What Constitutes a 'Green' 🟢 Girl? 🚦

[Spike]

A girl could think you are hot shit but unattainable. Yellow... don't pull yet.

Increase attainability... Girl shows compliance... Light turns green.

Full speed ahead.

Except that’s how all seductions go, brother.

You recognize a girl is green (attracted to you). You don’t pull right away (“let’s get out of here”).

You show that your not autistic while increasing her horniness and pull at the moment you can tell she’s ready to go.

 

[Spike]

@Skills

On yellows/neutral girls:

With these women the goal is not to play it safe but to force/push/polarize her to either be no interested, red, unreceptive, or to be receptive, green light, buyer

So by forcing these girls to go either green or red….you’re left to only dealing with greens.

Because if after polarizing she goes red, then it’s a waste of time to further talk with her:

Time is the most important thing when it comes to seduction, your time is valuable. Cause if you are wasting to much time and investment in an unreceptive, not interested women, is time that you can be wasting in a interested, or neutral, not to mention it makes you needy as fuck.

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Lately, in my personal game i only deal with these [green] girls, since i am were i want to be when it comes to women, so if you have an abundance of other women, these are the ones you want to look for.(advance level)

Funny how you even said this is advanced level too lol.

 

[Skills]

@Skills

On yellows/neutral girls:

With these women the goal is not to play it safe but to force/push/polarize her to either be no interested, red, unreceptive, or to be receptive, green light, buyer

So by forcing these girls to go either green or red….you’re left to only dealing with greens.

Because if after polarizing she goes red, then it’s a waste of time to further talk with her:

Time is the most important thing when it comes to seduction, your time is valuable. Cause if you are wasting to much time and investment in an unreceptive, not interested women, is time that you can be wasting in a interested, or neutral, not to mention it makes you needy as fuck.

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Lately, in my personal game i only deal with these [green] girls, since i am were i want to be when it comes to women, so if you have an abundance of other women, these are the ones you want to look for.(advance level)

Funny how you even said this is advanced level too lol.

as always you take shit out of context, i said that due to abundance at that time that was all i was going for in 2016 (plenty of greens), so i said "advance" so newer autistic guys that were reading my blog don't go only for green context...

no to be confused with "advance influence skill level" .... get it! going for greens only is not advance game, since it does not require influence... Get the context... Or re read karea...

did you read the part were game/influence require with the yellow and the part that you don't need to do shit with greens, re-read

 

[Spike]

did you read the part were game/influence require with the yellow and the part that you don't need to do shit with greens, re-read

I read that you polarize the yellows to force them to either go red or green.

Have you change your stance on reds since 2016 and now waste your time on them too?

 

[Atlas IV]

This is mostly for the new lurkers and forum members who haven't yet learned about the huge Traffic Light Debate from half a decade ago:

The Traffic Light Method is weak and gay. Respect senior members

Lately there have been a few lame, dumb movements on the Boards. These movements are: Members who think they are hot shots because they follow the Traffic Light Method, who then go and argue with everyone else about it, trying to proselytize this Revolutionary New Method Members who think...

www.skilledseducer.com

Wow, I had no idea about this history. Thanks for enlightening. I can see it's been discussed to death and back to life again lol

 

[topcat]

Wow, I had no idea about this history. Thanks for enlightening. I can see it's been discussed to death and back to life again lol

wait till you learn who Spike is..

 

[Atlas IV]

wait till you learn who Spike is..

Velasco back from the shadow realm lol

I'll hold off my judgements on someone now based on their actions from 5 years ago (a damn shame that he chased off an OG contributor though). But after reading @Chase's thoughts on the traffic light system I see his point that it's not a helpful framework for seduction, especially based on those stories he shared. Seems like it only makes sense if you're doing 60YOC style game, quickly burning through sets in a target-rich venue. Otherwise it just creates limiting beliefs.

 

[Skills]

Wow, I had no idea about this history. Thanks for enlightening. I can see it's been discussed to death and back to life again lol

that is not the original wrong post, that is the aftermath here is the original, some posters just like to repeat themself true autists....

Attraction - Can it be Generated? - An Introduction to Compliance-Based Game

Lately, due to the confinement, we end up on the forum debating old topics - beating down dead horses. And I find it awesome that we see typical new school pua theory being presented, and perhaps contrasted with the old school way of thinking. Now what is this so-called "new school" ? well...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Skills]

Velasco back from the shadow realm lol

I'll hold off my judgements on someone now based on their actions from 5 years ago (a damn shame that he chased off an OG contributor though). But after reading @Chase's thoughts on the traffic light system I see his point that it's not a helpful framework for seduction, especially based on those stories he shared. Seems like it only makes sense if you're doing 60YOC style game, quickly burning through sets in a target-rich venue. Otherwise it just creates limiting beliefs.

Did you read my explanation, it was something done years ago when you were screening doing live tinder... Read my explanation.... it is outdated but nobody sits there an analyze is she red, yellow, green..... I used it as reference for clarification purposes, same as Ricardo...... A girl that was a freebie, you can use any term though... is semantics, no that deep..... stupid ass discussion..... System was used for years with no issues, till it was bastardized..... Nothing to do with 60 most guys back then used the reference.... mason, 60, sleazy, i, wm everyone....

 

[Spike]

that is not the original wrong post, that is the aftermath here is the original, some posters just like to repeat themself true autists....

The focus of that post was that if it was possible to sleep with girls that were not physically attracted to you (reds).

The answer as it turned out was that yes. But it was very low odds and you would need all the luck in the world to pull it off. So today I don't deny that it’s possible. Just that it’s low odds.

Today my focus is on optimizing for consistent results. And what will most likely bring me consistent results.

A mistake seducers including karea make is that they assign girls looks with difficulty. Why he compared going for greens as going for ugly girls. And therefore going yellows (and reds for that matter) is real game because that’s what you need to get them.

I recognized far later in my seduction career that you could actually make the girls who I thought were unattainable (I assumed would always be yellow to me), attainable, by simply maximizing your appearance. Turning yourself into their exact type. It was just a hunch I had but I kept at it. I kept experimenting and experimenting with my look until I started seeing that I was right. All of a sudden I had these really hot girls shooting me IOIs. And then I decided to come here to share what I’ve learned. Since I assume that’s what guys want. To consistently get with the girls they really want. Rather than focus on low possibility outcomes.

 

[Skills]

The focus of that post was that if it was possible to sleep with girls that were not physically attracted to you (reds).

The answer as it turned out was that yes. But it was very low odds and you would need all the luck in the world to pull it off. So today I don't deny that it’s possible. Just that it’s low odds.

Today my focus is on optimizing for consistent results. And what will most likely bring me consistent results.

A mistake seducers including karea make is that they assign girls looks with difficulty. Why he compared going for greens as going for ugly girls. And therefore going yellows (and reds for that matter) is real game because that’s what you need to get them.

I recognized far later in my seduction career that you could actually make the girls who I thought were unattainable (I assumed would always be yellow to me), attainable, by simply maximizing your appearance. Turning yourself into their exact type. It was just a hunch I had but I kept at it. I kept experimenting and experimenting with my look until I started seeing that I was right. All of a sudden I had these really hot girls shooting me IOIs. And then I decided to come here to share what I’ve learned. Since I assume that’s what guys want. To consistently get with the girls they really want. Rather than focus on low possibility outcomes.

You tend to take snippest of post to take out of context in my debunking screenin post i specifically make the poiint that green nothing to do with look but availability... But in general hotter women will have more competition in a general setting in usa ... You can keep your useless no going nowhere points... you just keep repeating yourself.. seduction has always been about finding ways to do things despite fill in the blank...

 

[Spike]

You tend to take snippest of post to take out of context in my debunking screenin post i specifically make the poiint that green nothing to do with look but availability

Did I say Skills or did I specifically write Karea? Because the quote, via KJ, was from him.

you just keep repeating yourself

Just pointing out for the newer guys that the post “attraction: can it be generated” has nothing to do with what I’m saying today.

that post was focused on if something is possible. Whereas I’m talking about optimizing for consistent results.

seduction has always been about finding ways to do things despite fill in the blank...

You’re fine with guys optimizing their looks to get better results with girls. But if guys want to optimize their location to get better results. Then it’s a big no no lol.

My goal was to consistently get with hot 18-21 year old goals. So I focused on finding a way to do that thing despite - my age. By moving to an area that had a lot of girls that fit my purposes. And then optimizing my look for them. Don’t see how that’s not practical. Like people are physically incapable of moving from a suboptimal location lol

 

[Will_V]

The focus of that post was that if it was possible to sleep with girls that were not physically attracted to you (reds).

The answer as it turned out was that yes. But it was very low odds and you would need all the luck in the world to pull it off. So today I don't deny that it’s possible. Just that it’s low odds.

Today my focus is on optimizing for consistent results. And what will most likely bring me consistent results.

A mistake seducers including karea make is that they assign girls looks with difficulty. Why he compared going for greens as going for ugly girls. And therefore going yellows (and reds for that matter) is real game because that’s what you need to get them.

I recognized far later in my seduction career that you could actually make the girls who I thought were unattainable (I assumed would always be yellow to me), attainable, by simply maximizing your appearance. Turning yourself into their exact type. It was just a hunch I had but I kept at it. I kept experimenting and experimenting with my look until I started seeing that I was right. All of a sudden I had these really hot girls shooting me IOIs. And then I decided to come here to share what I’ve learned. Since I assume that’s what guys want. To consistently get with the girls they really want. Rather than focus on low possibility outcomes.

I'm curious, do you think there is any substantial aspect of initial attraction that isn't related to appearance, but instead is related to energy (or 'state'), what you're subcommunicating, emotional contagion, that sort of thing?

Because for me, that is by far the biggest factor in whether a girl seems to like me or not from the first moment. I can see a huge difference in reaction based on what my face is showing in that first instant when she takes it in.

The effect of the rest of my appearance, as long as it's to a good standard, is very small by comparison.

 

[Spike]

I'm curious, do you think there is any substantial aspect of initial attraction that isn't related to appearance, but instead is related to energy (or 'state'), what you're subcommunicating, emotional contagion, that sort of thing?

Too inconsistent to say it matters what your subcommunicating energy wise when they look at your face. I’ve gotten approached while I was staring into space scheming what my attack plan for this bar would be. The girl from the last report I shared, I looked up from my grill station just to see if the customers were enjoying their meal. But as I scanned unconsciously (I can already hear, “you were probably unconsciously subcommuncating lover alpha vibes” lol)I noticed up standing there and noticed that she kept trying to sneak glances at me. I’ve also of course also gotten looks when I’m purposely subcommunicating brooding energy and girls lap that up. While also trying to get certain girls attention subcomminicating that same energy to no effect.

The effect of the rest of my appearance, as long as it's to a good standard, is very small by comparison.

For me I see girls taking the whole thing in at once. Your height, face, and clothes you’re wearing (and then in my case, they notice my tattoos). A very powerful 1-2-3 combo move that overstimulates and takes over their brain. Forcing them to throw IOIs. They can’t help themselves.

 

[KJ Francis]

Except that’s how all seductions go, brother.

You recognize a girl is green (attracted to you). You don’t pull right away (“let’s get out of here”).

You show that your not autistic while increasing her horniness and pull at the moment you can tell she’s ready to go.

Yes I meant escalate or progress forward, not just pulling. Could be as simple as closing proximity to build tension.

It's all semantics really... Seems you see colors as level of interest and I see them as levels of compliance.

Similar to attraction vs. desire. Warped Mindless had a thread in the past year about closing the gap, turning attraction to desire. But you could just as easily flip these abstract terms and define them backwards. Going forward I will probably use more specific language like arousal, curiosity, compliance, etc.

 

[Spike]

Yes I meant escalate or progress forward, not just pulling. Could be as simple as closing proximity to build tension.

It's all semantics really... Seems you see colors as level of interest and I see them as levels of compliance.

Similar to attraction vs. desire. Warped Mindless had a thread in the past year about closing the gap, turning attraction to desire. But you could just as easily flip these abstract terms and define them backwards. Going forward I will probably use more specific language like arousal, curiosity, compliance, etc.

That’s perfectly fine. I’d just like to see you put all these abstract concepts your talking about to the test. Like I see @Atlas IV is doing a good job of field testing the archetype theory. Proactively working on changing his appearance to better suit the girls he wants. While you can test going after ‘reds’ and show me how you were able to convert them to green by raising compliance levels.

 

[Will_V]

Too inconsistent to say it matters what your subcommunicating energy wise when they look at your face. I’ve gotten approached while I was staring into space scheming what my attack plan for this bar would be. The girl from the last report I shared, I looked up from my grill station just to see if the customers were enjoying their meal. But as I scanned unconsciously (I can already hear, “you were probably unconsciously subcommuncating lover alpha vibes” lol)I noticed up standing there and noticed that she kept trying to sneak glances at me. I’ve also of course also gotten looks when I’m purposely subcommunicating brooding energy and girls lap that up. While also trying to get certain girls attention subcomminicating that same energy to no effect.

For me it's very consistent, I've gotten to a point where I'm extremely self-aware of how I am presenting myself through my nonverbals (my face, my posture, and my movements). I can basically replay my approach in my mind from her point of view, and see all the essential elements of how she saw me. And the difference between good nonverbals and bad nonverbals is night and day.

The problem is that it's hard to describe in words - like what does 'charisma' mean? A great actor knows how to capture an audience's rapt attention and interest with few words and subtle expressions, and can do it repeatedly and consistently, but can he ever explain it to anyone? Yet it is completely real to both himself and his audience, whose experience depends upon it.

For me I see girls taking the whole thing in at once. Your height, face, and clothes you’re wearing (and then in my case, they notice my tattoos). A very powerful 1-2-3 combo move that overstimulates and takes over their brain. Forcing them to throw IOIs. They can’t help themselves.

Yes, women always take everything in to get an impression of you. And everything she sees has some effect on that impression, for better or worse. But - especially since I very often wear the same things and prepare myself the same way when I go out - it's very clear to me that the lions share of the initial effect I have on women is a function of how I am able to express myself in the moment when she sees me.

 

[Spike]

For me it's very consistent, I've gotten to a point where I'm extremely self-aware of how I am presenting myself through my nonverbals (my face, my posture, and my movements)

That’s great. If it works, it works and that’s all that matters. You reminded me of this girl at work that came to the expo window. Saw me and said, “why are you looking all mysterious?” And then my coworker who was looking at me, looked back at her and said, “he’s literally just standing there”. Which I was. But she projected mysterious subcommunications because I already know she’s attracted to my physical appearance. So my friend philosophy with regards to energy is more related to the image below:

 

[Will_V]

That’s great. If it works, it works and that’s all that matters. You reminded me of this girl at work that came to the expo window. Saw me and said, “why are you looking all mysterious?” And then my coworker who was looking at me, looked back at her and said, “he’s literally just standing there”. Which I was. But she projected mysterious subcommunications because I already know she’s attracted to my physical appearance. So my friend philosophy with regards to energy is more related to the image below:

Besides how wildly impractical that comparison is, those two have completely different levels of nonverbal communication going on.

 

[Spike]

those two have completely different levels of nonverbal communication going on.

Perhaps it would have been better to show a physically unattractive guy subcommunicating lover vibes to better make my point