something. I ask what she likes about it. She doesn't really give me much here like she didn't know how to answer it, tbh. Or maybe it was too serious/boring for a girl like that. I try to use some emotional stuff. Tell her lots of people in clubs are boring and unenthusiastic It's so much better to find yourself with these people who have passion. I tell her about how I do art and tell her about how it's liberating and how time passes by and some other phrases from a PDF I downloaded (ross jefferies I think (?)).

I don't sense any actual attraction in this set from her, though. I can usually tell. I try to slowly ramp it up a little in term of proximity and eye contact and stuff and try to sexualise the convo a little to test the waters and confirm my suspicions. Slowly. Using some stuff from 'ultimate man project' mainly. Ask her about relationships and then how many guys she's been with. She's like 'none of your business' but then kind of hints and none/not many. I use the UMP stuff about how she hasn't found the right guy and she's very young and needs someone with experience who she's attracted too. I ask her how adventurous she is and she says 'fairly'. I ask her to come with me, but she says something like 'I don't wanna lead you on. I think you're after hooking up, but i'm not interested in you like that. Sorry' or something. I tease her in the TylerRSD way about accusing HER of getting sexual and we chat a bit more, but it kind of fizzled out after a while. She was just never gonna be attracted. I think she was an example of what I call a 'polite red' lol. Decent set though. I moved on once it was clear she wasn't into me

Social distancing seems out the window at this point and everyone is mingling and a girl brushes my arm as she walks past me. Seemed on purpose so I kind of spun my head around and looked at her with a faux 'angry' smirk. She smiled back. I approached her and decided to use more of an RSD vibe in this set. Silly, playful, stupid, flirty. 'Who are you! Who said you could touch me?' I think was the opener. She immediately played back and we were kind of flirting pretty quickly. Asked some getting to know you questions and she asked them all back which confirmed her interest. After a while I hit her with a RSDjeffy line about whether she was always cute or got cute after leaving school as a way to ramp it up verbally a little. I then done some 'push' too to counteract it and she started to chase a little bit and began touching a little. I sexualised it some more and asked her about her relationships and about guys she would never bang and was pointing at funny looking people and then ask her whether she likes having her hair pulled, and pretty soon we made out. However, it was ruined when soon after a girl i'd not yet met who I assume was one of her friends, and 2 dudes came over and pulled her away from me. One of the guys was like 'She's seeing someone, bruv!' lol. One of them could see I'd done nothing wrong (the huge guy) but the little dude looked like he wanted to beat me up lol. Probably drunk. I knew the barman and it didn't spill into a fight, but I lost her in the covid crowd and that was that

Was a bit of a sausage fest though, and the 'vibe' still seems way off compared to before so not sure i'll be going out for a while again. I really wanna wait until everything is 'normal', but nobody knows how long that could be!

 

[Protean]

I’m super jealous man. Can’t go out due to my living situation. This Covid business can’t end soon enough.

First open on a 2-set seated next to us. I open with 'Wow you look just like me ex, only you have a different energy behind your eyes to her'. She doesn't really react (just looks at me) and her friend kind of gives her friend a confused smile lol.

Can you elaborate on how you opened this set? Seems like you sat down turned and dropped this opener which can come across as a little forced and incongruent. @Gunwitch would know better than me though.

Asked some getting to know you questions and she asked them all back which confirmed her interest. After a while I hit her with a RSDjeffy line about whether she was always cute or got cute after leaving school as a way to ramp it up verbally a little.

I really like that line man! I’m definitely stealing that.

Keep going out for as long as the pubs are open man. You may be able to land yourself a fuck buddy for if/when cases spike and everything closes again

Protean

 

[Velasco]

I ask her if she has any passions. She likes to dance and does some sort of hand-sewing or something. I ask what she likes about it. She doesn't really give me much here like she didn't know how to answer it, tbh. Or maybe it was too serious/boring for a girl like that.

I'd have gone with dancing instead hand-sewing. and how its shit that we can't dance now because of covid. that'd get her going for a bit. then go into dance moves you like to do (maybe demonstrate something real quick (for IDGAF points). Then contrast how she probably hates it when random aggressive guys would approach her while she's dancing on the dance floor. and how much better it is when you meet the right kind of guy who knows when you want to be approached. and makes you're night so much better. When is the last time she's experienced that?

know what I'm saying

Tell her lots of people in clubs are boring and unenthusiastic It's so much better to find yourself with these people who have passion.

uncalibrated. Need to have been talking about her passion (which you didn't hear because she didn't offer you much material to use with her hand sowing shit) before you went into something like this.

Ask her about relationships and then how many guys she's been with. She's like 'none of your business'

better if you'd use this after doing what I suggested above. Throwing uncalibrate routines out of context leads to this

I ask her to come with me, but she says something like 'I don't wanna lead you on. I think you're after hooking up, but i'm not interested in you like that.

However, it was ruined when soon after a girl i'd not yet met who I assume was one of her friends, and 2 dudes came over and pulled her away from me. One of the guys was like 'She's seeing someone, bruv!' lol. One of them could see I'd done nothing wrong (the huge guy) but the little dude looked like he wanted to beat me up lol. Probably drunk

ya that sucks man.

not sure i'll be going out for a while again. I really wanna wait until everything is 'normal'

ya I'm thinking the same. we'll see.

 

[greenleaf]

I’m super jealous man. Can’t go out due to my living situation. This Covid business can’t end soon enough.

Yeah, nice to get it, but it still seems weird tbh. Don't think you're missing that much! I LITERALLY live for going out and even i'm thinking i'm happy to sit it out and save some money whilst it's like this here!

Can you elaborate on how you opened this set? Seems like you sat down turned and dropped this opener which can come across as a little forced and incongruent. @Gunwitch would know better than me though.

It was OK. She was sitting near me looking in my direction and I kind of 'double took' to make it look genuine.

I really like that line man! I’m definitely stealing that.

Keep going out for as long as the pubs are open man. You may be able to land yourself a fuck buddy for if/when cases spike and everything closes again

Protean

think it's one of Jeffy's lines from memory.

I'd have gone with dancing instead hand-sewing. and how its shit that we can't dance now because of covid. that'd get her going for a bit. then go into dance moves you like to do (maybe demonstrate something real quick (for IDGAF points). Then contrast how she probably hates it when random aggressive guys would approach her while she's dancing on the dance floor. and how much better it is when you meet the right kind of guy who knows when you want to be approached. and makes you're night so much better. When is the last time she's experienced that?

know what I'm saying

uncalibrated. Need to have been talking about her passion (which you didn't hear because she didn't offer you much material to use with her hand sowing shit) before you went into something like this.

better if you'd use this after doing what I suggested above. Throwing uncalibrate routines out of context leads to this


ya that sucks man.

ya I'm thinking the same. we'll see.

Thanks for the tips.

Yeah, with that sewing girl, I don't really care tbh. That was never gonna go anywhere no matter what. Even if I had mystery and Tyler feeding me lines through an ear piece! haha. She was a red (no attraction), but she kind of had to be talkative and stuff due to the circumstances tbh (mutual friends etc). I don't get frustrated over these types of sets anymore really. No point. I trust my instincts and know when I have a shot or not, I think

Yeah, annoying when weird stuff like guys jumping in set happens lol. I've had worse, though. Got in a full on fist fight on the dance floor last year for literally opening and saying 'hi' too a girl who appeared to be by herself (turns out she wasn't!). UK is funny at times

 

[Velasco]

That was never gonna go anywhere no matter what.

Context/set ups/transitions my guy.

Going from this

I ask her if she has any passions. She likes to dance and does some sort of hand-sewing or something. I ask what she likes about it. She doesn't really give me much here like she didn't know how to answer it,

straight into this

Tell her lots of people in clubs are boring and unenthusiastic It's so much better to find yourself with these people who have passion. I tell her about how I do art and tell her about how it's liberating and how time passes by and some other phrases from a PDF I downloaded (ross jefferies I think (?)).

is retarded lol.

Bacchus says this only AFTER she's gone on about why she's passionate about whatever she tells him she's passionate about, so that she'll agree with the follow up at the bottom.

if she hasn't....well then saying this would be weird to her.

Ask her about relationships and then how many guys she's been with. She's like 'none of your business' but then kind of hints and none/not many.

Asking chicks, straight up, "how many guys you've been with" is also retarded when she doesn't know if you'll judge her for that. Hence 'that's none of your business' type responses.

I use the UMP stuff about how she hasn't found the right guy and she's very young and needs someone with experience who she's attracted too.

And she agreed with this, right?

Do you remember what you said to follow this up? Like going deeper into why she needs someone with experience? and the ways in which he'd make her life better than it is right now?" ....or did you go straight into your "how adventurous are you" (which is where you'd ask go, "fairly? interesting....What'd you say is the most adventurous thing you've done? It doesn't have to be sexual" -> to lead to you sharing your sex story) -> "come with me"?

First set didn't go down because she wasn't attracted to you.
This set didn't go down because of bad game.
Last set didn't go down because of a wildcard (I'd say bad game only because you didn't ask who she was here with? (from your report, you only assumed she was there with another female friend) then gone over and win over the huge guy, so he'd (along with your girl) cool down the little drunk guy for you).

 

[greenleaf]

Asking chicks, straight up, "how many guys they've been with", is also retarded when she doesn't know if you'll judge her for that. hence 'that's none of your business' type responses.

it's worked before, tbh! haha. As I say, It was just a non-starter with her either way (even if I had cassanova himself feeding me lines) so it's all good. Definitely no attraction there unfortunately. (i've actually messaged our mutual friend to get him to dig a little and confirm what I already know lol)

Hopefully out again within a month assuming we don't have a 2nd lockdown!

But yeah, should have done a better job of finding out who girl in the last set was with as she was obviously attracted, although I don't think she mentioned anyone other than that one friend.

Is your town/city open properly again now?

 

[Velasco]

it's worked before, tbh! haha

It's not that it doesnt "work" (whatever the fuck that means), it's that it's a low percentage move, especially when a sexual frame hasn't been set) (more girls than not, aren't gonna give you a satisfactory answer, and it may even lose you the lay right then and there. Then youd conclude she was a polite 'red'). What's your purpose for asking her that and what are you hoping to get from her("oh I dont know around 40 haha").

A high percentage move on the other hand, is setting up the context to ask her, something like "what's the type of guy she usually goes for?" Or a variation of that question

asked her about her relationships and about guys she would never bang and was pointing at funny looking people

Id prefer "go for" rather than "bang" when its early in the sexual frame (inb4 "it worked here!"). Most girls are very comfortable telling you their preferences in guys.

When I go on guy's field reports and I talk about you should have done this. It's because what I suggest is the higher percentage move (higher likeliness of her complying with your request) in that specific scenario. Not that what you originally did in your report, never "works".

 

[flatron]

Good work - Forget about the first 2 sets. They sounds like 'no girls'. You can move on pretty fast once you get experience at telling which girls are never going to be into it and waste less time.

Last set sounds like it was on. Maybe still wouldn't have been possible to get the lay that night, but some tactical changes in these sets where she's actually attracted are beneficial (meeting friends, getting number early etc)

 

[greenleaf]

This chick gave you more from the get-go.

Yeah, I think having some mutual friends kind of made it hard for her to just ignore/eject straight after the opener as she would have likely otherwise done so she had to talk back a little lol. Lucked out in that respect

The job of a skilled seducer is to determine what works fastest and what works most often.

True. I think i'm gonna revert back to a more RSDJeffy style for my next outing. Feels more natural for me personally, and more effective with the types of girls I tend to meet. (the whole silly, fun, sexual. Nothing 'deep' conversationally or clever etc etc. Just RSD style fluff, bit like in that last set) I'd do the NLP/serious stuff if I was travelling Europe again and meeting them sort of girls, though (talk of 'connection' and travelling and emotions etc etc)
Thanks for the reply.

Good work - Forget about the first 2 sets. They sounds like 'no girls'. You can move on pretty fast once you get experience at telling which girls are never going to be into it and waste less time.

Last set sounds like it was on. Maybe still wouldn't have been possible to get the lay that night, but some tactical changes in these sets where she's actually attracted are beneficial (meeting friends, getting number early etc)

Yeah, I don't really care about the first 2 sets. I also have enough experience to know when a girl is simply not attracted thus there's no point in gaming her. Maybe in future FR's i'll leave out writing about the 'no girl' sets, tbh and concentrate the FR on the other sets.

Yeah, I deffo messed up in terms of over-escalating and also not meeting her freinds properly and just taking her at her word that she was just with one female friend, and not a load of her boyfriends mates etc! lol



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Anyway, thanks everyone. No need for further replies.

Happy hunting!

 

[greenleaf]

I already know what's possible and what's not, but there's already too much arguing on this site, so we'll agree to disagree lol

Good luck

 

[flatron]

Jeffy stlye is one of many styles of 'advanced game' (definition depends on who is marketing the particular style.) Do what feels most natural.
Check out Tyler's game style, too. But none of this stuff is magic i'm afraid
Her attraction is a pre-requisite just as it is when a girl is trying to seduce you.
Open more sets, find the gameable girls, and have fun out there!

 

[Teevster]

Good work - Forget about the first 2 sets. They sounds like 'no girls'. You can move on pretty fast once you get experience at telling which girls are never going to be into it and waste less time.

Last set sounds like it was on. Maybe still wouldn't have been possible to get the lay that night, but some tactical changes in these sets where she's actually attracted are beneficial (meeting friends, getting number early etc)

So weird seeing people talk to oneself on the internet.