Why you should set your mind to F*cking mode only

[Drck]

We always see seduction from male's perspective, but let's see if this could be something how females perceive it:


Say you are a female 8/10, age 25-30, and always having lots of males around you. Abundance of cocks. You are confident because you have the power or rejection. You wouldn't admit it but you do want hot sex, you get horny and quite curious at times, just those guys you had before were not so good, they didn't give you what you exactly wanted - good fuck. Today is one of those casual afternoons and you are standing in public area, shopping.

You see a guy a couple of feet away who appears quite confident, stands erected but is totally relaxed. There is something about him. His face reflects some pleasure, he is not afraid to take a good look at females around but he is not creepy. When you look in his eyes he doesn't look away, he appears bold, confident. You can see that he is fit and healthy, he likes to move 'things' (weights) around, he simply likes to get physical. He has decent clothes on but not too fancy, he takes good care of himself yet nothing extra. Just a guy, confident, appearing strong. You can smell his sweat, you can feel his testosterone.

So right there you know that he wants sex, you just can see it in his face and eyes, and he is quite comfortable with it. You just feel that he is not afraid to fuck. Now you feel that your attraction and curiosity is rapidly raising.

Then you notice in periphery of your vision that he is looking at you now, giving you a good look up and down. You blush, you feel that sexual tension, and you get quite nervous. He must be thinking about it, and you are thinking about it too. Most men are usually not open like that, they are ashamed to look. But he doesn't move, just looks slowly away, and kinda ignores you, doesn't look back. What??? You are used to that every guy with balls running after you you and talks to you. He looks like he has balls so why is he ignoring you? You just have to get closer, stand right next to him or in front of him, make sure that he notices you. But he still doesn't do anything, totally ignores you. WTF is wrong with him? You get nervous even more. You can't stand the tension, you get quite nervous. If he really wants sex he must be looking at your legs and ass now, all men do it. So you just turn quickly around and look directly in his eyes. In stead of him moving away when caught like the other guys do, he just calmly looks in your eyes, smiles gently - and you just start melting. This is good, this is really good, you are thinking.

And he says something. Was it just Hi? He talks even more, wow, not too loud, not too quiet, he doesn't pretend to be some stupid Alpha who dominates his environment by being overly loud. He looks interested but doesn't get overexcited like all those guys you met before, he has no lost puppy eyes, he is not nervous at all. He is just calm, relaxed, friendly. He doesn't uses stupid openers, doesn't ask you for your number. He is not using any weird seduction techniques either. He doesn't even compliment you on your nice look, your tits, and just talks to you as if you were his old friend. You are getting too excited so you must talk to calm yourself down. He doesn't talk much, but at least he is pretending that he listens. He doesn't necessary agree with everything you say, but is not an asshole to show you that he can disagree with you either. Just a casual talk, except he always looks like he wants to fuck. Who the fuck is this guy? why doesn't he say anything about himself? Doesn't he get excited about talking to hot women like me? So you have to touch him. You touch while talking, and he touches back as if nothing happened, he just doesn't make a big deal out of it. Wow.

So maybe a quick coffee and small talk is fine. So you go for a coffee, and you talk and talk, maybe here and there you strike his leg by pure coincidence or grab his arm in an effort to amplify your amazing story about your interesting life. Your hormones are surging, you feel quite high. You smile a lot and trying to get him excited, to get his energy up. But he just remains friendly, remains calm, there is some excitement but rather low. You can't believe it as any other guys usually go overboard. All you can feel is that he wants to fuck, but again, he doesn't really talk about it and he is not trying anything. He doesn't have any interesting stories either, so he might be just boring like everyone else, who knows. But is he shy or bold? Experienced or inexperienced? Is he a nice guy or bad ass? Can't figure that one out yet. Doesn't he care that he talks to someone who is hot like me? Nope, he just doesn't give a damn. Maybe I am not attractive enough...?

So you start telling him about how your friends are having sex. Pounding and pounding, having great oral sex, sometimes even random, which of course you would never do because you are a good woman. Lets see what he does when you bring up sex - shy guys usually back up, can't even talk about it, and all those horny perverts jump on it right away. But this guy just smiles, takes over and confidently starts talking about his friend. How his friend is fucking his GF every day, how he stands while she is sucking his cock, how he fucks her from behind, tells her what to do, dominates her, spanks her and does other nasty stuff to her. You are almost shocked, you have to hear all about how his friend is having this amazing sex that you were always secretly hoping for. You just can't believe your ears - doesn't he realize that you are a good woman who he just met? How can he talks about sex with woman like you, without even having one drink? No guy before has ever done that, there are no guys who have balls to talk about sex like that!

And then he adds, if he weren't so shy himself he would definitely like to try it too, at least once, but only with the right person who he feels comfortable enough with, and who wouldn't judge him for his inexperience. He gets hurt when people judge him. WTF you think, this guy looks like a bull ready to knock down anyone who stands in his way - and he is talking about his hurt feelings? You are just confused. Ideally, he continues, she should be nice enough, pretty, gentle and understanding, forgiving him his mistakes and all his imperfections. She should be nice girl who doesn't judge him for being horny and just accepts him as a person, because it is not his fault that he wants to fuck, he is ashamed of it but can't really help it, that is how weak he is. She should be good looking too, he adds sadly. So is he fucking bold or is he just shy? Strong or weak? Doesn't he see that I am hot and pretty, nice and understanding person? He doesn't give a damn yet he talks about how he worries about being judged? So now you are confused even more.

You just can't figure it out, he says one thing and does another. Does he really want to fuck as he looks? Well, maybe you could teach him a thing or two! Maybe he thinks you are out of his league - and your hormones are pumping and pumping.

But this guy is good. Now he says that he's go to go to his place, and you finally caught him - he just made some unbelievably stupid excuse to go to his place, now you can be sure that all he wants is sex. At least he is honest about it. You just get more nervous, you bite your lips and blush again because now he is really talking about doing it. So you look seriously at him, the pressure is too high you even want to leave because you are not a slut. Your good friend did it, but you've never done this before. You would never do this stuff, only with BF, and he doesn't really seem to be good enough to be BF - he is not smart enough and doesn't have enough money.

But he just totally ignores you, doesn't even look at you, doesn't give a damn about what you think of him, or whether you are leaving too or not. He just pulls his valet to pay for that coffee. Not for both of you, only for himself. Who the fuck does he think he is by not paying for you? Every guy does that! You are kind of insulted, you didn't really expect that, so you just say it's ok, you got it, and you pull up your valet. You show him good manners, you show him that you have money to pay for both of you. At least he is nice enough to ask why don't you go with him. Well, he still didn't ask for number, he doesn't have that stupid look in his face that horny guys always have, and he is not pushing you around trying to dominate you and get compliance from you by doing stupid things. He is just normal, casual, just friendly, and he didn't fuck up your conversations by talking about himself, so you are still quite excited. He grabs your hand anyway and starts walking.

And you are still quite attracted, you want to figure him out, so you go. You are quite nervous about this, but he just remains calm, doesn't hint anything that could lead to sex, doesn't try to kiss you, hold your hands, nothing. You can always say no and leave anyway, he looks safe enough. So does he want to fuck or not? You keep asking. Could it be that he is impotent? Gay? He just doesn't say, there are no hints either. So why not go to his place, what is there to risk, what is there to lose? Just in case, you grab his arm to see his reactions. He is just nicely surprised, apparently he didn't expect that. He is not afraid of touching you either. So what is his deal?

You are getting to his place, and now you feel real surge of excitement. What is he going to do now - is he going to put stupid TV on and look for some great movie? Is he going to try to impress with collection of his toys or whatever he's hiding, maybe offer some drink? Its a puzzle, you don't know. You just hope he's not going to introduce you to his BF or do something other totally unpredictable and stupid to disappoint you. You secretly hope that he is a man he appears to be. Maybe all you have to do is just sit and overcome those awkward moments of silence before he finds his balls and tries to kiss you. But even now this guy just doesn't give a damn about anything, he is just happy and calm like before. WTF?

So you get in, nervous and excited. And he is really good - he doesn't waste any time at all. Now he starts touching you more, getting quite physical, but he is gentle. He moves his body against yours, rubs his dick on your ass and thighs, and didn't even try to kiss you. Thank god he is still have his pants on, you can't take it, you are so close seeing a cock and you are already wet. All you know is that he really wants it and is not afraid of it. Now he grabs your tits and touches your pussy, you must laugh. That is just too much, you are not used to this. So you have to pull away. Sorry you tell him, you are not like that, you can't do it, you have a BF but it was fun. He doesn't get red, he doesn't get upset, he doesn't start talking sex, just remains casual, friendly. And he just still doesn't give a damn. How can he still be so fucking relaxed and confident?

Now he comes back, starts touching and rubbing you again, this time even more. He is just bold and straight, he doesn't even try to hide his intention to fuck. It is just too much. You give up, you let him take your clothes off. After all, fucking is good, and he is not shy at all - he fucks like a real man.

And he fucks you, and then he fucks you again. When you think its over he pulls you back, shoves you on the bed and he fucks you one more time. What a horny motherfucker he is. Maybe it is not a fuck of your life, but close enough, this was just a first time, and unlike before your BF you didn't have to pretend any orgasms. All you know is that it was so fucking good and you are not sorry for that. You can't be.


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Obviously I'm not a female so I could be totally wrong, but I tried to see it from her perspective, based on my understanding and observing female reactions.

Now, imagine you meet her and you try to seduce her, approach her in some weird way, try to pull some smart opener on her. She would see right there that you are a nice guy without experience who is just 'in training'. So just be a normal person who is interested in sex, that is all. If you get overexcited she will see that you are like any other guy who can't control his emotions. She also knows you will be asking her for phone number, like five other boring guys today, and she knows you will try to setup a date with her - because you just don't have guts to take her for a date right now.

Imagine she gets to your place at that state that is described above. She already knows you want to fuck. By postponing it, showing her movies, playing games, being too slow and doing this and that, you are only showing her that you don't have balls to fuck. The more you are postponing the more difficult it is for you because the less balls you are showing. She already saw little balls, many times, but she's never seen big ones.

So if you are not thinking about quick sex you are (in her mind) automatically categorizing yourself into areas of BF, Providers, Nice Guys - guys who are boring and who take too much time to nail her. If you don't give a damn about anything, you will kind of give her some sort of safety, showing her that having random sex is not that important, and she doesn't have to worry about you as a potential mate. If you are pushing too much for sex and are too aggressive, you are pushing her into a "slut" category. She will pull away, reject you, she just can't be viewed as a slut. If you are too passive, relaxed and keep the excitement low, she can relax a bit around you, and if you are at the same time expressing sex with your body language, she still know you can deliver a good fuck. And when she expect a good fuck from you, you better deliver it - otherwise you'll appear as just like a fake.

 

[Marty]

Drck:

Nice article, you've shown some eye-opening empathy and understanding here. I expect you've known a lot of women very deeply.

Just wanted to pick up on one small matter I don't really understand:

So right there you know that he wants sex, you just can see it in his face and eyes, and he is quite comfortable with it. You just feel that he is not afraid to fuck.

Just a casual talk, except he always looks like he wants to fuck.

All you can feel is that he wants to fuck

All you know is that he really wants it and is not afraid of it.

She already knows you want to fuck.

you are at the same time expressing sex with your body language

How do you actually DO this, as such?

-Marty

 

[Eternity]

The top part described me to a tee. I have that mindset ,most of the time, of not giving a fuck how "pretty" or "hot" a girl is. There are exceptions with some girls i know but i resemble the man you described above. I assume women have noticed some of the things you described because some have given me the "look" as I walked past them in school or in stores sometimes. Unfortunately, i have not mastered the closing part yet that is where my frame start to crack and i start to lose my momentum.

@Marty: I think what achieves this "power" over women is in your eyes. I have a dark, intense stare. Somewhat intimidating but i assume hypnotic; which helped me draw some of the girls i liked in the past to me. My theory is: your experience interacting with various type of women and having other more immediate problems in mind create this "confidence/ aloofness" with some girls that draws them to you. Also, your stare has to have a good balance of lust and indifference to achieve what the man in this story possesses. In addition, the ability and willingness to walk away from an interaction that is going nowhere shows abundance mentality and balls to a girl. It means she is boring/annoying you and this will not be tolerated as you have better things/girls to do. Personally, I express my lust only with my eyes and a small smile, like Don Draper when he is about to bed a woman. (One of the few men in television who can pull this off flawlessly). Dressing sharp helps but sometimes intimidates women as they think you may be out of their league. Depends who you are and your fashion style, i guess, since I am having this problem currently.

 

[Drck]

In general, females are very good at recognizing how you feel, and based on that they can derive what thougts you have - without you actually telling them.

For example, most people can easily recognize depressed person. He is just depressed, looking down, doesn't smile, there is no life in him, he is sad, frawns. His thoughts are in sense: nothing is working out, life sucks, I'm such a loser with no friends, I can never get good woman, I don't want to do anything. Most can also recognize happy person: he is excited, looking comfortably at others, he is full of life. His thoughts are in a sense: Things are working out, life is good, I can get many women, I can share because I have abundance, I have so much energy that I don't know what to do next and so on.

So exactly the same way, women can also recognize sexy guy. The way he looks, the way he expresses himself, the way he stands and interacts with women. The way he talks and suggests things. When she sees that he is sexy, she knows that his thoughts are: I'm horny and I want to fuck.

You can FAKE depression. You can mimic depressed person by repeating over and over depressed thoughts: everything sucks, nothing is working out. Start looking into a ground, stop doing things - and after a while you will become depressed. The same way you can become quite happy, by FAKING and repeating happiness every day, just give it a time and you'll become more happy.

So how do you become sexy and horny looking guy? Think sex, think being horny. Think: all I want is fuck this gorgeous woman. Give it a time and you will become like that, and she WILL see it in you, she WILL know exactly what your thoughts are - without you actually telling her in words. She will just derive it by looking at you. Don't try to "look" sexy, just learn to have sexy thoughts while you are interacting with her, and you will automatically become sexy.


Lets reverse the story, now you are that sexy guy from above. It is inflated just to show the contrast between Nice Guy, and the Other Guy, but I hope it makes sense:

So you are standing in some public area, and there is this woman, about 27 years old and 8/10. You look at her and you think: Wow, she is hot, I would do everythign to fuck her right now and right here. You notice that she noticed you looking at her, so you slowly turn away. Good, she knows I want to fuck, just give her a minute to make up her mind, you think. Great, now she comes closer to you, she reacted. She wants you to know that she is there. Maybe she wants to fuck too! But you don't say anyting, just keep waiting patiently. You see that she is nervous - Great, let her sweat a bit, let her feel that sexual pressure. Now she stands right in front of you, she can't take it. You look at her legs and ass and think: Fuck, I just want to lift her skirt, drop my pants and fuck her right here, right now, and in front of everyone - that is how much I care about what people think about me! But of course you can't do it, you don't want to go to jail. But she turns around and looks directly in your eyes. She is just so nervous. Did she hear my thoughts about fucking her? I hope she did! But you only smile gently, and say: Hi, I was just looking at those same things like you. And you see that she melts in front of your eyes. She starts talking, is all excited, all happy. Great! She wants to fuck, she wants to suck my cock, you think (and who cares what she really thinks).

Now, what would Nice Guy do? He would see her, she didn't even noticed him and he's already going towards her and start with some stupid opener. His mission is to get a phone number. She smiles at him when he opens, and start talking to him. He gets overexcited - he'll get his fucking number! God, this hotty is talking to me. I am the fucking man! he thinks. So he quickly asks her for a phone number. Great, she is compliant, she took his phone - and she put her number in his phone! He then quickly grabs the phone number, smiles like an idiot, and runs home. Now he's got to analyze what has just happened. Now he's got to figure out when to call her and what to say, how to sound on the phone. He's got to setup a date. What clothes to wear, what to say, where to go to make her excited? He needs lots of time to figure all this out. He gets frustrated, but he's got her phone number, so at least he goes home and jerks off. Then he dreams about her, he is figuring out whether to kiss or on a first date - or second? How to touch her the right way? How many of more approaches does he have to do this week? God, why is life so difficult??

But you, the Other Guy, are just different. She is already talking and is excited, so why not grabbing a coffee? Good, she has a couple minutes, no no need to waste time on getting her phone number yet. You sit down by coffee table. In your head time starts ticking. You don't have much time, you want to get her to your bed asap, you have to be quick before she makes up her mind about you and rejects you. Fuck, look at thoses legs and tits again - why can't I fuck her right here, right now on this fucking coffee table? Why do I have to waste so much time by this fucking coffee table by talking and connecting to her? you are thinking. God, why is life so difficult??

And what does she think? Ok, the Nice Guy gets 3 points out of 10. He had the guts to ask for phone number, but he is just shy and inexperienced because he ran away. He'll probably call me within 2-3 days, asking for date. I don't know, he is really nice, but I already got dates setup for three other guys. I'll give him a chance, I really want to help him, but again, I don't want to reject him, I don't want to hurt his feelings. How am I suppossed to reject him if he is so nice? I guess I'll answer couple of his calls and messages, mabye show up for a date and talk to him nicely, and then I'll just let it fade away, stop answering and stop texting. I hope he gets it and doesn't get much hurt. And the Other Guy? Wow, he is bold, he doesn't really waste time, and he looks sexy. Action right, right here and right now, what a man. Lets see what is in him. 9 out of 10 points!

So now you are sitting by the coffee table, and she is talking and talking. Why do I have to waste so much time? you are thinking. I don't really want to date you woman, I don't care that you are so hot. I just want to fuck with you. I just want to put my dick in your pussy, shag you till you scream in orgasm, fuck you from behind, dominate you. And if you stroke my leg again woman, I swear I pull my dick out and jerk off right here, on your legs under the table. See how you like it. And why do I have to hear all these great life stories? Blah blah. Blah blah blah! Who gives a damn? I just don't care! But you also know that she needs some time to get used to you, she needs to create some emotional bond with you so she can trust you and go with you to your place. So you just sit there, say something here and there, vibrate with her. She is really nice, but you know that you can't get overexcited and you can't talk much about yourself. If you do, you are fucked, so you listen about her great life and stories, try to memorize a detail here and there so you can throw it back at her later on to make her feel like you are really listening. God, why can't you fucking love me already? Please make her go with me now, at least to the bathroom, and let her suck my dick right there! You grab your balls under the table, you already feel the tingling. I wish she could see that, my dick is already hungry!

What does Nice Guy do at the table? He worries about the conversation. Oh God, please make me say the right things right now, make me vibe with her otherwise she will reject me. How do I seduce her? Do I smile the right way, do I say the right things? Do I look dominant enough? Let me show her how great I am at conversations with women, let me tell her funny stories about my life too. What if she touches him now? Should he touch her back too? How ashamed he would be if she finds out he's got sweaty hands, if she notices - there would be no second date! So he puts his hand under the table and wipes his sweatty palms on the table cloth, hoping she didn't notice.

So she grades them again. The Nice Guy is a great conversionalist, nice and smooth, tries to talk loud to show dominance, presents himself as Alpha with some traits of Bad Boy. He would be good protector for long term, fun to be around, good provider. He likes to talk a lot, and he is trying very hard to keep me around. He gets 8 out of 10 for great conversations and great effort. But what is wrong with the Other Guy? He doesn't even try to have good conversation? He is just normal, not a Bad Ass nor Alpha, just casual, friendly person. No way he's for long term, he doesn't want to provide. But he is so damn sexy, he is not afraid to look, but at least he is quite careful not to stare directly at my tits and is looking at my lips only! 7 points, maybe 8 - for being sexy!

And now she starts talking about sex. What does the Nice Guy do? He is afraid. Looks down or away, doesn't want to talk about it. He is not comfortable, changes the subject quickly, gets anxious. What should I say so she doesn't find out I am inexperienced? He is afraid of rejection, he starts making jokes and deflect the sex talk to other topic. If this hotty rejects me, I won't be able to talk to women for another five monts like last time. I just can't take that many rejections!

What do you, the Other Guy do whe she starts talking about sex? You think: Finally she's got my message! It was about a time because my message is simple and clear: I only want to fuck, and right now! I just want to lift your skirt up and fuck you right here, right now. But you know you can't be too direct, so you make up some imaginary friend: My friend, you say calmly, is such a horny bastard. I don't know how he does it but he just goes out and he gets women, left and right. My friend is not afraid to look in her eyes - while you are looking in her eyes - and then he says: I really like when woman drops on her knees and sucks my throbbing cock! My friend is open and honest just like that, you continue, I just don't know how he does it. And you keep talking and talking sex, supriced at yourself how comfortable you are with this new women you don't even know. But now you notice that her jaw kinda drops, she looks at you as if she were almost shocked. Fuck me, you think, I said too much, I pushed her too far. Red alarm sounds in your brain: Emergency brakes on, now! So you quickly try to fix it: If I weren't so shy I would definitely try it too, but only with the right person who I am comfortable with.... And you think: I hope she forgives me my fuck up! She is most likely fedup with me by this time anyway for not much talking, she'll probably gets up and leaves, and I am fucking rejected. Fuck, this is alrady a 3rd rejection today, one can only take so many rejections in one day! But she just looks little bit confused, switches the subject. Damn, you think, that was close. But you feel that showing your balls really pays off. Now she appears even more interested. After all, she may agree to go with you home, to see your little friend!

Gradings? She gets the Nice Guy 2/10. He is shy, inexperienced, she will have to date him for long time to get some sex from him. He probably wants to kiss only, touch a little, then be romantic. It might be months before he finds his balls and pulls his dick out. Plus she'll have to deal with his emotions too. How is he going to fuck her if he can't even talk about it with her? But she gets the Other Guy 10/10. He just doesn't give a damn what she thinks about him, he is quite comfortable about talking sex - is he really shy? If so, why does he look so horny, how do I find out if is he's really horny? He just doesnt' say, more effort is needed to find out! How fucking exciting is that?

So you, the Other Guy sit by the coffee table and clock in your head is ticking, the coffee is almost finished. She is still talking, still excited - great, but how do I get her to my place so I can finally fuck her? By this time she should be already bonded enough, if not I have to deal with another 2-3 fucking dates! You hate those dates, it is just more thinking and more talking, and then the risk of no fucking anyway! I don't really want to date, I just want to fuck! So you think intensively, but there is no smart way. You try to say something smart to go to your place because the fucking clock in your head just doesn't stop. Your time with her is running out, tick, tick. So you throw something out there, unfortunatelly what you said sounds totally stupid, immature. Damn ut, you think, now she must totally reject me, I screwed it up again. You pull up your valet. There is no way I'm paying for her withour fucking her first, she'll probably leave anyway. Well, let her leave - that is how much I care! And you see that she doesn't like when you don't pay for her. What the fuck, you think, I just don't give a damn, she can think whatever she wants about me. At least she knows she'll get nothing, but great fuck frome me! But she pulls up her valet, offers to pay. How nice. Now she is leaving, you think, I really totally fucked up. So you grab her hand gently, try to put some smile on your face and say: Ok, lets go, why don't we go already? And she? She is quite hesitant - but she is fucking going! No way, the Fucking Game is finally on. After all, all this wasted time by coffee table may finally pay off!

Nice Guy? Coffe is finished so he puls up his valet. What do I have to do to get second date from her, will I look too needy if I ask her now? Should I play uninterested? Or should I call her tomorrow instead, so she doesn't think I am chasing her? He thinks intensively. I don't want to be rejected, not now, she is so sweet, such a good person. He pays for both and she is happy, good. Would you like to get another coffee? He asks hesitantly. How about movies, tomorrow or next week? She only smiles. Yes, we can go to the movies Next time. I will give you a call, she says. Right. I am sure she will! How fucking boring is that?

Gradings: Nice Guy gets 4/10. He is a good conversionalist, talker. He tries to look dominant, he imitates Alpha quite well. Now he will go home and think about her, he will create strong bond with her while dreaming about her. But there is a risk that he will start putting her on pedestal, telling her that she is beautiful, amazing, the best thing that ever happened to him. He will start texting and calling her non-stop, be envious of any guy she'll talk to, perhaps stalking her. Does she really want to deal with it? How is she going to break his strong bond towards her if she choses not to continue? Ok, she'll give him another chance because he's trying so hard, but she is getting really tired, with these Nice Guys it is just the same story over and over. But the Other Guy, well, he was not smooth at all, he kinda of blew it. But damn, he just knows what he wants and he really wants it and is not ashamed of it. He won't create strong bond, he just doesn't care. In addition, he is really bold. Why doesn't he try to look dominant, why doesn't he pretend to be Alpha or Bad Boy? But 9/10 for that great action!

Now you, the Other Guy get back to your place. You start touching, hugging, grabbing tits the second you open your door, you just can't wait to fuck her. Of course you have to be gentle and slow, like a lover. Finally, you feel that you will fuck her within minutes, suck her tits and ravish her just the way you like it. You will give her the fuck she wants. You are over 200+ pounds while she is light, some 140. She just has to give in, you are thinking, there is no way you can't overwhelm her physically, I mean, she has to be horny, how much more fucking time does she need to get naked? You are only hoping that she doesn't change her mind and runs away the last minute, so you stay totally calm. She just laughs as you touching her, she really likes being touched, but she pushes you away when you touch her pussy. It is ok, you think, that was totally anticipated. She just need little space, then I'll do it again, and then again until she finally gets that the fucking will happen now. So you start touching and touching again, and now she just lets you. Now she is wet and horny, you just know it. So you take her clothes off, and fuck her and fuck her. Damn, you already came twice. It might take a while before you get another woman like this, you are not used to 8/10: So lets fuck for the third time then, let it last!

Nice Guy? He opens the door. Ok, now I should kiss her, he thinks, but he can't find his balls. I found a great movie, he says, lets watch together. Sits next to her, doesn't know what to say. All this feels so fucking awkward, he should have just go home by himself and jerk off. But she is here already, so what to do now? He at least smiles nicely at her. She smiles back. He is so fucking excited. Ok The Game is on! So he puts his hand on her, maybe around her neck or touches her thigh. But she pushes him away. Ok, oh well, lets find some good excuse, no big deal. She just need little bit more time to be more comfortable. Lets talk about having another great date!


At the end, the Nice Guy gets low scores, 20-30's out of 100. He excerted so much effort, he got his balls busted blue several times, and he didn't get laid anyway. She had to reject him and now he feels so bad, miserable about himself. She feels sorry for him too, she didn't really want to reject him but he simply has no sexual value for her, his sperms are too fucking slow, too fucking nice. But the Other Guy got quite high scores 80-90's without even trying, he has high sexual value for her. He is not exactly a dating material but damn - he doesn't pretend at all, he really fucks like a man!


So don't just PRETEND to be sexy man, don't just IMITATE sexy men, don't FAKE to be sexy man - Become that fucking sexy man by simply thinking sex!

 

[Eternity]

Drck- Have you been this man before? Because you seem to have a good intuition on what a nice guy and aloof guy would do in this situation. You and me have similar mindsets when it comes to women. Perhaps, you can describe your experience with women in the past here or P.M your stories because you describe my mindset perfectly in these examples.

 

[Franco]

I haven't read all of the replies to this topic, but I did read the initial post. It's actually very accurate for the most part and largely reflects the way women (often) think, although I would probably make some amendments here:

And then he adds, if he weren't so shy himself he would definitely like to try it too, at least once, but only with the right person who he feels comfortable enough with, and who wouldn't judge him for his inexperience. He gets hurt when people judge him. WTF you think, this guy looks like a bull ready to knock down anyone who stands in his way - and he is talking about his hurt feelings? You are just confused. Ideally, he continues, she should be nice enough, pretty, gentle and understanding, forgiving him his mistakes and all his imperfections. She should be nice girl who doesn't judge him for being horny and just accepts him as a person, because it is not his fault that he wants to fuck, he is ashamed of it but can't really help it, that is how weak he is. She should be good looking too, he adds sadly. So is he fucking bold or is he just shy? Strong or weak? Doesn't he see that I am hot and pretty, nice and understanding person? He doesn't give a damn yet he talks about how he worries about being judged? So now you are confused even more.

I never convey to women that I am "shy and would like to try it." It'll come across as inexperienced as well as conveying that you aren't confident enough to get what you want, and that's not something a woman wants to hear about you, especially when it comes to actual sex itself.

Instead, it's better to tell stories of times that you have done these things. However, you want to paint a picture to the woman that tells her that being judgmental about sex is something that you are not. You enjoy sex, you are good at it, and you keep it between you and the woman you engage in it with. You don't judge her about her desire for it, and you instead embrace it and praise her for acting on her desires.

The "I'm shy and want to do this but am afraid to" thing might fly with extremely inexperienced girls (and virgins), but you're better off letting her know what you will give her if she follows your lead. I'm also not a fan of virgins or very inexperienced girls myself, so I'd rather let more experienced women know that I'm not wasting their time if they continue to give me compliance.

- Franco

 

[Drck]

Hey Marty, did the above answer your question?


Eternity:
Actually, these are real life experiences, just combined into one simple story. I've been a Nice Guy for a long time, so I know all of it.

I can't really judge myself, but I believe that I look sexy without trying being sexy (e.g. I'm not trying to have sexy look, sexy clothes, sexy attitude, haircut,...). I have lots of random women looking me up and down just by walking past. I have bunch of random women getting quite excited when I come to contact with them and start talk to them. I had woman asking me how much money I want (for nailing her, which she didn't say directly, but she did ask). I had woman offering me a free massage at my place. WTF? I wasn't even thinking about it. I had woman who gave me a regular massage at a massage place. I didn't talk to her at all, and at the end she just handed me her business card, with her home address. I had women asking me what is my secret. What secret? I just didn't talk to her at all! I go to a restaurant, hostess looks at me, lightens up and gets all excited. She says: I remember you! And I am thinking like, WTF? I was here at least a month ago, and I didn't notice anyone looking at me. But it is great to see you too, again! I had women fighting over me, right in front of me. That was really awkward, I had no idea what to do. I knew a girl, who was simply direct, more direct than most men can be. All she said is, if I want to fuck her I have to invite her to my place. She was 25, and was already decided to get married in 3 years. Not with her current BF, of course. I mean Really?

Once I knew a girl who was getting married in 5 weeks, she actually told me that she will come to visit me - when her hubby is away from home. She was one of those truly "good girls" who you'd never think that she could be unfaithful, just very sweet, and very pretty. Girl in love you'd think, getting married, and also very religious - and she is visiting another guy? Today she plays happy and honest mom, God this and God that - how fucking ridiculous. I gave up on "good girls", they may appear truly good and sweet, but they always have "the Other Side" in them as well. Always. Oh, and what a COLD BITCH she could be, just give her 5 seconds! I also knew this woman, she was unbelievable hot and sweet, also married. Always HONEST, claimed to be happily married to everyone, she would just NEVER do it with someone else. Right, my ass. Unbelievably relate-able, exciting, sensitive, loving and friendly, "good girl". Did I mention that she, too, was also able to literally turn on spot - and become the COLDEST creature I've ever known? Those experience were actually huge eye openers, now I think twice when I see those "sweet, innocent and cute girls". The way I see it today, ALL of them are the same: ALL of them have that SLUTTY side of them but they are just hiding it. All you have to do is claim it, believe it, amplify it, and show her that you are OK with it.

The hottest women I've ever known hit on me when I was totally passive, not even interested in sex or dating. So I've been chasing anywhere from great looking and great personality woman for months and not getting any, through several painful long lasting rejections, to meeting random great looking woman while walking to my place, and having her sucking my dick 10-15 minutes later on. I used to go to strip bars with friends, and I paid for girls working on my cock too. The funny thing is that I still consider myself as being shy.

And I also have LOTS of fuck ups. I fucked up on all girls/women I truly cared about, every single one. Only recently I realized that all those fuck ups have couple of things in common: (1) I was slow, didn't nail her asap, didn't push far enough. (2) I changed my frame, I was not being 100% decided whether to be a lover or friend, or just good long term BF. To be decided what you want BEFORE you even meet her and then stick to your decision no matter what is actually VERY important. (3) I presented myself as sexy and confident, guy who wants to fuck quickly and with no strings attached - but then I didn't deliver when she gave me a window, in stead I hesitated and pulled back. (4) I didn't have enough balls to take her out the very first time I met her, I just played it cool and uninterested. Yea, I'll take your phone number and may call you back later on, pretending that she is just one of the many hot girls I am going out with, and I randomly found her number 3 days later. Right, like she is stupid. (5) I cared too much about her. I cared about what SHE thinks and says, what SHE wants and likes - in stead of the other way. (6) I let my feelings for her go, fell in love with her - before I nailed her

Damn, and this one I met 4+ years ago - I talked to her only for a short time, but I still dream about her even today, that is how hot she was. Her image will chasing me till the end of my life. She is the biggest fuck up of my life, she is my 10/10.

So I believe that being truly sexy has to do A LOT about thinking about sex, and thinking A LOT about loving women. I spent LOTS of time thinking like that. My conclusion is that those thoughts are simply reflected in my body language, and A LOT of females can read it very well. When they see a man who wants sex and is not hiding it, but is not shoving it in their faces right away either, they get quite excited. Once they get excited they simply want it too

I also spent A LOT of time working on meditation, love and peace in mind. But at the same time I spent A LOT of time/years doing martial arts, building aggression and toughness, lifting weights and so on. I spent LOTS of time on building confidence. BTW, I consider all these fundamentals.

Recently I've been working on simplicity. I'm trying to avoid all perfections. Perfect conversations, perfect vibes, perfect look, perfect dominance, perfect way of talking, perfect sex. Perfect this and perfect that. Fuck all of that, fuck perfection. Just have normal attitude: Look, I am a decent good guy, I love women and I like sex, I have my feelings like everyone else, and do fuck up occasionally because I am just a regular person. Do you (woman) like that too? Ok, lets see what we can do about it: I'll lead you to my place because I know that you can't really lead. You can only follow, should you decide to...

Anyway, I wouldn't seek anything mysterious in "being sexy". Just exercise to look healthy and strong. Practice meditation and relaxation to look peaceful, gentle, perhaps loving. Work on confidence. Work on thinking sex. Imagine how you nail her right there, how you take your pants off, lift her skirt and nail her right there, at the moment you see her. Those are very powerful thoughts, and once your mind gets used to it they just become normal - and your body will simply reflect it.

Also work on building strong mind frame: It is what I WANT, not what SHE WANTS. We will do things MY WAY, not the way she says she wants it. It is important what I THINK, not what SHE THINKS. We will fuck the way I LIKE, not the way she says SHE LIKES. I DECIDE, not her. Start telling her to do things in stead of asking her what she would like to do. I want to nail you (woman) now, and I don't really care what you think about it. This will put you to a position where you are a leader, and she is follower. This will give you natural dominance over her, and she simply has no other choice than to follow. Said another way, you train your mind the same way you train your body. You work out and work out, several times a week, for weeks and months, maybe years - until your frame becomes strong.

The rest is easy, then you go out and talk to women, follow your frame and don't let her sweetness overwrite it...

What are your experiences?

 

[Marty]

Hey Marty, did the above answer your question?

Yes, Drck, it did, and very well too. And you did the right thing to bring it again to my attention, because I missed it first time

"Fake it till you make it" is a tried-and-tested method that works very well for me in the formation of just about any good habit.

It also addresses a concern I've been pondering for some time. Namely, how do you leave a woman with an impression of you as a sexy man, when circumstances dictate that it is all but impossible for you to actually escalate with her?

For example, you might briefly encounter a pretty girl in an elevator, but you know you do not have time to go through the sequence of opening, small-talk, banter, deep-diving, number-close and whatnot, before she arrives at her floor (or you do) and you are destined to part.

Or, it might be what Chase calls a "hired-gun" situation, for example you are an airline customer and the girl is a cute flight attendant, and it would be improper to hit on her hard in-flight, since it could be embarrassing to her in the presence of her management and other passengers.

Or the taboo of social context might make escalation totally crass and uncalled-for. A valued client of your company, for example. Or a mom from your child's school. Or the wife of a boss or close colleague.

In those situations, it seems, you need only look at her like you want to fuck her senseless—which of course you do—and do no more. And then you can be confident you've left behind a positive impression

 

[Drck]

Hey Marty. Yes. It is actually quite simple: Men in general have no idea how to create good emotional bond with anyone. Our brains are not built for that. But it is in women's nature to easily create great emotional bond with men. Their brains are wired for that. We guys are just simple - we see happy good looking female who likes us, and we fall in love with her right away. And she knows very well.

So when she meets a Nice Guy, at first she likes him a lot. The problem is, that she gets too excited because she really likes him - she starts smiling and talking, stroking his ego, creating lots of positive emotions... And he, thirsty for great bond with that good looking female, he just follows her emotions. He is like her doggie, she goes here and he goes there. She goes over there, and he follows. She says: Sit on your ass, and he sits. He does exactly as she says to keep up with her, he mirrors her great emotions. Those bonding emotions feel so fucking good, and he gets involved too quickly because he just can't control his emotions, he never felt like this before, he is not used to females liking him that much. And she? Its easy for her, all she has to do is smile and get excited. When he gets excited, in her head she already sees that he is creating very strong emotional bond.

But he's not much of a challenge, he is too easy. She knows he will fall in Love soon, and once a guy is in Love he is too careful to "hurt" her emotionally and sexually. He simply doesn't want to damage that great bond. He becomes too soft, too gentle, perhaps so weak that he won't be able to nail her at all. He just can't escalate no matter what, his feelings for her are too high. So she backs away a little to make up her mind about him, see how is he doing emotionally overall. She withdraws sex, and he in stead him going for it anyway - he just agrees with her. He only sets up another date, then another one, and another one...

And now his mind starts really spinning, he starts thinking and planning, calling her and texting, running into her, stalking her, he's unable to start sex anyway even when she gives him windows... He just can't see those windows, and when he does he can't escalate. But she just can't pull his dick out from his pants, after all she is not a slut. He has to do it himself! So that is just too much for her, now she's got to break this emotional bond... She really likes him a lot, and she knows he is all over her - but she has to reject him because he can't deliver. What a headache, this Nice Guy doesn't take the rejection well at all: he gets pissed, yelling, crying, begging, insulting, making her feel guilty... He's getting all depressed and chasing her even more... and she feels responsible for all of that! All that pain just because she had such a great feelings for him. Oh well, now she has to be very careful with the next Nice Guy. The next Nice Guy won't have it so easy, she'll reject him much sooner so she doesn't have to deal with all of that pain. Unfortunately, as she finds out very quickly, majority of all guys she meets are Nice Guys, no matter how they pretend...

And then she meets the Other Guy. He is little bit different. He doesn't bond to her too much. He doesn't mirror her emotions, he is not a puppy on her leash. She also likes him a lot, especially when he is sexy and loving. So now she has to starts wondering - how come he doesn't bond that much to her? She just has to find out - does he like me or not? What do I have to do to create a strong bond with him? Now it is her who's head starts spinning. Now she starts mirroring his emotions (which, of course, only by pure coincidence radiate love, pleasure and sex), now she starts following his lead. Now she has to invest into him. In addition, he makes her feel so fucking sexy, there is just pure pleasure and sex radiating from him, that she just needs to find out why. She feels that he wants to fuck righ now - well, and now she feels exactly the same way! After all, she does love sex, the whole mission of her life is to have pleasure and sex!

So if the the Nice Guy bonds 100% and total Asshole bonds only 0%, she is trying to prove herself by bonding to that Bad Guy - while she doesn't have to worry much about bonding with the Nice Guy. The Asshole is also very attractive, likable and sexy. He is a huge challenge to her because he doesn't bond at all. She likes him a lot but he doesn't give a damn about her at all, so she is thinking, working on him, starts chasing him... Now she is the one who falls in Love. He can beat her up, abuse her, and the more he does that the more she bonds to him to prove herself to him. She is kinda screwed...

On the other hand, you, the Other Guy, want to keep that emotional bond say at 30%. You are still very high challenge to her, she has to invest a lot into you, she's got to do a lot to keep you around and prove herself to you - but she also feels lots of love and pleasure from you, she feels that desire for sex. And, you are able to nail her like a man, because you simply don't care that much about creating and breaking that great emotional bond with her...

So next time, when you stand in an elevator with that Pretty Girl (after all, she has a name, no?), just imagine that you are nailing her right there, and that she loves it, that it is just a pure pleasure to her! No shame, no wasting time on openers, no seduction or any planning at all... You just give her a good look and gentle smile, you just watch your emotions so they don't get high, you just worry about how to become that sexy motherfucker who can nail her - and lets just see what SHE WILL do, lets see how SHE WILL SEDUCE YOU, and ideally: How SHE ESCALLATES WITH YOU!

 

[Eternity]

You hit the nail on the head again man! It was almost exactly how it went down in that P.M I sent you, the emotional bonding part. Wish I knew all this back in the day, would've saved me so many headaches.

 

[Gentle_Phrases]

Drck,

I'm loving reading your posts here. I went out yesterday with the explicit goal of imagining sexy scenarios with every girl that I opened. In the moment, it was just too difficult to focus on conversation and do that at the same time hahaha! It was like patting your head with one hand and rubbing your belly with the other.

However, it did click during one set. Now, maybe this is a flaw with my mindset: what do you guys do when you pop a raging stiffy in the middle of a set with a girl you've cold approached? I'm talking highly visible, code red zipper tents when you've barely gotten the hook.

 

[Marty]

It's actually very accurate for the most part and largely reflects the way women (often) think

This whole forum is a goldmine, and there's a fair number of people here who, I can sense, really know what they're talking about. I'm not going to attempt to name them since I'm not in a position to make that call, and I'd probably forget someone, but I think it's pretty obvious to the observant reader when that's the case.

I'd like to echo what Gentle Phrases and Eternity said: this thread is tremendously thought-provoking. Drck writes in a very distinctive style that is a little difficult to get used to, as it differs from the more customary tone on this forum, but I'm always curious what he has to say.

 

[foggy]

I thought this thread was helpful and felt like it could help some other guys too

 

[Drck]

Yea, I had to re-read some of the stuff as I forgot, but that is a POWER. You can literally seduce girl just by looking at her, it happens again and again, just last week the same story. She will come close to you, she will stand right in front of you, or anywhere within 2-3 feet away from you so you can't miss her. She will come two even three times so you can't miss her... Here is a quick summary of the story:


* Set you mind to Mind-fucking mode. All you want is to fuck her, it's got to be on your mind, yet you can't be too direct about it. You can't be shy, you have to be ready to fuck her brains out. She can talk as much as she wants, she can shit-test you as much as she wants. It doesn't matter, you smile, you shrug your shoulders, you make sure that you don't over-react - and just keep your mind in Mind-fucking mode...

* Confidence - the higher the better. Women crave confident men

* Relaxation - shows that you feel good in your skin, keep relaxed yet half-erected posture. She will mirror you, thus she will also be relaxed

* Be Genuine - do not pretend to be who you are not. She will figure you out. If you are inexperienced, be inexperienced but interested. If you nailed 10 girls, you nailed 10 girls, and you are interested in nailing another one. If you nailed 100, you nailed 100. Do not pretend anything else. Do not pretend to be Alpha if you are not. Forget all sexiness, forget all dominance and all cockiness - just be genuine...

* Maturity - you simply keep moving forward getting laid in any little steps you can, without being obvious about it. You are not a boy, you are not a clown, you are a man. Man fuck woman, he doesn't appologize for it, and woman love it - that is how it is, get used to it, you just won't hear it in TV because they have it all backwards in TV... Trust me, once you hint that you want to take her to your place, she will know right away what you want to do. If she decides to go with you, right there all seduction is done. No more seduction is needed, she is already decided to sleep with you. There is no need to be more sexy and more dominant than you already are...


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If Eternity reads this: Dude, there is still so much more about that Latina we talked about through messaging couple months ago. You were right, that is exactly how it appears, yet at the same time very wrong because there is so much underlying stuff beneath... She simply fell into auto-rejection because I was 2-3 Value levels higher than she. She really wanted to fuck but was so afraid of rejection that she just couldn't. So what I did is, I lowered my dominance and started to chase her, started to prove myself to her like a nice guy, I sort of put her on pedestal (within reason). So now we have the same perceived "value". Whoala, she is interested again and was all this time, she just wants to be in control of the situation as she has a severe fear of rejection. In other words, she will rather reject a guy who she really wants to fuck than face rejection herself. So she wants to keep all the cards to herself, she wants to be able to reject me anytime she wants. It's actually quite amazing and still developing story, maybe I'll share one of those nice days...