What are the least and most statistically successful types of game and location?

[DoWhatWorks]

Adding my 2 cents here:

“What are the least and most statistically successful types of game and location?”

Depends so it’s hard to give a definite answer.

Also there are so many variables that it easily becomes mental masturbation that hinders you from taking action.

I think beginners should just focus on mastering 1 avenue of game I.E night game or online

Then once they have a track record they can share their conversions and get help to be more efficient.

Part of the problem is who really has time or the want to track minutes on app/ in bar etc?

I track dates to lays & retention but that’s about it.

Game should just be a means to an end (IMO)

 

[Skills]

PREMISE
One thing, I think, is missing from pickup artistry are statistics. Sure, how you implement game is more important than what type of game and setting you choose but the latters are still important. It's like going to the gym, everyone is different and every body responds differently to train stimulus, but even in weightlifting there are constants that hold signficative value. For example, a 12-15 reps range is the best for hypertrophy, lower reps range are better for strenght while higher reps range are better for endurance. This is just how our fixed human biology works but biology is also an important part of human attraction, not only muscle building, so why wouldn't statistics hold any value?

QUESTION
Back to the question, what do you think are the least and most successful settings/locations for approaching? And what do you think are - on average - the least and most successful types of game?
Success Rate A is defined as number of lays per approach.
Success Rate T is defined as number of lays per unit of time.
Express your answers for both types of success rates.

^ This is something very individualistic, my advice to you is to go and field test and try everything to see what works to your city, location, style, generation etc.... But in general the same as it always been easiest social circle then online, then day game, then night game hardest...

 

[Skills]

This is still a strawman - you keep bringing up “statistical models” - this is not relevant to this discussion nor was it brought up by anyone here at any time.

You’re trying to frame this as, “people will just use one method of seduction and just bulldoze some girl with this method mindlessly rather than calibrate” - brother that’s a strawman.

Who the hell said using a seduction method didn’t include calibration? Just LOL!

If you’re not calibrating from their response by reading their cues and tone, then no seduction methods will work well at all, no matter what. It would be mindless ploughing like a speeg.
Everyone here is generally calibrating at least abit, if not alot. The only people that wouldn’t be would be genuinely on the spectrum.

So what you’re saying above is - “methods shouldn’t be compared because they don’t include any calibration and you need calibration so therefore no methods should be compared.”

I think here we can assume that everyone is calibrating to the best of their ability in every interaction they go into, so it really doesn’t need to be said here.

So what you said above is moot here mate.

What method do you use and what is your approach to lay ratio for daygame and night game?

dude:

uriel says blah blah,

you totally misunderstand and totally change what he is trying to convey then you say "strawman"


this is such a ridiculous argument by the way..... He is talking about what is giving higher odds of success what actions bring higher odds.... You would be surprise how un calibrated people are in general... does not matter the level. This everybody is general calibrated is totally false, just scroll through the forum and go out to any night club, 98% of dudes super uncalibrated....

 

[nolimits]

I’m guessing this means you do online game almost exclusively.
This would explain why alot of your posts have a tone of frustration.

Daygame should certainly not take that many hours, unless you’re counting alot of downtime between each approach.
If you’re looking at the actual time interacting with women only, far too much.

I also don’t believe 3 hours for online game - that means you could be swiping for awhile every night and every second or third night you pulled.
But you’re not going to pull every girl you go on a date with, so you need to count the time spent on dates in time invested per/online game pull. At 3 hours, that means you’re pulling every second or third night, if you put in 60-90 mins of swiping & messaging per night - this I doubt very much.
Realistically, from my experience, night game is the lowest time spent per lay, far lower than online game and even lower than daygame.
It very rarely takes approaching 7 or less girls - sometimes up to 15, if I’m tired or “off”.
Can you run us through what you’re general method in all three game areas that you mentioned?

Yeah of course conversion rate matters, but it mainly matters if your results aren't good.

IOW what I meant was - the most important metric is overall lay count.

If a guy fucks 10 women a month I can almost guarantee you he is a very seductive individual. Provided he goes for women he actually likes and does not pay for sex.

Just as you wouldn't ask an entrepreneur : 'hey man, sure, you are a millionaire.. that's good..

but how much time do you spend working ???? Is your work to money ratio good ?'

He'd be like, ' how could it not be ? '.

My point being - the ratio is a means to an end. And as useful as one could find it, I think it is more dangerous than useful on a mental level.

Maybe it isn't the same for you man, but for me focusing too much on the meet to lay ratio looks like one of these things that are very good at.....

....reducing the number of your approaches, and as a consequence your lay count.


I remember hector saying that once you are a sexy guy , your problem is much likely not approaching enough.

Which I completely agree with.

If your fundamentals are good, talk to 4 women a day. Do just that for a month, and see where that takes ya. It is likely all you need.

As far as daygame/street game taking up to 2 hours a day (14 hours per week) I was counting the time spent walking - as you guessed.. not just the three minutes it takes to talk to a girl ; )

Night game to me is interesting - especially if you do it with friends - but I see quite a few downsides with it.

- Doing it solo isn't as fun.
- It depends a lot on the venue.
- It isn't always lifestyle friendly (i'd rather go on dates or see some friends at night than go bymyself gaming in a bar).

Of course, if you find the right spot, it can be great.

I remember discovering this great venue a month ago, where I got laid 3 times in a row. But then, I discovered that you always see the same people there.

So now, I have to go find a new venue etc... Whereas daygame is harder but you can rely on it.

I've never tried online game, mainly because I like to force myself to cold approach.

If you want my opinion, I find it difficult to believe online to be a reliable acquisition channel for hot girls - given that the barrier to entry is non existent.

Have you ditched day game or do you keep doing it ?

 

[nolimits]

I can speak from my own thoughts and experience, I want to know conversion rates for the following reasons:

1. Which seduction method(s) have the best conversion rate (meet to lay ratio) and why?
2. It’s not about avoiding rejection - it’s about saving our most precious resource: TIME.

We all know we don’t like rejection but we also know rejection is part of pickup and seduction, that’s a given.

This is such a simple idea, and people here are trying to strawman others for asking about their conversion.
I suspect the reason people keep shaming guys here for asking the question or trying to sidestep the question of conversion really don’t want people to know how much time they spend NOT converting (as if it doesn’t matter - it does) or just don’t approach very often and don’t want to reveal that.

I think the discussion about conversion and numbers is a VERY VALID enquiry regarding seduction methods.

If a method doesn’t convert - people should drop it and move on to a new seduction method(s) that will convert. Many guys here are using a shitty method that doesn’t convert and need to change their method to convert.

I liken the idea to sales - if I’m going to 20 sales appointments per week and I use a particular method and I only convert one sale per week - yes it’s a win and I get paid for it. BUT it’s not going to lead to me being wealthy or give me alot of additional options financially.
So then I move onto another method that nets me (consistantly) 4-5 sales out of 20. Which is very good, but not great.
Then I move onto a method that allows me to close 9-10 sales per week out of 20 - with additional referrals and returning customers - now that’s MUCH better sales method that will lead me to far more success and wealth. This method will allow me to get paid more than double the money for the same amount of TIME (and usually effort).

The goal here is that people are trying to be smarter seducers, which is what we should all aim for.

This is like what I said above - I stopped using dating apps here because the Return on Investment (ROI) for the time I was spending was very low in amount and very low quality, therefore I discovered it wasn’t a good use of my time, energy or effort.

I know there is some model looking guys that I know, where apps are ideal for them - they can swipe for an hour per day and have dates lined up for 3-4 nights that week with attractive women just coming directly over to their house and they can do this swiping while eating their lunch.
But those guys look like models. Would they have the same ROI from daygame - definately not. From nightclubs? Probably not either. Would the quality from daygame be better? Yes. Nightclubs? Maybe

So I think we should all keep in mind our conversion rates and discuss them openly in relation to our actions, rather than shaming people here.

I'm not shaming anyone here brother, got better stuff do than open a forum and do that.. so - chill out

 

[James Cruse]

dude:

uriel says blah blah,

you totally misunderstand and totally change what he is trying to convey then you say "strawman"


this is such a ridiculous argument by the way..... He is talking about what is giving higher odds of success what actions bring higher odds.... You would be surprise how un calibrated people are in general... does not matter the level. This everybody is general calibrated is totally false, just scroll through the forum and go out to any night club, 98% of dudes super uncalibrated....

I think you missed my point here - if one guy trys one seduction method for awhile and then the same guy tries another seduction method - realistically his calibration skills likely haven’t changed very much between using each seduction method.

So the same guy trying different methods will likely have the exact same level and skill of calibration to each method. Calibration is recognising and acting on non-verbal signals. These signals aren’t changing. What you do do respond (the method) does change though.

Therefore, each method could be compared for their own merits with each individual.

So yes, my argument is valid and saying “calibration” means that no methods can be compared makes no sense, as above.

Seduction methods can and should be compared.
Has no-one here compared several methods themselves and found some methods get better results than others?

I personally tried London Daygame Method (Krauser/Torrero) for daygame before pandemic and found it had very ordinary results.

I then tried Gunwitch Seduction MMA and I got much better results. I then added Sexual key language and got far less phone flaking and better hooks.

I had the same level of calibration ability throughout all of those methods, it really didn’t change significantly over that pariod of time.

 

[James Cruse]

Yeah of course conversion rate matters, but it mainly matters if your results aren't good.

IOW what I meant was - the most important metric is overall lay count.

If a guy fucks 10 women a month I can almost guarantee you he is a very seductive individual. Provided he goes for women he actually likes and does not pay for sex.

Just as you wouldn't ask an entrepreneur : 'hey man, sure, you are a millionaire.. that's good..

but how much time do you spend working ???? Is your work to money ratio good ?'

He'd be like, ' how could it not be ? '.

My point being - the ratio is a means to an end. And as useful as one could find it, I think it is more dangerous than useful on a mental level.

Maybe it isn't the same for you man, but for me focusing too much on the meet to lay ratio looks like one of these things that are very good at.....

....reducing the number of your approaches, and as a consequence your lay count.


I remember hector saying that once you are a sexy guy , your problem is much likely not approaching enough.

Which I completely agree with.

If your fundamentals are good, talk to 4 women a day. Do just that for a month, and see where that takes ya. It is likely all you need.

As far as daygame/street game taking up to 2 hours a day (14 hours per week) I was counting the time spent walking - as you guessed.. not just the three minutes it takes to talk to a girl ; )

Night game to me is interesting - especially if you do it with friends - but I see quite a few downsides with it.

- Doing it solo isn't as fun.
- It depends a lot on the venue.
- It isn't always lifestyle friendly (i'd rather go on dates or see some friends at night than go bymyself gaming in a bar).

Of course, if you find the right spot, it can be great.

I remember discovering this great venue a month ago, where I got laid 3 times in a row. But then, I discovered that you always see the same people there.

So now, I have to go find a new venue etc... Whereas daygame is harder but you can rely on it.

I've never tried online game, mainly because I like to force myself to cold approach.

If you want my opinion, I find it difficult to believe online to be a reliable acquisition channel for hot girls - given that the barrier to entry is non existent.

Have you ditched day game or do you keep doing it ?

Firstly, I mostly do daygame now due to my circumstances. I mostly did nightgame for most of my 20’s, with some daygame here and there.

I don’t do online game anymore because it’s a bad ROI, which is why I think this discussion is relevant.

Most guys here just keep plugging away at online game or shitty seduction methods because they think it’s “easy”, when really they could be doing so many other things to better themselves in that time and they should be doing daygame, social circle or club game and do far better with the time spent.

With respect to Hector, I disagree.
You can be the most seductive guy around but you need several other things to actually seduce girls:

1. Time to meet them (in person) and seduce them
2. Some money - for your own place, car, logistics, cost of drinks, your fashion, clothing etc. and other expenses.
3. A job - providing the money above.
I know that when I have plenty of time to meet girls, like when I’m on holidays or when I had a job that I had plenty of downtime during the day, I had more girls than I knew what to do with, it was almost a part time job to spin so many plates.

But we’re not all dating coaches who can approach dozens of girls every day or who have plenty of downtime - which again is why this dicussion is so relevant.

For the people here that have jobs, we’re working 8-10+ hour days (working & not meeting any women), then after that, gym, exercise and hobbies.

Unless you’re meeting girls at your job (so dangerous), on your lunch break (doubtful) at the gym (I do but they’re mostly the same girls, like a social circle, so they’re not unique) or your hobbies (social circle - great place only if there are girls there), or going shopping/getting groceries (honestly not that many targets) there isn’t alot of time in a work week to go out gaming to approach 4 unique girls that turn me on per day.
But if you’ve met girls on the weekend (as I do) - you’re going on dates or fucking girls after all of that during the week after work/gym/exercise/hobbies and between meeting freiends and family anyway.

Most guys that I know who are dating girls that are, in my opinion, below their league, are because they work full time in great jobs and have the same downtime as me, but they’re game is just ok.
So they have less options because the little time they do have, they’re not getting alot of “leads” so to speak, in the time they have.
Again, this comes down to ROI for time spent and the point of this discussion.

This is why clubs are so busy on weekends - everyone is too busy to meet people during the week, even women.
This is why most normal people meet their partners at their jobs, in university or on holidays - it’s the only time most people have alot of downtime.

How are you approaching 4 girls per day that are attractive to you? I could get one or two in, on a good work day. 4 would be a stretch.

I’m guessing you’re university age and don’t work full time?

This is why this discussion is important - time. And you’ll learn how little you have of it as you get older and have a career and it’s something almost no dating coaches talk about and they almost completely disregard when I bring it up to them in person - because they spend all their time coaching & approaching.

 

[POB]

Statistics are more useful if the set of assumptions is shared by all readers.
In other words, if the working model is set and clear… which for seduction it is not.

I can tell you I get laid with 1 out of every 8 girls I approach in daygame.
That statistic is useless if you don’t know how attractive I am, where I live, where I serge and what method I use.

Exactly!
I would add that mood swings and high vs low tides play a major role too!
When you have momentum, 1 out of 30 does not seem bad.
When you don't, 1 out of 10 may seem like a disgrace!
This is why seduction is so hard to quantify in numbers!

This is exactly what I am talking about. The 12-15 reps for hypertrophy is not a universal agreement.
I have found much more success with 5-8 and many experts would side with this model.

You can have success with both!
Plus there's one thing called periodization.
Fitness is another topic where raw statistical numbers don't always add up.

I always had most success in Gay bars/clubs - that is, the type that is heterofriendly: venues that let in girls.

I tried to game on these venues and I simply can't.
Gay dudes literally treat me like a piece of meat...the energy is so bad that my drive to approach goes to shit.

You would be surprise how un calibrated people are in general... does not matter the level. This everybody is general calibrated is totally false, just scroll through the forum and go out to any night club, 98% of dudes super uncalibrated....

Agreed.
Not only in game, but in life in general.
Girls are becoming very uncalibrated too! Sometimes you have to practically explain you are actually seducing her.
In general, people are just becoming dumber and harder to socialize with.

IOW what I meant was - the most important metric is overall lay count.
If a guy fucks 10 women a month I can almost guarantee you he is a very seductive individual. Provided he goes for women he actually likes and does not pay for sex.

Overall lay count + consistency.
Laying 100 girls and then spending a year celibate does not seem like fun to me

If your fundamentals are good, talk to 4 women a day. Do just that for a month, and see where that takes ya. It is likely all you need.

Exactly!

As far as daygame/street game taking up to 2 hours a day (14 hours per week) I was counting the time spent walking - as you guessed.. not just the three minutes it takes to talk to a girl ; )

Night game to me is interesting - especially if you do it with friends - but I see quite a few downsides with it.

- Doing it solo isn't as fun.
- It depends a lot on the venue.
- It isn't always lifestyle friendly (i'd rather go on dates or see some friends at night than go by myself gaming in a bar).

Go about your day game is the most time friendly by far.
Dunno why more guys are not using it.

If you want my opinion, I find it difficult to believe online to be a reliable acquisition channel for hot girls - given that the barrier to entry is non existent.

It's doable, but harder than live game.
You have to really have:
good pictures + be a master dater + tight text game + really really crank up the numbers
(minimum requirements: 3 apps and +/- 100 msgs a day)

1. Time to meet them (in person) and seduce them
2. Some money - for your own place, car, logistics, cost of drinks, your fashion, clothing etc. and other expenses.
3. A job - providing the money above.
I know that when I have plenty of time to meet girls, like when I’m on holidays or when I had a job that I had plenty of downtime during the day, I had more girls than I knew what to do with, it was almost a part time job to spin so many plates.

This is highly dependent on your age and life phase.
- 20yos dudes can have no money, look like bums and still get laid.
- A 40yo man needs to tighten up, but has less free time.

 

[James Cruse]

This is highly dependent on your age and life phase.
- 20yos dudes can have no money, look like bums and still get laid.
- A 40yo man needs to tighten up, but has less free time.

What is highly dependant - how much time you have?
A 20yo dude is not getting laid, or not often, if he has limited time to meet girls due to his lifestyle, no matter how good looking and seductive he is.
A 40yo dude could get laid like a beast if he’s wealthy and retired and has plenty of time.

As per my point - they key factor is time, the secondary factor is money.

It's doable, but harder than live game.
You have to really have:
good pictures + be a master dater + tight text game + really really crank up the numbers
(minimum requirements: 3 apps and +/- 100 msgs a day)

Do you actually know someone, anyone, that you have physically met in real life who is doing this with these kind of numbers? Or is this just a hypothetical?

Go about your day game is the most time friendly by far.
Dunno why more guys are not using it.

Could you tell us how you do this yourself in a work week? How many approaches do you make per day like this & where?

Exactly!
I would add that mood swings and high vs low tides play a major role too!
When you have momentum, 1 out of 30 does not seem bad.
When you don't, 1 out of 10 may seem like a disgrace!
This is why seduction is so hard to quantify in numbers!

This is why you take large numbers and make averages, rather than saying - well I did 10 approaches so my meet to lay ratio is 1 in 10 or 0 in 10.

Ideally, if you want a more accurate measurement, you would say, I did 200 approaches and got x phone numbers, y number of dates and z number of lays, therefore my meet to lay ratio is ? in 10.

This would be basic statistics that would allow “off days” to even out over longer periods of time.

 

[James Cruse]

Then once they have a track record they can share their conversions and get help to be more efficient.

Part of the problem is who really has time or the want to track minutes on app/ in bar etc?

I don’t think anyone here commenting is a beginner, not sure why this keeps being mentioned.
Are we supposed to aim every post and discussion at beginners only?

Tracking the the amount of girls you approach isn’t hard.
You just do some rough addition in your mind and then note it down on an app in like 5 seconds and move on.
The benefits are actually massive, as I’ve found because it allows you track what is working and not working over long periods of time, which is very valuable info.

 

[POB]

@James Cruse

What is highly dependant - how much time you have?
A 20yo dude is not getting laid, or not often, if he has limited time to meet girls due to his lifestyle, no matter how good looking and seductive he is.
A 40yo dude could get laid like a beast if he’s wealthy and retired and has plenty of time

How many 40yos you know are wealthy and retired?
How many 20yos you know have less free time than a regular 40yo?
You are talking about the exceptions here, I'm talking about the general rule.
One thing does not exclude the other.

As per my point - they key factor is time, the secondary factor is money.
Do you actually know someone, anyone, that you have physically met in real life who is doing this with these kind of numbers? Or is this just a hypothetical?

I did this for a while.
It works.
Just gotta be organized.

Could you tell us how you do this yourself in a work week? How many approaches do you make per day like this & where?

Do you buy groceries? Cut your hair?
Take the subway? Have one hour lunch breaks?
All those are opportunities to approach and grab a number.
You just have to look for them.

This is why you take large numbers and make averages, rather than saying - wel I did 10 approaches so my meet to lay ratio is 1 in 10 or 0 in 10.

Ideally, if you want a more accurate measurement, you would say, I did 200 approaches and got x phone numbers, y number of dates and z number of lays.
This would be basic statistics that would allow “off days” to even out over longer periods of time.

Dude, I'm gonna be honest here...being this logical all the time does not help with seduction!
Tracking numbers is ok, but being this number focused takes your mental energy away from developing more important skills.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[James Cruse]

Do you buy groceries? Cut your hair?
Take the subway? Have one hour lunch breaks?
All those are opportunities to approach and grab a number.
You just have to look for them.

I think I mentioned this in another post - not alot of these places are good opportunities.
I have to drive to work, due to my job, like most people I know.
1 hour lunch breaks? Do you work for the government? No-one takes that long on lunch. Is that an american thing?
Go to a barber - no females there, and that’s on weekends anyway.
Getting groceries is one - but very few good targets there.

I think I saw a famous daygamer said this recently - if you’re doing the “go about your daygame” you’re not getting many leads and you’re not really sharpening your skills. You need to go out and spend hours per week (on weekends for guys who work) daygaming.
Gym and hobbies are good places to approach but it’s usually a social circle type situation after awhile.

How many approaches do you make per day on a work day?

 

[James Cruse]

Dude, I'm gonna be honest here...being this logical all the time does not help with seduction!
Tracking numbers is ok, but being this number focused takes your mental energy away from developing more important skills.
Just my 2 cents.

Why do you think being logical about conversion doesn’t help?

It’s helped me find what works and what doesn’t.
Being logical about conversion doesn’t mean being logical with women.

I would love to hear your conversion numbers or a rough estimate or is that too difficult to calculate or would it take too much time?

 

[POB]

I think I mentioned this in another post - not alot of these places are good opportunities.

Depends on demographics.
I live in a very large city, so most everywhere I go there's a lot of people.
Plus my neighborhood has two colleges and a lot of bars.
I don't have to look too much to find cute girls walking around.

I have to drive to work, due to my job, like most people I know.

I haven't owned a car in 4+ years.
One of the best decisions of my life.
And I know a lot of people that went this route.

1 hour lunch breaks? Do you work for the government?

This is standard where I live.
Again, maybe different demographics.

Go to a barber - no females there, and that’s on weekends anyway.

Go to a hair salon.
But if you have to walk to it there are opportunities.
Two weeks ago I was going to the barber and spotted a very cute chick walking in the opposite direction.
I didn't approach, but the opportunity was there.

Getting groceries is one - but very few good targets there.

Again, depends on demographics.

I think I saw a famous daygamer said this recently - if you’re doing the “go about your daygame” you’re not getting many leads and you’re not really sharpening your skills. You need to go out and spend hours per week (on weekends for guys who work) daygaming.

This I agree...but remember, you are the one constantly bringing up the time constraints.
Is go about your day the most effective? Probably not, but again, it depends on a lot of factors.
Plus if your focus is to just get her number, you are not spending too much time in set anyway.
Is it lower odds than staying in set? For sure!

How many approaches do you make per day on a work day?

Depends on the day and my mood.
I also have a main for the past 2+ years, if you don't know, so I'm not really focusing on getting side chicks.

My guess, based on recent opportunities, is 1-2 approaches per work day is very doable (if I'm in the mood for it).
Is it super consistent? Are the conversions amazing? Not really, especially compared to a more structured approach.

But I work a 9-5 job, plus my side business after it, plus on weekends I'm with the main and also working.
So I gotta work with what I can.

Hope that clarifies.

 

[trashKENNUT]

@Chase

Is there anyway to combine @Skills (2021 and ...) and this post and somewhat make it "logical" and/or 'linear'?

Maybe start the post from your response to me because that post really clarifies the state of the union of nightlife.

Retitled the post as "Nightlife Beyond 2021" or something.

z@c+

UPDATED: I just realize that the whole post has a lot of stuff, even from Teev, which is valuable.

 

[James Cruse]

Depends on demographics.
I live in a very large city, so most everywhere I go there's a lot of people.
Plus my neighborhood has two colleges and a lot of bars.
I don't have to look too much to find cute girls walking around.

I haven't owned a car in 4+ years.
One of the best decisions of my life.
And I know a lot of people that went this route.

This is standard where I live.
Again, maybe different demographics.

Go to a hair salon.
But if you have to walk to it there are opportunities.
Two weeks ago I was going to the barber and spotted a very cute chick walking in the opposite direction.
I didn't approach, but the opportunity was there.

Again, depends on demographics.

This I agree...but remember, you are the one constantly bringing up the time constraints.
Is go about your day the most effective? Probably not, but again, it depends on a lot of factors.
Plus if your focus is to just get her number, you are not spending too much time in set anyway.
Is it lower odds than staying in set? For sure!

Depends on the day and my mood.
I also have a main for the past 2+ years, if you don't know, so I'm not really focusing on getting side chicks.

My guess, based on recent opportunities, is 1-2 approaches per work day is very doable (if I'm in the mood for it).
Is it super consistent? Are the conversions amazing? Not really, especially compared to a more structured approach.

But I work a 9-5 job, plus my side business after it, plus on weekends I'm with the main and also working.
So I gotta work with what I can.

Hope that clarifies.

This whole reply is:
“Depends, Depends, Depends!
Oh, and I don’t do game anymore and haven’t for over two years because I’m in an LTR”

C’mon, we want hard numbers.