Why should anyone take your advice? What's your credibility?

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Chase and Franco need not answer this. I would also like it if guys took this thread seriously.

One of the main things I look for when I am getting advice from guys, especially online, is their credibility. For example, I would not take advice about women from a guy who is still a virgin because that guy has not experienced success in the game and I think that is fair. So I want to get to know some more of you guys on here, this isn't an insult by any means but I would love to learn more about the guys who will help in my journey to doing better with women.


I know Anatman, Ray Zorse, Mr. Rob, Franco (obviously), and Chase (duh!) are legitimate player on this forum though if they like they can offer their reasons for why someone should take their advice too. One user whose lay reports I love reading are Oh Pry but I don't even know if he posts anymore. So here are some things me, other forum members, and even the lurkers would like to know about you guys giving advice.

1. What is your lay count right now? If you do not remember the exact number then an estimate is great.

2. Have you had sex with girls that are objectively very attractive? What kind of hot girls? Models? What? Describe the best kinds of girls you have managed to land for sex and relationships.

3. Why did you join this forum to other guys if you are doing so well in the game?

4. Lastly, why should any newbie out there listen to your advice when it comes to their goal of obtaining sex with nice looking girls?

 

[Mr.Rob]

I don't know man, no one has to take my advice.

Anyone that has been on these boards long enough knows I have a fair amount of lay reports and results in general.

I just tell people things that have produced my results as a mere invitation for them to try the same thing out for them.

Sometimes it's actual action steps and sometimes it's just a mindset change.

Here's what I recommend to people (my advice haha) getting advice from TONS of different sources (which I'm assuming is one of the reasons why you posted this).

I know on some of your threads Altair there is like 20 fucking people giving LOTS of advice (not taking anything from anyone trying to help) and it's like information overload and you wouldn't know where to start.

Here is what I recommend:

Since you can't literally take/implement all the advice people are giving you have to select what is the best and that can be tricky if you don't know credentials for everyone (obviously you named people with credentials so you know some people are credible).

Choose a piece of advice that you either resonate with most, one that feels like it's where you're actually needing to adjust, or the piece of advice you want to take the most (unless it's counter productive to your goal). Just pick one and try it out to see if your judgment is correct.

Now if someone gives advice with HIGH credentials (say Chase) gives advice and pinpoints where you're needing to course correct just accept they know what they are talking about with blind faith. Implement and see what happens.

Ultimately no one can really give you rock solid advice without actually knowing/seeing you in action in person.

Plus you don't know for sure if any of us knows what we're talking about. This is far out there but for all you know GirlsChase could just be a massive conspiracy designed to get you to buy shit. Like everyone here just makes up lay reports to get people to believe success with women is possible and get them to buy shit. Haha obviously that's far out but what I'm getting at is there is no way to know credentials.

Go on faith and make a judgment based on how well the advice worked for you.

To answer your questions:

1. 16

2. Ranging anywhere from mediocre- to decent/cute- to very sexy and stunning. Most have been in the "decent/cute" category.

3. I joined when I sucked shit in game. It's a great place to get advice from and as much as I gained from everyone's input I gain MORE now from helping others self actualize.

4. Idk results speak for themselves don't they? Lays are great for credentials but that's not everything that makes them up. Things such as pulling, dealing with crazy logistics, and a multitude of other aspects that goes into making up experience.

Thanks for referencing me in the people you listed I take that as a compliment.

Good luck dude,

-Rob

 

[ray_zorse]

Yes, I'm also flattered at the honourable mention, I wouldn't really have thought of myself as a serious player, more of an intermediate maybe (the structure is in place but there are still MANY holes in my game, on the other hand I have a process that basically works in my chosen niche and does nkt really require me to work hard or get out of my comfort zone). Uhh thing is I use GC as a form of relaxation ("time out" and time for reflection in my day) and write gazillions of posts so I can see how it might appear I'm a complete playboy, hahaha, kinda the same principle as TV advertising.

1. Laycount... since I started pickup I laid only 8 new girls, 7 of them this year... wasn't quite sure about last year so I checked this thread. Lifetime laycount is maybe double that, I am really not sure, had quite a few LTRs and rhe occasional ONS. But I must say there's the objective evidence that PU works... in about 7 months using PU techniques I laid as many girls as I laid in the 24yrs from age 16 to 38... not bad huh. And the advice I give is basically just the same info that's in Chase's ebook, usually illustrated with some amusing personal anecdote about what happened to cement that particular advice in my head. You should follow it because, if it worked for me, it'll probably work for you.

2. Girls I have laid... hmm 2 Chinese, one very cute Engineering postgrad, one a fair bit older... 3 Japanese, one quite beautiful 19yo (the hottest so far I think but maybe that's just b/c she was young, I do see more beautiful and well presented older women regularly... I really earned this lay, wrote a report but did not post b/c personally significant to me, maybe will post someday)... the other 2 pretty cute but older, although one has a skin condition... 1 Vietnamese about whom I cannot say much b/c she is lying beside me right now... 1 Aussie, not cute and girly type but attractive... 1 Latina, very cute, big tits and arse... ehh I dunno really, depends what you like, I don't go for flashy myself. I like young, I like Asian, but I am open minded. Personality is honestly more important to me.

3. I joined when I was a complete newbie and I'm still here, alrhough I hardly ever ask a question since if I'm not sure abbout something I just treat it like a question on the boards and try to figure out an answer, haha. It's nice to be around guys who took/are taking the journey alongside me.

4. Don't take my advice, buy Chase's ebook instead. I can't improve on that, haha, but I can help you figure out how to apply the knowledge or which aspects are more important in z given scenario.

Ray

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

Altair,

Yes I am new to the board so there are areas where I don't know squat. I try to not give advice there but I am in the same age range as radeng. My generation didn't have players and PUA as a know entity. Yes there were a few guys that knew what they were doing but the guys that have developed the deep understanding of the woman's mind particularly about sex hadn't arrive. Without doing into a long justification like Radeng did I will just say that my number of women I had sex with is not high but the amount of sex I have had is very high. Also the number of sexual relationships I have had with women that didn't end up in bed is high. This is due more to the morals that my parents ground into my head more than anything. So when it comes to understanding interpersonal relationships I have had tons of experience. I have been messing with women for 40 years. My point is there are areas where I and others can provide sound advice even though we are new to PUA. Remember Chase started this website 8 years ago. In the scheme of things that is a short time.

BDSC

P.S.I deeply struggle with the fidelity issue. It is why I have flaked hundreds of times and gone through some really really bad times. If I wasn't married I would be right where ray_zorse is.

 

[Estate]

Chase and Franco need not answer this. I would also like it if guys took this thread seriously.

One of the main things I look for when I am getting advice from guys, especially online, is their credibility. For example, I would not take advice about women from a guy who is still a virgin because that guy has not experienced success in the game and I think that is fair. So I want to get to know some more of you guys on here, this isn't an insult by any means but I would love to learn more about the guys who will help in my journey to doing better with women.


I know Anatman, Ray Zorse, Mr. Rob, Franco (obviously), and Chase (duh!) are legitimate player on this forum though if they like they can offer their reasons for why someone should take their advice too. One user whose lay reports I love reading are Oh Pry but I don't even know if he posts anymore. So here are some things me, other forum members, and even the lurkers would like to know about you guys giving advice.

1. What is your lay count right now? If you do not remember the exact number then an estimate is great.

2. Have you had sex with girls that are objectively very attractive? What kind of hot girls? Models? What? Describe the best kinds of girls you have managed to land for sex and relationships.

3. Why did you join this forum to other guys if you are doing so well in the game?

4. Lastly, why should any newbie out there listen to your advice when it comes to their goal of obtaining sex with nice looking girls?

Altair, instead of responding to your demands here... since you probably would put me in the category of "middle of the road" to you or whatever, I'll just say this.

Man... GET OVER YOURSELF.

Why should you take our advice? Dude, don't, just go wallow in self pity and don't bother taking the advice that we come on here for FREE to do spending our OWN FREE TIME in order to TRY to give back to guy who are now in the same situation as when we started here and got the great advice back then to succeed.

Also, why do we need to prove our "credentials" to you? What do we owe you? Oh, wow, you came on a free forum and people tried to give you something for free? Wow, sorry for being a jerk!
Are you kidding here? Nobody owes you sh*t man. We offer help because we have recieved the same and want to give back.

Here's the difference. When I started here, I SUCKED with women and had limiting beliefs of my own. It took a LOT of time and patients and practice but I persevered and listened to what guys here were telling me and what Chases was writing in blog posts. And it gradually fell into place. I could have just said "Yeah I'm different and your free advice sucks Chase" but then I'd be an ignorant jerk, so I didn't

Seriously, this one just made me lose my cool. This used to be such an awesome place for learning and discussing game. If you don't like someone's advice, don't take it. Nobody here has to "prove" anything to you because we don't owe you anything, nobody owes you anything, the world doesn't owe you anything.

Sorry to break it to you.

So your're questions, sure, why don't I answer them for you:
- My lay count. More than yours, less than Chase. Besides that, who cares, who, when, what and where I sleep with someone is none of your business. I'm not here to brag and gets pats on the back.
- Have I had sex with very attractive girls? Well, again, why the hell would I detail such personal details on a public forum for you? But here's a simple overview. At first? No, I never had, never believed I could. 3 years, on... HELL. F*CKING. YES. Because I listened to Chase, Franco, Richard and many others I'm sorry I'm not mentioning and they know what the hell they are talking about.
- Why did I join? I joined for the same reason as 99% of guys. I sucked with women, I learned, now I don't. And despite the tone of this message, I do like to give back to guys who are in the same position I was in a few years ago and might benefit from some help. Am I always right? Nope, probably not, but I just speak from my experiences and hope it helps.
- Why should anyone listen to me? THEN DON'T! Don't like my advice? No worries, ignore it. Just don't try to put down myself or any other member of this forum who have busted their ass to get where they are in improving their live and take precious time out of their day to come and help you do the same for FREE.

To Altair... get a grip dude. Stop thinking the world owes you something. You want it, go get it. Otherwise, forget it.
To everyone else... sorry I lost my cool here, but it's a crying shame this is what we're discussing on here nowadays.

 

[Fuck This]

I believe I've just been called out.....

I'm a 41 year old who has been married for 19 years. I started reading seduction material as a way to find new ways to seduce my wife and increase frequency and passion of sex in our marriage. I work in a technical position but I play a sales role as well. I've found the material on AA, building rapport and deep diving to be very helpful in my sales conversations. I've become a better wingman for my single friends.

In that time I've learned to better recognize IOI's from women. Being approached by women and recognizing those signs of interest, has boosted my ego, and the energy I project. That in turn has changed my conversations and interactions with my wife. I "lead" more and exude a more masculine energy. I turn the conversations sexual early in the day and when evening comes around, she is in a sexual frame of mind. The married mother takes a long time to get out of the stress mindset of the moment and into the fantasy mindset

It also has made me look back on situations I was in as a younger man and analyze what went wrong in the interaction. Mainly I saw a steady girlfriend as the ticket to frequent sex. That was the case for 2 years in college in the mid-90's. However looking back I see I could have cultivated more ONS's, and Casual partners through my social circle.

A lot has changed in 20 years in the female attitude toward sex. I'm also seeing a number of women my age who are divorced and are much more aggressive in their search for casual sex and more likely to approach a man and express their interest. It really makes a married man question his relationship, especially when things are not perfect.

Self improvement (physical, mental and spiritual) is not just for attracting women. It pays dividends in work relationships and satisfaction, as well as personal relationships. When you feel like if your relationship ended tomorrow that you could go out and get laid within 24 hours, that peace of mind lets you concentrate on your relationship issues instead of wondering "will anybody love me again?"

 

[Franco]

Altair,

I didn't read through this entire thread, so I'm not going to comment on anything specific here.

The one thing I would like to note is that Chase and I are the ones who decide on everyone's "ranks" based on a lot of criteria, and the reason we have these "ranks" is so that you have a general idea of the credibility of each person.

So when you see people who are "Space Monkeys" like yourself, it means they either have little experience and credibility, or they possibly have a lot of experience and credibility, but we haven't seen them post enough to determine that yet.

When you see guys who are "Cro-Magnon Man" (Rank 3), then it means they have a lot of experience and can be very helpful. Right now, you are still of the "Space Monkey" rank, so anyone who has a higher rank than that probably has some level of credibility to be speaking here given that it was Chase and I who gave them that rank.

With that being said, you should be listening to most of the advice that is given to you since you are still at the lowest rank.

EDIT: I realized radeng explained this above as well after posting this.

- Franco

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

Radeng Sorry I miss read.

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

I believe I've just been called out.....

I'm a 41 year old who has been married for 19 years. I started reading seduction material as a way to find new ways to seduce my wife and increase frequency and passion of sex in our marriage. I work in a technical position but I play a sales role as well. I've found the material on AA, building rapport and deep diving to be very helpful in my sales conversations. I've become a better wingman for my single friends.

In that time I've learned to better recognize IOI's from women. Being approached by women and recognizing those signs of interest, has boosted my ego, and the energy I project. That in turn has changed my conversations and interactions with my wife. I "lead" more and exude a more masculine energy. I turn the conversations sexual early in the day and when evening comes around, she is in a sexual frame of mind. The married mother takes a long time to get out of the stress mindset of the moment and into the fantasy mindset

It also has made me look back on situations I was in as a younger man and analyze what went wrong in the interaction. Mainly I saw a steady girlfriend as the ticket to frequent sex. That was the case for 2 years in college in the mid-90's. However looking back I see I could have cultivated more ONS's, and Casual partners through my social circle.

A lot has changed in 20 years in the female attitude toward sex. I'm also seeing a number of women my age who are divorced and are much more aggressive in their search for casual sex and more likely to approach a man and express their interest. It really makes a married man question his relationship, especially when things are not perfect.

Self improvement (physical, mental and spiritual) is not just for attracting women. It pays dividends in work relationships and satisfaction, as well as personal relationships. When you feel like if your relationship ended tomorrow that you could go out and get laid within 24 hours, that peace of mind lets you concentrate on your relationship issues instead of wondering "will anybody love me again?"

OMG TwoRocky you could be my twin brother. You said exactly everything I have been thinking since I joined this forum. Holy crap! You nailed it for me.

Estate - This is a damn fine forum and website. The lessons and information go way deeper than just PUA. It relates to many levels of men in many situations and covers struggles we all have gone through. I appreciate your defense of the site. It is valuable to a lot of us.

 

[Dude909]

You should spend less time wondering who has PU status and more time on the field applying the advice and see for yourself if it works or not.

I have read posts (other forum) by guys who claimed (maybe truthfully, maybe not) to have 200+ lay counts and that were as helpful as Cosmo articles. Conversely there were guys with modest lay counts who shared great wisdom. I have now come to look very suspiciously at guys who disclose their lay count.

What you need to do as a newb is 1) find out what are your main problems (e.g. for me it was escalating and pulling the trigger) preventing you from getting results and unblock them, using all the advice you can get until they are figured out and taken care of. 2) find out where your natural strengths lie (maybe it's looks, being funny, etc.) and develop a game that plays on those strengths so you can get consistent and effortless results.

As for me I will not participate in dick measurement contests with strangers on the Internet. Seriously?

 

[Zoro]

I think what Altair wants, is a little reassurance in this chaotic journey, that the advice he is taking in is solid. He's already got a lot on his plate with all this information, and thinking "is this really the right thing to do?" is just another burden.

Well on that note, I can point to the best person to give you the most relevant and credible advice in the entire universe. That's you bud, AFTER you've gone out and put in the work and see what happens. Reflection is fucking POWERFUL. Don't ask what should I say. Go say anything to 20 girls and then you'll have a much better idea of what to say. This goes for a lot of things.

I know that's been said and I don't care if we sound like a broken record because we are going to get it hung on a frame inside your head. You must go out and do the work. And you have been putting in work, keep it up! Trust yourself.

GC is a guide for your journey, not a free ride.

I actually purposely break GC "rules" and advice all the time. Just to see what happens, but more because I do what feels right to me. One reason is because I've been in a similar situation already or devoured enough information to understand what I'm doing isn't recommended and why. And I end up learning SO much. Just recently I posted something in the relationships board about having girls sleep over and did the opposite of what everyone told me, not on purpose, but it just so happened that what I felt was the right thing to do was actually opposite... lol. And what did I learn? I misunderstood my own question and learned I need to better define relationship types.

Even if there is a rank higher than Chase, Franco and the Tribal Elders called Adonis Spawn, they cannot walk the walk for you.

I hope you take this well, because this is just some tough love. I'd tell the same story to a brother or a friend or anyone.

We want to see you succeed.

 

[Estate]

J Wick,
I see what you're getting at and trying to take OP on face value, but....

He's been posting the SAME stuff for a long time now.
- He asks the SAME questions just phrased differently regularly.
- He's been given a LOT of advice from a LOT of people.
- So far we've seen VERY little implementation of anything.
- He doesn't have to do EVERY last thing thats advised to him but at least go out, REALLY make an effort and report back.
- Instead of taking the advice on board, it's just a constant back and forth where he wants some undeniable proof or 100% fool-proof method to get the HOTTEST girl on his first attempt, or he's just not trying at all. NOBODY has that success rate, he's unwilling to put in the hard work, or face rejection and understand there's learning to be done.
- He says he wants hot blondes yet speaks in a very derogatory and bitter way towards them.
- The threads imply that anyone not of the same race or social standing as him is "privileged" and has a free pass to "hot blondes". He can't see the woods from the trees I'm afraid. And I'm kinda tired of mine or every elses struggles being pushed to the side or being told we're "privileged" and couldn't possibly have the world stacked against us as much as he has... it's flat insulting of the amount of work a lot of guys have put in around here to improve their lives.
- Honestly, he's OBSESSED with these women, it's unhealthy.
- Read back his old posts. His general attitude is terrible. Everything seems to center around race and other issues which aren't helpful to the conversation.
- This one being prime example, he's literally called out EVERY SINGLE GUY on this board that we somehow have to PROVE ourselves worthy of spending our FREE TIME giving him FREE advice.
- This is distracting the whole forum, there's very little active conversation of anything really worthwhile here since everyone is just getting sucked in my this guy.
- I'd say he's trolling but the length of his posts tell me he's just obsessed and slightly delusional.

Again, he's been given all the advice there is, he just plain, won't go and try it, fail, re-do it and learn to succeed, just like everyone here who's managed to improve their lives.
Worse yet, even the most experienced and well versed guys around here can't just roll up to a bar or club or mall and just leave with the HOTTEST woman there EVERYTIME. Yet this guy seems to feel, without having even slept with ONE woman ever, or really even trying to work on things, he's going to get this woman. It's asinine.

And finally. The fact he's tried to call-out every single guy on this forum is incredible. Like we "owe" him something or need to "prove" ourselves to him when he won't lift a finger to help himself. I'm done with this guy and these ridiculous threads now. I hope we can all jump on board and start helping OTHER members showing a willingness to want to help themselves.

 

[Eternity]

^Word

 

[Richard]

I wish Nova was still on the boards to leave sardonic comments for everyone to enjoy =( In accordance with his memory, I will leave you with this:

4. Lastly, why should any newbie out there listen to your advice when it comes to their goal of obtaining sex with nice looking girls?

 

[Bboy100]

I have to agree with everyone here...this post lacked social tact and any sort of humility. Frankly, its kinda ridiculous. Kinda reminds me of a women shit testing me...its not something I would even give attention to.

Having said that, I can understand where he's coming from. When I was new to these boards, I was REALLY REALLY skeptical. Tbh, I had similar thoughts. I just knew that directly telling people that and asking them to qualify themselves would be a stupid idea. Instead, I resolved to try out the stuff you guys tell me, and if it doesn't seem to work, I would have stopped posting here. Thankfully, that wasn't the case.

At any rate, my point is, as someone who also came in a virgin and otherwise clueless about women, I can understand where the skepticism might come from. Learning how to pickup girls is a lot of hard work. There's a lot of bad advice about women and dating on the internet. Even from people who make money off it. And those are supposed "experts". And most people on here aren't dating coaches, we're not paid, we're not "certified" in any way. Imo, 3/4 of us know more than any kind of "expert you'll find on the internet. But for all he or any other completely newbie might know, a lot of us could be a bunch of nerds who are good at and enjoy writing plausible arguments/ideas but have no proper real world experience with women (there are plenty of people on other forums exactly like that!).

I'm not saying this post was a good idea. And like everyone else, I too felt amused/kinda laughed just reading it. But I have to say, I think OP's intentions weren't to be ignorant/ungrateful. But merely a little bit thoughtless.

Altair,

You're asking everyone to "qualify themselves" to you. The truth is, its impossible for anyone, even Chase to reassure you that his advice is completely sound via text. The only way you'd know for sure is if you saw it in action. Which is impossible over an online forum. And Tbh, a lot of pickup is pretty illogical. So you can't really reason through it and accept or discard advice based on logical conclusions. So basically yes, you do have to take a leap of faith and try out something which might not work. And that's ok. Because it still helps you learn. There's really no losing. Even IF the advice is bad.

And if you notice someone's consistantly giving you bad advice via testing it yourself, then stop listening to him. But if you're just writing posts, getting feedback, not testing it and just remaining skeptical, than frankly, you're wasting your time and that of those who are trying to help you. Instead of asking others to qualify themselves, I recommend you just listen to everyone and just go try it out for yourself. If it doesn't work, that's fine. You'll still have become a better, more experienced man by the end of it. Chase wrote about the topic too. See: https://www.girlschase.com/content/real-empiricists-test

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Bad form indeed, my intention was not to call anyone out but to simply know more about the guys on here giving advice. Yes I could have worded it better and I feel that wording is everything but one user on this very thread who I do want to call out is Estate. He has gone around asking for threads to be deleted and I have found that he is very confrontational. Now I get that it might be how he is and that personality gets guys laid but for this newbie here, I want to stick with Chase's Franco's and other guy's advice and not have to hear the shit I have heard from Estate. This tough love shit is not meant for me and I have not found much value in Estate's posts. I have put myself out there even when I did not want to go out and Estate has been the least helpful to me of all the users on this board, well him and HellAtlantic.

I do want to admit that I came off as a bit rude with this thread, for which I apologize, but I really wanted to know more about the people giving me advice. I am not going to take advice from some neckbeard virgin or some keyboard jockey, I want to hear from those that have been through all of this shit like RaDeng says he has. Maybe my wording was wrong but it is not unfair for me to ask more about the people giving me advice because credibility matters a lot!

That said, I am about to head out soon, contrary to what Estate claims I am trying my best with the circumstances I have been given. I think it would be great if Estate stopped giving me advice since I think his valuable time can be used in many other ways than bickering with me. I am sure he is a great guy and probably a credible source but I don't feel that his advice can really benefit me that much.

 

[Estate]

This thread is unreal. Here's a spade. Keep digging man.

 

[fsc]

I wish Nova was still on the boards to leave sardonic comments for everyone to enjoy =( In accordance with his memory, I will leave you with this:

4. Lastly, why should any newbie out there listen to your advice when it comes to their goal of obtaining sex with nice looking girls?

[image removed for sake of post length]

You took the words out of my fingers. This is exactly what i had in mind lulz

For Nova:
1. Over 9000
2. This is a tough one. I'm not sure whether my one night stand with Emma Watson was better than my 5-year relationship with Taylor Swift. Prolly the former because Taylor keeps writing songs about me.
3. To help those who are willing and open-minded enough to listen
4. Read #1 and 2

On a serious note, i recognize that my personal anecdotes aren't too helpful/applicable because I'm a Korean dude in Los Angeles, but i think i still sprinkle enough goodies in the blabbering i leave that you can use for your benefit.
This thread sorta gives us an insight into your underlying personality, and quite frankly, it doesn't seem like one that's conducive to attracting women. Sorry, but I'm #toughlovebestlove crew. Group me along with Estate, if you'd like. Personally, Estate's advices have directly helped me out. Heck, even Nova's short, asshole-ish, irrelevant posts have helped me become more laid back and DGAF.

Be chill homie

 

[Richard]

I do want to admit that I came off as a bit rude with this thread, for which I apologize, but I really wanted to know more about the people giving me advice. I am not going to take advice from some neckbeard virgin or some keyboard jockey, I want to hear from those that have been through all of this shit like RaDeng says he has. Maybe my wording was wrong but it is not unfair for me to ask more about the people giving me advice because credibility matters a lot!

You don't get real credibility by asking people to reveal why they're credible. On these Boards it's pretty easy to read what people are writing and determine who knows there shit or not; whether they have a rank or not.

Honestly, you're approaching this all wrong because if you ask any credible source for an answer on a question you will get a variety of responses and if every credible sources gives a correct answer then how do you determine which advice to take? By understanding your own style of game, and you don't understand your own style of game because you don't get out there and approach to find out and if you are approaching then you're not learning from your mistakes.

If you want to know a person's story behind their credibility then I will share mine; I have over 30 lays with various kinds of women. Nearly every girl I've fucked has been from a daygame approach I did, and of those 30+ women, 8 have been same-day lays.I got onto these boards when I was a beginner who was suffering from suicidal depression after breaking up with my girlfriend at the time. I used that depression and negative emotion as fuel to learn to approach women so I could get another girlfriend and then I hit the ground running.

Along the way, I had my questions, I got my answers (multiple approaches to the same problems) and I had to determine what worked for me. After over 2 years of gaming I understand my style of game and I have since then helped over 30 guys both from these Boards and from my personal life improve with women. I've made many many good friends along the way and picked up many connections to awesome people.

I've reviewed some of your previous posts and I have to agree with Estate on this one (and mind you, I disliked this guy for a while until we reconciled) that you are looking for too much, thinking too much and not acting enough. It's time for you to stop asking questions and it's time for you to make the decision to step up to the plate or back the fuck down because there is no in-between in this game. I don't care about whatever limiting beliefs you have, whatever you feel is holding you back - you're either stepping up to the plate and crushing those beliefs or you're backing the fuck down and letting your beliefs control you.

Make the decision to control your life - you will get nothing more from me until I can feel this decision in your future posts.

 

[Chase]

Altair-

Don’t ask, “How do I know if you’re right?”

Instead:

Real Empiricists Test

Chase