Using descriptive, emotional language to arouse

[KJ Francis]

I have not seen much on this topic, but it seems to be an old school concept, perhaps tangentially related to NLP. It seems @Teevster can get descriptive about sensations in his gambits, so perhaps it is partly inspired by the school of thought. I am not quite ready for Riker.

Basically the idea is to use overly descriptive, flowery language to describe sensations, senses, feelings, etc.

@James Cruse mentioned JD Fuentes' book the Sexual Key in the classic seduction books thread. I do not see other mentions of this guy here. More from James on this:

Socializing - 2021 in review and the state of seduction as we enter 2022

Today, while I was riding the subway, I got at least 3 approach invites from very decent chicks (no, they were not 10s, but I'm sure 80% of guys in this forum would give them a shot). Daygame is the easier it has ever been, by a large margin. Guys were not approaching before corona, but now, oh...

www.skilledseducer.com

I haven't delved much into the book yet, but it starts by acknowledging Milton Erickson, Richard Bandler & John Grinder, and Ross Jeffries for applying NLP to seduction. Then he claims women process language with both sides of the brain.

Franco's books from around that time also feature this concept heavily. He actually wrote that he couldn't stop laughing while writing some examples because of how ridiculous and even aggrivating it can sound to a man. So it makes sense that guys may find it unnatural and forget about employing it. But he claims it's extremely effective.

Has this technique been lost to time? We're talking two decades now, after all.

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@Chase are there any articles on using language bordering on "purple prose" to arouse? (Romantic dates can still pull, right?)

Is anyone else here consciously using this?

I must admit, when I think of an archetypical seducer in the classic sense, it is a silver-tongued Don Juan speaking about the sunset, handing a girl a rose he had just picked.

 

[James Cruse]

Hey mate,

I used it here in this LR heavily throughout the interaction:

LR: Chesty DHV’ing OCD Uni Student (Heavy Emotional Language used)

 

[Chad Tyrone]

are there any articles on using language bordering on "purple prose" to arouse?

How to Use "Weasel Words" to Implant Ideas in Her Head

How do you make a woman feel what you want her to feel? One way is with weasel words – phrases you slip into speech designed to elicit specific emotions. Contents 1. The Routine 2. Contrasting 3. Weasel Phrases 4. Meta-States 5. Fractionation 6. Recap Hey guys, and welcome back. Previously, I...

www.girlschase.com

 

[Toby2030]

I used quite some time to make it a part of my communication style. I've learned a lot of the basics and are doing a lot of it unconciously now but there's still a lot to learn.

There's multiple layers to this but the core is creating positive emotions and linking them to you. You can start with some of the basics such as:
- Adding energy and enthusiasm to how you speak
- Using more pacing and pausing in your speech
- Using more adjectives and adverbs in your speech to stimulate their emotions and imagination.
- Move, motion, gesture and accentuate what you are saying in order to be more compelling as a speaker and to get even more attention from your listener or audience
- Embedded commands
- Linking positive emotions to yourself, and negative emotions away from yourself. A good start is pointing/gesturing away from yourself when talking about something negative, and doing the opposite when talking about positive emotions.
and much more

It's just important to make all of this natural in the conversation, otherwise it will be very weird.

Then it's all about moving into topics that benefit seduction. IMO one of the really cool things about Rikers framework.
1. Start on any subject and use the strategies
2 Move towards subjects that are more fun, positive, and interesting
3. Move towards subjects that engage her emotions and imagination in a positive way
4. Move towards romatic, fascinating or seductive subjects (move towards seductive oriented topics when possible)

If the conversational thread dies, you start from scratch. If you get to a good subject, stay there and use the language tools.

Even though you say you aren't ready for his content, I would still recommend it as the go to source for this. You can check Rikers language course out here.

 

[KJ Francis]

Thank you @James Cruse @Chad Tyrone and @Toby2030 !!!

- Linking positive emotions to yourself, and negative emotions away from yourself. A good start is pointing/gesturing away from yourself when talking about something negative, and doing the opposite when talking about positive emotions.

Great breakdown - thanks! This part reminded me of this video where he demonstrates this technique.

From Franco, for the lurkers:

Women are hedonists of the emotions. This is a banal example, but imagine if you
were to answer in the following way to a male friend, when he asks what kind of work
you do:

“This is a very exciting and interesting question. Your question shakes me so
deeply. Yes! My job! Every morning I wake up and go, full of joy into a warm subway full
of strangers. I feel happy when I go to the office. Yes. Think that I am a banker. I am a
particular, romantic banker. During the whole day some very exciting papers come
across my desk and I feel myself so important when I participate in the Nation’s destiny.
After all this is a work of extremely social interest and it makes me feel happy. I feel
fulfilled when I take care of all those papers.”

Your male friend will believe that you became crazy or will suspect that you are gay.

Risk of Female State Control

With practice you will notice that women will defend themselves in several ways
against the rising of desire connected with being emotional. One typical way is this:
“I’m going to the bathroom now.”

When she comes back she is colder and more in control. You need to start again to
build rapport and attraction. She did that because she felt she was becoming horny,
while having an emotional exchange with the guy.

As a screening tool:

The other group of LSE women, the LSE LD women - low self-
esteem, low sexual drive - you will be able to recognize
because they will enjoy female talk with you and will change
all what you say into negative.

Like this:
Franco: (long pleasurable descriptions of Paris)

LSE LD woman: "It is too expensive as a town and I hate all
those well dressed women who show off with their expensive
clothes."

Franco: "Hmm ... I feel I have a terrible headache suddenly ...
I think I will go home"

She will cut you off like this and for two reasons:

1. She is scared of sex and your description is arousing her.

2. Her bad self-esteem does give her the permission of
enjoying anything: she feels that she does not deserve Paris
and in general does not deserve good things.

Good: here you have a wonderful "ready made" screening tool
made by Franco to screen out the bad ones very fast.

The more a woman is a good girl, the more she is feminine and
the more she will enjoy your "female talk."

What you will need to do at this point - after you have
aroused her by the female talk - is to take out your masculine
side and start to lead her and her emotions.

 

[James Cruse]

Franco's books from around that time also feature this concept heavily. He actually wrote that he couldn't stop laughing while writing some examples because of how ridiculous and even aggrivating it can sound to a man. So it makes sense that guys may find it unnatural and forget about employing it. But he claims it's extremely effective.

Has this technique been lost to time? We're talking two decades now, after all.

I didn’t mention this in the other post, but alot of people may not be aware that Franco’s book referred Sexual Key by J.D. Fuentes.

The version 3 of Sexual Key had only been published less than a year before Franco published his first book.

You can see Franco referring to the Sexual Key method in vague terms (similarly to how Gunwitch does in SMMA) - but Franco had only starting using Sexual Key earlier that year.

Gunwitch brought out SMMA in 2013, which wasn’t long after Sexual Key ver. 3 was published also.

Tyler Durden/Owen Cook read an earlier version of the Sexual Key book (ver. 2, I think) and posted about it in the forums back then commenting how powerful it is.

I saw a recent infield of Owen using really poor Sexual Key in a bar approach, he was rusty. So he clearly still uses the method - it’s curious he never mentions that to anyone.

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Thank you @James Cruse @Chad Tyrone and @Toby2030 !!!


Great breakdown - thanks! This part reminded me of this video where he demonstrates this technique.

From Franco, for the lurkers:



Risk of Female State Control



As a screening tool:

Nice breakdown bro. Where did Franco write this.

And you're right about the Female state control thing. It is one of the potential hiccups of emotional female talk language.

But social frame can fix this. Same with Chase article on floors and ceilings

Franco screening technique is good too ... which book is that from?

 

[FreeJ]

This is such an interesting subject to me...

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There's multiple layers to this but the core is creating positive emotions and linking them to you. You can start with some of the basics such as:
- Adding energy and enthusiasm to how you speak
- Using more pacing and pausing in your speech
- Using more adjectives and adverbs in your speech to stimulate their emotions and imagination.
- Move, motion, gesture and accentuate what you are saying in order to be more compelling as a speaker and to get even more attention from your listener or audience
- Embedded commands
- Linking positive emotions to yourself, and negative emotions away from yourself. A good start is pointing/gesturing away from yourself when talking about something negative, and doing the opposite when talking about positive emotions.
and much more

It's just important to make all of this natural in the conversation, otherwise it will be very weird.

Then it's all about moving into topics that benefit seduction. IMO one of the really cool things about Rikers framework.
1. Start on any subject and use the strategies
2 Move towards subjects that are more fun, positive, and interesting
3. Move towards subjects that engage her emotions and imagination in a positive way
4. Move towards romatic, fascinating or seductive subjects (move towards seductive oriented topics when possible)

These are some great points. Honestly, the skill of strongly holding attention in conversation, stimulating positive emotions, and tying it back to you, puts you in a rarified strata of rizz.

Definitely going to be reading up on this.

I didn’t mention this in the other post, but alot of people may not be aware that Franco’s book referred Sexual Key by J.D. Fuentes.

The version 3 of Sexual Key had only been published less than a year before Franco published his first book.

You can see Franco referring to the Sexual Key method in vague terms (similarly to how Gunwitch does in SMMA) - but Franco had only starting using Sexual Key earlier that year.

Gunwitch brought out SMMA in 2013, which wasn’t long after Sexual Key ver. 3 was published also.

Tyler Durden/Owen Cook read an earlier version of the Sexual Key book (ver. 2, I think) and posted about it in the forums back then commenting how powerful it is.

I saw a recent infield of Owen using really poor Sexual Key in a bar approach, he was rusty. So he clearly still uses the method - it’s curious he never mentions that to anyone.

Okay damn this sounds interesting. Got the book now curious to get into it. Thanks for bringing it up!

I have not seen much on this topic, but it seems to be an old school concept, perhaps tangentially related to NLP. It seems @Teevster can get descriptive about sensations in his gambits, so perhaps it is partly inspired by the school of thought. I am not quite ready for Riker.

Basically the idea is to use overly descriptive, flowery language to describe sensations, senses, feelings, etc.

...

Is anyone else here consciously using this?

I must admit, when I think of an archetypical seducer in the classic sense, it is a silver-tongued Don Juan speaking about the sunset, handing a girl a rose he had just picked.

You know, something I've always wondered is how much the words are a memory scaffolding for the guy to have the right facial expressions and melody... as I've talked to many of my female friends about music and they almost all say the lyrics are jack shit compared to the melody. But, even being a musician on the side, it definitely requires my brain to churn if I am going to say something completely new or random with a great melody and facial expressions...

An example would be, if I sing along to "I Feel Good" by James Brown it's effortless, as my brain has it all encoded in memory...
But, if I were to come up with new lyrics on the spot, there's all kinds of effort in pronunciation, syllables, etc that needs to be figured out.
So, somehow I wonder to what extent repetitive language sequences aren't just a memory tool for ourselves like they are in music?