fog all that stuff may work for online for example... like the "can i be honest with you", to prompt a response, then you follow up with the real opener, but as you explained context matters, this for daygame or cold approach is really not needed, specially nikko, look at how that intriguing stuff makes him come across weird, he does not need to do any of this... as you notice all of that needs a solid follow up, nikko is just using all that as a "routine" it will totally backfired cause women can smell is bs and not genuine then he comes across as a weirdo, specially when he can not follow up, (in previous text) will_v explained to him all of this in another posts... Nikko at this point does not need to get this fancy,..i dont think ive ever used that line at all. timing and semantics are important here. ive definitely used variations. For example:
Used to experiment with this as a first message on facebook and tinder. I would often use it as a throwaway statement just to measure interest before the real opener came. It would often confuse girls. How can you just notice someone online?
...and I tried it out during daygame for a bit. didnt like it either. never used it when texting a girl after getting a number.
In north american culture, this is being direct while being vague...by not including any sort of descriptor at all (wild, interesting, random, etc), you keep it sufficiently ambiguous to trigger curiosity. This goes near the start or can be included during qualy...
what i have been using:
Use this any time you wanna transition into a new topic in a calibrated way. Similar to "that reminds me." can be used when texting a girl after getting her number.
I also experiment with "i just realized something about you" thru text sometimes but it can be legitimately tricky to follow up with unless you truly have some sort of info about her thats really gonna blow her mind.
re: open loop
no need to drop an open loop then say "ill tell you later." drop the open loop and leave her on read for a bit to build tension [good way to open up an opportunity to call her as well]. after leaving her on read then close the open loop. good way to drive her nuts in a low effort way.
if she experiences very little reaction to an open loop and is not hounding you to close it, you dont have enough value yet.
This actually was his best opener:
Me: hey HB the salad girl, how is the train ride lol
^ whiteout the lol, just normal building up of something that happened in the interaction...