WTF?

[Mr Mistah]

To clarify, are you talking about guys you actually know in real life who you have seen pulling girls (not just talking with them) with this level of ease, or are you talking about Instagram influencers getting upfront attention from excited girls while on camera?

Because those are two totally different things. Again, I think you're imagining and projecting stuff that you haven't independently verified.

I have never seen anything like King irl

But I've noticed guys getting more results with minimal work i.e my coworker

Here's an example:

A new chick joined. Good looking. Got a lot of the guys interest. A while back as folks were leaving the bar where we usually hangout after work she asked to go with him to his car. She was attracted

I know this doesnt really mean much bc Reaction =/= Results etc but the fact that he can get this new girl with all these suitors attracted withoug them talking all that much (bar was too loud) and trying to isolate is amusing to me

From the way you asked this question seems like you feel like all the King things are fake and scripted?

I'm excellent at reading body language.

If those reactions from the girls are scripted then those are some bloody talented actresses.

We need to capture them and study them in a lab

If you get girls giving you these advances why are you not closing them then?

It seems like women do give you opportunities but you are not taking advantage

Maybe that's why you so obsessed with this King Guy

Because I highly doubt if you were sealing the deal often you would even make a post like this

Therefore even though you probably can still improve your fundies, there is still lots of improvements to be made in your game department too

Two things:

1. I am not interested in every girl that compliments me

2. Not every girl that compliments me is interested in me

I have done some things with the ones I like: make out, finger them, ass grab and so forth

Infact, if I decided I want to get laid this very minute, I can text one of these girls and they will be at my doorstep

So this "obsession with king" as you say is not from a lack of opportunity but mostly about seeking greater efficiency

I'm getting interest from three four girls while my coworker is getting it from ten. King probably hundreds

What do I need to do to fill that gap.

That said I will agree with you that my game is still work in progress and by all means nowhere near perfect

Wouldn't be here otherwise

look at the chain he’s wearing around his neck. His tattoos. The brands of the clothes he wears. His haircut. Think about how much he spends on skincare, teeth care, to look that good. That is a lot of money and effort . If you want those sorts of reactions from those types of girls, you have to go beyond the basic fundamentals.

Makes sense.

If I want extraordinary interactions off the jump, I need extraordinary fundamentals

 

[Mr Mistah]

Also @Mr Mistah I recogized your name then saw you said this about someone else recently



So first you whine and complain about a guy that is not a Chad that has superior game than you

Then later you complain about a guy that is a Chad that supposedly uses less game than you

Seems like no matter the scenario, you find a way to focus on other men’s success in way that makes you feel inferior

Look man you can work on your fundamentals all you want, but if you don't level up your mindset and game as well. . .

I guarantee you will still struggle

So if you really want some help post more field reports of you actually trying to fuck women. And make less posts of you complaining about other men that are doing better than you

"Whine" "Complain" "Obsessed"

All these strong words for what?

I post these questions because I'm in the field observing people doing better than me and trying to replicate their methods

How is that "whining"?

And why do you assume that I'm not working on my game?

 

[TomInHo]

"Whine" "Complain" "Obsessed"

All these strong words for what?

I post these questions because I'm in the field observing people doing better than me and trying to replicate their methods

How is that "whining"?

And why do you assume that I'm not working on my game?

You are whining

Infact, if I decided I want to get laid this very minute, I can text one of these girls and they will be at my doorstep

Then text one of those girls and stop wasting everyone's time with this nonsense. Then write a lay report about it

I'm getting interest from three four girls while my coworker is getting it from ten. King probably hundreds

Then fuck those 3 or 4 women that like you, or improve your fundamentals already so more girls show interest

I post these questions because I'm in the field observing people doing better than me and trying to replicate their methods

How is that "whining"?

That's exactly the problem

You making a post about how a 6'8 guy that dresses in designer clothes and has a camera crew following him around gets attention from women

Just lolz

It not freaking rocket science

And why do you assume that I'm not working on my game?

Because I haven't seen you post anything about a specific girls or how to solve a specific problem in your game. Too focused on what everyone else is doing and letting the frustration get to you too much

 

[Atlas IV]

From the way you asked this question seems like you feel like all the King things are fake and scripted?

Never said that. The point I'm trying to make is that the only thing that actually matters is whether P goes in V. Everything else is just projecting results from reactions.

You said that King just teases these girls, sometimes makes out with them, but never actually bangs any of them. Okay.

You said that your coworker is flirting with and getting attention from lots of girls at your workplace, but doesn't bang any of them because he's married. Okay.

So there are no girls getting banged in any of these situations.

Please tell me what does this have to do with banging girls?

FYI regarding the spotlight effect - I've just spent the past few months in a country where girls would come up to me on the street and ask for my contact. I was like a superstar everywhere I went. Heads turned when they saw me go by. I'd stop to have an interaction with someone and a small crowd would form. I went viral on social media. I could ask almost any girl for her contact and get it.

Let me tell you, it made absolutely NO difference in results. If anything it was harder to pull than in places where I more or less "fly under the radar", presumably because it amplified their ASD or something.

So I really don't get why you're so focused on this King guy. He's not even remotely in the same social frame as you, and most importantly he's not even actually banging any of these girls...

 

[Mr Mistah]

I haven't seen you post anything about a specific girls or how to solve a specific problem in your game. Too focused on what everyone else is doing and letting the frustration get to you too much

Dear Friend,

Were were having a meaningful discussion in the beginning.

But now all I sense is anger and frustration and it really saddens me and makes me want to kms.

Where did I lose you habibi?

Is it because I said I want to get badder bitches than the ones I already have?

Or is it because I said I don't want to fuck 3 bad bitches, I want to fuck ten. Then twenty. A hundred. Possibly a million?

Or is it because I said I want to fuck said bad bitches with minimal effort and maximum efficiency?

Or maybe its because I come here asking about guys who I see pulling bad bitches using methods I'm not familiar with and arent explicitly written about on the site.

Or maybe its because you haven't seen the other questions I have asked about specific girls before.

Is that what's making you angry habibi?

 

[Spike]

Please tell me what does this have to do with banging girls?

The girls in the videos are always either trying to head back to his place or have him come with them to get late night food before they all go home together. If he wanted to get laid, all he has to say is yes lol.

In no way shape or form does that diminish the immediate impact strong fundementals have on very attractive girls just because he’s always declining their offers.

Let me tell you, it made absolutely NO difference in results. If anything it was harder to pull than in places where I more or less "fly under the radar", presumably because it amplified their ASD or something

This is interesting. My inclination is to say this is a cultural thing. I think by now a lot of the girls where I live (also a small town/city) know who I am and what I’m after. But that doesn’t stop them from coming back home with me.

 

[TomInHo]

Dear Friend,

Were were having a meaningful discussion in the beginning.

But now all I sense is anger and frustration and it really saddens me and makes me want to kms.

Where did I lose you habibi?

Is it because I said I want to get badder bitches than the ones I already have?

Or is it because I said I don't want to fuck 3 bad bitches, I want to fuck ten. Then twenty. A hundred. Possibly a million?

Or is it because I said I want to fuck said bad bitches with minimal effort and maximum efficiency?

Or maybe its because I come here asking about guys who I see pulling bad bitches using methods I'm not familiar with and arent explicitly written about on the site.

Or maybe its because you haven't seen the other questions I have asked about specific girls before.

Is that what's making you angry habibi?

Nah it's okay

 

[Mr Mistah]

Nah it's okay

Thank you Habibi

You are a good man

 

[Mr Mistah]

Never said that. The point I'm trying to make is that the only thing that actually matters is whether P goes in V. Everything else is just projecting results from reactions.

I follow what you're saying but I think you're zeroing in on the Reactions vs Results abit too much

By the time a girl is volunteering to go back to your place, you have them.

You don't have them because you haven't fucked them.

But you have them

Please tell me what does this have to do with banging girls?

Lol Jeffrey Eipstein used to use this line in response to anything unimportant to him

"What does that have to do with getting pussy?"

FYI regarding the spotlight effect -

Point of correction

The cameras following King are for the most part usually hidden

So he doesnt really have that rockstar celebrity allure

You said that King just teases these girls, sometimes makes out with them, but never actually bangs any of them. Okay.

You said that your coworker is flirting with and getting attention from lots of girls at your workplace, but doesn't bang any of them because he's married. Okay.

So there are no girls getting banged in any of these situations.

The girls aren't being banged.

But if these gents wanted to bang them, they could

 

[TomInHo]

The cameras following King are for the most part usually hidden

The cameras are not hidden

TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[Skills]

Just lol kin guy looks exactly like the black natural that taught me game, same body and height and even similar facial hair, minus the tats(tats was not thing back then).... and this was in Miami by the way...

He was getting laid and got iois, but he had to put work.....

 

[Skills]

Guys i could not find my original chart but i found this chart here from research, can one of the nerds in the forum explain to me the height stuff, i did not get it....

New Research Analyzes Height, Weight, Income and More In Regards to Sex and Dating - How does your BMI, how tall you are, and your job, influence your attractiveness?

The idiom “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” has been used by everyone from Shakespeare to Benjamin Franklin, but what happens if you survey thousands of ‘beholders’ to try and get down to the bottom of what specifically beauty really means? That’s exactly what Crean College of Health and...

blogs.chapman.edu

 

[theReason]

Guys i could not find my original chart but i found this chart here from research, can one of the nerds in the forum explain to me the height stuff, i did not get it....

New Research Analyzes Height, Weight, Income and More In Regards to Sex and Dating - How does your BMI, how tall you are, and your job, influence your attractiveness?

The idiom “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” has been used by everyone from Shakespeare to Benjamin Franklin, but what happens if you survey thousands of ‘beholders’ to try and get down to the bottom of what specifically beauty really means? That’s exactly what Crean College of Health and...

blogs.chapman.edu

According to this study, from 5’4” to 6’4” you get basically the same average bodycount.

Very small increase with height, but pretty much same.

At 5’2” and 5’3” you start getting a manlet dropoff in average bodycount, but it’s high variance, meaning some guys get fucking nothing, some guys do very well.

At 6’5” and up you have generally a significant increase over being 5’4”. But it’s also high variance, meaning some guys really make the most of their competitive advantage, while some other super tall guys may as well be 5’4”.

 

[James D]

is cleaning up with the ladies despite me being here longer.

You being here longer has little to zero bearing on your ability to clean up with chicks vs his. If aything, the longer you've been there, the more set your status is, which doesn't seem very good compared to his current status.

He's tall af.

Girs love that.

He stands out.

This cat is in a place of authority, married but also an extroverted party goer.

Dynamite for female arousal.

What am I missing?

How do I compete???

By finding ways to stand out based on things you can alter.

Dress so well you become known as the most fashionable guy at work.

Get lean and ripped so you look great in office clothes.

Develop your charm and charisma.

And above all, meet girls outside of work. You're deep in scarcity mindset. Change that ASAP.

 

[Skills]

According to this study, from 5’4” to 6’4” you get basically the same average bodycount.

Very small increase with height, but pretty much same.

At 5’2” and 5’3” you start getting a manlet dropoff in average bodycount, but it’s high variance, meaning some guys get fucking nothing, some guys do very well.

At 6’5” and up you have generally a significant increase over being 5’4”. But it’s also high variance, meaning some guys really make the most of their competitive advantage, while some other super tall guys may as well be 5’4”.

Matches what i have heard from women and similar to what i had in my blog, that after certain tallness is meh, due to the strain in the neck having to look up, more of a male on male fantasy this overly tall dudes...

 

[RisingCane]

So I live in Miami and know a few somewhat close to that King guy. The reality is that a lot of the women on that video, from what they say, are paid actresses. It is common for guys in Miami to pay women for preselection. In fact, a famous PUA Coach I knew paid women to hang out with students for preselection at The Wharf. Don't fall for it. I have seen King approach IRL before and get ignored by women who were more random and didn't know who he was, including an Asian girl who screamed and almost ran away.

King and other influencers like him, from what many have said, pay OnlyFans girls and other girls to be in their videos and act a certain way. This is also true for that one tall black dude who is always interviewing women in Brickell. Lots of smoke and mirrors behind all of this. It can get to your head if you live in Miami but a lot of this stuff is fake.

From my own personal experience, a guy I gamed with was a Chad. Dark haired white dude who was 6'4 with blue eyes, chiseled face, and everything. When he went out, SOME women might be a bit receptive to him but he got blown out as much as me in some cases and when he did not move the interaction forward, girls lost interest fast.

 

[RisingCane]

FWIW, I have been that guy who did clean up without doing Game and the reality is, women pick up on your vibe and intentions rather fast. Most PUA and Game Guys I have gone out with are desperate. Desperate to do that approach. Desperate to make that close. Desperate to run that routine and women pick up on it. I think @Chase had a great article on the PUA vs Natural that I read a while back that sort of highlighted this.

When I did more natural type of Game and was more there to have fun and let things happen, I had a number of women being nicer to me and some that wanted to smash. FWIW, I am 5'11.

It is hard to get this across to some aspie Game guy who just approaches and runs routines all day or reads PUA/Black Pill/Red Pill stuff on the internet all day. Women pick up on state and energy. A lot of these Chads and Naturals have that on lock even though their tactics might not be the best.

Women can detect when some guy is an Aspie PUA guy who knows all the tactics versus a guy being a chill natural who is fun to hang out with. It is like women can almost tap into your subconscious and their intuition lets them feel your vibe. Sadly, most guys in the Game community are lacking here. They can know all the lines, objection handling, and whatever, but they lack in state.

They are not fun guys to be around. You can't introduce them to friends. They are so deep into Game tactics that they cannot be normal people. Their vibe is "off".

Meanwhile, a lot of Naturals are happy people who are fun to be around, do not complicate Game, and they get results.

A few weeks ago, I got 3 lays one week in Miami. All by switching off the whole PUA stuff.

 

[RisingCane]

Funny that Good Looking Loser aka Chris got mentioned in this thread. It was actually found towards the latter end of his PUA career that the dude did a Pickup Video where the women in it were paid models. That led to Sonny Arvado hating his guts and the two no longer being friends.

Goes back to what I am saying, you all cannot take these pickup videos too seriously. A lot of times, it is staged stuff here in Miami. I saw one "dating coach" who was this tatted up Black guy almost hand a chick cash after she had been in his video, walked by them and she was demanding it too and he said "hold on ma I got you!". So much smoke and mirrors in Miami where all of these influencers are fighting for clout.

I've winged and Gamed with guys that are absolute models, including 2 who did model, and were society's version of handsome. In all cases, girls may have been nicer to them and heard them out longer but the IOIs were rarely that forward. They might get drunk girls who were uglier jump on them but with hot girls? Almost never.

To any of you reading, take all of these videos done in Miami with a grain of salt. These influencers are paying women to act a certain way in the video. I've talked to women who have said they make money from just acting for the streamers and influencers here.

 

[Mr Mistah]

Ah. Great conversation.

My takeaways so far:

1. Max out fundamentals to a T and understand that this doesn't come easy. Takes work.

To get extraordinary reactions from girls from the onset you need extraordinary fundamentals.

Side Note:

The average guy dresses basic.

So in my mind, prior to this conversation, the prescriptions given here on fundamentals was to at least try and bw above average.

Above average dressing, above average body language, above average conversation skills etc.

Didn't think I needed nuclear grade fundamentals in the rank of Hollywood A-list actors and big shot male IG influencers & models

We live and we learn.

2. Vibe is intangible but it is a crucial elemnt of improving fundamentals.

Beyond dress, body language, tone etc work on vibe

Less straightforward and less intuitive than the rest.

Crucial nonetheles

Something something inner work, something something mindset

3. Don't believe everything you see on the internet?

Seems like consensus is that King fakes his interactions.

Or is riding on the "spotlight" effect from the cameras following him around to get the kind of reception he gets.

I hear you but i'm honestly not fully sold on this one yet.

Some expressions and reactions are simply impossible to fake no matter how good of an actress you are.

And the camera angles in some of the videos dont make sense.

Why is the cameraman holding the camera at hip level?

Or are they a midget?

Idk man that camera placement is hella sus. GIves off hidden camera

But I digress...

Those are my takeaways from this conversation

 

[Skills]

Funny that Good Looking Loser aka Chris got mentioned in this thread. It was actually found towards the latter end of his PUA career that the dude did a Pickup Video where the women in it were paid models. That led to Sonny Arvado hating his guts and the two no longer being friends.

Goes back to what I am saying, you all cannot take these pickup videos too seriously. A lot of times, it is staged stuff here in Miami. I saw one "dating coach" who was this tatted up Black guy almost hand a chick cash after she had been in his video, walked by them and she was demanding it too and he said "hold on ma I got you!". So much smoke and mirrors in Miami where all of these influencers are fighting for clout.

I've winged and Gamed with guys that are absolute models, including 2 who did model, and were society's version of handsome. In all cases, girls may have been nicer to them and heard them out longer but the IOIs were rarely that forward. They might get drunk girls who were uglier jump on them but with hot girls? Almost never.

To any of you reading, take all of these videos done in Miami with a grain of salt. These influencers are paying women to act a certain way in the video. I've talked to women who have said they make money from just acting for the streamers and influencers here.

You were not there when i had to fight a bunch of people saying it was legit... I knew right away it was fake, his last video...